Kathleen Whitfield

on 6/26/05 2:33 AM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:

> Is anyone earnest on TV any more? Sweet? I've been rereading Anne of Green
> Gables (to myself) and she was VERY sweet, abut that was a hundred years ago!
> I've been reading A Series of Unfortunate Events to my son -- and a MORE sour
> and bitter book for children would be hard to imagine.

My son asked for a family friend to stop reading "Unfortunate Events" to him
when he was a bit younger -- I'm thinking 7 or so. He found it upsetting.
He's 9 and he might like it a little better now, but he's shown no interest
in picking it up.

The book "Pollyanna" was fun for the kids. It is melodramatic and very
earnest. My 7yo daughter liked it a lot when I read it to her, although it
had its share of places that made *me* cringe inside.

My kids definitely prefer the most earnest kind of stories right now. For
TV, we have lousy reception and they watch videos/DVDs almost exclusively.
Little House on the Prairie has been a huge hit, especially with the 3yo and
7yo.

Kathleen
in LA

Robyn Coburn

<<<< The book "Pollyanna" was fun for the kids. It is melodramatic and very
earnest. My 7yo daughter liked it a lot when I read it to her, although it
had its share of places that made *me* cringe inside.>>>>

Do you know that there is a sequel? "Pollyanna Grows Up".

The author of the "Anne of Green Gables" series also wrote a series about an
aspiring writer named Emily -"Emily of New Moon", "Emily's Quest" and "Emily
Climbs". It has been about 15 years since I last read my mother's copies but
I remember it being similar to the Anne books in tone - perhaps with a
little more sadness woven into the stories in places.

We are reading the Chronicles of Narnia at the moment - slowly. We are on
"The Voyage of the Dawn Treader" which seems to me to have the most odd
adventures. The last book might be a bit heavy for sensitive kids -
especially the betrayals.

I bought the Mary Poppins series by P.L. Travers, because Jayn loves the
movie and I was interested in the original material. Mary Poppins turns out
to be an extraordinarily vain, rather mean and grouchy woman, whom the
children are always treading very warily around. Sure they do some cool
things - but she just seems awful. The kids seem quite fascinated by her -
and cowed also. I felt like she was using her magic to manipulate their
minds. How sad for the mother when in the first book (the only one I have
read so far) the son Michael screams to his Mom that Mary Poppins is the
only person he loves in the world.

I had read part of it to Jayn before she fell asleep, then I finished it
off. The next day I asked Jayn if she wanted me to read some more, and she
told me she had put it back into her library, which I see as fairly clear
code for "no". I think it is just too different from the movie for Jayn to
like it - especially the whole main plotline with the father's emotional
journey which is absent from the book.

I remember liking the Heidi books as a child. There are three: "Heidi" by
Johanna Spyri, and "Heidi Grows Up" and "Heidi's Children" both by Charles
Tritten, Johanna Spyri's translator. I think they capture Heidi (and Peter
of course) as adults rather sweetly. I like the Shirley Temple version of
Heidi also, even though there are naturally some departures from the book.

<<<<My kids definitely prefer the most earnest kind of stories right now.
For TV, we have lousy reception and they watch videos/DVDs almost
exclusively. Little House on the Prairie has been a huge hit, especially
with the 3yo and 7yo.>>>>

Did the new show include the scene from the book where Pa beats Laura with a
belt? Does the show include the endless misery that Laura feels all through
her childhood from constantly being compared to Mary, her lack of self
esteem and belief in her own "badness"? Did they show Ma's rigidity and
controlling nature - not to mention racism? What a shock I got when I read
the whole series (that I picked up from a vendor last year's Conference at a
great bargain) since it had always been touted as a "wonderful" example of
parenting and home schooling. Maybe *in comparison* to the standards of the
time. I consider those books to be historical documents giving interesting
information about how people lived, and the unremitting physical labor they
undertook, but as a treatise on gentle parenting (as I had been told) - no.

The TV series from the seventies turns out to have only the most tenuous
connection to the books, and Pa (Michael Landon) in that is a lot kinder to
"Half Pint" when she makes mistakes.

Robyn L. Coburn


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Mary Poppins turns out
> to be an extraordinarily vain, rather mean and grouchy woman, whom the
> children are always treading very warily around.
>

I read it as a kid and I think I remember her popping her finger off and
giving it to a baby to play with (and growing another one? Did the baby end up
keeping the first one? Gross!


I like the movie version of Heidi because of the scenery and buildings and
costumes. I couldn't imagine those myself, living in northern New Mexico.
And when I watched it with Holly a few years ago, I was amused by how the
actor playing her grandfather (must be long ago dead) sounds so much like he was
doing an Arnold Schwartzenegger voice that it was fun for me just for that
reason. <bwg>

I read the book too, as a kid, and enjoyed the descriptions of the scenes
with Peter and the goats and their lunches (bread and cheese wrapped in cloth,
mostly), but it was a lot of reading and I didn't like the sadness and
confusion.

