TV question
Daniel MacIntyre
I saw this news ( http://tinyurl.com/4va77 ) article and got to
thinking about tv. Currently my kids watch pretty much what they want
when they want it. However, it is possible that they may come across
something as traumatic as this ad seems to be. I didn't worry about
it before because, at 4 years old, Zachary prefers pretty inoccuous
stuff and at 18 months, Zoe is pretty easy going with anything that is
on. Oh, yeah - we are cheap and don't have cable, so that
automatically cuts out a lot of stuff (both good and bad) right away.
Basically, my question is how much do I need to "protect" my children
from the tv?
--
Daniel
(Amy is doing a half marathon for Team in Training
Anyone who wants to help can do so by going to:
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thinking about tv. Currently my kids watch pretty much what they want
when they want it. However, it is possible that they may come across
something as traumatic as this ad seems to be. I didn't worry about
it before because, at 4 years old, Zachary prefers pretty inoccuous
stuff and at 18 months, Zoe is pretty easy going with anything that is
on. Oh, yeah - we are cheap and don't have cable, so that
automatically cuts out a lot of stuff (both good and bad) right away.
Basically, my question is how much do I need to "protect" my children
from the tv?
--
Daniel
(Amy is doing a half marathon for Team in Training
Anyone who wants to help can do so by going to:
http://www.active.com/donate/fundraise/tntgmoAMacint )
scrapgal
--- In [email protected], Daniel MacIntyre
<daniel.macintyre@g...> wrote:
how a child could feel uneasy about it. How much do you have
to "protect" your child? That's hard to tell a parent. Children
are generally going to watch those things that interest them.
Younger children are going to be more interested (generally) in
Dora, Blue's Clues, PBS kids shows, etc. Older kids are going to
diversify according to their interests. I say if you are concerned
about what your children are watching then maybe sit and watch some
telly with them.
Michelle
<daniel.macintyre@g...> wrote:
> I saw this news ( http://tinyurl.com/4va77 ) article and got towant
> thinking about tv. Currently my kids watch pretty much what they
> when they want it. However, it is possible that they may comeacross
> something as traumatic as this ad seems to be.OK< I've seen the ad and I found it a riot! LOL!! But I can see
how a child could feel uneasy about it. How much do you have
to "protect" your child? That's hard to tell a parent. Children
are generally going to watch those things that interest them.
Younger children are going to be more interested (generally) in
Dora, Blue's Clues, PBS kids shows, etc. Older kids are going to
diversify according to their interests. I say if you are concerned
about what your children are watching then maybe sit and watch some
telly with them.
Michelle
J. Stauffer
<<<<Basically, my question is how much do I need to "protect" my children
from the tv?>>>>
I don't think you need to "protect" them from tv or any media but I think you have to be available to help them process it.
We have kids from 14 to 5 and about 500 tv channels. We don't have any blocks but the kids really aren't interested in stuff that is "above their maturity level."
I do find that when they are at friends' houses they are into more intense things and we talk about them but I don't forbid them.
Julie S.
from the tv?>>>>
I don't think you need to "protect" them from tv or any media but I think you have to be available to help them process it.
We have kids from 14 to 5 and about 500 tv channels. We don't have any blocks but the kids really aren't interested in stuff that is "above their maturity level."
I do find that when they are at friends' houses they are into more intense things and we talk about them but I don't forbid them.
Julie S.
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel MacIntyre
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] TV question
I saw this news ( http://tinyurl.com/4va77 ) article and got to
thinking about tv. Currently my kids watch pretty much what they want
when they want it. However, it is possible that they may come across
something as traumatic as this ad seems to be. I didn't worry about
it before because, at 4 years old, Zachary prefers pretty inoccuous
stuff and at 18 months, Zoe is pretty easy going with anything that is
on. Oh, yeah - we are cheap and don't have cable, so that
automatically cuts out a lot of stuff (both good and bad) right away.
Basically, my question is how much do I need to "protect" my children
from the tv?
--
Daniel
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soggyboysmom
Mostly, we are with or nearby to DS (almost 7) when he's watching
TV. He's seen ads for stuff (especially movie trailers) that were
scary and he usually heads for the closest lap to snuggle and feel
safe. He saw the trailer for the last Harry Potter movie and
said "You and Daddy can go see that without me. It looks too scary
for me." And, too, while most of what he likes to watch
is "children's programming", he also likes things like MythBusters
which are not on "children's programming" channels. Lots of being
available to him for comfort and talking with him about it seem to
really be the keys moreso than prohibiting things.
TV. He's seen ads for stuff (especially movie trailers) that were
scary and he usually heads for the closest lap to snuggle and feel
safe. He saw the trailer for the last Harry Potter movie and
said "You and Daddy can go see that without me. It looks too scary
for me." And, too, while most of what he likes to watch
is "children's programming", he also likes things like MythBusters
which are not on "children's programming" channels. Lots of being
available to him for comfort and talking with him about it seem to
really be the keys moreso than prohibiting things.
Rodney and Rebecca Atherton
>I saw this news ( http://tinyurl.com/4va77 ) article and got to thinkingWait. So we send dads and moms off to fight actual wars but a blob on TV is
>about tv.
too traumatic for children - and must be banned? Whoa. That's the first
thing that popped into my head. Where were the parents? If the parents
response was laughter at such a silly commercial, the children would see
that and understand that it was not "real" right?
I remember my first nightmare. It was so scary that I couldn't sleep at
night. It was of Bigbird, from Sesame Street, jumping rope to the sound of
my heartbeat. Bigbird scared me as a baby. I really remember being in my
crib, because I was from the generation that lived in the crib. That's why
we never used a crib here with my children. If you have ever heard of the
Suzuki method, then you would never want a crib in your house. LOL the
bars (If I haven't gotten my wires crossed)
We used our camcorder (is that what they are still called) to film a
homemade play that the kids wrote and starred in. We watched it several
times on the television. I hope that this showed my children and even the
three year old about how not all things on television are real.
Just thoughts.
Rebecca
Too often we give children answers to remember rather than problems to
solve. -Roger Lewin
soggyboysmom
--- In [email protected], "Rodney and Rebecca
Atherton" <rebeccawow@s...> wrote:
We watched it several
fictional on TV or in a movie and *DS* reminds me it's not real.
If he's not sure about something, he'll ask "Is that fiction or non-
fiction?" Opens up lots of discussion on real, not real, and semi-
real - real people, perhaps, or possibly real situations, but in a
fictional setting - MythBusters is real (real people in real
situations doing real things); Pokemon is not real (cartoon
character people with not real abilities in a whole other
place/time); Recess is semi-real (cartoon character people in
possibly real situations); Star Trek is semi-real (real people in
far out places) - same kinds of discussions we've had about video
games. DS loves the 007 games so we've talked about things like
mines (in the game, you get killed and you come back and there are
no civilians around, in real life mines get left behind and
civilians, sometimes kids, get hurt or killed by them...)
