cartoons and computer games
Ren Allen
"I am glad Elisa's tv watch/wait only lasted 6 months. Mine is going on
many, many years now. I am trying not to limit it, but it just gets
worse. How long do I wait."
You've never started. The waiting begins when you truly trust and let
go....you haven't done that yet, so you aren't going to see the same
results as someone like Elisa.
I went through a really hard adjustment in learning to TRUST fully.
I remember "trying" to allow them to choose television and just
getting all tetchy and frustrated when they seemed obsessed, so I
thought I needed to make little comments, or push them to get away
from it after a long time.
Doesn't work that way.
It wasn't until I saw television as valuable, until I saw my children
as capable, WHOLE, intelligent beings that didn't need coercion, until
I joined in WITH them and saw it as just another option in life that
we got the kind of results folks are talking about here.
Not only did I need to fully trust my children, they needed to trust
me. I had destroyed trust for many years by controlling television. It
took time before they knew I wasn't going to do that again.
You haven't waited years. You've not even begun the process.
Ren
many, many years now. I am trying not to limit it, but it just gets
worse. How long do I wait."
You've never started. The waiting begins when you truly trust and let
go....you haven't done that yet, so you aren't going to see the same
results as someone like Elisa.
I went through a really hard adjustment in learning to TRUST fully.
I remember "trying" to allow them to choose television and just
getting all tetchy and frustrated when they seemed obsessed, so I
thought I needed to make little comments, or push them to get away
from it after a long time.
Doesn't work that way.
It wasn't until I saw television as valuable, until I saw my children
as capable, WHOLE, intelligent beings that didn't need coercion, until
I joined in WITH them and saw it as just another option in life that
we got the kind of results folks are talking about here.
Not only did I need to fully trust my children, they needed to trust
me. I had destroyed trust for many years by controlling television. It
took time before they knew I wasn't going to do that again.
You haven't waited years. You've not even begun the process.
Ren
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...>
"I am glad Elisa's tv watch/wait only lasted 6 months. Mine is going
on
many, many years now. I am trying not to limit it, but it just gets
worse. How long do I wait."
You've never started. The waiting begins when you truly trust and let
go....you haven't done that yet, so you aren't going to see the same
results as someone like Elisa.
-=-=-=-=-
Ren's right. Have you heard the rule of thumb that it takes one month
for
each year of school or school-at-home of DEschooling before you can
consider
yourself UNschooling?
The trust has to be there FIRST. You have to believe this will work and
is right.
THEN you can start counting the months! <g>
*BUT* if you backtrack or make a snide comment or push a book or insist
on
a report or limit tv ----*ANY* violation of the child's trust in you
and this process---
start counting the months again.
So, no---you haven't even started yet.
-=-=-=-=-=-
I went through a really hard adjustment in learning to TRUST fully.
I remember "trying" to allow them to choose television and just
getting all tetchy and frustrated when they seemed obsessed, so I
thought I needed to make little comments, or push them to get away
from it after a long time.
Doesn't work that way.
It wasn't until I saw television as valuable, until I saw my children
as capable, WHOLE, intelligent beings that didn't need coercion, until
I joined in WITH them and saw it as just another option in life that
we got the kind of results folks are talking about here.
-=-=-=-
I SOOOOO wish that Ren's process was still in the archives at
unschooling.com!!!
To those of you shaking your heads at Kathy and wondering *how* it can
be this
hard, I did the same thing with Ren. She whined and bantered and
bitched and
argued and just made everyone crazy! <g>
She challenged every single unschooling issue. She fought every inch.
She was
exhausting! <BWG>
Suddenly, she got it. Now she's dangerous! <g> and fun! <g>
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
From: Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...>
"I am glad Elisa's tv watch/wait only lasted 6 months. Mine is going
on
many, many years now. I am trying not to limit it, but it just gets
worse. How long do I wait."
You've never started. The waiting begins when you truly trust and let
go....you haven't done that yet, so you aren't going to see the same
results as someone like Elisa.
-=-=-=-=-
Ren's right. Have you heard the rule of thumb that it takes one month
for
each year of school or school-at-home of DEschooling before you can
consider
yourself UNschooling?
The trust has to be there FIRST. You have to believe this will work and
is right.
THEN you can start counting the months! <g>
*BUT* if you backtrack or make a snide comment or push a book or insist
on
a report or limit tv ----*ANY* violation of the child's trust in you
and this process---
start counting the months again.
So, no---you haven't even started yet.
-=-=-=-=-=-
I went through a really hard adjustment in learning to TRUST fully.
I remember "trying" to allow them to choose television and just
getting all tetchy and frustrated when they seemed obsessed, so I
thought I needed to make little comments, or push them to get away
from it after a long time.
Doesn't work that way.
It wasn't until I saw television as valuable, until I saw my children
as capable, WHOLE, intelligent beings that didn't need coercion, until
I joined in WITH them and saw it as just another option in life that
we got the kind of results folks are talking about here.
-=-=-=-
I SOOOOO wish that Ren's process was still in the archives at
unschooling.com!!!
To those of you shaking your heads at Kathy and wondering *how* it can
be this
hard, I did the same thing with Ren. She whined and bantered and
bitched and
argued and just made everyone crazy! <g>
She challenged every single unschooling issue. She fought every inch.
She was
exhausting! <BWG>
Suddenly, she got it. Now she's dangerous! <g> and fun! <g>
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
Jennifer
REALLY???? I had no idea! Ren is one of the first
people to introduce me to unschooling. How
interesting!!
Jenny
--- kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
people to introduce me to unschooling. How
interesting!!
Jenny
--- kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
> I SOOOOO wish that Ren's process was still in the____________________________________________________
> archives at
> unschooling.com!!!