Sandra


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Robyn Coburn

<<<<<I read it as a kid and I think I remember her popping her finger off
and giving it to a baby to play with (and growing another one? Did the
baby end up keeping the first one? Gross! >>>>>

That's the horrible mean-to-her-daughters apparently immortal witch from the
candy store - she broke off two fingers and they became barley sugar for the
babies, then sold them some ginger bread. Later Mary steals the kids' gold
paper stars from the wrappers, which they had been collecting (just
appalling behavior!) in order to help Mrs. Corry and her dd's to glue them
to the sky. You know the more I think about it, the more I wonder if the
writer was tripping IYKWIM.

<<<<I read the book too, as a kid, and enjoyed the descriptions of the
scenes
with Peter and the goats and their lunches (bread and cheese wrapped in
cloth,
mostly), but it was a lot of reading and I didn't like the sadness and
confusion.>>>>

My copies were some of the first books I was given that were just mine, not
my mothers. The dust covers are beautiful luminous paintings, and my
editions have some gorgeous colored frontpieces, and then line drawings
interspersed that are really sweet in that "Dick and Jane" kind of style.

I think I related to the idea of living with grandparents, as I often went
to stay with mine and it was a great relief to be there.

Robyn L. Coburn

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In a message dated 6/27/2005 2:14:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dezigna@... writes:
The author of the "Anne of Green Gables" series also wrote a series about an
aspiring writer named Emily -"Emily of New Moon", "Emily's Quest" and "Emily
Climbs". It has been about 15 years since I last read my mother's copies but
I remember it being similar to the Anne books in tone - perhaps with a
little more sadness woven into the stories in places.
******

OOOh, OOOh- I loved these books as a girl. Emily has a few psychic powers
and enjoys journaling. I was inspired to start "jimmybooks" of my own. She
was my heroine back then. I still have the books somewhere- I'll have to read
them again and see how I feel now. I also remember a big tragedy and regret
theme, stuff I was drawn to as a melancholic, and melodramatic pre-teener.


Kirsten (4/73)- mom to 3 sons: Skyler (5/96), Aric (5/97), and Sawyer (3/99),
wife to Carl (5/72)


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Jordan

>>>>I read the book too, as a kid, and enjoyed the descriptions of the
scenes
with Peter and the goats and their lunches (bread and cheese wrapped in
cloth,
mostly), but it was a lot of reading and I didn't like the sadness and
confusion.

Sandra<<<<

Heidi is my favorite childhood book�and I also loved the �food� parts. I
credit �Heidi� with my love of cookbooks, and other books with vividly
descriptive food passages. I even admit my addiction to �culinary
mysteries�, especially the ones with recipes included.

Tami, who is currently snacking on leftover Chinese grilled chicken mixed
with leftover roasted potatoes. Not vivid or descriptive, but yummy!




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Pam Sorooshian

On Jun 27, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Jordan wrote:

> Heidi is my favorite childhood book—and I also loved the “food” parts.

So did I. Even thinking about it makes me want to go eat thick slices
of bread with butter and cheese.

-pam

starwarsmum

We love the Sarah, Plain and Tall series. Has anyone seen the movie?
Is it any good?

We're currently reading Pippi Longstocking and my son loves it. That
would have been a good TV series.

Amy

arcarpenter2003

--- In [email protected], Pam Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:

> So did I. Even thinking about it makes me want to go eat thick slices
> of bread with butter and cheese.

Toasted over the open fire at dinner, with goats' milk to wash it
down, right?

I'm going to have to read that again, just to see how the author
created that sensory memory of something I don't believe I've actually
ever eaten -- not in exactly the way described.

Mmmmmm.

Peace,
Amy

Shields

I just watched the Sarah, Plain and Tall set of three DVD's from our
library. It came in one box with 2 discs and lasted for probably 6 hours.
It took me a whole day to watch what with the interruptions. Unfortunately
neither kid (ages 10 and 12) wanted to watch it, but I really enjoyed it.
Glenn Close is Sarah and is wonderful of course.

Pippi was made into a tv series and then those episodes were compiled into a
movie (probably made for tv, I can't remember). Anyway, those DVD's just
showed up at our library too and we watched the first set of the tv series.
My son loved them!

Also, Astrid Lindgren wrote some other stories that are really good about
the Children of Noisy Village. These really fit into the category of
earnest books. Stories of children growing up in Sweden and their very
normal, everyday lives- going to school, playing on the farm, holidays.
These were also made into movies that we have on video and we all love so
much. We watch them very frequently and they are so comforting. There is
one that takes place in the summer and one in the fall, winter and spring.
I love the holiday scenes. They were originally in Swedish, so are dubbed
into English, but we love them anyway. This is the Amazon link.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-4170986-3357449

Kristin


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We love the Sarah, Plain and Tall series. Has anyone seen the movie?
Is it any good?

