Kirby starts classes tomorrow
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Tomorrow, Kirby starts college. It's a small start, and it might be a short
start, or he might go on to get a PhD and teach at some university.
Gloriously for us all, I neither know (nor could anyone else who might claim surety
about their kids' plans) nor care. Any way it turns out is fine.
There's a community college here called TVI (Technical Vocational
Institute). It does lots of certificate programs and associates' degrees kinds of
things, but has arts and sciences, too, calibrated to transfer to the University
of New Mexico (also in town) and other state schools.
Kirby will be taking English 101
Math 99 (not college credit)
and CSE 100 (not for credit, and an interesting thing)
So the English will be writing. I'll let you know how that goes. He first
tested two points too low on one of the tests. These details are boring and
I promise not to write anything else interesting below this, so anyone who
doesn't care can bail now.
As he hadn't taken a GED and had no high school grades, but is 18, he took
the Accuplacer tests, which are given in a little computer testing room. He
had never taken "real" tests like this, nothing but the driver's ed tests.
On November 16 he got these scores:
77 Reading Comprehension
41 Arithmetic
86 Sentence skills.
The test-report-generated note says "Your Sentence Skills score is high
enough for English 101 but you also need a Reading score of 80 or completion of
Reading 101 or equivalent. To place into English 101, you need a Reading
score of 80 or above. You hve the option of retaking the Reading test."
I wanted him to be getting college credit in something, so I suggested he
retake it. He was willing, but in no hurry.
At the time he was wanting to transfer to New Mexico State in Las Cruces
(near El Paso, five hours away), but he has since changed his mind, for which
I'm glad.
On December 13 he took the reading test again, with no preparation other
than the experience of having taken the test before. It didn't have the same
items so it wasn't a straight repeat. He scored 105.
So I don't know what the highest possible scores are on those tests, but
he's in English 101, with never a writing class, having learned what he knows
from just reading and goofing, writing to friends on the internet, being in a
talking, reading family.
If they have to write by hand, he will have a steep learning curve. If
everything is turned in from computer-entry, he should do okay.
Math is just some remedial math. Not their lowest level, either.
The catalog shows
Math 092, Math Anxiety
Math 094, Introduction to Calculators
Math 096 Special topics in developmental math
Math 097 Basic Mathematics
Math 099 Basic College Mathematics
Then there are three more, 100A, 100B, 100, all algebra, also
pre-college-credit level.
So depending how he does in 99, he might be able to test into "real" for
credit math, 121/algebra, next time if he's interested. Or he might just go on
to the also-non-credit 100 level stuff.
The third class is called College Success Experience, and is about how to
take notes and tests, how to study, how to schedule one's time to do well in
school. What I find fascinating is that it's 45 theory hours and 15 lab hours.
Theory and lab. Huh.
I certainly hope it involves his other two classes and that they haven't
just made up some 60 hours of make-work, seat-work, busy-work, practice stuff.
It gives me the creeps to think about it.
But on the up side, he will be taking this class with others who DID go to
school and didn't figure these things out on their own. So he'll learn a lot
about what he knows, and that's pretty cool.
We paid tuition for the English class, but the other two are
gratis/tax-supported. The books cost $180 for three classes. Irritating, but so it goes.
At this point his potential plan is to go to UNM someday and that's in town,
so fine.
We'll just see how it goes. I'll ask him if he wants me to remind him about
homework or not. When I was his age I was a full time university sophomore,
living away from home, my parents had divorced and I lived at school in the
dorm, and visited one or the other parent on weekends in smaller houses I
hadn't ever lived in. It was a stress fest. My experience won't be like his at
all, so I'm trying to see it as a completely different thing, not to be
regarded or compared.
Sandra
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start, or he might go on to get a PhD and teach at some university.
Gloriously for us all, I neither know (nor could anyone else who might claim surety
about their kids' plans) nor care. Any way it turns out is fine.
There's a community college here called TVI (Technical Vocational
Institute). It does lots of certificate programs and associates' degrees kinds of
things, but has arts and sciences, too, calibrated to transfer to the University
of New Mexico (also in town) and other state schools.
