Swords
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In a message dated 2/10/01 8:42:57 PM, vlos@... writes:
<< (I take that back...I know someone who killed
someone else in self-defense, but it was with a sword.) >>
Aha! I'm glad someone else mentioned swords.
Gross-warning on the following:
We had a friend (Kirby's godfather) who collected Japanese swords and was a
black belt in some sort of sword martial arts thing, and taught. His
fantasies of protecting his family had to do with swords, and they were hung
available for real use (looked decorative, but guys' fantasies are often of a
practical nature).
A few years back he committed suicide. Alcohol was the big factor; he
couldn't kick drinking, and his wife was tired of it. But he used a gun, in
the shed. Some of his friends were disappointed in a perverse kind of way
that he didn't do the traditional Japanese thing, since he was capable and
had the equipment.
Because we're in a medeival studies group, most of my friends own real
swords. My husband has two or three. There's a claymore (someone else's)
downstairs at the moment. My husband's buying a sword next week for someone
who's being knighted--a gift and a part of the ceremony. There are swords
all around me, not usually sharpened, but still deadly. Nobody's gotten hurt
by them except one friend (with his own sword) in Dixon, New Mexico (a town
famous for apples) who was slicing apples in the air with a Japanese sword
for fun and accidently cut his own foot badly).
If you cut apples in the air (I have learned), here are some safety rules:
Keep both feet on the ground, and have someone else toss the apples. From a
distance twice as far as the length of the sword and your lunge reach.
Sandra
<< (I take that back...I know someone who killed
someone else in self-defense, but it was with a sword.) >>
Aha! I'm glad someone else mentioned swords.
Gross-warning on the following:
We had a friend (Kirby's godfather) who collected Japanese swords and was a
black belt in some sort of sword martial arts thing, and taught. His
fantasies of protecting his family had to do with swords, and they were hung
available for real use (looked decorative, but guys' fantasies are often of a
practical nature).
A few years back he committed suicide. Alcohol was the big factor; he
couldn't kick drinking, and his wife was tired of it. But he used a gun, in
the shed. Some of his friends were disappointed in a perverse kind of way
that he didn't do the traditional Japanese thing, since he was capable and
had the equipment.
Because we're in a medeival studies group, most of my friends own real
swords. My husband has two or three. There's a claymore (someone else's)
downstairs at the moment. My husband's buying a sword next week for someone
who's being knighted--a gift and a part of the ceremony. There are swords
all around me, not usually sharpened, but still deadly. Nobody's gotten hurt
by them except one friend (with his own sword) in Dixon, New Mexico (a town
famous for apples) who was slicing apples in the air with a Japanese sword
for fun and accidently cut his own foot badly).
If you cut apples in the air (I have learned), here are some safety rules:
Keep both feet on the ground, and have someone else toss the apples. From a
distance twice as far as the length of the sword and your lunge reach.
Sandra
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We have swords here too. Each of the kids have one but they do not use them.
They hang downstairs on the stone wall I built around our woodburner. The
kids like the way they look as decoration and I do too. The kids have wooden
swords they use in martial arts. They do use them. They also have fencing
foils and hope to take classes someday in fencing. I do not worry about the
kids sneaking around taking the real swords down to play with them. They are
not little kids for one and they are not sneaky for another. I think if there
was a medievil group around the kids would enjoy that too.
That is really to bad about your friend Sandra who commited suicide. Always
so sad. But I certainly understand why he did not pick the sword to die by.
Makes me cringe to think about all the pain that would involve.
We have been watching a lot of shows and reading many books on ancient
history here. Very interesting. A subject I never had in school so it is all
new to me. Anyway the violence is unbelievable. As much as I hate the
violence nowdays we are certainly better than humans use to be. So maybe we
will keep getting better. :)
Ido not think that the gun is the problem. I think we need to find out why
people kill. I know there is not one answer. We have to many people in this
country who need help before they reach for the gun, ( knife, needle, blunt
object, whatever) so that maybe they just don't. There is not an easy answer
but I think that is the only way we will ever remove the violence.
Candy
They hang downstairs on the stone wall I built around our woodburner. The
kids like the way they look as decoration and I do too. The kids have wooden
swords they use in martial arts. They do use them. They also have fencing
foils and hope to take classes someday in fencing. I do not worry about the
kids sneaking around taking the real swords down to play with them. They are
not little kids for one and they are not sneaky for another. I think if there
was a medievil group around the kids would enjoy that too.