We're currently reading Pippi Longstocking and my son loves it. That
would have been a good TV series.

Amy


[email protected]

In a message dated 6/28/05 9:17:36 AM, shields@... writes:


> the Children of Noisy Village. 
>

FUNNY review.

-=- The story would delight any child, but the dubbing is terrible!
I found it to be offensive. It would be much better if the video was in
Swedish with English subtitles.
-=-

One mom said her 4-8 year olds loved it and wanted to see it again.

It's so funny that someone would think it would be better for little kids to
have to read or have it read to them, than to "endure" terrible dubbing.
What do little kids care about technicalities like that!?

I'm going to get it for me and Holly. It's out of print, so the copies
available are used.

Sandra


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Shields

Sorry, I meant to check this earlier, but was rather busy this morning. We
bought our copies from FUN Books many years ago and it looks like they still
have them as new copies. A combined price for the two videos (Children of
Noisy Village and More from the Children of Noisy Village) of $29.95. Good
deal! PS. I don't mind the dubbing at all and the kids don't even notice
it!

http://www.fun-books.com/storytelling.htm#Astrid_Lindgren

Kristin

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From: [email protected] \
> the Children of Noisy Village. 
>

FUNNY review.

-=- The story would delight any child, but the dubbing is terrible!
I found it to be offensive. It would be much better if the video was in
Swedish with English subtitles.
-=-

One mom said her 4-8 year olds loved it and wanted to see it again.

It's so funny that someone would think it would be better for little kids to

have to read or have it read to them, than to "endure" terrible dubbing.
What do little kids care about technicalities like that!?

I'm going to get it for me and Holly. It's out of print, so the copies
available are used.

Sandra

gbdawson

These have meant a great deal to me. I read all of them when I was a
child; I'm in my late 40s now and I continue to re-read them,
cherishing the wisdom, courage, and hope that I find in them.


Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm by Kate Douglas Wiggin (search for the
edition with the Helen Mason Grose illustrations)

All of a Kind Family by Sydney Taylor

Charlotte's Web by E.B. White


Gail Dawson

arcarpenter2003

--- In [email protected], "gbdawson"
<gdawson22824@y...> wrote:

> Charlotte's Web by E.B. White==

I also loved _The Trumpet of the Swan_ by E.B. White. I found the boy
(Sam) who was learning to walk as quietly as an Indian (Native
American) fascinating, and Louis the swan's adventures in a Boston
hotel gave this country girl a lot to think about. I had never heard
of watercress sandwiches before I read this book.

Peace,
Amy

Pam Sorooshian

Cheaper by the Dozen

-pam

On Jun 28, 2005, at 4:28 PM, arcarpenter2003 wrote:

> --- In [email protected], "gbdawson"
> <gdawson22824@y...> wrote:
>
>> Charlotte's Web by E.B. White==
>
> I also loved _The Trumpet of the Swan_ by E.B. White. I found the boy
> (Sam) who was learning to walk as quietly as an Indian (Native
> American) fascinating, and Louis the swan's adventures in a Boston
> hotel gave this country girl a lot to think about. I had never heard
> of watercress sandwiches before I read this book.
>
> Peace,
> Amy
>
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>
>
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Sylvia Toyama

Cheaper by the Dozen

-pam

*****

I remember this book -- really pretty funny. The parents were a little strange, and James Thurber makes it a sweet story. The part that's always stayed with me was the father's theory on how to find the most efficient and time-saving way to get a job done (the father was a time-saving engineer or some such title). His method was to ask the lazy workers, on the premise that the lazy person has already found the quickest, easiest way to get his work done so he can get back to being lazy. The way it was presented, laziness was a virtue and finding a way to have more free time on one's hands was an enviable thing.

Sylvia


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my bad -- I don't know why I was thinking Cheaper by The Dozen is by James Thurber! It's by Frank Gailbraith. Okay, so high school was way too many years ago!

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Shields

< Cheaper by the Dozen>

That's one of my all-time favorites! I read it many, many times as a kid
and was pleased to see a sequel several years ago (Belles on Their Toes).
There is the original movie of the first book which was pretty good. I
wasn't too thrilled with the movie version of the sequel and the new Cheaper
by the Dozen movie with Steve Martin (many of whose movies I do love) has
nothing to do with the book at all except for the 12 kids. Growing up I
was really fascinated with the idea of motion study and efficiency in work
places. I was always trying to see how I could do things more efficiently.
I also loved the descriptions about listening to language records in the
bathtub and star charts and stuff on the walls.

