Ren

"I still feel it is a lie on some level to
take what they are learning and make it fit state regulations. I know my
sons do too on some level. So does my family. "

I guess I have a hard time understanding why anyone feels it is wrong to lie to a governmental body that has caused massive damage to a human being. Why do you feel it is necessary to play by their rules at this point? Your children and their safety and peace are far more important than outright lying about their activities.
Not that anyone is saying to do that.
You aren't. Fulfilling some state requirement is a mute point when you're dealing with damaged human beings, but you ARE fulfilling the requirements in a unique way.
Maybe I'm going to ruffle some feathers here...I hope not, but screw the damn schools. Your kid matters more. How moral is it to allow a child to be damaged further?

Ren


"If you hold on to the handle, she said, it's easier to maintain the illusion of control. But it's more fun if you just let the wind carry you. "
--Brian Andreas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingbasics/

coolcrew

Hi

I thikn Ren is right about this. My children - older ones were damaged by school. I have no worries whatsoever about telling the authority what they want to hear as most of what the authority want to hear is not learning and irelevant to them and their lives. E.g if you put they can play they instantly want to know what grade? If you say they can do maths - they want to know up to what level. It is not required here to be at any level so I don't tell them or I tell them what a child in school would be doing. ( theydon't like it if they are above a perceived level either). Keeps my kids happy and them off my back and that is what counts. I look on it school had their chance and messed it up.

Ruth


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waltonc32927

Hi

I second that. My son's enthusiasm for learning was all but snuffed
out by the school system and I'll tell them anything they want to
hear to stay within their guidelines and keep them off my back. I've
been listening to them for far too long and it's proven to do nothing
but harm him, so now it's time to listen to HIM and celebrate HIS
gifts and abilities.

Chris






--- In [email protected], "coolcrew"
<grayfamily9@g...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I thikn Ren is right about this. My children - older ones were
damaged by school. I have no worries whatsoever about telling the
authority what they want to hear as most of what the authority want
to hear is not learning and irelevant to them and their lives. E.g if
you put they can play they instantly want to know what grade? If you
say they can do maths - they want to know up to what level. It is
not required here to be at any level so I don't tell them or I tell
them what a child in school would be doing. ( theydon't like it if
they are above a perceived level either). Keeps my kids happy and
them off my back and that is what counts. I look on it school had
their chance and messed it up.
>
> Ruth
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

jlh44music

>>>.... so I don't tell them or I tell them what a child in school
would be doing. ( theydon't like it if they are above a perceived
level either). Keeps my kids happy and them off my back and that is
what counts. I look on it school had their chance and messed it up.>>>>>

I especially like your last sentence Ruth! I feel like saying that to
my daughter's school. I spent this past year (6th grade, first-and
last- in middle school) trying to find out how they were going
to "help" my daughter "succeed" (by their standards). I got very few
truly helpful solutions proposed by the "experts and "yessed" to death
quit a bit to boot. My (first time) letter or intent is going in at
the beginning of Aug - I hope it goes through. The schools DON'T see
it as possibly being something "wrong" with the way they're teaching,
it's that my child isn't trying hard enough or needs to do more
repetitive boring homework worksheets and assignments, or stay after
for "extra help" (more of the same type of "teaching" that isn't making
sense to her)!.........(I'm done ranting......)
Jann

soggyboysmom

--- In [email protected], "jlh44music"
<jlh44music@y...> wrote:
> or stay after
> for "extra help" (more of the same type of "teaching" that isn't
>making
> sense to her)!.........
> Jann
I've heard that one definition of insanity is to continue doing the
same thing (that didn't work before) and expecting a different
outcome. So I guess the system really is insane - they keep doing the
same things and wondering why they don't work...

--Deb

jlh44music

> > or stay after for "extra help" (more of the same type of "teaching"
that isn't making sense to her)!.........
> I've heard that one definition of insanity is to continue doing the
same thing (that didn't work before) and expecting a different
outcome. So I guess the system really is insane - they keep doing the
same things and wondering why they don't work...

I like that one!
Jann