Atherton" <rebeccawow@s...> wrote:
We watched it several
> times on the television. I hope that this showed my children and ?LOL There have been times when *I've* been upset by something
>even the
> three year old about how not all things on television are real.
>
> Just thoughts.
>
> Rebecca
fictional on TV or in a movie and *DS* reminds me it's not real.
If he's not sure about something, he'll ask "Is that fiction or non-
fiction?" Opens up lots of discussion on real, not real, and semi-
real - real people, perhaps, or possibly real situations, but in a
fictional setting - MythBusters is real (real people in real
situations doing real things); Pokemon is not real (cartoon
character people with not real abilities in a whole other
place/time); Recess is semi-real (cartoon character people in
possibly real situations); Star Trek is semi-real (real people in
far out places) - same kinds of discussions we've had about video
games. DS loves the 007 games so we've talked about things like
mines (in the game, you get killed and you come back and there are
no civilians around, in real life mines get left behind and
civilians, sometimes kids, get hurt or killed by them...)
mamaaj2000
--- In [email protected], "Rodney and Rebecca
Atherton" <rebeccawow@s...> wrote:
nightmare that had me scared he would come out of the toilet!
It's tough. I turned on a show about the Golden Gate Bridge to show
ds (4). Then they started talking about the 1989 earthquake, which I
didn't expect because it didn't damage the GG. They started showing a
lot of footage of all the damage it did cause, Mikey heard them say
50 people died, and repeated that. The remote wasn't next to me and I
didn't want to make a big deal of leaping across the room and
changing the channel, so I just tried to talk about what they were
showing in a calm voice. I mentioned that I didn't live there at the
time, but that other family members did. Figured that would give him
a chance to bring it up again if he wanted to.
Didn't mention that Grandpa was on a section of freeway that
collapsed! (he got off in time)
Mikey hasn't brought it up yet (it was last weekend). Just have to
take it one thing at a time. He's afraid of a toy our neighbor has,
and has to make sure that the boy's mom has moved it out of J's room
before he'll go over there. You just never know what they will have a
big reaction to.
He is so innocent about all the bad in the world, natural or man-
made. I'm still amazed that he hasn't seen footage of the planes
flying into the WTC. My neighbor had something on about it last year
but somehow Mikey never looked at the tv at the 'right' time.
--aj
Atherton" <rebeccawow@s...> wrote:
> I remember my first nightmare. It was so scary that I couldn'tsleep at
> night. It was of Bigbird, from Sesame Street, jumping rope to thesound of
> my heartbeat.It was Oscar who freaked me out, lol. I think it must have been a
nightmare that had me scared he would come out of the toilet!
It's tough. I turned on a show about the Golden Gate Bridge to show
ds (4). Then they started talking about the 1989 earthquake, which I
didn't expect because it didn't damage the GG. They started showing a
lot of footage of all the damage it did cause, Mikey heard them say
50 people died, and repeated that. The remote wasn't next to me and I
didn't want to make a big deal of leaping across the room and
changing the channel, so I just tried to talk about what they were
showing in a calm voice. I mentioned that I didn't live there at the
time, but that other family members did. Figured that would give him
a chance to bring it up again if he wanted to.
Didn't mention that Grandpa was on a section of freeway that
collapsed! (he got off in time)
Mikey hasn't brought it up yet (it was last weekend). Just have to
take it one thing at a time. He's afraid of a toy our neighbor has,
and has to make sure that the boy's mom has moved it out of J's room
before he'll go over there. You just never know what they will have a
big reaction to.
He is so innocent about all the bad in the world, natural or man-
made. I'm still amazed that he hasn't seen footage of the planes
flying into the WTC. My neighbor had something on about it last year
but somehow Mikey never looked at the tv at the 'right' time.
--aj
scrapgal
--- In [email protected], "soggyboysmom"
<debra.rossing@m...> wrote:
We love watching what they are going to do to Buster next!! My
daugher has friends who are in public school and would never venture
into the Discovery channel section or watch anything on TLC or HGTV,
yet Emily is constantly awake at 1 am watching something on one of
those channels.
We got hooked onto Mythbusters when they proved that microwaved water
can "erupt" Someone told us about it after it happened to us (I
always thought it was a myth) and we caught it and got hooked.
Michelle
<debra.rossing@m...> wrote:
>Oh this is one of our family's favorite shows! We LOVE MythBusters.
> And, too, while most of what he likes to watch
> is "children's programming", he also likes things like MythBusters
> which are not on "children's programming" channels.
We love watching what they are going to do to Buster next!! My
daugher has friends who are in public school and would never venture
into the Discovery channel section or watch anything on TLC or HGTV,
yet Emily is constantly awake at 1 am watching something on one of
those channels.
We got hooked onto Mythbusters when they proved that microwaved water
can "erupt" Someone told us about it after it happened to us (I
always thought it was a myth) and we caught it and got hooked.
Michelle
soggyboysmom
--- In [email protected], "scrapgal"
<pamperedmichelle@g...> wrote:
likes when they blow stuff up (did you see the exploding port-a-
potty episode?) I like the "mythterns" they've added - gives them a
lot more flexibility on what kinds of stuff they do. And it would be
fun to have all that ballistics gel and such on hand to play with
(DH would love to have their workshop!)
<pamperedmichelle@g...> wrote:
> We love watching what they are going to do to Buster next!!LOL that's one of Ds' favorite things too - he likes Buster. DH
likes when they blow stuff up (did you see the exploding port-a-
potty episode?) I like the "mythterns" they've added - gives them a
lot more flexibility on what kinds of stuff they do. And it would be
fun to have all that ballistics gel and such on hand to play with
(DH would love to have their workshop!)
Aisling2u
What about all the information that we have about how tv affects our
children's brain development, particularly in children under 2. Not to
mention how ads affect them. That would be what I would be most concerned
about. When you say they pretty much watch what they want I envision a
television that is on all day. I agree that watching with them so you can
answer questions is wonderful - turning it off is even better!
children's brain development, particularly in children under 2. Not to
mention how ads affect them. That would be what I would be most concerned
about. When you say they pretty much watch what they want I envision a
television that is on all day. I agree that watching with them so you can
answer questions is wonderful - turning it off is even better!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel MacIntyre" <daniel.macintyre@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] TV question
>
> I saw this news ( http://tinyurl.com/4va77 ) article and got to
> thinking about tv. Currently my kids watch pretty much what they want
> when they want it. However, it is possible that they may come across
> something as traumatic as this ad seems to be. I didn't worry about
> it before because, at 4 years old, Zachary prefers pretty inoccuous
> stuff and at 18 months, Zoe is pretty easy going with anything that is
> on. Oh, yeah - we are cheap and don't have cable, so that
> automatically cuts out a lot of stuff (both good and bad) right away.