Kristin

Robyn Coburn

<<<< Cheaper by the Dozen >>>>

The Myrna Loy or the Bonnie Hunt/Steve Martin?

Or something else?

Robyn L. Coburn



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AlysonRR

Seeing the name Sam and Native American reminds me of "My Side of the
Mountain" and other books by Jean Craighead George that would fit in
this "earnest" category.

Alyson



I also loved _The Trumpet of the Swan_ by E.B. White. I found the boy
(Sam) who was learning to walk as quietly as an Indian (Native
American) fascinating, and Louis the swan's adventures in a Boston
hotel gave this country girl a lot to think about. I had never heard
of watercress sandwiches before I read this book.

Peace,
Amy


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In a message dated 6/29/2005 1:31:40 AM Central Standard Time,
sylgt04@... writes:

The part that's always stayed with me was the father's theory on how to find
the most efficient and time-saving way to get a job done


~~~

I love the part about when he had to demonstrate his method of a 5 minute
bath!

Karen


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Pam Sorooshian

On Jun 29, 2005, at 12:00 AM, Robyn Coburn wrote:

> <<<< Cheaper by the Dozen >>>>
>
> The Myrna Loy or the Bonnie Hunt/Steve Martin?
>
> Or something else?

It is a true story. The book is by two of the kids, themselves - Frank
B. Gilbreth and Ernestine Gilbreth Carey.

The Steve Martin movie has almost nothing to do with the book - kind of
a travesty that it even had the same title.

The older movie with Myrna Loy is very sweet and true to the book in
story and style.

The sequel, Belles on their Toes, is just as good as the first book and
there is also a movie version of that - also with Myrna Loy and, as a
bonus, their cook is played by Hoagie Carmichael who performs several
times in the movie.

And, just because EVERYTHING in life is connected to musical theater
(well, it is if you live at my house), there is a Broadway musical
currently in the works based on Hoagie Charmichael's music.

-pam

hestiashearth3

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/28/05 9:17:36 AM, shields@o... writes:
>
>
> > the Children of Noisy Village. 
> >
>
>
>There is also a Ready-for-Chapters series called The Children on
Troublemaker Street. It stars Lotta a little spitfire my youngest ds
loves! (also by Astrid Lindgren)

Other books in the *earnest* catagory we have loved are:

The Moomintrolls (a series) by Tove Jansson

The three tales of *My Father's Dragon* by Ruth Gannet

The Wheel On The School by Meindert DeJong

The Wind Boy by Ethel Cook Eliot

Stories by Dick King-Smith (we especially love Sophie)


Many Blessings,
Traci
Mom to Ryan(15) Jake(12) Justin(9)

Robyn Coburn

<<<<The Steve Martin movie has almost nothing to do with the book - kind of
a travesty that it even had the same title.

The older movie with Myrna Loy is very sweet and true to the book in
story and style.

The sequel, Belles on their Toes,>>>>

I was also disappointed in the SM picture - even without the comparisons to
the originals, it was not a good movie.

I had not known about the book, however, so that is interesting, and I might
search it out when the pile beside my pillow is not about 17 books as it is
now (not counting the books I am reading for Jayn).

Robyn L. Coburn

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Shields

I know that Chinaberry (http://www.chinaberry.com/ )has The Wheel on the
School as well as The Wind Boy on audio tapes (maybe cd too). It's worth
looking into them if you have a kid who loves audio. I have one who will
listen to any story, loves to read too, but she listens to audio books for
hours on a daily basis. You might also find audio books available for the
others. I listened to The Wheel on the School and loved it too.

Other earnest books for older readers might be James Herriot's All Creatures
Great and Small series which is also available on video as the BBC
television series. You just have to get used to the Scottish accents.
Kristin

K Krejci

Well, it's not a book but shows up on TV and in
theater productions -

You Can't Take It with You

has to be one of my all-time favorites! I even had
the pleasure of sound designing a production for our
community theater. I think it's wonderful fun!

Kathy

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> done
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A few more books:

Jacob Have I Loved by Katherine Paterson

The Hundred Dresses by Eleanor Estes

Plain Girl by Virginia Sorenson (orig. published 1955, about an Amish
girl who is forced to attend public school -- accurate references to
compulsory education issues in Pennsylvania at that time).

Shabanu: Daughter of the Wind by Suzanne Fisher Staples

A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle

The Golden Compass by Philip Pullman

I'm seeing a pattern in my reading--strong-willed young women who
persevere and remain true to who they are, in the face of difficult
circumstances. I think the label 'earnest' is a good one; I don't
think any of these books are at all preachy.

Gail Dawson

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Our library has the video for this...it's foreign made, and the talking
doesn't fit the actor's, but it's a very cute movie...very sweet, beautiful
images. Lots of really historic settings. We really like it!

Nancy B.


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