frozenandcold

<He would like for our family to do an experiment
to see how we would feel if we went a week without eating meat or meat
by-products.>

Probably the biggest difference you will notice is that you will be
more regular! Remember that vegetarians can be unhealthy too, if they
are eating a lot of processed foods. The trick is to eat things that
are as close to their original state as possible, meaning whole, raw
foods. If there are things on the label that you cannot pronounce you
probably shouldn't be eating them either, as a general rule. Organic
food will have more nutritional value also and less toxins. I buy
flour free bread too and my kids can't tell the difference.

Heidi

Deb

--- In [email protected], "frozenandcold"
<fivefreebirds@m...> wrote:
> I buy
> flour free bread too and my kids can't tell the difference.
>
> Heidi
>
"Flour free" ? - generally all -breads- have flour of some sort -
needn't be wheat flour, - rice, spelt, other grains, whatever, lots of
alternatives - it's still flour. I've seen lots of breads that are
wheat free and gluten free but none that say they are flour free
(typically water and some form of flour are the main ingredients). I'd
be curious to know what's in it.

--Deb

Patti

One other consideration is cost. While in some parts of the country many
things might be reasonable, in others they might be 3 to 5 times higher for
organic/whole foods in a local health food store. It pays to really shop
around.

Patti

the.bartels

>"Flour free" ? - generally all -breads- have flour of some sort -
>needn't be wheat flour, - rice, spelt, other grains, whatever, lots of
>alternatives - it's still flour. I've seen lots of breads that are
>wheat free and gluten free but none that say they are flour free
>(typically water and some form of flour are the main ingredients). I'd
>be curious to know what's in it.
>
it's ground up sprouted grains....still usually wheat and a combo of
other grains, but somehow more nutritionally sound. :)

-lisa

Deb

--- In [email protected], "the.bartels"
<the.bartels@g...> wrote:
>
> >"Flour free" I'd
> >be curious to know what's in it.
> >
> it's ground up sprouted grains....still usually wheat and a combo of
> other grains, but somehow more nutritionally sound. :)
>
> -lisa
>
Ah - ok. I tried some of that one time from the grocery store now that
you jogged my memory (they had a mini-freezer in the baked goods
section there where the sprouted grain bread resided so it would stay
fresh - had a whole description on the package as to why and how they
do it the way they do, including quickly freezing it to keep it from
going bad). Toasted it wasn't bad but as a general purpose item I
personally didn't care for it - flavor was okay, texture seemed 'off'
for my taste. DH didn't mind it so much, DS wouldn't eat it. Maybe if
we hit a whole foods store (I've been wanting an excuse to go to the
new Trader Joe's but at a 30 minute drive through the city it hasn't
been a priority) and found a different brand that is flat out fresh
(never frozen), that would likely be different. I know many breads
(even basic may as well eat the wrapper white bread) lose a lot when
frozen then thawed. (I think the wrapper of the product even suggested
toasting it).

I googled the brand name of the stuff we bought and this is what they
said about the sprouting:
"We believe in sprouting the grains we use in our breads because
sprouting is the only way to release all of the vital nutrients stored
in whole grains.* To unlock this dormant food energy, maximize
nutrition and flavor, we add just the right amount of water to healthy
whole organically grown grains which are already bursting with
nutrients. Beneficial enzymes are activated which cause the grains to
sprout and become a living food.
<company name> breads, made from sprouted grains, are richer in
protein and vitamins than bread baked from dry grains ground into
flour.
Our exclusive sprouting process not only significantly increases
valuable nutrients such as vitamin A, vitamin C, B-vitamins, calcium,
iron, magnesium and potassium but also causes a natural change that
makes the protein and carbohydrates easier for the body to use. In
fact, sprouts are lower in carbohydrates and calories than the grains
from which they were sprouted."

--Deb

Aubrey Lane

One other consideration is cost. While in some parts of the country many
things might be reasonable, in others they might be 3 to 5 times higher for
organic/whole foods in a local health food store. It pays to really shop
around.

Patti

This has been our biggest obstacle. Several times we have tried to make
dietary changes and we just couldn't afford it. It costs over twice as much
to but organic for us than to buy crap. I guess I could cook from scratch
more. I'm just not a very good cook (I bake like Betty Crocker though.
Cookies anyone?)
Aubrey

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patti
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] re: attention vegetarians

One other consideration is cost. While in some parts of the country many
things might be reasonable, in others they might be 3 to 5 times higher for
organic/whole foods in a local health food store. It pays to really shop
around.