That is really to bad about your friend Sandra who commited suicide. Always
so sad. But I certainly understand why he did not pick the sword to die by.
Makes me cringe to think about all the pain that would involve.
We have been watching a lot of shows and reading many books on ancient
history here. Very interesting. A subject I never had in school so it is all
new to me. Anyway the violence is unbelievable. As much as I hate the
violence nowdays we are certainly better than humans use to be. So maybe we
will keep getting better. :)
Ido not think that the gun is the problem. I think we need to find out why
people kill. I know there is not one answer. We have to many people in this
country who need help before they reach for the gun, ( knife, needle, blunt
object, whatever) so that maybe they just don't. There is not an easy answer
but I think that is the only way we will ever remove the violence.
Candy
Sue
Candy wrote:
and vaccines etc doesn't really convey this hope for humanity. Maybe on
the surface we are better than in the past, but I'm not sure about in
reality..... Maybe with big corporations owning the most powerful
government in the world more and more obscenities will be commited in the
name of research all the time?
Sue
> We have been watching a lot of shows and reading many books on ancientall
> history here. Very interesting. A subject I never had in school so it is
> new to me. Anyway the violence is unbelievable. As much as I hate thewe
> violence nowdays we are certainly better than humans use to be. So maybe
> will keep getting better. :)The atmic bomb, using poor communities and countries for testing new drugs
and vaccines etc doesn't really convey this hope for humanity. Maybe on
the surface we are better than in the past, but I'm not sure about in
reality..... Maybe with big corporations owning the most powerful
government in the world more and more obscenities will be commited in the
name of research all the time?
Sue
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In a message dated 2/11/01 8:34:10 AM, discovery6@... writes:
<< I think if there
was a medievil group around the kids would enjoy that too. >>
Where are you?
<< I think if there
was a medievil group around the kids would enjoy that too. >>
Where are you?
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In a message dated 2/11/01 11:25:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< << I think if there
was a medievil group around the kids would enjoy that too. >>
Where are you?>>
We are in KS about 65 miles east of Wichita
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< << I think if there
was a medievil group around the kids would enjoy that too. >>
Where are you?>>
We are in KS about 65 miles east of Wichita
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In a message dated 2/11/01 10:41:05 AM, discovery6@... writes:
<< << << I think if there
was a medievil group around the kids would enjoy that too. >>
Where are you?>>
We are in KS about 65 miles east of Wichita >>
In SCA terms, you're in the Kingdom of Calontir. Read here, and if it seems
interesting, i can help you get involved. http://calontir.sca.org/
There are ten groups in Kansas, and I don't know which is closer to you, but
they're listed at that site, and there's a map too.
<< << << I think if there
was a medievil group around the kids would enjoy that too. >>
Where are you?>>
We are in KS about 65 miles east of Wichita >>
In SCA terms, you're in the Kingdom of Calontir. Read here, and if it seems
interesting, i can help you get involved. http://calontir.sca.org/
There are ten groups in Kansas, and I don't know which is closer to you, but
they're listed at that site, and there's a map too.
Mac and Carol Brown
Isn't unschooling great? And this list - I learn all the time, and things I'd
never even considered I had a need to know <beg>
Carol
SandraDodd@... wrote:
never even considered I had a need to know <beg>
Carol
SandraDodd@... wrote:
> If you cut apples in the air (I have learned), here are some safety rules:
> Keep both feet on the ground, and have someone else toss the apples. From a
> distance twice as far as the length of the sword and your lunge reach.
Kerry Kibort
Can you give me a site to find groups in
Massachusetts?
TIA
Kerry
Massachusetts?
TIA
Kerry
Olivia
I haven't had time to follow this thread, so I really apologize if this is
repetitive or not applicable. However, have you been to the Higgins Armory
Museum in Worcester? http://www.higgins.org/ They specialize in historic
arms and armor and have special kids programs and classes related to
medieval life. They have some special classes for vacation week like "paper
making and manuscript creation, fencing lessons in our Great Hall, medieval
dancing and madrigal singing ." Maybe they have connections to other
groups. You've probably already been there, but it was worth mentioning
just in case you have not.
Olivia
At 10:25 AM 2/13/01, you wrote:
repetitive or not applicable. However, have you been to the Higgins Armory
Museum in Worcester? http://www.higgins.org/ They specialize in historic
arms and armor and have special kids programs and classes related to
medieval life. They have some special classes for vacation week like "paper
making and manuscript creation, fencing lessons in our Great Hall, medieval
dancing and madrigal singing ." Maybe they have connections to other
groups. You've probably already been there, but it was worth mentioning
just in case you have not.
