Unschoolers and Spanking





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How Ang's family stopped spanking, in April 2003

Ren, whose parents spanked but begged her not to

Sandra swatting little Marty and being shown a better way

Carla, stopped spanking after reading the unschooling discussions

Teens, and how experience colors reactions to spanking

What Unschooled Kids Say about Spanking

Debbie, Mother of Four, Never Spanked 

Spanking Makes Kids Lie

Nancy used to spank,
but she stopped!

Why Do People Spank?

Spare the Hot-Sauce...
"Hot saucing" and other Christian punishments

Others asked MaryB
"How do you Do It?"

Who Really Teaches People to Spank?

Overcoming Pressure to Spank

"Spare the rod and spoil the child" is not in the Bible

Help to Stop Spanking
other sites/encouragement

Comments and a link, about laws and Christian "smacking" in New Zealand

Dr. Sears' 10 Reasons Not to Hit Your Child

Europeans say:
"Raise your hand against smacking."


RESOURCES for moms who need help:
Help for Parents. Hope for Kids.
MAINSTREAM, powerful and brief:
Why Does Everyone Pretend There's A 'Spanking Debate'? By Lisa Belkin, Huffington Post, July 9, 2012


I spanked until Simon was 5 and Linnaea was 2. Spanking was all about my way and my frustration and my inability to seek out a different way. It was amazing when I stopped. It was hard not to turn to the quick solution that never solved anything and left everyone upset, me included, me, maybe the most. But it was amazing to have to expand into the vacuum left by not having that blunt tool in my toolbox. Both Simon and Linnaea grew to trust me. It took less time than I expected. They didn't want to think of me as a bad mom, it was easier to rewrite myself as a no-longer-hitting mom than I expected.
Schuyler Waynforth; part of a longer piece on learning to be calm, here

"Ren's right about the spanking. That's another argument I've never seen anybody win with unschoolers. But every time it comes up, it seems at least one family that isn't even involved in the argument ends up not spanking anymore. . . . . Because speaking of catching flies, that trap that's baited by someone else defending spanking their kids catches lurker-spankers, and a few children's lives are made way better as a side effect (and their children's too)."
Sandra Dodd, to the unschooling-dotcom list, February 2003

I am a reformed spanker, and reformed expecting immediate obedience from the children. Heck I don't even spank the dog! Since the very first when I started this list and reading, we have no more spanking, although a few times I threatened but I didn't carry it out because I knew I didn't want to spank them. Don't like it never did. Just didn't know another way. Now I do. Cool.
Stepheny

I'll admit it, we spanked. But with the thoughts and insights of the wonderful women on this list our home has been spank free. And I'll tell you, it's wonderful, to see joy, happiness, and love in my childrens eyes instead of fear, it's one of the best feelings in the world. (And to tell the truth, I hadn't even noticed the fear, until it was gone and I am sad that I was the one to put it there, but it is gone now and hopefully I will never have to see it again.)
Rebecca (elfmama)

Today the kids had an old Hanna-Barbera video of the creation story on. Jacob made a comment about Adam blaming Eve for his choice to eat the forbidden fruit. It was clear to Jacob that it was Adam's choice and he had no-one but himself to blame.

It hasn't been easy to change the way I parent and I have a long way to go and much to learn but today I could see that the kids are learning that with freedom of choice comes taking responsibility for your own decisions.

In all the years I spanked I wanted my kids to take responsibility for their actions and what I was doing, was making it impossible for them to do just that.

At first I felt like talking with them just wasn't enough, but I see now that it is because each time I respond calmly and encourage them to talk things through instead of spanking them, they have the freedom (because I'm not making them feel bad) to look at themselves and their actions and be responsible. It's awesome.

It reminds me of that John Holt quote about fear inhibiting learning. How can our kids learn about themselves and getting along with others if they are fearful of pain everytime they make a mistake? It's only when they have freedom to make mistakes that they learn. All I have to do is be there to guide and help and love.

It's so simple and uncomplicated. I just wish I had realized nine years ago. There wouldn't be so much to undo.

Julie (mjsolich...) June 2003

I usually just read everything and lurk in corners but I have to agree with the no spanking thread. Spanking is control, pure and simple. It's "I'm bigger and stronger than you and I can make you do whatever I want". If we hit an adult it's a punishable offense, people who beat animals are jailed, hitting a child is somehow excusable? I don't think so!

Hitting teaches the child that physical force is ok. How will you deal with your child when he hits another over a toy? YOU'VE taught him that behavior. How do you exlain to him that hitting is ok for you but if HE does it HE'LL get hit because it's unacceptable for him!

Everytime you resort to hitting you diminish the very essence of who your child is. Our children are not animals that need to be trained. Any parent who expects or demands complete obedience and uses spanking to attain that obedience needs to get a handle on their OWN emotions and feelings.

Beth

I'm going to say that I'm old - over 50 and have been very actively involved with many children and their families for many years - observing hundreds of children. Kids who are spanked are NOT better behaved than those who are not. And, yes, some who are NOT spanked are wild and undisciplined and a big nuisance to be around. ALL who are spanked are somewhat sneaky about their own misbehavior - I honestly have ONLY seen it work that way - physical punishments makes kids sneaky. Plus - many who are spanked are violent with other kids. Many kids who are never spanked, but are raised by very "present" parents who have pretty high expectations for kids to behave with integrity - are just amazingly kind and sweet and wonderful and a joy to interact with.

Point is: Spanking has HUGE risks. Spanking is not necessary. My mother and father were almost never spanked by their parents. My mother and father never spanked me. My husband and I have never spanked our kids.

It is possible. To hit children is, in my opinion, a sign of a lack of imagination and not knowing what else to do.

-pam

To anyone who thinks that it's a good idea to punish their children... Please keep reading and keep learning here. There ARE other ways (gentler, more loving and actually KIND ways!) to raise a child. I know what I'm talking about, because I'm writing about it from the recovery side... I used to spank, punish, and degrade my children on occasion before I found these Unschooling.com message boards. (before I really UNDERSTOOD unschooling, and before I really did my own soul-searching, that is...)

I seriously thought that I was doing the "right" thing by the way I was parenting-- but I can tell you-- I wasn't being the parent I wanted to be (in my heart), and my kids were NOT turning out to be the kids I that had hoped they would be.

It started changing (for the good) when I changed ME and the way *I* thought.

Now, my kids are SUPER kids! Because I treat them respectfully and equally- they are learning to BE respectful and well-behaved. They weren't so much before. As I look back, I can see how miserable they were. And deep down- I was, too. My heart aches now because I hurt them. I thought I was doing it for their own good, and for the sake of other's around-- but you know what??? I was doing it because I didn't know any other way to "control" them. But now I KNOW (I KNOW- I KNOW- I KNOW- with every fiber of my being) that I was wrong. Very wrong.

(Poohmom, 6/9/03
at www.unschooling.com
(discussion no longer available to link; sorry)



"Who would choose to parent in a manner that increases children’s depression,
lowers their self-esteem, and makes them less likely to succeed in life?
The answer is anyone who disciplines their children with spanking."

from Why Spanking Doesn't Work



If you wish to contribute to this site, send your story to Sandra@SandraDodd.com
To those who want to write and tell me this page is wrong:
While I'm glad this page touched you emotionally,
please keep your soul-searching justifications to yourself.
I've heard all the pro-spanking arguments before.

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