classroom wetting
Penn Acres
When I started grade one in an 8 grade-one room classroom we had , of course to hold up our hand to go to the outside bathroom. One day, early in the school year, I had to go and the teacher said "no, you can't. I sat and held my hand in the air for what seemed ages then put it down and sat miserably and then inevitably started to pee and I can still see it running in a stream across the old dusty wooden floor. Nothing too unusual about that however but I can honestly say that it seems that was the beginning of a huge all consuming resentment and rage towards teachers, schools, unfathonable adult rules and behaviour. I dont think I ever felt too intimidated by them but there was always this deep core of rage that stayed with me.
When stephanie would run to the house from the van, when she was 3 to 7 and wet her clothes before she got to the bathroom she would scram and roar with anger all the way. Sometimes it was not possible not too laugh, not where she could hear of course. Her annoyance and anger was so justified. I wonder how the kids who wet their pants in school when they really would like to just make a dash for the bathroom manage their anger and frustration.
but then I think I know.....
grace
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When stephanie would run to the house from the van, when she was 3 to 7 and wet her clothes before she got to the bathroom she would scram and roar with anger all the way. Sometimes it was not possible not too laugh, not where she could hear of course. Her annoyance and anger was so justified. I wonder how the kids who wet their pants in school when they really would like to just make a dash for the bathroom manage their anger and frustration.
but then I think I know.....
grace
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TreeGoddess
My sister is still angry at her 2nd grade teacher who denied her the
right to use the bathroom. Second day at a new school and she pees all
over her seat because the teacher was just "too busy" teaching to let a
little girl go use the toilet. Nice.
I, on the other hand, have frequently walked out of class without
permission to use the bathroom. I knew my mother would completely back
me up and rage at the teacher if they punished me for going to the
bathroom so I could do it without fear of punishment for disobeying the
teacher. Kudos to my mom for that.
-Tracy-
right to use the bathroom. Second day at a new school and she pees all
over her seat because the teacher was just "too busy" teaching to let a
little girl go use the toilet. Nice.
I, on the other hand, have frequently walked out of class without
permission to use the bathroom. I knew my mother would completely back
me up and rage at the teacher if they punished me for going to the
bathroom so I could do it without fear of punishment for disobeying the
teacher. Kudos to my mom for that.
-Tracy-
On Jan 1, 2004, at 6:24 PM, Penn Acres wrote:
> I wonder how the kids who wet their pants in school when they really
> would like to just make a dash for the bathroom manage their anger and
> frustration.
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In a message dated 1/1/04 6:36:57 PM, treegoddess@... writes:
<< My sister is still angry at her 2nd grade teacher who denied her the
right to use the bathroom. Second day at a new school and she pees all
over her seat because the teacher was just "too busy" teaching to let a
little girl go use the toilet. Nice. >>
I bet if we just collected a book-length set of the tales of kids who have
been made to urinate or defecate out of fear of the teacher we'd fill a book
without ever getting to the "I asked to go and she said no" and never NEVER get
to "I finally got to go to recess and didn't want to miss a minute of playing
to go pee so I went on the swing/slide accidentally."
Would anyone ever send their children to school again? Would teachers who
showed up in the tellings more than once need to have court-ordered parenting
classes or fine/jail time for child abuse?
It's horrible when these stories get rolling.
Yet from the teachers' point of view, I think all teachers know of kids who
said they needed to go but really wanted to go visiting, or to smoke, or to
vandalize some enemy's locker, or worse than any of that.
So the answer is: Keep your kids home if you can!
Tadaa! My kids can spend all the time in the bathroom they want now.
Sandra
<< My sister is still angry at her 2nd grade teacher who denied her the
right to use the bathroom. Second day at a new school and she pees all
over her seat because the teacher was just "too busy" teaching to let a
little girl go use the toilet. Nice. >>
I bet if we just collected a book-length set of the tales of kids who have
been made to urinate or defecate out of fear of the teacher we'd fill a book
without ever getting to the "I asked to go and she said no" and never NEVER get
to "I finally got to go to recess and didn't want to miss a minute of playing
to go pee so I went on the swing/slide accidentally."
Would anyone ever send their children to school again? Would teachers who
showed up in the tellings more than once need to have court-ordered parenting
classes or fine/jail time for child abuse?
It's horrible when these stories get rolling.
Yet from the teachers' point of view, I think all teachers know of kids who
said they needed to go but really wanted to go visiting, or to smoke, or to
vandalize some enemy's locker, or worse than any of that.
So the answer is: Keep your kids home if you can!
Tadaa! My kids can spend all the time in the bathroom they want now.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/1/2004 5:25:06 PM Central Standard Time,
pennacres@... writes:
I wonder how the kids who wet their pants in school when they really would
like to just make a dash for the bathroom manage their anger and frustration.
but then I think I know.....