Patti






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In a message dated 11/16/05 8:18:18 AM, abmorris23@... writes:


>   If I'm doing a meal like roast chicken or beef,
> then I just make sure there are quick and easy veggie "meats" available to
> heat up. Kate would do that herself. 
>

Oh yeah! We get Boca Burgers, and when the rest of us are grilling burgers,
Holly makes a Boca Burger. So she uses the same bun/veggie/condiment set-up
as the rest of us, but has her own pattie which is made in the microwave.
(and sometimes she has them other times)

Sandra


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[email protected]

Yeah---Basically that's what I've been doing.

I guess I don't like to have that extra step. :-P~~~~*

But I *do* want to help him out and give him what he wants. But it makes me have to *think* about something that's, for **years** now, been second nature! <g>

I'm just being a poop.

~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org


-----Original Message-----
From: April <abmorris23@...>

I had many years of this. Kate was vegetarian for quite a while. We tend to
eat a mix of meat and vegetarian dishes anyway, so that helped.

I usually try to make meals that can be put together since we have quite a
variety of tastes here anyway. I just bought vegetarian alternatives to add
to the mix. So when I make spaghetti, I have noodles, sauce, cheese and
meatballs all separate and people combine whatever they want. I just add
veggie meatballs as an option. For things like chili, I don't put meat in
sometimes anyway (the beans provide plenty of protein). If I'm in the mood
for meat, I just put some in another pot without meat or with a meat
alternative. It dirties an extra pot, but it's not any extra work. Chicken
patties, hotdogs, hamburgers all have veggie alternatives of course. Tacos
are easy to do this with. If I'm doing a meal like roast chicken or beef,
then I just make sure there are quick and easy veggie "meats" available to
heat up. Kate would do that herself. I would make sure to do some
vegetarian meals as well since we like that anyway. As long as I have the
alternatives handy, it wasn't' much extra work. It is pricier though.


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Ren Allen

"And from what I've tasted I'd rather forego cheese entirely than use
any of the alternates I've tried (made from various combinations of
non-dairy stuff)"

I really don't care if a cow cheese is officially vegetarian or
not....I'm a bad vegetarian I guess. But I don't eat the stuff usually
and it's one place I can cut cost for the non-veg heads. Cow cheese
all tastes the same...veg or not.

The soy/rice stuff...UCK! Can't stand it. Don't see the point at all.:)

Ren

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In a message dated 11/16/2005 8:41:30 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

But I *do* want to help him out and give him what he wants. But it makes me
have to *think* about something that's, for **years** now, been second
nature! <g>



Brenna has been vegetarian for about 4 years and I occasionally eat fish but
no red meat. Broc and Logan are both meat eaters and would like it every
day. And cooking is not high on my priortity list of enjoyable activities <g>

What works best for us is to keep the pantry and freezer stocked with simple
things that we can all fix easily. I keep hummus and a variety of cheeses,
yogurt, cottage cheese, and our staple frozen vegetarian burgers. We like
Gardenburger and it allows us each to make a single burger anytime in a few
minutes.

We use the soy burger crumbles in place of most meat for things like chili
and spaghetti. I made lasagne a couple of nights ago and only put meat in
half the sauce so one end of it was vegetarian and everyone was happy. If I
make something like a chicken stew in the crock pot, I just leave the chicken
pieces whole and she and I eat the vegies.

Since we've been in New Mexico, Broc and Logan supplement by getting Blakes
green chili hamburgers a couple of times a week...<g>

Gail


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In a message dated 11/16/05 10:12:20 AM, gailbrocop@... writes:


>
> Since we've been in New Mexico, Broc and Logan supplement by getting Blakes 
> green chili hamburgers a couple of times a week...<g>
>

Oh man...
Not only does that remind me to mention next fall's conference again
(preliminary photo-inspiration here: SandraDodd.com/abq )
and that there's a Blake's right across the street,

but it makes me hungry and I'm waiting for a repairman and can't easily
leave. There's a Blake's half a mile from here.