Kirby will be taking English 101
Math 99 (not college credit)
and CSE 100 (not for credit, and an interesting thing)
So the English will be writing. I'll let you know how that goes. He first
tested two points too low on one of the tests. These details are boring and
I promise not to write anything else interesting below this, so anyone who
doesn't care can bail now.
As he hadn't taken a GED and had no high school grades, but is 18, he took
the Accuplacer tests, which are given in a little computer testing room. He
had never taken "real" tests like this, nothing but the driver's ed tests.
On November 16 he got these scores:
77 Reading Comprehension
41 Arithmetic
86 Sentence skills.
The test-report-generated note says "Your Sentence Skills score is high
enough for English 101 but you also need a Reading score of 80 or completion of
Reading 101 or equivalent. To place into English 101, you need a Reading
score of 80 or above. You hve the option of retaking the Reading test."
I wanted him to be getting college credit in something, so I suggested he
retake it. He was willing, but in no hurry.
At the time he was wanting to transfer to New Mexico State in Las Cruces
(near El Paso, five hours away), but he has since changed his mind, for which
I'm glad.
On December 13 he took the reading test again, with no preparation other
than the experience of having taken the test before. It didn't have the same
items so it wasn't a straight repeat. He scored 105.
So I don't know what the highest possible scores are on those tests, but
he's in English 101, with never a writing class, having learned what he knows
from just reading and goofing, writing to friends on the internet, being in a
talking, reading family.
If they have to write by hand, he will have a steep learning curve. If
everything is turned in from computer-entry, he should do okay.
Math is just some remedial math. Not their lowest level, either.
The catalog shows
Math 092, Math Anxiety
Math 094, Introduction to Calculators
Math 096 Special topics in developmental math
Math 097 Basic Mathematics
Math 099 Basic College Mathematics
Then there are three more, 100A, 100B, 100, all algebra, also
pre-college-credit level.
So depending how he does in 99, he might be able to test into "real" for
credit math, 121/algebra, next time if he's interested. Or he might just go on
to the also-non-credit 100 level stuff.
The third class is called College Success Experience, and is about how to
take notes and tests, how to study, how to schedule one's time to do well in
school. What I find fascinating is that it's 45 theory hours and 15 lab hours.
Theory and lab. Huh.
I certainly hope it involves his other two classes and that they haven't
just made up some 60 hours of make-work, seat-work, busy-work, practice stuff.
It gives me the creeps to think about it.
But on the up side, he will be taking this class with others who DID go to
school and didn't figure these things out on their own. So he'll learn a lot
about what he knows, and that's pretty cool.
We paid tuition for the English class, but the other two are
gratis/tax-supported. The books cost $180 for three classes. Irritating, but so it goes.
At this point his potential plan is to go to UNM someday and that's in town,
so fine.
We'll just see how it goes. I'll ask him if he wants me to remind him about
homework or not. When I was his age I was a full time university sophomore,
living away from home, my parents had divorced and I lived at school in the
dorm, and visited one or the other parent on weekends in smaller houses I
hadn't ever lived in. It was a stress fest. My experience won't be like his at
all, so I'm trying to see it as a completely different thing, not to be
regarded or compared.
Sandra
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Julie Bogart
Thank you for posting all the boring details.
May I ask how he came to the decision to go to college at all? Is he excited about it?
Nervous? What are his reasons for going?
And what do you think of college after all these years of unschooling? What value do you
expect/hope it will add to Kirby's life?
different places during my college years. I stayed at school during breaks except for three
day visits to my mom's. I went to Thanksgiving at friends'.
I appreciate you sharing what Kirby is doing.
Noah is working (he's 17) and is working hard in a Shakespeare cast. He's got this amazing
part and is being directed by professional actors with exposure to some of the highest
quality professors of theater in our conservatory of the arts here in Cinci. Yesterday as he
shared with me all he's learning, I just thought again what a difference it is to learn, rather
than to study.