Olivia
At 10:25 AM 2/13/01, you wrote:
> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:47:01 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kerry Kibort <kkibort@...>
>Subject: Re: Swords/Sandra/medieval groups
>
>Can you give me a site to find groups in
>Massachusetts?
>TIA
>Kerry
Kerry Kibort
Thank you! I had forgotten about the Higgin's Armory.
I loved that place as a kid and I know my kids will,
too.
Kerry
I loved that place as a kid and I know my kids will,
too.
Kerry
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In a message dated 8/28/2002 10:41:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
(comes in rolls and is about 1/4 inch thick) and duct tape. They use garbage
can lids for shields.
They are older kids and they go out in the backyard and duel all the time.
My hub also duels with them and neighbors and house guests have been known to
engage too.
One thing that raised questions in my mind was we went to a Renaissance
Faire last weekend and my kids had a blast shooting arrows at a live target.
They were rubber tipped arrows shot at a knight in armor, helm and chain
mail, but still. If the kids were over 12 and missed the shot, the knight
chased them down. If the archer could load another arrow and hit them the
archer one, if the knight got there first the archer was toast. My son got a
knight pretty close up!! He rolled on the ground and kicked his feet most
dramatically. (the knight not my son).
For the most part my kids are very pacifistic.
Another thing, my son has been fencing for three years in November. He used
to be bullied but not blatantly but still seemed to be a target for
aggressive kids. Since he started fencing for real, it has made a real
difference in the way he is perceived by other kids. He has an athletic grace
and self confidence that has ended that perception.
Beth
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[email protected] writes:
> Sword play and archery I have come to see the beauty in, especially forMy kids made all kinds of weapons out of PVC pipe, blue insulation foam,
> fantasy play, but I still don't want them aiming at each other. Obviously
> swords would be more satisfying in a duel, though ... and what about the
> merits of homemade over fake? You said your kids made swords and shields
> -- how did they do that? Debi
>
>
(comes in rolls and is about 1/4 inch thick) and duct tape. They use garbage
can lids for shields.
They are older kids and they go out in the backyard and duel all the time.
My hub also duels with them and neighbors and house guests have been known to
engage too.
One thing that raised questions in my mind was we went to a Renaissance
Faire last weekend and my kids had a blast shooting arrows at a live target.
They were rubber tipped arrows shot at a knight in armor, helm and chain
mail, but still. If the kids were over 12 and missed the shot, the knight
chased them down. If the archer could load another arrow and hit them the
archer one, if the knight got there first the archer was toast. My son got a
knight pretty close up!! He rolled on the ground and kicked his feet most
dramatically. (the knight not my son).
For the most part my kids are very pacifistic.
Another thing, my son has been fencing for three years in November. He used
to be bullied but not blatantly but still seemed to be a target for
aggressive kids. Since he started fencing for real, it has made a real
difference in the way he is perceived by other kids. He has an athletic grace
and self confidence that has ended that perception.
Beth
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queenjane555
My son (8 yrs old)has been asking to buy a sword for about a week
now. He found a site that sells them while looking up info on Ra the
Sun God (my 9 yr old niece says the only god she worships is Ra, so
they were looking up info on the computer)...Seamus has a wooden
sword, but he wants something that looks more "real".
A couple of months ago, he wanted to buy knives, so he picked a
bunch out at the dollar store, played with them for a day or two(not
just chopping stuff up, but also doing ninja-esq moves with
them, "slicing" the air, etc)...it made me a little nervous, but he
is very good about NOT getting hurt doing stuff, and was being
careful not to swing them around with someone standing there. The
knives have been sitting on a shelf in our room for a few weeks now
(actually since about two days after he got them), untouched. We're
in the process of moving, so when i pack them up, i'll probably just
put them in the utensil drawer until he needs them.
Now about the sword....i like swords, theyre cool, but i dont know
how comfortable i am having a big 2 ft long sharp sword lying
around. I'm pretty confident my son wont get hurt, but we've just
moved into a new place, and i hope the other kids in the complex
will hang out at our apt, and not sure how to handle that.
Is there someplace i can get an authentic looking sword that ISNT
sharp at all? Seamus said he'd be willing to get a more "real"
looking wooden one, if he "had" to, but i know thats not what he
really wants.
