Nanci Kuykendall

>We all jumped ship and followed Sandra here during a
>particularly exasperating time at unschooling.com

Yeah I remember that. I was sooooo ready to leave and
was only staying for the "good folks" on the list.
Hey somebody's had to defend Sandra! When they all
came here, it was a no brainer! I never went back to
the "other" list.

Nanci K.

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Sometimes this list is very quiet for days. Sometimes "quiet for days" is
pretty cool!

But for people really looking for unschooling information, quiet can be
boring. So for newer people here, especially if this is your primary
unschooling source, I'd like to recommend these places if you want more
lively or more basic information:

http://sandradodd.com/unschooling

http://www.unschooling.com


Thanks!

Sandra

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Was it on this list that someone had cited a publishing company in Boulder
and said they might be a good match for me?

I thought I'd just find that easily, but it seems to be gone from the mail
box, darn it.

What book was that about, and what was the publisher? Anyone know? I don't
even remember the topic anymore at all, or who was writing. And now it's
getting really close to time to leave for Saskatoon and I'm getting nervous
and scattery.

Sandra

Kelly Grimes

--- Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@...> wrote:
> >We all jumped ship and followed Sandra here during
> a
> >particularly exasperating time at unschooling.com
>
> Yeah I remember that. I was sooooo ready to leave
> and
> was only staying for the "good folks" on the list.
> Hey somebody's had to defend Sandra! When they all
> came here, it was a no brainer! I never went back
> to
> the "other" list.
>
> Nanci K.
I just recently had joined both lists and I quickly
left unschooling.com. I found them very limited in
"free thinking" .

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PHOENIX
& TIA

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I went on the other list.Lasted a day.Smiles

Carolyn Begley
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Todd Tyrtle

Hey!

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 spiritmesa2@... wrote:

> I went on the other list.Lasted a day.Smiles

Wow - that's about all I lasted as well. Not my thing, for sure.

-Todd
who at Sandra's suggestion visited the Soda Dam this past weekend and had
a great time of it but didn't find any hot springs like he'd hoped but
instead wound up with his son and mother in law climbing the
mountain near Battleship Rock. Next time I'm leaving earlier (so we can
look around more), and preparing better bringing a GPS with hot springs
coordinates.

Oh - and that reminds me - we just got the GPS last weekend and had a ball
doing geocaching (www.geocaching.com). Anyone here tried this?

Tia Leschke

> I just recently had joined both lists and I quickly
> left unschooling.com. I found them very limited in
> "free thinking" .

I hang in there because I'm still learning a lot from all the arguments. I
don't even try to actually keep up with it, though.
Tia

Tia Leschke

> Was it on this list that someone had cited a publishing company in Boulder
> and said they might be a good match for me?

I don't remember, but I've got CRS syndrome (can't remember shit).
>
> What book was that about, and what was the publisher? Anyone know? I
don't
> even remember the topic anymore at all, or who was writing. And now
it's
> getting really close to time to leave for Saskatoon and I'm getting
nervous
> and scattery.

You'll do fine. When do you leave?

I leave Wednesday to drive down to Washington, grab my mother, and take her
to a geriatric psych ward for an evaluation. Her dementia is getting worse
fast, and she's started hitting people where she lives. The owner of the
assisted care home where she's been living knows less about senile dementia
than I learned in about an hour on the net . . . sigh. I *hate* private,
for-profit medical care. It's all about money and the possibility of
lawsuits, not the people.
Tia

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In a message dated 2/24/03 7:34:18 PM, todd@... writes:

<< didn't find any hot springs like he'd hoped but >>

They're not marked. It's off the road to the right/east a fair way, 1/3 of a
mile I think?

Used to be you couldn't go up there without seeing nekkid hippies. I only
went once. I'm pretty lazy and the idea of getting wet and warm and then
hiking BACK through the dirt is way unappealing to me.

Once I heard they had closed that one spring for being unsanitary, and I
don't know where any others are. It might not still be closed. It doesn't
take long for a spring to sanitize itself, I figure.

Sandra

marji

{{{{{{{Tia}}}}}}}} I hope all goes well with you and your mom. What a
drag. I'm thinking of you.

Marji

>I leave Wednesday to drive down to Washington, grab my mother, and take her
>to a geriatric psych ward for an evaluation. Her dementia is getting worse
>fast, and she's started hitting people where she lives. The owner of the
>assisted care home where she's been living knows less about senile dementia
>than I learned in about an hour on the net . . . sigh. I *hate* private,
>for-profit medical care. It's all about money and the possibility of
>lawsuits, not the people.
>Tia



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Peggy

> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:21:35 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...

>
> Was it on this list that someone had cited a publishing company in Boulder
> and said they might be a good match for me?
>
> I thought I'd just find that easily, but it seems to be gone from the mail
> box, darn it.
>
> What book was that about, and what was the publisher? Anyone know? I don't
> even remember the topic anymore at all, or who was writing. And now it's
> getting really close to time to leave for Saskatoon and I'm getting nervous
> and scattery.
>
> Sandra

That was me, Peggy. Good luck in Saskatoon. Dress warm. ;)

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>
>
> You'll do fine. When do you leave?
>
> I leave Wednesday to drive down to Washington, grab my mother, and take her
> to a geriatric psych ward for an evaluation. Her dementia is getting worse
> fast, and she's started hitting people where she lives. The owner of the
> assisted care home where she's been living knows less about senile dementia
> than I learned in about an hour on the net . . . sigh. I *hate* private,
> for-profit medical care. It's all about money and the possibility of
> lawsuits, not the people.
> Tia

Good luck on your trip too Tia. Not easy to find solutions. Maybe Dar
would have some good suggestions for working your way through the psych
evaluation system.