Your reports encourage me, so thanks for giving them.
Julie
May I ask how he came to the decision to go to college at all? Is he excited about it?
Nervous? What are his reasons for going?
And what do you think of college after all these years of unschooling? What value do you
expect/hope it will add to Kirby's life?
> We'll just see how it goes. I'll ask him if he wants me to remind him aboutI had the same experience except I never visited my father and my mother lived in three
> homework or not. When I was his age I was a full time university sophomore,
> living away from home, my parents had divorced and I lived at school in the
> dorm, and visited one or the other parent on weekends in smaller houses I
> hadn't ever lived in. It was a stress fest. My experience won't be like his at
> all, so I'm trying to see it as a completely different thing, not to be
> regarded or compared.
>
different places during my college years. I stayed at school during breaks except for three
day visits to my mom's. I went to Thanksgiving at friends'.
I appreciate you sharing what Kirby is doing.
Noah is working (he's 17) and is working hard in a Shakespeare cast. He's got this amazing
part and is being directed by professional actors with exposure to some of the highest
quality professors of theater in our conservatory of the arts here in Cinci. Yesterday as he
shared with me all he's learning, I just thought again what a difference it is to learn, rather
than to study.
Your reports encourage me, so thanks for giving them.
Julie
lindamariesmith2003
Sandra
Thank you for posting that! My son and I were just looking at a
community college website and talking about the different options.
He scrunched up his face when he read that he'd have to take the
Accuplacer but I just read him your email and he has a different
perspective now, much more positive. I wasnt sure if they would
let him re-take a test if he scored too low and we've never really
talked to an unschooler that made this kind of move.
Thanks again!
Linda
Thank you for posting that! My son and I were just looking at a
community college website and talking about the different options.
He scrunched up his face when he read that he'd have to take the
Accuplacer but I just read him your email and he has a different
perspective now, much more positive. I wasnt sure if they would
let him re-take a test if he scored too low and we've never really
talked to an unschooler that made this kind of move.
Thanks again!
Linda
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In a message dated 1/9/2005 12:40:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
julie@... writes:
May I ask how he came to the decision to go to college at all? Is he excited
about it?
Nervous? What are his reasons for going?
----------------------------
Pressure from his boss (whom, I suspect, might've been subtly trying to get
rid of him <g>), partly. More than that, friends (some of the girls in the
group he went to the Los Alamos prom with) saying "Oh you *have* to come to
state and hang around with us." And another former co-worker, Ryan, who's 22
or so and was going to state. That was another lure.
But last fall Kirby went down there to stay with those girls (sophomores)
for three days and go to classes with them. He hung out with Ryan some and
with the girls some. He liked the biology class. Didn't understand a word in
the chemistry class. Went with them to their 'office hours' (where they tutor
freshmen who're having a hard time in math or science).
When he got back he just didn't like them as much anymore. He was coming to
think they were boring, maybe a little shallow. He went with them to their
martial arts class where there were belt tests for younger kids. Later he
critiqued the tests, saying he thought they were too intimidating and not
encouraging for young kids, and that where he studies the tests are done more
gently. The girls didn't get it.
That was the week Halo II came out. He told them it was the biggest event
to date in video gaming. They didn't get it; thought he was silly.
Ryan moved back after this semester and will be entering the air force in
six months or so. So the allure of New Mexico State had faded.
Meanwhile, though, he had kind of liked the feeling and the feedback he was
getting when he said he was thinking of going to college. And we had talked
him into taking a couple of classes here to see if he even liked it, and to
be near so Keith and I could help him if he wanted help.
-=-Is he excited about it?
Nervous? -=-
Calm as with all things, it seems.
-=-And what do you think of college after all these years of unschooling? -=-
When he went to driver's ed at 16 I felt like it was his first day of
school. Now tomorrow feels like his first day of school. That's how I feel about
him going. The way I feel about it in general is that most who are there are
going to shut some adult up, or to get some government benefit or other, or
to continue to qualify for health insurance (which can qualify under the
first two reasons too), and that dilutes the quality of the experience for
everyone. But I think that tradition goes back at least a thousand years too.
