Karin

All right, I guess I have to watch it AGAIN and pay closer attention to that scene!
I musta missed that part.
Chosen one for what? Who would Anakin be compared to in the great scheme of "things", if anyone?

Karin
who loves a good Star Wars discussion


>
> >LOL Mary! That has bugged me too, since we saw episode I.
> >Who IS Anakin's father? I bet whoever it was gave him all those
> >midi-chlorians. :-)
>
> I think the implication is that he is the chosen one. In fact, they may even
> use those words. I can't remember. i just remember it being very
> allegorical.
>

I thought Anakin's mother made it clear that she hadn't "been with"
anyone when Anakin was conceived. We got the movie on DVD last week.
I think it's time to watch it again!

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>>All right, I guess I have to watch it AGAIN and pay closer attention to
>>that scene! I musta missed that part.
Chosen one for what?<<

They discuss whether he was the one who had been prophesied. The one who
would bring balance to the force. Kind of like a savior?

>>Who would Anakin be compared to in the great scheme of "things", if
>>anyone?<<

I was thinking Jesus. I don't know how it will play out though, since we
know Anakin goes to the dark side , and I kinda don't picture Jesus that
way. ;-) Any other thoughts out there?

~Mary


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> I was thinking Jesus. I don't know how it will play out though,
> since we
> know Anakin goes to the dark side , and I kinda don't picture Jesus
> that
> way. ;-) Any other thoughts out there?
>
> ~Mary


The Last Temptation of Christ? Ok, maybe that wasn't the dark side, just
the seedy side.

Deb L

Karin

Of course! Chosen one to bring balance to the force. It's all coming back to me now. And in a way, Anakin was a vital piece of the puzzle to bring balance, being Luke's father, the real chosen one. (right?)
I think it's time for another Star Wars marathon - it's been too long. :-D

Karin




>>All right, I guess I have to watch it AGAIN and pay closer attention to
>>that scene! I musta missed that part.
Chosen one for what?<<

They discuss whether he was the one who had been prophesied. The one who
would bring balance to the force. Kind of like a savior?

>>Who would Anakin be compared to in the great scheme of "things", if
>>anyone?<<

I was thinking Jesus. I don't know how it will play out though, since we
know Anakin goes to the dark side , and I kinda don't picture Jesus that
way. ;-) Any other thoughts out there?

~Mary


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In a message dated 12/20/01 2:39:30 PM, zenmomma@... writes:

<< I was thinking Jesus. I don't know how it will play out though, since we
know Anakin goes to the dark side , and I kinda don't picture Jesus that
way. ;-) Any other thoughts out there? >>

With five more movies to go (if they live that long) it could be all kinds of
things.

Maybe to be the father of Luke.

Maybe Luke needs to be a product of two immaculate conceptions!

Sharon Rudd

> I thought Anakin's mother made it clear that she
> hadn't "been with"
> anyone when Anakin was conceived. We got the
> movie on DVD last week.


Nope. She merely says "I carried him. I gave birth to
him (or bore him, I don't remember which). " She
doesn't refer to the circumstances of his conception.
Being a slave, she may prefer not to describe such a
(probably) non-immaculate experience. I haven't read
the books. Dunno if there is more information there.
The movies don't provide a religious experience for
me.

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zenmomma *

> > I thought Anakin's mother made it clear that she
> > hadn't "been with"
> > anyone when Anakin was conceived.
>>
>Nope. She merely says "I carried him. I gave birth to
>him (or bore him, I don't remember which). " She
>doesn't refer to the circumstances of his conception.
>Being a slave, she may prefer not to describe such a
>(probably) non-immaculate experience. I haven't read
>the books. Dunno if there is more information there.
>The movies don't provide a religious experience for
>me.


I was looking for the exact dialogue where she reveals the birth to be an
immaculate conception. It's in there, but I couldn't find the text online.
However, I did come across a site called Christian Analysis of American
Culture (CAP). Here's part of their analysis of Episode 1:

"The matters incorporated into Offense to God, including issues of
counterfeiting and mockery of the Scriptures, were unfortunately
quite serious. Among other issues, the script presented a claim of Anakin
being a virgin birth thus equating him with Jesus, multiple
implications of the "will of the force" being equatable to the Will of God
and His Control, foreseeing into the future, and calling Anakin
"the chosen one" to bring reconciliation of the universal forces of good and
evil, again equating Anakin with Jesus."