>
> Basically, my question is how much do I need to "protect" my children
> from the tv?
> --
> Daniel
> (Amy is doing a half marathon for Team in Training
> Anyone who wants to help can do so by going to:
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>
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April M
My kids have always had access to the TV, the youngest completely from
birth...and they are all savvy consumers not influenced by ads...actually,
the youngest is quite convinced that reality is the opposite of commercials!
None of my kids seem to have any brain development problems.....they all
know how to turn the TV off if they want. They never had much interest in
it as small children...but it was available.
~April
Mom to Kate-18, Lisa-16, Karl-13, & Ben-9.
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how to learn."
Henry Brooks Adams (1838-1918)
-----Original Message-----
From: Aisling2u [mailto:aisling2u@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] TV question
What about all the information that we have about how tv affects our
children's brain development, particularly in children under 2. Not to
mention how ads affect them. That would be what I would be most concerned
about. When you say they pretty much watch what they want I envision a
television that is on all day. I agree that watching with them so you can
answer questions is wonderful - turning it off is even better!
birth...and they are all savvy consumers not influenced by ads...actually,
the youngest is quite convinced that reality is the opposite of commercials!
None of my kids seem to have any brain development problems.....they all
know how to turn the TV off if they want. They never had much interest in
it as small children...but it was available.
~April
Mom to Kate-18, Lisa-16, Karl-13, & Ben-9.
*REACH Homeschool Group, an inclusive group meeting throughout Oakland
County http://www.homeschoolingonashoestring.com/REACH_home.html
* Michigan Unschoolers...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michigan_unschoolers/
*Michigan Youth Theater...Acting On Our Dreams...
http://www.michiganyouththeater.org/
"What one knows is, in youth, of little moment; they know enough who know
how to learn."
Henry Brooks Adams (1838-1918)
-----Original Message-----
From: Aisling2u [mailto:aisling2u@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] TV question
What about all the information that we have about how tv affects our
children's brain development, particularly in children under 2. Not to
mention how ads affect them. That would be what I would be most concerned
about. When you say they pretty much watch what they want I envision a
television that is on all day. I agree that watching with them so you can
answer questions is wonderful - turning it off is even better!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel MacIntyre" <daniel.macintyre@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] TV question
>
> I saw this news ( http://tinyurl.com/4va77 ) article and got to
> thinking about tv. Currently my kids watch pretty much what they want
> when they want it. However, it is possible that they may come across
> something as traumatic as this ad seems to be. I didn't worry about
> it before because, at 4 years old, Zachary prefers pretty inoccuous
> stuff and at 18 months, Zoe is pretty easy going with anything that is
> on. Oh, yeah - we are cheap and don't have cable, so that
> automatically cuts out a lot of stuff (both good and bad) right away.
>
> Basically, my question is how much do I need to "protect" my children
> from the tv?
> --
> Daniel
> (Amy is doing a half marathon for Team in Training
> Anyone who wants to help can do so by going to:
> http://www.active.com/donate/fundraise/tntgmoAMacint )
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>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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>
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>
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Deb Lewis
***I agree that watching with them so you can
answer questions is wonderful - turning it off is even better!***
I would be hurt and sad if someone turned off my TV when I was watching.
I'd feel like they didn't care what I wanted or care about what was
important to me.
I would never take my husband's old '64 Chevy truck away from him and I
bet I could find a lot of statistics about motor vehicle accidents.
I wouldn't take his fly rod away even though he's been injured while
fishing and even chased into the Little Blackfoot by a bear! (that's a
terrible story, he can't honestly be a fisherman because he didn't have
a monster fish on the line at the time he had to out-wade the bear. Any
respectable fisherman would have had a story about how big that fish was
and how he held on to it the whole time he was struggling to get away
from the bear and how the fish only got away after the bear had given up.
No. Not David. He had no fish and fell into a hole and filled his
waders and nearly washed down stream. <G>)
***What about all the information that we have about how tv affects our
children's brain development,***
Cave children watched family unit members have sex, watched animals being
killed and cut up, watched women have babies, watched fights, watched
people take a poo. (or more accurately, leave a poo) (I think if a
person took poo he'd have some kind of problem, really.)
We have no studies about how that affected their brains but at least some
of them went on to become... us.
Victorian kids survived the heinous dime store novels the experts said
would be the downfall of society.
European children of the forties experienced and saw and lived through
unspeakable horrors. Probably there are brain studies but the survivors
I knew lived out normal lives and were fine people.
We don't even know a fraction of the truth about the human brain and yet
lots of people believe electronic media will harm our children more than
say, a parent hitting a kid, a kid being sent to bed without supper, a
kid being drugged into compliance, a kid being punished by being
confined to one room, having possessions taken away, etc.
My own studies indicate (I've studied one kid for almost thirteen
years<g>) that a kid who watches TV is ok. If the kid wasn't ok, I
would examine relationship issues with mom and dad, general health,
happiness, etc., before I'd assume the problem was caused by TV.
Dylan will be thirteen soon and so far brain development seems to be okey
dokey. He's having no problems learning or doing any of the things he
wants to learn and do. He's smarter and better informed than a lot of
adults I know.
***Not to mention how ads affect them.***
This was the most interesting thing for me to watch. Dylan loved TV
commercials. He spent some little while thinking all that stuff was true
and we talked about advertising and we went out and bought some stuff
just to see if it was what the ad said it was.
We were sometimes pleasantly surprised and sometimes we were smugly happy
to have discovered their deception.
He became very aware of the techniques advertisers use to stimulate our
interests and create a feeling of need for the product. He loves the
psychology of advertising. He's the most careful shopper I know and has
looked up consumer reports on more than one higher priced item when he
was considering a purchase. He will probably never be an impulse buyer
and probably make few purchases he regrets. That happened because he was
free to see ads and commercials and had time to experiment and consider.
I'm so glad he got to think about these things at an early age because I
think it means he'll be less likely to spend his rent money on some
impulsive purchase when he's on his own. His ability to fool around with
advertising and buying happened when he was young and he didn't stand to
lose his home or car or stereo system.
Our experience has been that TV is not a problem. Dylan has had no TV
restrictions. He was not really interested in TV when he was very small.