Eleventh century dad: "You need to stop just hanging around, and start
going to work with your brother, or go to the Crusades or something."
Eleventh century 18 year old: "But Daaa--ad, I really want to go to the
University of Paris with my fri---ends" (meaning I don't want to go into
business or join the crusades).
I don't know.
-=- What value do you expect/hope it will add to Kirby's life?-=-
I expect that he will feel pretty good about himself when he sees that he's
ahead in some ways of people who went to school for all the 12 or 13 years
they thought they had to go or else the world wouldn't turn right or they would
be illiterate criminals. He probably kind of knows that, but here come some
measuring moments. I don't expect grades or scores to form his self esteem
or personal image at this point.
I hope he will meet some people he likes (not that he needs more friends,
but he might meet some who introduce him to new ideas outside of the gaming and
fantasy field, which isn't a bad field, and I hope they don't introduce him
to the drugs and alcohol fields, but if he wanted that he could be doing it
already).
I hope he will discover anthropology. (Totally selfish on that one. <g>)
I hope he will find many clarifying moments, whether about how people are,
how life is, or the value of his own ideas in the face of prescribed "right
answers" in writing style or literary commentary or mathematical thought.
Maybe he'll discover some academic field that really intrigues him.
Maybe he'll go into hotel and restaurant management.
Maybe he'll just learn enough to know what formal classroom learning is like
and decide he doesn't like it.
I don't know.
Sandra
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julie@... writes:
May I ask how he came to the decision to go to college at all? Is he excited
about it?
Nervous? What are his reasons for going?
----------------------------
Pressure from his boss (whom, I suspect, might've been subtly trying to get
rid of him <g>), partly. More than that, friends (some of the girls in the
group he went to the Los Alamos prom with) saying "Oh you *have* to come to
state and hang around with us." And another former co-worker, Ryan, who's 22
or so and was going to state. That was another lure.
But last fall Kirby went down there to stay with those girls (sophomores)
for three days and go to classes with them. He hung out with Ryan some and
with the girls some. He liked the biology class. Didn't understand a word in
the chemistry class. Went with them to their 'office hours' (where they tutor
freshmen who're having a hard time in math or science).
When he got back he just didn't like them as much anymore. He was coming to
think they were boring, maybe a little shallow. He went with them to their
martial arts class where there were belt tests for younger kids. Later he
critiqued the tests, saying he thought they were too intimidating and not
encouraging for young kids, and that where he studies the tests are done more
gently. The girls didn't get it.
That was the week Halo II came out. He told them it was the biggest event
to date in video gaming. They didn't get it; thought he was silly.
Ryan moved back after this semester and will be entering the air force in
six months or so. So the allure of New Mexico State had faded.
Meanwhile, though, he had kind of liked the feeling and the feedback he was
getting when he said he was thinking of going to college. And we had talked
him into taking a couple of classes here to see if he even liked it, and to
be near so Keith and I could help him if he wanted help.
-=-Is he excited about it?
Nervous? -=-
Calm as with all things, it seems.
-=-And what do you think of college after all these years of unschooling? -=-
When he went to driver's ed at 16 I felt like it was his first day of
school. Now tomorrow feels like his first day of school. That's how I feel about
him going. The way I feel about it in general is that most who are there are
going to shut some adult up, or to get some government benefit or other, or
to continue to qualify for health insurance (which can qualify under the
first two reasons too), and that dilutes the quality of the experience for
everyone. But I think that tradition goes back at least a thousand years too.
Eleventh century dad: "You need to stop just hanging around, and start
going to work with your brother, or go to the Crusades or something."
Eleventh century 18 year old: "But Daaa--ad, I really want to go to the
University of Paris with my fri---ends" (meaning I don't want to go into
business or join the crusades).
I don't know.