When Cameron the vegetarian visited us, he did indulge in a Blake's
Lotaburger. They're just kind of above the rules, those... And the best fries in
town. DARN YOU GAIL!!!!


Sandra


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frozenandcold

What a cool discussion for a vegetarian!

<Anyone else dealing with only ONE veg-head in the family???>

Kevin (my oldest ds) and myself are the only vegetarians in this
family too, although, Kevin will eat seafood but I don't even eat
that anymore. Because everyone feels better on a vegetarian diet I
pretty much only cook vegetarian at home but I do keep frozen
chicken breasts and fish fillets that I can slap on my Foreman
Grill. If I do cook meat, it is the side dish with everything else
being vegetarian. Everyone seems satisfied with the setup, no
complaints anyway.

Kelly, I can give you some great recipes also and e-mail them to you
offlist. I have REALLY simple recipes that I whip up in a few
minutes. I have had big-time meat eaters switch to my version of
things because they like it better. If all you do is substitute the
Morningstar Crumbles for the meat you probably won't even know the
difference and then everyone is happy. I also keep quick, simple
snacks around like hummus and crackers and things of that nature.
My bulk of groceries is fruits and vegetables.


Heidi

elainegh8

Ok, I keep mis-reading everything the last 2 days. I must need more
sleep. I thought you said....

"but I do keep frozen chicken breasts and fish fillets that I can
slap on my Forearm"!!!!

What?****

I thought..weird woman! Then I realised that I was the weird one :S
I'm going to get an early night tonight.

BWs Elaine


I> pretty much only cook vegetarian at home but I do keep frozen
> chicken breasts and fish fillets that I can slap on my Foreman
> Grill. If I do cook meat, it is the side dish with everything
else
> being vegetarian. Everyone seems satisfied with the setup, no
> complaints anyway.
>

Lars Hedbor

I'd also highly recommend the Moosewood cookbooks. I'm not a vegetarian,
but I started using the Moosewood low-fat cookbook when we had my
brother-in-law with us, and kept using it because the recipes were all so
darned good.

- Lars D. H. Hedbor
  Author, Small Business Projects/INTERNET
www.smallbusinessprojects.com/INTERNET

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of frozenandcold
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:38 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] re: attention vegetarians
>
> What a cool discussion for a vegetarian!
>
> <Anyone else dealing with only ONE veg-head in the family???>
>
> Kevin (my oldest ds) and myself are the only vegetarians in this
> family too, although, Kevin will eat seafood but I don't even eat
> that anymore. Because everyone feels better on a vegetarian diet I
> pretty much only cook vegetarian at home but I do keep frozen
> chicken breasts and fish fillets that I can slap on my Foreman
> Grill. If I do cook meat, it is the side dish with everything else
> being vegetarian. Everyone seems satisfied with the setup, no
> complaints anyway.
>
> Kelly, I can give you some great recipes also and e-mail them to you
> offlist. I have REALLY simple recipes that I whip up in a few
> minutes. I have had big-time meat eaters switch to my version of
> things because they like it better. If all you do is substitute the
> Morningstar Crumbles for the meat you probably won't even know the
> difference and then everyone is happy. I also keep quick, simple
> snacks around like hummus and crackers and things of that nature.
> My bulk of groceries is fruits and vegetables.
>
>
> Heidi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Danielle Conger

Ren Allen wrote:

>
> Cow cheese all tastes the same...veg or not.

Sacrilege! Uh, cut me to the quick!

--
~~Danielle, cheese connoisseur who cannot wait to begin making her own cheeses, which Ren WILL taste the difference in, just as she will taste the differences in all Kelly's honey! Or else!
Emily (8), Julia (6), Sam (5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html

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"With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha

frozenandcold

<I
suppose the vision of my 80+ yr old granparents who regurlay ate eggs
and bacon
for breakfast has left me with little motivation.>

The difference is that they probably ate ALL organic through most of
their lives and got more exercise than the average American because
they worked for their food.

Heidi

frozenandcold

<My 83 year old Mamaw had been a junk-eating fool when she could get
it.
Yes, in the 30's and 40's she ate more non-processed foods, not
counting the
addition of SPAM and Vienna Sausage and such canned meats. She
canned her own
vegetables and fruit, and honestly... I'd be afraid sometimes. She
was
sensitive to wheat in her later years and ate potato bread and rye
bread.