My nephew (now 25 and off in Japan in the Navy)collected swords as a
teenager/adult, until recently they were in my mom's basement, and
my brother took them away to store at his house because he didnt
think they should be lying around where kids (seamus and my niece)
could find them, and made a comment about how my sister should never
have let him get all these swords when he was a kid, that it wasnt
really appropriate to buy him "weapons"...my brother is generally
great (off to see "Robots" the movie with seamus right now)but can
be pretty critical about things he has strong opinions on, and so i
think that is playing into my nervousness/hesitation about the
issue.
I told Seamus i would do a little research and let him know by
Sunday what i've decided (and thats today!!), i am not used to
saying "No" about much but not so confident saying yes in this
situation. I've thought maybe we could get the sword, but i could
keep it in my room, like mounted on the wall or something, or even
displayed in the living room, instead of it just being out somewhere
in his room.
Help?
Katherine
now. He found a site that sells them while looking up info on Ra the
Sun God (my 9 yr old niece says the only god she worships is Ra, so
they were looking up info on the computer)...Seamus has a wooden
sword, but he wants something that looks more "real".
A couple of months ago, he wanted to buy knives, so he picked a
bunch out at the dollar store, played with them for a day or two(not
just chopping stuff up, but also doing ninja-esq moves with
them, "slicing" the air, etc)...it made me a little nervous, but he
is very good about NOT getting hurt doing stuff, and was being
careful not to swing them around with someone standing there. The
knives have been sitting on a shelf in our room for a few weeks now
(actually since about two days after he got them), untouched. We're
in the process of moving, so when i pack them up, i'll probably just
put them in the utensil drawer until he needs them.
Now about the sword....i like swords, theyre cool, but i dont know
how comfortable i am having a big 2 ft long sharp sword lying
around. I'm pretty confident my son wont get hurt, but we've just
moved into a new place, and i hope the other kids in the complex
will hang out at our apt, and not sure how to handle that.
Is there someplace i can get an authentic looking sword that ISNT
sharp at all? Seamus said he'd be willing to get a more "real"
looking wooden one, if he "had" to, but i know thats not what he
really wants.
My nephew (now 25 and off in Japan in the Navy)collected swords as a
teenager/adult, until recently they were in my mom's basement, and
my brother took them away to store at his house because he didnt
think they should be lying around where kids (seamus and my niece)
could find them, and made a comment about how my sister should never
have let him get all these swords when he was a kid, that it wasnt
really appropriate to buy him "weapons"...my brother is generally
great (off to see "Robots" the movie with seamus right now)but can
be pretty critical about things he has strong opinions on, and so i
think that is playing into my nervousness/hesitation about the
issue.
I told Seamus i would do a little research and let him know by
Sunday what i've decided (and thats today!!), i am not used to
saying "No" about much but not so confident saying yes in this
situation. I've thought maybe we could get the sword, but i could
keep it in my room, like mounted on the wall or something, or even
displayed in the living room, instead of it just being out somewhere
in his room.
Help?
Katherine
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The historical reproduction swords don't come really sharpened. If people
want them for show or costume, they won't have much edge. Buying a rack for
it at the same time is probably a good idea. If you live where there's a mall
with a knife store, they might have a sword or two, and even if you don't want
to buy one there, you could ask the guy questions. Pawn shops might have
them too. Maybe.
Marty started a knife collection a few years ago. He got three or four
really quickly and it fizzled out, but I know men my age who started collecting as
kids and have dozens of knives and swords now.
Sandra
want them for show or costume, they won't have much edge. Buying a rack for
it at the same time is probably a good idea. If you live where there's a mall
with a knife store, they might have a sword or two, and even if you don't want
to buy one there, you could ask the guy questions. Pawn shops might have
them too. Maybe.
Marty started a knife collection a few years ago. He got three or four
really quickly and it fizzled out, but I know men my age who started collecting as
kids and have dozens of knives and swords now.
Sandra
[email protected]
-=-=-=-The historical reproduction swords don't come really sharpened. If people want them for show or costume, they won't have much edge. Buying a rack for it at the same time is probably a good idea. If you live where there's a mall
with a knife store, they might have a sword or two, and even if you don't want to buy one there, you could ask the guy questions. Pawn shops might have them too. Maybe.-=-=-=-
Yeah---Ben's Citadel sword. I kept meaning to have it mounted and framed, but never got around to it.