-=- What value do you expect/hope it will add to Kirby's life?-=-
I expect that he will feel pretty good about himself when he sees that he's
ahead in some ways of people who went to school for all the 12 or 13 years
they thought they had to go or else the world wouldn't turn right or they would
be illiterate criminals. He probably kind of knows that, but here come some
measuring moments. I don't expect grades or scores to form his self esteem
or personal image at this point.
I hope he will meet some people he likes (not that he needs more friends,
but he might meet some who introduce him to new ideas outside of the gaming and
fantasy field, which isn't a bad field, and I hope they don't introduce him
to the drugs and alcohol fields, but if he wanted that he could be doing it
already).
I hope he will discover anthropology. (Totally selfish on that one. <g>)
I hope he will find many clarifying moments, whether about how people are,
how life is, or the value of his own ideas in the face of prescribed "right
answers" in writing style or literary commentary or mathematical thought.
Maybe he'll discover some academic field that really intrigues him.
Maybe he'll go into hotel and restaurant management.
Maybe he'll just learn enough to know what formal classroom learning is like
and decide he doesn't like it.
I don't know.
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/9/2005 1:08:06 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
daveandlindasmith@... writes:
I just read him your email and he has a different
perspective now, much more positive.
------------
WOW!
I wasn't thinking it was going to be very helpful to anyone so I'm glad it
might be.
I said his boss might be trying to get rid of him. I think it's jealousy.
The gaming shop is owned by a woman. Her husband helps manage it, but he's
irritating and Kirby doesn't like working with him much. I think maybe just
as power play and puff-uppery (puffery? <g>) the guy started in on Kirby
lately saying "You have to go to college." And at first he had Kirby kinda
spooked and nervous, but I called his bluff and said something like "Tell Glen
if he wants to take you down there and get you signed up to go ahead, but I'd
rather wait until YOU want to go instead of going by age, and Glen has no
idea what he's talking about." (Because it made me grouchy that Glen would
intimidate Kirby.)
But lately there was another of those stories. Glen the boss's husband went
to Gencon (big gaming convention. Kirby went too! Kirby was there for
three solid days (opted out of day 4 to go to Disneyland with his siblings and
two of Pam Sorooshian's kids). Kirby never saw Glen once. Turns out Glen was
(he says) there for a while on Saturday.
Hmmm....
Had Kirby not been there, I'm sure Glen would be posturing and posing about
who all he saw and how much he learned. As it is, though, Kirby learned
several new games, picked up some sample stuff and much news, and so... one
more thing to run Kirby off about. <g>
Probably Glen's trip to California will be a business expense. That's okay.
I just wish he would display some appreciation for Kirby. Other people at
work like Kirby. (Oh! another thing to be jealous about!)
Side story, but that's okay. Kirby works and hangs around with some people
who have college degrees, and some who never went, and some who went for a
while and might or might not go back. He already knows it's not what makes a
person whole or good.
Sandra
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daveandlindasmith@... writes:
I just read him your email and he has a different
perspective now, much more positive.
------------
WOW!
I wasn't thinking it was going to be very helpful to anyone so I'm glad it
might be.
I said his boss might be trying to get rid of him. I think it's jealousy.
The gaming shop is owned by a woman. Her husband helps manage it, but he's
irritating and Kirby doesn't like working with him much. I think maybe just
as power play and puff-uppery (puffery? <g>) the guy started in on Kirby
lately saying "You have to go to college." And at first he had Kirby kinda
spooked and nervous, but I called his bluff and said something like "Tell Glen
if he wants to take you down there and get you signed up to go ahead, but I'd
rather wait until YOU want to go instead of going by age, and Glen has no
idea what he's talking about." (Because it made me grouchy that Glen would
intimidate Kirby.)
But lately there was another of those stories. Glen the boss's husband went
to Gencon (big gaming convention. Kirby went too! Kirby was there for
three solid days (opted out of day 4 to go to Disneyland with his siblings and
two of Pam Sorooshian's kids). Kirby never saw Glen once. Turns out Glen was
(he says) there for a while on Saturday.
Hmmm....