Keith's parents will probably pass 90 and they eat very little, and
none of
that very good. Pancake mix, and the cheapest possible of whatever
they do
get.

My mom died in her 70's though she smoke and drank and hardly ever
ate
anything that didn't come out of a can in those later years.

Her parents had a little farm and ate okra, green beans and tomatoes
that
they grew themselves, but the okra was always rolled in cornmeal
batter and
fried, and for breakfast EVERY day they had homemade biscuits,
sausage and eggs.

She smoked, he dipped snuff, they got old.

Spam... Most of them ate a lot of Spam.



Darn those people that are blest with good genes!! There is
something to quality of life too though and I know I don't feel very
good or full of life when I eat crappy.

Heidi
>

Deb

--- In [email protected], "frozenandcold"
<fivefreebirds@m...> wrote:
>>
> Spam... Most of them ate a lot of Spam.
>
Spam and Twinkies...between them there's enough preservatives that
maybe it 'preserved' folks...lol
--Deb

wifetovegman2002

--- In [email protected], "Deb"
<soggyboysmom@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "frozenandcold"
> <fivefreebirds@m...> wrote:
> >>
> > Spam... Most of them ate a lot of Spam.
> >
> Spam and Twinkies...between them there's enough preservatives that
> maybe it 'preserved' folks...lol
> --Deb
>

Spam actually only has Sodium Nitrite as a preservative. Not too bad.
Except for the high fat content, the meat used is of good quality
(Shoulder Pork And haM = SPAM) and doesn't contain any "weird" parts
the way sausage or scrapple does.

Twinkies on the other hand...are okay too!! (well, except for the
artifical flavors and colors..blech) The reason they don't go bad is
because they contain no dairy products, not even in the creamy filling.

~Susan

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In a message dated 11/17/05 10:24:25 PM, fivefreebirds@... writes:


> Darn those people that are blest with good genes!!  There is
> something to quality of life too though and I know I don't feel very
> good or full of life when I eat crappy.
>

Is it possible not to use the word "crap" in reference to food, please?
It's a cheap and easy way for parents to condemn foods and make their kids
feel, well... like crap.

Let's try not to here, please.
Thanks.

Sandra


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diana jenner

wifetovegman2002 wrote:

>--- In [email protected], "Deb"
><soggyboysmom@y...> wrote:
>
>
>>--- In [email protected], "frozenandcold"
>><fivefreebirds@m...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Spam... Most of them ate a lot of Spam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Spam and Twinkies...between them there's enough preservatives that
>>maybe it 'preserved' folks...lol
>>--Deb
>>
>>
>>
>
>Spam actually only has Sodium Nitrite as a preservative. Not too bad.
> Except for the high fat content, the meat used is of good quality
>(Shoulder Pork And haM = SPAM) and doesn't contain any "weird" parts
>the way sausage or scrapple does.
>
And all this time I thought it was Some Parts Are Meat <LOL>
If anyone has a cause to be in the middle of Southern Minnesota on I-90,
you should stop at the SPAM Museum in Austin! It's really campy and
retro and fun. We dressed up as SPAM factory workers, played SPAM
Jeopardy, tasted both Pork and Turkey samples, saw the Monty Pithon
exhibit... I enjoyed it far more than I expected!! Oh, and free SPAM
postcards, too :)
BTW, Hawaii eats the most SPAM per capita in the World!!
:) diana


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Deb

--- In [email protected], diana jenner
<hahamommy@s...> wrote:
>> BTW, Hawaii eats the most SPAM per capita in the World!!
> :) diana
Ah so I guess that's how to connect Spam to Hawaii - I 'got' Hawaii to
Elvis and Elvis to Beatles but I couldn't quite figure the Spam-Hawaii
connection (Spam and pineapple?). And of course the Beatles comes back
full circle to the UK connection with Monty Python.

--Deb

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In a message dated 11/18/05 1:00:43 PM, soggyboysmom@... writes:


> but I couldn't quite figure the Spam-Hawaii
> connection (Spam and pineapple?).
>

Absolutely.
And also Spam as substitute/equivalent of tofu in suchlike dishes, and it's
apparently been going on for sixty years or so. Little cubes of spam in all
kinds of local and Asian dishes. And it DOES go nicely with pineapple.