~~~
When I was in first grade I had permission to go to the bathroom, but there
was this really interesting poem on the wall in the hall, printed out in large
first-grade letters, and it was really long and I had just learned to read and
I wanted to read it. So I stood there and read it while I held myself and
just as I got to the end of the poem, I couldn't hold it anymore and peed on the
floor just outside the classroom.
I wasn't embarrassed because the teacher is the only one who knew, and my mom
and the teacher and the office lady who called my mom all chuckled when I
told them I couldn't stand to just pass the poem by and couldn't read just part
of it. I knew I might not get to read it all if I left and came back because I
might get caught, so I went for it.
This is actually a good memory for me, because I can still recall the feeling
of reading something and not wanting to stop at any cost and how satisfying
it was when I did get to finish it. It was the first time that ever happened.
I don't recall any shame or rage growing at that point, but it did later,
over other things.
Tuck
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pennacres@... writes:
I wonder how the kids who wet their pants in school when they really would
like to just make a dash for the bathroom manage their anger and frustration.
but then I think I know.....
~~~
When I was in first grade I had permission to go to the bathroom, but there
was this really interesting poem on the wall in the hall, printed out in large
first-grade letters, and it was really long and I had just learned to read and
I wanted to read it. So I stood there and read it while I held myself and
just as I got to the end of the poem, I couldn't hold it anymore and peed on the
floor just outside the classroom.
I wasn't embarrassed because the teacher is the only one who knew, and my mom
and the teacher and the office lady who called my mom all chuckled when I
told them I couldn't stand to just pass the poem by and couldn't read just part
of it. I knew I might not get to read it all if I left and came back because I
might get caught, so I went for it.
This is actually a good memory for me, because I can still recall the feeling
of reading something and not wanting to stop at any cost and how satisfying
it was when I did get to finish it. It was the first time that ever happened.
I don't recall any shame or rage growing at that point, but it did later,
over other things.
Tuck
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In a message dated 1/2/04 7:37:37 AM, tuckervill2@... writes:
<< This is actually a good memory for me, because I can still recall the
feeling
of reading something and not wanting to stop at any cost and how satisfying
it was when I did get to finish it. >>
That's a cool reading story!
The last few times any of my kids wet themselves in the daytime, it was
always because they were involved in a game and didn't want to stop playing.
Luckily it was usually out in the yard, but those are pretty understandable kinds
of accidents, that they're so happy about what they're doing that they'll risk
missing a trip to the toilet to keep doing it.
Sandra
<< This is actually a good memory for me, because I can still recall the
feeling
of reading something and not wanting to stop at any cost and how satisfying
it was when I did get to finish it. >>
That's a cool reading story!
The last few times any of my kids wet themselves in the daytime, it was
always because they were involved in a game and didn't want to stop playing.
Luckily it was usually out in the yard, but those are pretty understandable kinds
of accidents, that they're so happy about what they're doing that they'll risk
missing a trip to the toilet to keep doing it.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/2/2004 10:21:45 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
The last few times any of my kids wet themselves in the daytime, it was
always because they were involved in a game and didn't want to stop playing.
Luckily it was usually out in the yard, but those are pretty understandable
kinds
of accidents, that they're so happy about what they're doing that they'll
risk
missing a trip to the toilet to keep doing it.
Sandra
~~~
My sons always had permission and encouragement to water a tree if they
needed to. As they got older they would learn when it was appropriate and how to
be discrete. Will had been caught a time or two in the front yard with cars
going by when he was littler, like 3 (and that's just darn cute). But now he
doesn't want anyone to see. That guy who someone posted about who pees outside
all the time, that's just unsanitary, and I would hate living by him, but I
understand it.
Some of my friends with little girls encourage them to "girl scout" it and
that's certainly helpful for camping and other outdoor things. Others of my
friends make a big deal about their girls having to use the bathroom AGAIN when
camping or whatever and that's just no fun to be around. I was raised where
you didn't go outside if you were a girl, and no one was supposed to know if the
boys peed outside. I'm as likely now to go behind a building rather than use
a nasty restroom, if necessary and doable. It's tricky but it can be done.
Tuck
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SandraDodd@... writes:
The last few times any of my kids wet themselves in the daytime, it was
always because they were involved in a game and didn't want to stop playing.
Luckily it was usually out in the yard, but those are pretty understandable
kinds
of accidents, that they're so happy about what they're doing that they'll
risk
missing a trip to the toilet to keep doing it.
Sandra
~~~
My sons always had permission and encouragement to water a tree if they
needed to. As they got older they would learn when it was appropriate and how to
be discrete. Will had been caught a time or two in the front yard with cars
going by when he was littler, like 3 (and that's just darn cute). But now he
doesn't want anyone to see. That guy who someone posted about who pees outside
all the time, that's just unsanitary, and I would hate living by him, but I
understand it.