I think he began watching with real interest during a TNT Monster Vision
Bash marathon of Godzilla movies when he was four, or so. <g>
Deb Lewis
answer questions is wonderful - turning it off is even better!***
I would be hurt and sad if someone turned off my TV when I was watching.
I'd feel like they didn't care what I wanted or care about what was
important to me.
I would never take my husband's old '64 Chevy truck away from him and I
bet I could find a lot of statistics about motor vehicle accidents.
I wouldn't take his fly rod away even though he's been injured while
fishing and even chased into the Little Blackfoot by a bear! (that's a
terrible story, he can't honestly be a fisherman because he didn't have
a monster fish on the line at the time he had to out-wade the bear. Any
respectable fisherman would have had a story about how big that fish was
and how he held on to it the whole time he was struggling to get away
from the bear and how the fish only got away after the bear had given up.
No. Not David. He had no fish and fell into a hole and filled his
waders and nearly washed down stream. <G>)
***What about all the information that we have about how tv affects our
children's brain development,***
Cave children watched family unit members have sex, watched animals being
killed and cut up, watched women have babies, watched fights, watched
people take a poo. (or more accurately, leave a poo) (I think if a
person took poo he'd have some kind of problem, really.)
We have no studies about how that affected their brains but at least some
of them went on to become... us.
Victorian kids survived the heinous dime store novels the experts said
would be the downfall of society.
European children of the forties experienced and saw and lived through
unspeakable horrors. Probably there are brain studies but the survivors
I knew lived out normal lives and were fine people.
We don't even know a fraction of the truth about the human brain and yet
lots of people believe electronic media will harm our children more than
say, a parent hitting a kid, a kid being sent to bed without supper, a
kid being drugged into compliance, a kid being punished by being
confined to one room, having possessions taken away, etc.
My own studies indicate (I've studied one kid for almost thirteen
years<g>) that a kid who watches TV is ok. If the kid wasn't ok, I
would examine relationship issues with mom and dad, general health,
happiness, etc., before I'd assume the problem was caused by TV.
Dylan will be thirteen soon and so far brain development seems to be okey
dokey. He's having no problems learning or doing any of the things he
wants to learn and do. He's smarter and better informed than a lot of
adults I know.
***Not to mention how ads affect them.***
This was the most interesting thing for me to watch. Dylan loved TV
commercials. He spent some little while thinking all that stuff was true
and we talked about advertising and we went out and bought some stuff
just to see if it was what the ad said it was.
We were sometimes pleasantly surprised and sometimes we were smugly happy
to have discovered their deception.
He became very aware of the techniques advertisers use to stimulate our
interests and create a feeling of need for the product. He loves the
psychology of advertising. He's the most careful shopper I know and has
looked up consumer reports on more than one higher priced item when he
was considering a purchase. He will probably never be an impulse buyer
and probably make few purchases he regrets. That happened because he was
free to see ads and commercials and had time to experiment and consider.
I'm so glad he got to think about these things at an early age because I
think it means he'll be less likely to spend his rent money on some
impulsive purchase when he's on his own. His ability to fool around with
advertising and buying happened when he was young and he didn't stand to
lose his home or car or stereo system.
Our experience has been that TV is not a problem. Dylan has had no TV
restrictions. He was not really interested in TV when he was very small.
I think he began watching with real interest during a TNT Monster Vision
Bash marathon of Godzilla movies when he was four, or so. <g>
Deb Lewis
Robyn Coburn
<<<<<What about all the information that we have about how tv affects our
children's brain development, particularly in children under 2.>>>>>>
Have you read how some these studies are conducted and what they are
measuring? Some of them are just plain goofy. One fairly recent example -
Result: A child's brainwaves show "less activity" when watching TV than when
engaging in another activity. Deduced from: Comparing the relaxed and happy
tv watcher with the "other activity" which turns out to be lying alone on a
bed in a darkened room where the child might be bored, scared, irritated at
the waste of time, listening intently, making up stories in their mind - who
knows? - but probably not relaxed and happy.
They put on a tv in a room with nothing else to do and are judgmental when
the kid is drawn to the tv.
They put attractive, new programming on a tv in a room where the choice is
watch tv or play with some toys that are Waldorfy plain or probably
familiar, or even what the kids already have at home. Kids in real homes
often do both at once.
They grumble that kids find tv attractive when it is specifically and
cleverly designed by the makers to appeal to kids. What, they should take a
leaf out of school's book and deliberately make it boring?
They speak in a voice of doom when kids want to act out with action figures
some of the more violent or heroic stories they see on tv, instead of seeing
the acting out as *healthy* processing.
They, they, they. Screw 'em. No one's Unschooling home, with free access to
tv resembles any of the study environments. No one's Unschooled kids seem to
exhibit one iota of harm in the long run from free access to tv.
<<<< Not to mention how ads affect them.>>>>
How do ads affect your 2 year old? Jayn was a lot less interested in tv and
dvd's when she was 2. Now at 5 her favorite shows are on channels without
ads for the most part - which is good luck for me I guess.
It is true that she sees things that she might like on ads. We will go and
look at them at the store if her interest continues. Sometimes she still
wants them, other times not. We talk about ideas that are presented in both
ads and programming, especially when the behaviors exhibited are contrary to
the life of freedom and joy that we enjoy. For example parents in sit-coms
are always grounding their kids, usually after the moral has been learned by
the kids. We talk about how dopey, sad and unproductive that is.
<<<<<When you say they pretty much watch what they want I envision a
television that is on all day.>>>>>>
People first coming to Unschooling often have this kind of dichotomy of
extremes in their minds. Not just with tv, people find it hard to see
anything other than <parental control/enforced limits> or <total dangerous
chaos>. The assumption behind this paradigm is that children will always
choose the negative or harmful or irresponsible alternative when choices are
offered. The great thing about reading for longer on these lists is that
another picture of how these ideas work in real life replaces that paradigm
of either/or.
Sometimes the tv is on all day at our house, but usually because there is a
shifting dynamic of who is utilizing it at different times. Sometimes it is
just background; at others there is common consent, or Jayn-driven, desire
for quiet. Sometimes it is a "movie marathon" - repeated showings of Jayn's
latest dvd acquisition, or a recorded series.
<<<<I agree that watching with them so you can
answer questions is wonderful - turning it off is even better!>>>>>
Making a judgment of "better" should probably be done in a context rather
than as an absolute.
For example turning it off when no-one is watching it might be better than
leaving it on in an empty room and burning electricity.