>
> To those of you shaking your heads at Kathy and
> wondering *how* it can
> be this
> hard, I did the same thing with Ren. She whined and
> bantered and
> bitched and
> argued and just made everyone crazy! <g>
>
> She challenged every single unschooling issue. She
> fought every inch.
> She was
> exhausting! <BWG>
>
> Suddenly, she got it. Now she's dangerous! <g> and
> fun! <g>
>
> ~Kelly
>
> Kelly Lovejoy
> Conference Coordinator
> Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> October 6-9, 2005
> http://liveandlearnconference.org
>
>
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[email protected]
<<It wasn't until I saw television as valuable>>
My 14yo decided to try a British Literature class. She was a little intimidated because she was the only unschooler in a class of school-at-homers. She came home saying she thought it would be ok. She had been assigned to read Beowulf and when the teacher was giving the introduction, my daughter said she already knew most of it from watching tv and movies.
Julie S.
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My 14yo decided to try a British Literature class. She was a little intimidated because she was the only unschooler in a class of school-at-homers. She came home saying she thought it would be ok. She had been assigned to read Beowulf and when the teacher was giving the introduction, my daughter said she already knew most of it from watching tv and movies.
Julie S.
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Rod Thomas
>>>>>>To those of you shaking your heads at Kathy and wondering *how* itcan
be this hard, I did the same thing with Ren. She whined and bantered and
bitched and argued and just made everyone crazy! <g>
She challenged every single unschooling issue. She fought every inch.
She was exhausting! <BWG> Suddenly, she got it. Now she's dangerous!
<g> and fun!
~Kelly<<<<<<<<<<
I find this amazing. And for whoever asked, I guess that is why I am
still here...
Flyerkat (Kathy)
Joyce Fetteroll
On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:52 PM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.unschooling.com/
Each link is a full back up of the entire unschooling.com website
including the forums.
The Hegeners said they'd have the message boards backed up again
before taking them down but they didn't so it only goes up to October
2004.
The last one should have everything *but* the boards had a problem at
some point and lots of posts had disappeared by the time they
returned. Can't remember the date, though.
Joyce
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> I SOOOOO wish that Ren's process was still in the archives atIt is:
> unschooling.com!!!
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.unschooling.com/
Each link is a full back up of the entire unschooling.com website
including the forums.
The Hegeners said they'd have the message boards backed up again
before taking them down but they didn't so it only goes up to October
2004.
The last one should have everything *but* the boards had a problem at
some point and lots of posts had disappeared by the time they
returned. Can't remember the date, though.
Joyce
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[email protected]
Joyce, This is what I keep getting there:
****Not in Archive.
The page you requested has not been archived. If the page is still
available on the Internet, we will begin archiving it during our next
crawl. Try another request or click here to search for all pages on
unschooling.com/discus/messages/23/23.html?MondayJune520000733am
See the FAQs for more info and help, or contact us.******
Any ideas?
And Ren, when were you first on?
~K
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
****Not in Archive.
The page you requested has not been archived. If the page is still
available on the Internet, we will begin archiving it during our next
crawl. Try another request or click here to search for all pages on
unschooling.com/discus/messages/23/23.html?MondayJune520000733am
See the FAQs for more info and help, or contact us.******
Any ideas?
And Ren, when were you first on?
~K
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:52 PM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
> I SOOOOO wish that Ren's process was still in the archives at
> unschooling.com!!!
It is:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.unschooling.com/
Each link is a full back up of the entire unschooling.com website
including the forums.
The Hegeners said they'd have the message boards backed up again
before taking them down but they didn't so it only goes up to October
2004.
The last one should have everything *but* the boards had a problem at
some point and lots of posts had disappeared by the time they
returned. Can't remember the date, though.
Joyce
Joyce Fetteroll
On Aug 24, 2005, at 8:10 AM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
the messages were there at the time. It worked just like the real site.
Joyce
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> ****Not in Archive.Dunno. I hope it's a temporary glitch. I've used them before and all
>
> Any ideas?
the messages were there at the time. It worked just like the real site.
Joyce
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Thomas <flyerrod@...>
can be this hard, I did the same thing with Ren. She whined and
bantered and
bitched and argued and just made everyone crazy! <g>
She challenged every single unschooling issue. She fought every inch.
She was exhausting! <BWG> Suddenly, she got it. Now she's dangerous!
<g> and fun!
~Kelly<<<<<<<<<<
I find this amazing. And for whoever asked, I guess that is why I am
still here...
-=-=-
What is amazing? That Ren didn't get it right away? Or that I was
devoted to school as a kid and as a home-room mom? <bwg>
That Joyce is an engineer or that Sandra was and Pam is a teacher? <g>
None of us started out as unschoolers: we all had to get here too. And
we know it's not easy!
Stick around. <bwg>
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
From: Rod Thomas <flyerrod@...>
>>>>>>To those of you shaking your heads at Kathy and wondering *how*it
can be this hard, I did the same thing with Ren. She whined and
bantered and
bitched and argued and just made everyone crazy! <g>
She challenged every single unschooling issue. She fought every inch.
She was exhausting! <BWG> Suddenly, she got it. Now she's dangerous!
<g> and fun!
~Kelly<<<<<<<<<<
I find this amazing. And for whoever asked, I guess that is why I am
still here...
-=-=-
What is amazing? That Ren didn't get it right away? Or that I was
devoted to school as a kid and as a home-room mom? <bwg>
That Joyce is an engineer or that Sandra was and Pam is a teacher? <g>
None of us started out as unschoolers: we all had to get here too. And
we know it's not easy!
Stick around. <bwg>
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org