<snip>

"Except for the matters of unholiness, the ignominy in the movie should
clearly be fantasy to the young and impressionable and should
thus be easily redirected by caring, *participative* parents. If you do go,
please talk it over with your kids, ESPECIALLY about the
unholiness."

I guess they seemed to fear it would be a religious experience for some. ;-)

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Anakin was the chosen one, not Luke. As Vader, Anakin
kills the Emperor, and from that the balance comes.

Kitrina


--- Karin <curtkar@...> wrote:
> Of course! Chosen one to bring balance to the force.
> It's all coming back to me now. And in a way, Anakin
> was a vital piece of the puzzle to bring balance,
> being Luke's father, the real chosen one. (right?)
> I think it's time for another Star Wars marathon -
> it's been too long. :-D
>
> Karin


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Karin

You're right about Anakin killing the emperor.
But for some reason, in my mind Luke is the hero.
Maybe it's the crush I had on Mark Hamill from so long ago. :-)

Karin



Earth Witch wrote:

Anakin was the chosen one, not Luke. As Vader, Anakin
kills the Emperor, and from that the balance comes.

Kitrina


--- Karin <curtkar@...> wrote:
> Of course! Chosen one to bring balance to the force.
> It's all coming back to me now. And in a way, Anakin
> was a vital piece of the puzzle to bring balance,
> being Luke's father, the real chosen one. (right?)
> I think it's time for another Star Wars marathon -
> it's been too long. :-D
>
> Karin


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Earth Witch

He was my favorite too. Although Ewan McGregor as Obi
Wan would be a close second.

Kitrina

--- Karin <curtkar@...> wrote:
> You're right about Anakin killing the emperor.
> But for some reason, in my mind Luke is the hero.
> Maybe it's the crush I had on Mark Hamill from so
> long ago. :-)
>
> Karin
>


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on 12/20/01 7:40 PM, Sharon Rudd at bearspawprint@... wrote:

> Nope. She merely says "I carried him. I gave birth to
> him (or bore him, I don't remember which). " She
> doesn't refer to the circumstances of his conception.

Actually she does:

Qui-Gon Jinn: Who was his father?

Shmi Skywalker : There was no father. I carried him. I gave birth. I raised
him. I can't explain what happened.

Joyce


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In a message dated 12/22/01 4:02:37 PM Mountain Standard Time,
fetteroll@... writes:


> Shmi Skywalker : There was no father. I carried him. I gave birth. I raised
> him. I can't explain what happened.
>

Maybe a Jedi frat party and she had something slipped into her drink.


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Nanci Kuykendall

Anakin is the one who eventually kills Palpatine, as
we all know, throwing him down the huge shaft in the
Death Star just before the Emperor has the chance to
finish off his son Luke, and so returns to the light
side by the monumental task of slaying his master.
Which is why he is redeemed and appears in spirit form
with Obie Wan and Yoda at the final celebration scene
at the ewok village.

Prior to that he does track down and destroy all the
Jedi save Yoda and Obie Wan during the clone wars, due
to his burning anger and hatred from being enslaved
among other things, and his lust for power and control
in and of his life, which Palpatine capitalizes on to
bring him to the dark side. But that, as they say, is
another story. Perhaps the balance is wrought by
destroying the strength of the light side and THEN
destroying the strength of the dark side in turn,
bringing both low, but in balance.

Nanci K.

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All this is true, but would Anakin have done all this had it not been for Luke in the first place?
I believe Luke helped Anakin finally go to the light side, and Anakin would have stayed Darth Vader if Luke had not come into his life. Guess I'm just saying, give poor Luke some credit! <g>

Karin



Nanci Kuykendall wrote:


Anakin is the one who eventually kills Palpatine, as
we all know, throwing him down the huge shaft in the
Death Star just before the Emperor has the chance to
finish off his son Luke, and so returns to the light
side by the monumental task of slaying his master.
Which is why he is redeemed and appears in spirit form
with Obie Wan and Yoda at the final celebration scene
at the ewok village.

Prior to that he does track down and destroy all the
Jedi save Yoda and Obie Wan during the clone wars, due
to his burning anger and hatred from being enslaved
among other things, and his lust for power and control
in and of his life, which Palpatine capitalizes on to
bring him to the dark side. But that, as they say, is
another story. Perhaps the balance is wrought by
destroying the strength of the light side and THEN
destroying the strength of the dark side in turn,
bringing both low, but in balance.

Nanci K.


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