If you think private for-profit medical care is scary I just read a book
on mental illness in the US Prison System and the for-profit prison
systems moving in there is absolutely horrifying.

_Prison madness : the mental health crisis behind bars and what we must
do about it_ by Terry A. Kupers ; forward by Hans Toch.

Peggy

Tia Leschke

>
> Good luck on your trip too Tia. Not easy to find solutions. Maybe Dar
> would have some good suggestions for working your way through the psych
> evaluation system.
>
> If you think private for-profit medical care is scary I just read a book
> on mental illness in the US Prison System and the for-profit prison
> systems moving in there is absolutely horrifying.

Yikes! A really scary thought. Once again, I'm glad I live where I do,
warts and all.
Tia

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Thank you VERY much!!!!

Thanks, Peggy, for telling me the first time when I though "aw, shucks, I'm
too perfectionist and they wouldn't want me anyway" and again when my husband
reminded me again that I'm really supposed to be finding a publisher.

Thanks. Twice.

Sandra

[email protected]

Thank you VERY much!!!!

Thanks, Peggy, for telling me the first time when I though "aw, shucks, I'm
too perfectionist and they wouldn't want me anyway" and again when my husband
reminded me again that I'm really supposed to be finding a publisher.

Thanks. Twice.

Sandra

Kelly Grimes

{{{{{Tia}}}
I am having a similar problem with my Mom, although
not as severe, My thoughts are with you...

> >I leave Wednesday to drive down to Washington, grab
> my mother, and take her
> >to a geriatric psych ward for an evaluation. Her
> dementia is getting worse
> >fast, and she's started hitting people where she
> lives. The owner of the
> >assisted care home where she's been living knows
> less about senile dementia
> >than I learned in about an hour on the net . . .
> sigh. I *hate* private,
> >for-profit medical care. It's all about money and
> the possibility of
> >lawsuits, not the people.
> >Tia
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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PHOENIX
& TIA

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Don't get me started Heidi (LOL).... Here's a copy of the letter I send to
the Editor in response to the article that was posted here earlier and
appeared in the Arizona Daily Star. I'm afraid once I say something I don't
stop... but maybe it would be a good idea to say something on that
unschooling list.

Holding parents to the same standards that apply to public schools,
especially when it comes to student achievement testing is not logical. If
schools are failing to meet "testing guidelines" is there a suggestion that
we as home-schooling parents lower our children to the level of those that
go to schools that are failing? How is that beneficial to our children?

Testing is about proving that teachers are actually working, when in fact if
the results are so bad why aren't we firing all these teachers because they
are obviously not doing their job. As parents we don't have to prove
anything to anyone. We are not paid to teach our children and they learn
anyway. Teachers want to teach but with all the bureaucratic rubbish they
have to handle and the "problem children" they have to deal with when do
they find time to teach.

Schools don't teach children what they need to know in the "real" world. In
the "real" world we need to know how to be in healthy, appropriate
relationships with people of all ages. Does school teach that? No it
teaches children that it's important to do what others do, whether that is
bullying other children verbally or physically or looking down on others who
are not willing to be in a popularity contest. It keeps all children of the
same age together, thereby not allowing children to experience what it's
like in the "real" world to have friends of a variety of ages. Last time I
checked with my 5 closest friends they ranged in age from 26 - 54 and I'm
43. In school I would never have known these people.

When checking with universities such as Harvard and Stanford I have read
they prefer children who've been home-schooled, saying "these kids are so
much more self directed and pay little to no attention to the peer pressure
the regularly schooled kids do"

For many people the "real" world does not consist of 1 brick building
complex that we spend all day in. For those of us that have chosen
self-employment, which is rising by leaps and bounds each year, we spend our
time moving from house to store to outside to be with our children, to
museums, to meetings with others. Very different from how most of us spent
our childhood.

Whenever I read an article in the Arizona Daily Star about home-schooling,
religion is invariably mentioned. What about those of us that home-school
our children because we don't want our children to be locked up in a room of
30 kids all day, being force fed information they may or may not need in
their lifetime. What about those of us that believe children, as adults do,
learn what they want to learn when they want to learn it and are quite
capable of asking for help when needed. What about those of us that are
willing to spend time with our children to help them discover and support
those subjects they love. What about those us that want our children to
grow and learn at their own pace and not be compared to anyone else

Why is it that the Arizona Daily Star has a business expert writing business
columns, a gardening expert writing gardening information but the person who
writes articles about home-schooling has neither been home-schooled
themselves nor home-schools their own children? (Jennifer doesn't actually
have any children come to that) Doesn't it make more sense to have someone
who has first hand knowledge of home-schooling write about the issue? Or,
is there a fear that the person writing might have more positive ideas and
thoughts to convey about home-schooling, thereby making parents and others
question the veracity of the educational system in this country and the
choices they are making as parents.


Message: 24
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:43:04 -0800
From: Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema <heidi@...>
Subject: Re: This list
>
> It actually annoys me to be on an unschooling
>list and then hear people talking about how many worksheets they are
>giving

Have you considered posting and expressing that annoyance? Shake 'em up a
little?
Heidi

Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema

Rock on, Dawn. Rock ON!
Heidi