Duncan found it, and it became his. Took it outside one day and broke it. Bummer. But it was NOT sharp. Ceremonial. I guess it *could* have been sharpened to a fine edge. But he way those boys twirl it around in parades, I guess it's best if it's not too sharp! <g>
We also have the bayonet knife from his Citadel rifle; it's blunt too.
Gun and knife shows? We have one here in Columbia about once a month. Maybe once every two months? I don't know, but it seems to be quite often.
Would a ceremonial one do?
~Kelly
with a knife store, they might have a sword or two, and even if you don't want to buy one there, you could ask the guy questions. Pawn shops might have them too. Maybe.-=-=-=-
Yeah---Ben's Citadel sword. I kept meaning to have it mounted and framed, but never got around to it.
Duncan found it, and it became his. Took it outside one day and broke it. Bummer. But it was NOT sharp. Ceremonial. I guess it *could* have been sharpened to a fine edge. But he way those boys twirl it around in parades, I guess it's best if it's not too sharp! <g>
We also have the bayonet knife from his Citadel rifle; it's blunt too.
Gun and knife shows? We have one here in Columbia about once a month. Maybe once every two months? I don't know, but it seems to be quite often.
Would a ceremonial one do?
~Kelly
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Another idea is to see if you can find a Japanese kenjutsu school and maybe
he can observe a class at least, and maybe attend a demonstration or
examination of a senior student. Then there's kendo where they work with wooden swords.
I don't think kenjutsu is likely to take a young student, but kendo might.
Sandra
he can observe a class at least, and maybe attend a demonstration or
examination of a senior student. Then there's kendo where they work with wooden swords.
I don't think kenjutsu is likely to take a young student, but kendo might.
Sandra
wifetovegman2002
--- In [email protected], "queenjane555"
<queenjane555@y...> wrote:
There is also a knife store in the mall...Chesapeake Knife Company or
something like that...that sells swords.
There are also fencing academies that sell supplies and such. My 13yo
is going to take historical swordsmanship lessons at one near our
home. It covers the japanese catana, the rapier, and one other than I
can't think of at the moment...two-handed sword.
~Susan McGlohn
<queenjane555@y...> wrote:
>The army surplus store near our home sells swords as well as army stuff.
> I told Seamus i would do a little research and let him know by
> Sunday what i've decided (and thats today!!), i am not used to
> saying "No" about much but not so confident saying yes in this
> situation. I've thought maybe we could get the sword, but i could
> keep it in my room, like mounted on the wall or something, or even
> displayed in the living room, instead of it just being out somewhere
> in his room.
>
> Help?
There is also a knife store in the mall...Chesapeake Knife Company or
something like that...that sells swords.
There are also fencing academies that sell supplies and such. My 13yo
is going to take historical swordsmanship lessons at one near our
home. It covers the japanese catana, the rapier, and one other than I
can't think of at the moment...two-handed sword.
~Susan McGlohn
Robyn Coburn
<<<<The historical reproduction swords don't come really sharpened. If
people
want them for show or costume, they won't have much edge.>>>>
My first thought was that if he wants to be able to play with his sword a
real one, regardless of edge might be rather heavy, whereas a reproduction
or theatrical prop one made of fiberglass or plastics might look good but be
lighter.
I wonder if your son would enjoy fencing? I used to do it in acting school
years ago.
Robyn L. Coburn
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people
want them for show or costume, they won't have much edge.>>>>
My first thought was that if he wants to be able to play with his sword a
real one, regardless of edge might be rather heavy, whereas a reproduction
or theatrical prop one made of fiberglass or plastics might look good but be
lighter.
I wonder if your son would enjoy fencing? I used to do it in acting school
years ago.
Robyn L. Coburn
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jenneferh2000
You can also get a sheath for the sword.
I got a sword and sheath for $20 from a local knife maker at a
downtown celebration one year. It looks very impressive- but is
literally very dull.
Something else you could look into would be bellydance supply places
that sell really fancy looking swords meant to be balanced on the head
during dance. They look awesome and aren't sharp. (Though they look
like they are!)
Jennefer in Oregon
I got a sword and sheath for $20 from a local knife maker at a
downtown celebration one year. It looks very impressive- but is
literally very dull.
Something else you could look into would be bellydance supply places
that sell really fancy looking swords meant to be balanced on the head
during dance. They look awesome and aren't sharp. (Though they look
like they are!)
Jennefer in Oregon
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> The historical reproduction swords don't come really sharpened. If
people
> want them for show or costume, they won't have much edge.