Had Kirby not been there, I'm sure Glen would be posturing and posing about
who all he saw and how much he learned. As it is, though, Kirby learned
several new games, picked up some sample stuff and much news, and so... one
more thing to run Kirby off about. <g>
Probably Glen's trip to California will be a business expense. That's okay.
I just wish he would display some appreciation for Kirby. Other people at
work like Kirby. (Oh! another thing to be jealous about!)
Side story, but that's okay. Kirby works and hangs around with some people
who have college degrees, and some who never went, and some who went for a
while and might or might not go back. He already knows it's not what makes a
person whole or good.
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/9/2005 3:06:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
I hope he will meet some people he likes (not that he needs more friends,
but he might meet some who introduce him to new ideas <<<<
Cameron's met someone like this. Brian. Brian's 26. He and his mom live in a
nearby hotel (cheaper than a house/apt. with TV, cable, phone, computer
hook-up, mini-kitchen, and daily maid service! <g>). Mom works at the
university---cleaning, I think. Brian plays the violin. He plays during the day at
high-end grocery stores and at night at restaurants.
He and Cameron share a love of music and are each broadening the other's
musical tastes (Brian is a little bit classical; Cameron's a little bit rock &
roll! <g>). They're both fiddling (hah!) around with jazz, blue grass, and
celtic sounds too. But that's just where it starts. Brian and Cameron talk
philosophy a lot. Politics. Religion. They have very different backgrounds---but
at the same time, they have a lot in common.
Brian challenges Cameron a lot and makes him think. Not in a teacherly-way,
but in a deep-thinking-look-at-all-sides-what-do-you-think kind of way. It's
been so good for Cameron.
Brian's very up-beat, charming, smart----with a killer smile. You can tell
he loves life and makes the most of each day. I'm tickled he and Cameron found
each other.
Meeting people with differing views and different backgrounds---college was
a good place for that---for me, anyway. Especially my year in Vienna,
Austria. Learning more about myself and seeing how things work in another part of
the world, meeting *very* different people and finding out that we have a lot
more in common than I thought---that was big. And seeing that some
countries/people do things *better* than we do----wow! <g>
Cam's finding people like this at 16 because he's out in the world NOW. He's
visiting his 22 year old cousin who's in college this weekend; she's at the
College of Charleston. He'll get to meet a few of her college friends---hang
out and do "college-y" things.
I love when he goes away like this: he comes home markedly more aware and
mature and at ease. Not to mention excited about what he's learned/experienced.
I hope Kirby has some really good experiences and meets some interesting
people!
~Kelly
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SandraDodd@... writes:
I hope he will meet some people he likes (not that he needs more friends,
but he might meet some who introduce him to new ideas <<<<
Cameron's met someone like this. Brian. Brian's 26. He and his mom live in a
nearby hotel (cheaper than a house/apt. with TV, cable, phone, computer
hook-up, mini-kitchen, and daily maid service! <g>). Mom works at the
university---cleaning, I think. Brian plays the violin. He plays during the day at
high-end grocery stores and at night at restaurants.
He and Cameron share a love of music and are each broadening the other's
musical tastes (Brian is a little bit classical; Cameron's a little bit rock &
roll! <g>). They're both fiddling (hah!) around with jazz, blue grass, and
celtic sounds too. But that's just where it starts. Brian and Cameron talk
philosophy a lot. Politics. Religion. They have very different backgrounds---but
at the same time, they have a lot in common.
Brian challenges Cameron a lot and makes him think. Not in a teacherly-way,
but in a deep-thinking-look-at-all-sides-what-do-you-think kind of way. It's
been so good for Cameron.
Brian's very up-beat, charming, smart----with a killer smile. You can tell
he loves life and makes the most of each day. I'm tickled he and Cameron found
each other.