Turning it off is better than leaving it on when everyone wants to turn it
off - as against forcing people to watch tv if they don't want to. (Like
that would ever happen??? See the movie "Matilda" for a lighthearted take on
that very occurrence.)
Turning it off is not better when someone else is trying to watch something,
or is enjoying having it on. Turning it off is not better if it is a coerced
action. Turning it off is not better if the result is resentment or
wistfulness.
Turning it off is not better if watching tv together is very important to
your child right now, and by watching with them you are showing your trust
in them, and approval of their interests. It might however be better than
watching with a disapproving or critical attitude, or one that disparages
the shows, although taking yourself away could be a "better" alternative in
that situation.
I'm guessing that you are using the phrase "turn it off" as code for "do
something else together". Nothing will make your kid resent an activity than
being forced to do it against their true free will, or being manipulated
into it, even if gently, by parental judgments. If you want them to join you
in some other activity one answer is to do it yourself with your own honest,
not exaggerated, enjoyment, making being with you attractive and full of
love.
Robyn L. Coburn
PS I looked at the article about the marmite blob, and had to chuckle. Jayn
would probably be amused or curious; without having actually seen "The Blob"
would miss part of the joke. However she is 5. I don't know how she would
have reacted when a toddler. Usually she would leave or turn away if
something was unattractive for any reason. Older - she asked for fast
forward or skipping the scene.
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children's brain development, particularly in children under 2.>>>>>>
Have you read how some these studies are conducted and what they are
measuring? Some of them are just plain goofy. One fairly recent example -
Result: A child's brainwaves show "less activity" when watching TV than when
engaging in another activity. Deduced from: Comparing the relaxed and happy
tv watcher with the "other activity" which turns out to be lying alone on a
bed in a darkened room where the child might be bored, scared, irritated at
the waste of time, listening intently, making up stories in their mind - who
knows? - but probably not relaxed and happy.
They put on a tv in a room with nothing else to do and are judgmental when
the kid is drawn to the tv.
They put attractive, new programming on a tv in a room where the choice is
watch tv or play with some toys that are Waldorfy plain or probably
familiar, or even what the kids already have at home. Kids in real homes
often do both at once.
They grumble that kids find tv attractive when it is specifically and
cleverly designed by the makers to appeal to kids. What, they should take a
leaf out of school's book and deliberately make it boring?
They speak in a voice of doom when kids want to act out with action figures
some of the more violent or heroic stories they see on tv, instead of seeing
the acting out as *healthy* processing.
They, they, they. Screw 'em. No one's Unschooling home, with free access to
tv resembles any of the study environments. No one's Unschooled kids seem to
exhibit one iota of harm in the long run from free access to tv.
<<<< Not to mention how ads affect them.>>>>
How do ads affect your 2 year old? Jayn was a lot less interested in tv and
dvd's when she was 2. Now at 5 her favorite shows are on channels without
ads for the most part - which is good luck for me I guess.
It is true that she sees things that she might like on ads. We will go and
look at them at the store if her interest continues. Sometimes she still
wants them, other times not. We talk about ideas that are presented in both
ads and programming, especially when the behaviors exhibited are contrary to
the life of freedom and joy that we enjoy. For example parents in sit-coms
are always grounding their kids, usually after the moral has been learned by
the kids. We talk about how dopey, sad and unproductive that is.
<<<<<When you say they pretty much watch what they want I envision a
television that is on all day.>>>>>>
People first coming to Unschooling often have this kind of dichotomy of
extremes in their minds. Not just with tv, people find it hard to see
anything other than <parental control/enforced limits> or <total dangerous
chaos>. The assumption behind this paradigm is that children will always
choose the negative or harmful or irresponsible alternative when choices are
offered. The great thing about reading for longer on these lists is that
another picture of how these ideas work in real life replaces that paradigm
of either/or.
Sometimes the tv is on all day at our house, but usually because there is a
shifting dynamic of who is utilizing it at different times. Sometimes it is
just background; at others there is common consent, or Jayn-driven, desire
for quiet. Sometimes it is a "movie marathon" - repeated showings of Jayn's
latest dvd acquisition, or a recorded series.
<<<<I agree that watching with them so you can
answer questions is wonderful - turning it off is even better!>>>>>
Making a judgment of "better" should probably be done in a context rather
than as an absolute.
For example turning it off when no-one is watching it might be better than
leaving it on in an empty room and burning electricity.
Turning it off is better than leaving it on when everyone wants to turn it
off - as against forcing people to watch tv if they don't want to. (Like
that would ever happen??? See the movie "Matilda" for a lighthearted take on
that very occurrence.)
Turning it off is not better when someone else is trying to watch something,
or is enjoying having it on. Turning it off is not better if it is a coerced
action. Turning it off is not better if the result is resentment or
wistfulness.
Turning it off is not better if watching tv together is very important to
your child right now, and by watching with them you are showing your trust
in them, and approval of their interests. It might however be better than
watching with a disapproving or critical attitude, or one that disparages
the shows, although taking yourself away could be a "better" alternative in
that situation.
I'm guessing that you are using the phrase "turn it off" as code for "do
something else together". Nothing will make your kid resent an activity than
being forced to do it against their true free will, or being manipulated
into it, even if gently, by parental judgments. If you want them to join you
in some other activity one answer is to do it yourself with your own honest,
not exaggerated, enjoyment, making being with you attractive and full of
love.
Robyn L. Coburn
PS I looked at the article about the marmite blob, and had to chuckle. Jayn
would probably be amused or curious; without having actually seen "The Blob"
would miss part of the joke. However she is 5. I don't know how she would
have reacted when a toddler. Usually she would leave or turn away if
something was unattractive for any reason. Older - she asked for fast
forward or skipping the scene.
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Danielle Conger
== Cave children watched family unit members have sex, watched animals being
killed and cut up, watched women have babies, watched fights, watched
people take a poo. (or more accurately, leave a poo) (I think if a
person took poo he'd have some kind of problem, really.)==
Deb Lewis, you slay me! You almost got me on a spit-take yesterday, too,
with your "list moderator and dumb ass" comment on UD.
I'm telling you, these lists are worth reading just for your zingers
alone. This Live and Learn, you absolutely MUST sit down for a glass of
wine! ;)
~~Danielle
Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (4.5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha
killed and cut up, watched women have babies, watched fights, watched
people take a poo. (or more accurately, leave a poo) (I think if a
person took poo he'd have some kind of problem, really.)==
Deb Lewis, you slay me! You almost got me on a spit-take yesterday, too,
with your "list moderator and dumb ass" comment on UD.
