tessimal

Dec 05, 2002 17:41 PST
Ivan Illich died this week, at the age of 74.
http://www.austin360.com/aas/news/ap/ap_story.html/Intl/AP.V8504.AP-
Obit-Illich.html

Illich was involved in early education reform, author of The
Deschooling Society that influenced the thinking of John Holt, John
Taylor Gatto and many others, and had some thought provoking ideas
about health care and other social issues.

Ivan Illich on Schools:

"Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what
the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and
substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the
more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation
leads to success. The pupil is thereby "schooled" to confuse teaching
with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with
competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His
imagination is "schooled" to accept service in place of value.
Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the
improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military
poise for national security, the rat race for productive work.
Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavour are
defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which
claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on
allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools,
and other agencies in question."

Ivan Illich - Deschooling Society (1973: 9)

Read more about Illich at these websites:
http://philosophy.la.psu.edu/illich/deschool/intro.html
http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ira/illich/
http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-illic.htm
http://philosophy.la.psu.edu/illich/profile.html

"To deschool means to abolish the power of one person
to oblige another person to attend a meeting." - Ivan Illich

Norma
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SosinkyHS

Lucie Caunter

So Sad. Before I even knew of home education, John Holt and GWS, I
read The Deschooling Society (life way before children). I feel I am
mourning a friend. He touched people all over the world.
Friendship
Lucie

tessimal wrote:

>Dec 05, 2002 17:41 PST
>Ivan Illich died this week, at the age of 74.
>http://www.austin360.com/aas/news/ap/ap_story.html/Intl/AP.V8504.AP-
>Obit-Illich.html
>
>Illich was involved in early education reform, author of The
>Deschooling Society that influenced the thinking of John Holt, John
>Taylor Gatto and many others, and had some thought provoking ideas
>about health care and other social issues.
>
>Ivan Illich on Schools:
>
>"Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what
>the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and
>substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the
>more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation
>leads to success. The pupil is thereby "schooled" to confuse teaching
>with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with
>competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His
>imagination is "schooled" to accept service in place of value.
>Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the
>improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military
>poise for national security, the rat race for productive work.
>Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavour are
>defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which
>claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on
>allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools,
>and other agencies in question."
>
>Ivan Illich - Deschooling Society (1973: 9)
>
>Read more about Illich at these websites:
>http://philosophy.la.psu.edu/illich/deschool/intro.html
>http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ira/illich/
>http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-illic.htm
>http://philosophy.la.psu.edu/illich/profile.html
>
>"To deschool means to abolish the power of one person
>to oblige another person to attend a meeting." - Ivan Illich
>
>Norma
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SosinkyHS
>
>
>
>
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Kate Green

Wow this is spooky. Just this morning I was reading A Gentle Birth and
there was a reference to Illich that I hadn't heard of (he wrote a
medical/birth book). I stuck the book on the computer meaning to search for
the book later today and now this email!

His was one of the first books along with Holts that I read years ago on
this quest.

Kate



At 12:43 PM 12/6/02 +0000, you wrote:
> Dec 05, 2002 17:41 PST
> Ivan Illich died this week, at the age of 74.
> http://www.austin360.com/aas/news/ap/ap_story.html/Intl/AP.V8504.AP-
> Obit-Illich.html
>
> Illich was involved in early education reform, author of The
> Deschooling Society that influenced the thinking of John Holt, John
> Taylor Gatto and many others, and had some thought provoking ideas
> about health care and other social issues.
>
> Ivan Illich on Schools:
>
>"Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what
> the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and
> substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the
> more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation
>"" to confuse teaching
> with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with
> competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His
>"" to accept service in place of value.
> Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the
> improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military
> poise for national security, the rat race for productive work.
> Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavour are
> defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which
> claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on
> allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools,
>"
>
> Ivan Illich - Deschooling Society (1973: 9)
>
> Read more about Illich at these websites:
> http://philosophy.la.psu.edu/illich/deschool/intro.html
> http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ira/illich/
> http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-illic.htm
> http://philosophy.la.psu.edu/illich/profile.html
>
>"To deschool means to abolish the power of one person
>" - Ivan Illich
>
> Norma
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SosinkyHS
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [email protected]
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.