Sandra


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Deb

Might have to get some SPAM in the near future just so we can have
Spam and eggs while watching Monty Python which DS has taken an
interest in lately. A lot of the strictly British humor has gone
flying past but much of the visual humor tickles his funny bone. Had
to explain what a blancmange was for him - even tracked down a recipe
so we can try to make it sometime. I can be pretty sure that when we
get to the Spam sketch (we've been watching the video collection plus
DH and DS will often tune in during the day when BBC America
broadcasts episodes). Last night we mentioned to MIL that DS likes
Monty Python and he stuck out his arms and zoomed by saying "Flying
Circus"...then he came back around and asked how a circus could fly.

This is so much FUN!

--Deb

Shields

Not only that, but there is a SPAM book my daughter picked up for free at a
book exchange. I was surprised she wanted it, because she's a vegetarian,
but she really enjoyed reading it!
Kristin

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
>
And all this time I thought it was Some Parts Are Meat <LOL>
If anyone has a cause to be in the middle of Southern Minnesota on I-90,
you should stop at the SPAM Museum in Austin! It's really campy and
retro and fun. We dressed up as SPAM factory workers, played SPAM
Jeopardy, tasted both Pork and Turkey samples, saw the Monty Pithon
exhibit... I enjoyed it far more than I expected!! Oh, and free SPAM
postcards, too :)
BTW, Hawaii eats the most SPAM per capita in the World!!
:) diana

elainegh8

In this part of the UK people used to eat Spam fritters. I would bet
that some people still do. That's Spam coated in batter and fried!

BWs Elaine

> And all this time I thought it was Some Parts Are Meat <LOL>
> If anyone has a cause to be in the middle of Southern Minnesota on
I-90,
> you should stop at the SPAM Museum in Austin! It's really campy
and
> retro and fun. We dressed up as SPAM factory workers, played SPAM
> Jeopardy, tasted both Pork and Turkey samples, saw the Monty
Pithon
> exhibit... I enjoyed it far more than I expected!! Oh, and free
SPAM
> postcards, too :)
> BTW, Hawaii eats the most SPAM per capita in the World!!
> :) diana
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

wifetovegman2002

--- In [email protected], "Shields" <shields@o...>
wrote:
>
> Not only that, but there is a SPAM book my daughter picked up for
free at a
> book exchange. I was surprised she wanted it, because she's a
vegetarian,
> but she really enjoyed reading it!
> Kristin
>


BTW, everything I know about SPAM and twinkies I learned on the
history channel and on a show on Food Network called "Unwrapped", and
it was all thanks to my 14yo, who loves to cook and watch those two
channels all the time. He's so awesome!

~Susan M. in VA
wifetovegman

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/20/2005 2:21:49 AM Central Standard Time,
wifetovegman2002@... writes:

BTW, everything I know about SPAM and twinkies I learned on the
history channel and on a show on Food Network called "Unwrapped",


~~~

Okay, so maybe you can help me...

Every time I see a commercial for that show or even the word "Unwrapped" I
have a VERY Strong craving for a Twinkie! I think it was the Twinkie episode
I saw years ago.

Anyone else?

Karen


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elainegh8

Once again I am in ignorance. :S What's a Twinkie?

BWs Elaine

> Okay, so maybe you can help me...
>
> Every time I see a commercial for that show or even the
word "Unwrapped" I
> have a VERY Strong craving for a Twinkie! I think it was the
Twinkie episode
> I saw years ago.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Karen

Schuyler Waynforth

A Twinkie is a yellow sponge cake filled with cream
(http://www.twinkies.com/ ). Its kind of like a cadbury miniroll
(although for the Americans among us that's really a Hostess Ho-Ho).
I don't think there is a British equivalent.

Schuyler


-- In [email protected], "elainegh8"
<elainegh8@h...> wrote:
>
> Once again I am in ignorance. :S What's a Twinkie?
>
> BWs Elaine
>
> > Okay, so maybe you can help me...
> >
> > Every time I see a commercial for that show or even the
> word "Unwrapped" I
> > have a VERY Strong craving for a Twinkie! I think it was the
> Twinkie episode
> > I saw years ago.
> >
> > Anyone else?
> >
> > Karen
>