I'm telling you, these lists are worth reading just for your zingers
alone. This Live and Learn, you absolutely MUST sit down for a glass of
wine! ;)
~~Danielle
Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (4.5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha
>
soggyboysmom
Oh my - I had to LOL several times at your stories Deb - wonderful
thing to laugh first thing in the morning..
--- In [email protected], Deb Lewis <ddzimlew@j...>
wrote:
wade the bear. Any respectable fisherman would have had a story
about how big that fish was and how he held on to it the whole time
he was struggling to get away from the bear and how the fish only
got away after the bear had given up. No. Not David. He had no
fish and fell into a hole and filled his waders and nearly washed
down stream. <G>)
like "taking a shower" are invariably met by "Don't forget to bring
it back, someone else might want to use it next".
thing to laugh first thing in the morning..
--- In [email protected], Deb Lewis <ddzimlew@j...>
wrote:
>even chased into the Little Blackfoot by a bear! (that's adidn't have a monster fish on the line at the time he had to out-
> terrible story, he can't honestly be a fisherman because he
wade the bear. Any respectable fisherman would have had a story
about how big that fish was and how he held on to it the whole time
he was struggling to get away from the bear and how the fish only
got away after the bear had given up. No. Not David. He had no
fish and fell into a hole and filled his waders and nearly washed
down stream. <G>)
>I've always wondered about that terminology too. At our house things
> watched people take a poo. (or more accurately, leave a poo) (I
>think if a person took poo he'd have some kind of problem, really.)
>
like "taking a shower" are invariably met by "Don't forget to bring
it back, someone else might want to use it next".
Pam Sorooshian
My kids' tv-watching was never "limited." We had no rules, no
restrictions on when or what they watched. But they never had the tv on
all day, either. That's because they had lots of other things to do -
they played dress-ups, for example, for hours and hours, when they were
little. And we went to parks and the beach and children's museums and
many other places, a lot, too. And we have a swimming pool - they often
spent 8 hours a day, for days in a row, in the pool when the weather
was good.
I don't think sitting in front of a tv for 8 hours a day, day after
day, is good for little kids, either. If I noticed my child doing that,
day after day, I'd be concerned. But I think just pulling the plug is a
wussy parental response. If the child is choosing tv, then that's the
best choice he/she has and that's the fault of the parents, not the
kid. It is good information for the parent to know that the life
they're created is not as interesting as what is on tv. It is a
parent's job to enrich a child's life. Pulling the plug doesn't enrich
a child's life, it reduces his/her options.
My kids are VERY selective tv-watchers now - at 14, 17, and 20. They
watch West Wing - they get the old seasons from Netflix and watch every
episode over and over, as well as keep up on the new season. They're
learning HUGE amounts about politics and government and lots of bits of
a wide variety of other topics - like middle east geography or about
national land holdings, etc., whatever happens to be the topic on West
Wing. They also watch the Gilmore Girls pretty regularly - I know what
they like about it - it is an in-depth examination of what can go right
and wrong in relationships between mothers and daughters and friends
and lovers. They're critical of this show itself - sometimes they point
out flaws in the writing, for example. And - there is much about the
actual behavior of the characters in the show that they don't approve
of (well - okay - they've taken to referring to more recent seasons as
"the Gilmore Sluts."). Those are the only two shows my 3 girls watch on
a fairly regular basis. Rosie and Roxana also watch something on
Nick-at-Night - Cosby Show, Roseanne, or whatever is on around 11 pm,
most nights. That is sort of their wind-down get-to-sleep routine.
Other than those shows, they SELDOM turn on the tv - they're busy
people. My husband watches a LOT of soccer - international soccer. And
he watches movies - sometimes one of the rest of us watches his movies
with him, but he's far more willing to watch a mediocre movie than the
rest of us - if we don't really like a movie, we find something else to
do - he sticks with it until the end. He's far far less picky.
My husband probably watches 10 to 20 times more tv than the other 4 of
us put together.
He had no tv until he was 11 or 12 years old. Then he had just a little
black and white tv - he never SAW a color tv until he came to this
country at about 23 years old. He loves it. We have a big-screen tv in
the living room. He turns it on just to see what's on. My kids NEVER
turn it on just because they feel like watching tv - they turn it on to
watch a specific show and they turn it off when they're done watching
that show.
I think back to the times we watched Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers and a
lot of PBS children's shows like Under the Umbrella Tree and The Puzzle
Place and Wishbone, etc., with great waves of nostalgia. Those were
some WONDERFUL tv shows that my children and my husband and I shared.
Great memories that we now share! But those memories are mixed in, too,
with extensive memories of them pretending that they were dolphins in
the swimming pool and making sandcastles at the beach and playing with
playdough on the patio and with fingerpaints in the bathtub and on and
on.
-pam
restrictions on when or what they watched. But they never had the tv on
all day, either. That's because they had lots of other things to do -
they played dress-ups, for example, for hours and hours, when they were
little. And we went to parks and the beach and children's museums and
many other places, a lot, too. And we have a swimming pool - they often
spent 8 hours a day, for days in a row, in the pool when the weather
was good.
I don't think sitting in front of a tv for 8 hours a day, day after
day, is good for little kids, either. If I noticed my child doing that,
day after day, I'd be concerned. But I think just pulling the plug is a
wussy parental response. If the child is choosing tv, then that's the
best choice he/she has and that's the fault of the parents, not the
kid. It is good information for the parent to know that the life
they're created is not as interesting as what is on tv. It is a
parent's job to enrich a child's life. Pulling the plug doesn't enrich
a child's life, it reduces his/her options.
My kids are VERY selective tv-watchers now - at 14, 17, and 20. They
watch West Wing - they get the old seasons from Netflix and watch every
episode over and over, as well as keep up on the new season. They're
learning HUGE amounts about politics and government and lots of bits of
a wide variety of other topics - like middle east geography or about
national land holdings, etc., whatever happens to be the topic on West
Wing. They also watch the Gilmore Girls pretty regularly - I know what
they like about it - it is an in-depth examination of what can go right
and wrong in relationships between mothers and daughters and friends
and lovers. They're critical of this show itself - sometimes they point
out flaws in the writing, for example. And - there is much about the
actual behavior of the characters in the show that they don't approve
of (well - okay - they've taken to referring to more recent seasons as
"the Gilmore Sluts."). Those are the only two shows my 3 girls watch on
a fairly regular basis. Rosie and Roxana also watch something on
Nick-at-Night - Cosby Show, Roseanne, or whatever is on around 11 pm,
most nights. That is sort of their wind-down get-to-sleep routine.
