Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: transubstantiation...was Christian Unschooling
Joseph Fuerst
pam, here's what the catholic catechism Catechism says:
The Eucharistic prescence of Christ begins at the moment of the
consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species persist.
Christ is present whole and entire in each of the species and in each of
their parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide
Christ.
me: the consecration occurs during the eucharistic prayer. When I was a
child, a server jingled some bells after the words of consecration were
spoken. During the prayer, Jesus last supper is remembered and the priest
uses the words, "This is my body " and "This is my blood." - this is WHEN.
At the council of Trent, it was the chusrch theologians agreed that the in
the sacrament of the Eucharist, " the body and blood, together with the soul
and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole of Christ
is truly, really, and substantially contained." "This presence is also
called 'real' - by which it is not intended to exclude the other types of
presence as if they could not be 'real' too, but because it is presence in
the fullest sense."
As to HOW it is changed (in case you're wondering :-) ), St John Chrysostom
declares:
It is not man that cause the things offered to become the Body and Blood
of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself. The priest,
in the role of Christ, pronounce these words, but their power and grace are
God's. This is my body, he says. This word transforms the things offered."
The Eucharistic prescence of Christ begins at the moment of the
consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species persist.
Christ is present whole and entire in each of the species and in each of
their parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide
Christ.
me: the consecration occurs during the eucharistic prayer. When I was a
child, a server jingled some bells after the words of consecration were
spoken. During the prayer, Jesus last supper is remembered and the priest
uses the words, "This is my body " and "This is my blood." - this is WHEN.
At the council of Trent, it was the chusrch theologians agreed that the in
the sacrament of the Eucharist, " the body and blood, together with the soul
and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole of Christ
is truly, really, and substantially contained." "This presence is also
called 'real' - by which it is not intended to exclude the other types of
presence as if they could not be 'real' too, but because it is presence in
the fullest sense."
As to HOW it is changed (in case you're wondering :-) ), St John Chrysostom
declares:
It is not man that cause the things offered to become the Body and Blood
of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself. The priest,
in the role of Christ, pronounce these words, but their power and grace are
God's. This is my body, he says. This word transforms the things offered."
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Christian Unschooling
> In a message dated 12/19/2001 1:34:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> fuerst@... writes:
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> > Catholic theology does teach in transubstantiation (i.e., during Mass
one
> > actually the bread and wine actually become the blood and body of
Christ).
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> I've always wondered exactly WHEN does this switch happen? I mean - if
> someone stopped just short of swallowing the bread and wine, would it then
be
> blood and flesh? Or does it change after it is swallowed? Or ??
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The Mowery Family
Oh man, I am having _Angela's Ashes_ flashbacks. Remember when Frank had
his first communion and then got sick in his grandmothers backyard and she
sends him back to the priest to confess that he had thrown up Jesus all over
her yard.
Sorry, a little catholic humor moment. By the by, I am gleaning more from
this thread than I ever had in all my years of catechism. When I used to
asked questions my father and others regarding stuff like this I got the old
standby, "because of faith and we believe it is happening". I always
considered it to be a little catholic magic.
Karen M.
(I want a snappy nickname too <g>, maybe I should go back to sistakammi like
the old aohell days)
his first communion and then got sick in his grandmothers backyard and she
sends him back to the priest to confess that he had thrown up Jesus all over
her yard.
Sorry, a little catholic humor moment. By the by, I am gleaning more from
this thread than I ever had in all my years of catechism. When I used to
asked questions my father and others regarding stuff like this I got the old
standby, "because of faith and we believe it is happening". I always
considered it to be a little catholic magic.
Karen M.
(I want a snappy nickname too <g>, maybe I should go back to sistakammi like
the old aohell days)
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zenmomma *
>>Oh man, I am having _Angela's Ashes_ flashbacks. Remember when Frank hadLOL! Yes! I love that book. The language and the humor and the voice of the
>his first communion and then got sick in his grandmothers backyard and she
>sends him back to the priest to confess that he had thrown up Jesus all
>over
>her yard.<<
little boy. Magic. (And, of course, tragic at the same time.) My husband and
I find ourselves using phrases from that book all the time. "Ahhh, he's got
Protestant hair."
~Mary
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