Some of my friends with little girls encourage them to "girl scout" it and
that's certainly helpful for camping and other outdoor things. Others of my
friends make a big deal about their girls having to use the bathroom AGAIN when
camping or whatever and that's just no fun to be around. I was raised where
you didn't go outside if you were a girl, and no one was supposed to know if the
boys peed outside. I'm as likely now to go behind a building rather than use
a nasty restroom, if necessary and doable. It's tricky but it can be done.
Tuck
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gehrkes
Bonus of country living.. My boys and girls all know how to go
outside. When we travel to the city I am irritated by the process of
finding a potty and usually they are gross. The only accident my
little girl ever had was when the only option was an outhouse.. Yuck.
Kathleen
outside. When we travel to the city I am irritated by the process of
finding a potty and usually they are gross. The only accident my
little girl ever had was when the only option was an outhouse.. Yuck.
Kathleen
--- In [email protected], tuckervill2@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/2/2004 10:21:45 AM Central Standard Time,
> SandraDodd@a... writes:
> The last few times any of my kids wet themselves in the daytime,
it was
> always because they were involved in a game and didn't want to
stop playing.
> Luckily it was usually out in the yard, but those are pretty
understandable
> kinds
> of accidents, that they're so happy about what they're doing that
they'll
> risk
> missing a trip to the toilet to keep doing it.
>
> Sandra
>
> ~~~
>
> My sons always had permission and encouragement to water a tree if
they
> needed to. As they got older they would learn when it was
appropriate and how to
> be discrete. Will had been caught a time or two in the front yard
with cars
> going by when he was littler, like 3 (and that's just darn cute).
But now he
> doesn't want anyone to see. That guy who someone posted about who
pees outside
> all the time, that's just unsanitary, and I would hate living by
him, but I
> understand it.
>
> Some of my friends with little girls encourage them to "girl
scout" it and
> that's certainly helpful for camping and other outdoor things.
Others of my
> friends make a big deal about their girls having to use the
bathroom AGAIN when
> camping or whatever and that's just no fun to be around. I was
raised where
> you didn't go outside if you were a girl, and no one was supposed
to know if the
> boys peed outside. I'm as likely now to go behind a building
rather than use
> a nasty restroom, if necessary and doable. It's tricky but it can
be done.
>
> Tuck
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
J. Stauffer
<<<<< I was raised where
We hadn't been dating long (I was in college and he had already graduated)
and we were coming home from the beach down some rather isolated country
roads. I asked dh to pull over, hopped out of the truck, did my business
(discreetly, I thought) and hopped back in. You should have seen the size
of that city boy's eyeballs.
Julie S.
> you didn't go outside if you were a girl,>>>>Apparently my dh was raised somewhere near you <grin>.
We hadn't been dating long (I was in college and he had already graduated)
and we were coming home from the beach down some rather isolated country
roads. I asked dh to pull over, hopped out of the truck, did my business
(discreetly, I thought) and hopped back in. You should have seen the size
of that city boy's eyeballs.
Julie S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Goia Alverson" <beenardonat@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] classroom wetting
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> Some of my friends with little girls encourage them to "girl scout" it
and
> that's certainly helpful for camping and other outdoor things. Others of
my
> friends make a big deal about their girls having to use the bathroom AGAIN
when
> camping or whatever and that's just no fun to be around. and no one was
supposed to know if the
> boys peed outside. I'm as likely now to go behind a building rather than
use
> a nasty restroom, if necessary and doable. It's tricky but it can be
done.
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> We used the term "pop a squat" for peeing outside (girls, that is) I've
popped a squat many times when I had to, always discreetly, and only when it
was a necessity. I have 2 sisters, no brothers. We camped, played in the
woods, and also had a place on the lake with no indoor plumbing. My girls
have occasionally popped a squat in urgent situation.
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> Oh, btw, nice to meet you folks. My name is Goia, I have 5 children, ages
6-18. They were all unschooled. Only the two oldest went to public school
at all. One through the 2nd grade and one through Kindergarten. I feel
like in most situations and topics, I can say "been ther done that".. hence,
my yahoo ID. :-)
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> I've enjoyed reading posts. I have started to post responses several
times to different topics, but once I read through the thread, someone else
has said what I was going to say. I'll keep reading though, maybe something
besides popping a squat will come to me.
>
> Goia
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pam sorooshian
Hi Goia. Welcome!
-pam
-pam
On Jan 2, 2004, at 2:41 PM, Goia Alverson wrote:
> I'll keep reading though, maybe something besides popping a squat will
> come to me.