Other than those shows, they SELDOM turn on the tv - they're busy
people. My husband watches a LOT of soccer - international soccer. And
he watches movies - sometimes one of the rest of us watches his movies
with him, but he's far more willing to watch a mediocre movie than the
rest of us - if we don't really like a movie, we find something else to
do - he sticks with it until the end. He's far far less picky.
My husband probably watches 10 to 20 times more tv than the other 4 of
us put together.
He had no tv until he was 11 or 12 years old. Then he had just a little
black and white tv - he never SAW a color tv until he came to this
country at about 23 years old. He loves it. We have a big-screen tv in
the living room. He turns it on just to see what's on. My kids NEVER
turn it on just because they feel like watching tv - they turn it on to
watch a specific show and they turn it off when they're done watching
that show.
I think back to the times we watched Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers and a
lot of PBS children's shows like Under the Umbrella Tree and The Puzzle
Place and Wishbone, etc., with great waves of nostalgia. Those were
some WONDERFUL tv shows that my children and my husband and I shared.
Great memories that we now share! But those memories are mixed in, too,
with extensive memories of them pretending that they were dolphins in
the swimming pool and making sandcastles at the beach and playing with
playdough on the patio and with fingerpaints in the bathtub and on and
on.
-pam
On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:04 PM, Aisling2u wrote:
> What about all the information that we have about how tv affects our
> children's brain development, particularly in children under 2. Not to
> mention how ads affect them. That would be what I would be most
> concerned
> about. When you say they pretty much watch what they want I envision a
> television that is on all day. I agree that watching with them so you
> can
> answer questions is wonderful - turning it off is even better!
Deb Lewis
***This Live and Learn, you absolutely MUST sit down for a glass of
wine! ;)***
Oh heck, I probably won't make this one. : ( I'll borrow Ren's idea
from last year and send "flat Deb." You can slosh some wine at my poster
board head occasionally.
Deb
wine! ;)***
Oh heck, I probably won't make this one. : ( I'll borrow Ren's idea
from last year and send "flat Deb." You can slosh some wine at my poster
board head occasionally.
Deb
Robyn Coburn
<<<<<Oh heck, I probably won't make this one. : ( I'll borrow Ren's idea
from last year and send "flat Deb." You can slosh some wine at my poster
board head occasionally. >>>>>>
Oh shucks.
But how does our intrepid organizer feel about this sad development?
Robyn L. Coburn
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from last year and send "flat Deb." You can slosh some wine at my poster
board head occasionally. >>>>>>
Oh shucks.
But how does our intrepid organizer feel about this sad development?
Robyn L. Coburn
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TreeGoddess
<<<Oh heck, I probably won't make this one. : ( I'll borrow Ren's
idea
from last year and send "flat Deb." You can slosh some wine at my
poster
board head occasionally. >>>
Aw, man! I was looking forward to meeting you, Deb. Maybe next year?
-Tracy-
"Peace *will* enter your life, but you
need to clear a spot for her to sit down."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
idea
from last year and send "flat Deb." You can slosh some wine at my
poster
board head occasionally. >>>
Aw, man! I was looking forward to meeting you, Deb. Maybe next year?
-Tracy-
"Peace *will* enter your life, but you
need to clear a spot for her to sit down."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
scrapgal
--- In [email protected], "Aisling2u"
<aisling2u@h...> wrote:
Partly because they have found that the ads on tv don't live up to
their claims. (Have any of your kids tried to make their Hotwheels
do like they do on television?!?!) Same with foods. Easy Mac was a
major disappointment for my kids. It tasted gross and had a really
weird texture to it. So now they could care less about the
commercials. (Although I did have to purchase a bottle of Ka-Boom
once to make Keon happy and surprisingly it did what it said it
would on tv.)
I've read many of these studies on television and brain
development. There are problems with the studies because they
really can't do a fair control group. Behavioural studies always
have flaws in them. I'm not supporting the television industry,
just pointing out the flaw in their studies. I would LOVE it if my
kids didn't watch television. I could care less about tv and could
really live without one (just don't take away my radio and internet
LOL!) That isn't going to happen, but what I do know is that my
kids don't watch that much television anymore. Yesterday it didn't
come on until mom (that would be me) showed up at home with a copy
of the Incredibles DVD. We then sat for 2 hours watching the bonus
features. (OK so maybe I want a television and a DVD player in my
perfect world.)
Michelle
<aisling2u@h...> wrote:
>our
> What about all the information that we have about how tv affects
> children's brain development, particularly in children under 2.Not to
> mention how ads affect them.My children have learned to become hypercritical of commercials.
Partly because they have found that the ads on tv don't live up to
their claims. (Have any of your kids tried to make their Hotwheels
do like they do on television?!?!) Same with foods. Easy Mac was a
major disappointment for my kids. It tasted gross and had a really
weird texture to it. So now they could care less about the
commercials. (Although I did have to purchase a bottle of Ka-Boom
once to make Keon happy and surprisingly it did what it said it
would on tv.)
I've read many of these studies on television and brain
development. There are problems with the studies because they
really can't do a fair control group. Behavioural studies always
have flaws in them. I'm not supporting the television industry,
just pointing out the flaw in their studies. I would LOVE it if my
kids didn't watch television. I could care less about tv and could
really live without one (just don't take away my radio and internet
LOL!) That isn't going to happen, but what I do know is that my
kids don't watch that much television anymore. Yesterday it didn't
come on until mom (that would be me) showed up at home with a copy
of the Incredibles DVD. We then sat for 2 hours watching the bonus
features. (OK so maybe I want a television and a DVD player in my
perfect world.)
Michelle
soggyboysmom
--- In [email protected], "scrapgal"
<pamperedmichelle@g...> wrote:
at our house yesterday. DS saw the commercial and wanted to get some
to shine his pennies in his piggy bank. That led to testing out all
sorts of (safe) household stuff - vinegar, lemon juice, baking
soda/vinegar mix, etc. to see what would shine pennies. End result:
nothing was quite as easy and shiny as the Ka-Boom looked to be. So
we may end up with some too. Glad to hear it actually works as
advertised.
<pamperedmichelle@g...> wrote:
>LOL Ka-Boom was the instigator for some major "scientific research"
> (Although I did have to purchase a bottle of Ka-Boom
> once to make Keon happy and surprisingly it did what it said it
> would on tv.)
>> Michelle
at our house yesterday. DS saw the commercial and wanted to get some
to shine his pennies in his piggy bank. That led to testing out all
sorts of (safe) household stuff - vinegar, lemon juice, baking
soda/vinegar mix, etc. to see what would shine pennies. End result:
nothing was quite as easy and shiny as the Ka-Boom looked to be. So
we may end up with some too. Glad to hear it actually works as
advertised.
scrapgal
--- In [email protected], "soggyboysmom"
<debra.rossing@m...> wrote:
pressers and like to shine our pennies before we go to Disney
World.) Maybe we will have to go try this. We usually use either
vinegar and baking soda or catsup. Yep, just a bit of catsup.