Meeting people with differing views and different backgrounds---college was
a good place for that---for me, anyway. Especially my year in Vienna,
Austria. Learning more about myself and seeing how things work in another part of
the world, meeting *very* different people and finding out that we have a lot
more in common than I thought---that was big. And seeing that some
countries/people do things *better* than we do----wow! <g>
Cam's finding people like this at 16 because he's out in the world NOW. He's
visiting his 22 year old cousin who's in college this weekend; she's at the
College of Charleston. He'll get to meet a few of her college friends---hang
out and do "college-y" things.
I love when he goes away like this: he comes home markedly more aware and
mature and at ease. Not to mention excited about what he's learned/experienced.
I hope Kirby has some really good experiences and meets some interesting
people!
~Kelly
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MomtoLJ
SandraDodd@... wrote:
some friends went there...
I didn't fail was the instructor, as she felt sorry for me, I was really
working hard. I took it a 2nd time, even though I didn't have to do so,
and managed a B, getting a 100% on the final core exam. I worked hard
to get that score though...
Joylyn
>This is so wonderful!
>
> Tomorrow, Kirby starts college.
>I lived across from TVI for years and also my parents taught there and
> There's a community college here called TVI
some friends went there...
> These details are boringI thought it was interesting...
> As he hadn't taken a GED and had no high school grades, but is 18, heThis just shows how we don't need test after test to practice for a test.
> took
> the Accuplacer tests, which are given in a little computer testing
> room. He
> had never taken "real" tests like this, nothing but the driver's ed
> tests.
> 121/algebraI took this class twice. The first time I got a D- but the only reason
I didn't fail was the instructor, as she felt sorry for me, I was really
working hard. I took it a 2nd time, even though I didn't have to do so,
and managed a B, getting a 100% on the final core exam. I worked hard
to get that score though...
Joylyn
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/9/05 4:21:42 PM, joylyn1@... writes:
<< > There's a community college here called TVI
I lived across from TVI for years and also my parents taught there and
some friends went there...
about 1/4 mile past where he works. VERY close to here.
-=This just shows how we don't need test after test to practice for a test.
-=-
True! And even if practice helps (as it seemed to), one can start practicing
at 18. <g>
Sandra
<< > There's a community college here called TVI
I lived across from TVI for years and also my parents taught there and
some friends went there...
>>He'll be going to the Montoya campus, near Juan Tabo and Montgomery. It's
about 1/4 mile past where he works. VERY close to here.
-=This just shows how we don't need test after test to practice for a test.
-=-
True! And even if practice helps (as it seemed to), one can start practicing
at 18. <g>
Sandra
jwvastine
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
mentioned several times! We were watching the DVD *Weather
Underground* last night. It was mentioned that Mark Rudd (Columbia
Univ sit-in 1967(?)and founding member of the Weathermen) teaches
math there. If you haven't seen the movie, it's well worth the
time. Of course, I grew up during those times and it was nice to
get other than the TV news view of the events. Especially
interesting was the interview with David Gilbert found in the
special selections.
Judy
>I had never heard of TVI before last night and now today I see it
> In a message dated 1/9/05 4:21:42 PM, joylyn1@c... writes:
>
> << > There's a community college here called TVI
>
mentioned several times! We were watching the DVD *Weather
Underground* last night. It was mentioned that Mark Rudd (Columbia
Univ sit-in 1967(?)and founding member of the Weathermen) teaches
math there. If you haven't seen the movie, it's well worth the
time. Of course, I grew up during those times and it was nice to
get other than the TV news view of the events. Especially
interesting was the interview with David Gilbert found in the
special selections.
Judy
[email protected]
I love when that happens. (-=-I had never heard of TVI before last night and now today I see it
mentioned several times!-=-)
mentioned several times!-=-)
lgbryk
We were watching the DVD *Weather
Underground* last night. It was mentioned that Mark Rudd (Columbia
Univ sit-in 1967(?)and founding member of the Weathermen) teaches
math there.
"don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" -- sorry it just came to me, a memory of the past.
Linda
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Underground* last night. It was mentioned that Mark Rudd (Columbia
Univ sit-in 1967(?)and founding member of the Weathermen) teaches
math there.
"don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" -- sorry it just came to me, a memory of the past.
Linda
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