Leave the pennies in it for several hours. Come back and rinse and
you will have shiny pennies.
Michelle
<debra.rossing@m...> wrote:
>research"
> --- In [email protected], "scrapgal"
> <pamperedmichelle@g...> wrote:
> >
> > (Although I did have to purchase a bottle of Ka-Boom
> > once to make Keon happy and surprisingly it did what it said it
> > would on tv.)
> >> Michelle
>
> LOL Ka-Boom was the instigator for some major "scientific
> at our house yesterday. DS saw the commercial and wanted to getsome
> to shine his pennies in his piggy bank. That led to testing outall
> sorts of (safe) household stuff - vinegar, lemon juice, bakingresult:
> soda/vinegar mix, etc. to see what would shine pennies. End
> nothing was quite as easy and shiny as the Ka-Boom looked to be.So
> we may end up with some too. Glad to hear it actually works asI've never thought of using it to shine pennies (we are avid penny
> advertised.
pressers and like to shine our pennies before we go to Disney
World.) Maybe we will have to go try this. We usually use either
vinegar and baking soda or catsup. Yep, just a bit of catsup.
Leave the pennies in it for several hours. Come back and rinse and
you will have shiny pennies.
Michelle
Deb Lewis
***But how does our intrepid organizer feel about this sad
development?***
I *tried* to talk Kelly into paying my way as a speaker but for some
crazy reason she thinks folks won't want to watch me vomit and faint.
And she calls herself a conference Diva! <g>
Deb, who's joking, but not about the upchucking and fainting...
development?***
I *tried* to talk Kelly into paying my way as a speaker but for some
crazy reason she thinks folks won't want to watch me vomit and faint.
And she calls herself a conference Diva! <g>
Deb, who's joking, but not about the upchucking and fainting...
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Well, I know that sitting in the soapy dish water with a litle tomato sauce
does wonders for my Revere Cookware (copper bottom), so I'm not surprised
about the ketchup.
Cheryl
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does wonders for my Revere Cookware (copper bottom), so I'm not surprised
about the ketchup.
Cheryl
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polykow
Well, I know that sitting in the soapy dish water with a litle tomato sauce
does wonders for my Revere Cookware (copper bottom), so I'm not surprised
about the ketchup.
Gret to know!!! I will get my Revere Cookware Copper Botton in ketchup ASAP!!
LOL
Alex
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does wonders for my Revere Cookware (copper bottom), so I'm not surprised
about the ketchup.
Gret to know!!! I will get my Revere Cookware Copper Botton in ketchup ASAP!!
LOL
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soggyboysmom
> Yep, just a bit of catsup.I think that's where the problem comes in - he wanted them shiny
> Leave the pennies in it for several hours. Come back and rinse and
> you will have shiny pennies.
>
> Michelle
NOW! I'll see if they want to try an overnight experiment with the
various "solutions". And now I know to add catsup to the list. Hmm I
think DS might even still have a little Pepsi left - cola soda
probably works - it gets gunk off car battery terminals, don't see
why it wouldn't help pennies get shiny.
I think the commercial for Ka-Boom that DS saw showed the guy
dipping a penny halfway into a little bowl of the solution and when
it came out, the dipped part was shiny.
Thanks for the catsup tip!
Daniel MacIntyre
Yes, cola will get pennies shiny - it will also dissolve a penny given
enough time.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:36:30 -0000, soggyboysmom
<debra.rossing@...> wrote:
Daniel
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enough time.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:36:30 -0000, soggyboysmom
<debra.rossing@...> wrote:
>--
>
> > Yep, just a bit of catsup.
> > Leave the pennies in it for several hours. Come back and rinse and
> > you will have shiny pennies.
> >
> > Michelle
>
> I think that's where the problem comes in - he wanted them shiny
> NOW! I'll see if they want to try an overnight experiment with the
> various "solutions". And now I know to add catsup to the list. Hmm I
> think DS might even still have a little Pepsi left - cola soda
> probably works - it gets gunk off car battery terminals, don't see
> why it wouldn't help pennies get shiny.
>
> I think the commercial for Ka-Boom that DS saw showed the guy
> dipping a penny halfway into a little bowl of the solution and when
> it came out, the dipped part was shiny.
>
> Thanks for the catsup tip!
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
Daniel
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scrapgal
--- In [email protected], Daniel MacIntyre
<daniel.macintyre@g...> wrote:
rumor. We did this in high school chemistry. We put 3 nails in 3
different beakers. One had nothing in it. One had water. The
third had Coca-cola. We left them for one week. The nail in the
empty glass was the same as the day we put it in there. The nails
in the other two glasses were slightly rusted (we actually had to
collect the rust particles and weigh them for our class - it was
truly fun!) But the rate of deteriation was the same. Snopes
explaines it well:
http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/tooth.asp
Michelle
<daniel.macintyre@g...> wrote:
> Yes, cola will get pennies shiny - it will also dissolve a pennygiven
> enough time.Um, you missed that episode of Mythbusters :-) This is truly a
>
rumor. We did this in high school chemistry. We put 3 nails in 3
different beakers. One had nothing in it. One had water. The
third had Coca-cola. We left them for one week. The nail in the
empty glass was the same as the day we put it in there. The nails
in the other two glasses were slightly rusted (we actually had to
collect the rust particles and weigh them for our class - it was
truly fun!) But the rate of deteriation was the same. Snopes
explaines it well:
http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/tooth.asp
Michelle
Pam Sorooshian
On Mar 18, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Daniel MacIntyre wrote:
an orange.
-pam
> Yes, cola will get pennies shiny - it will also dissolve a penny givenThere is .055 percent phosphoric acid in cola and 1.09 percent acid in
> enough time.
an orange.
-pam
Danielle Conger
== I *tried* to talk Kelly into paying my way as a speaker but for some
crazy reason she thinks folks won't want to watch me vomit and faint.
And she calls herself a conference Diva! <g>
===
Hey c'mon--it worked for the Reduced Shakespeare Company!
~~Danielle
Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (4.5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html
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crazy reason she thinks folks won't want to watch me vomit and faint.
And she calls herself a conference Diva! <g>
===
Hey c'mon--it worked for the Reduced Shakespeare Company!
~~Danielle
Emily (7), Julia (6), Sam (4.5)
http://www.danielleconger.com/Homeschool/Welcomehome.html
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"With our thoughts, we make the world." ~~Buddha
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