opinions wanted on unschooling
Ren Allen
"It troubles me somewhat when I see people proudly proclaiming
themselves to be radical unschoolers in posts full of misspellings
and
sentence fragments."
So do you believe that those children are somehow being cheated of
great unschooling parents because their folks can't spell or write
perfectly? HOW ON EARTH is good spelling and writing paramount to
being a FABULOUS unschool parent? How on earth is good spelling and
writing paramount to a successful, rewarding life?
Wow...that is so harsh and judgemental and SO offbase I don't even
know where to start. There are a few people here, and at
unschooling.com or other places that consistently misspell certain
words. Big deal. I probably make more grammatic errors than most,
but I can also get paid for publishing my writing!!
My bil makes in excess of $100k per year and can't spell very well
at all!! I know story upon story of poor writers/spellers that are
absolutely brilliant. I'm saddened that your opinion of these
radical unschoolers is so affected by one school subject.
If that same parent, that can't spell very well is also one of the
most gentle and kind parents, a parent that is highly involved with
their children and showing them how to get information, a parent
that is wildly successful in whatever they choose to do in life,
would that change your opinion? Maybe school subjects aren't the end-
all-be-all of a wonderful life, NOR a good indicator of who will
make a great unschooling parent.
Personally, there are many very dull minded people that can spell
and write perfectly. I prefer those with sharp wit and the ability
to THINK.
Ren
themselves to be radical unschoolers in posts full of misspellings
and
sentence fragments."
So do you believe that those children are somehow being cheated of
great unschooling parents because their folks can't spell or write
perfectly? HOW ON EARTH is good spelling and writing paramount to
being a FABULOUS unschool parent? How on earth is good spelling and
writing paramount to a successful, rewarding life?
Wow...that is so harsh and judgemental and SO offbase I don't even
know where to start. There are a few people here, and at
unschooling.com or other places that consistently misspell certain
words. Big deal. I probably make more grammatic errors than most,
but I can also get paid for publishing my writing!!
My bil makes in excess of $100k per year and can't spell very well
at all!! I know story upon story of poor writers/spellers that are
absolutely brilliant. I'm saddened that your opinion of these
radical unschoolers is so affected by one school subject.
If that same parent, that can't spell very well is also one of the
most gentle and kind parents, a parent that is highly involved with
their children and showing them how to get information, a parent
that is wildly successful in whatever they choose to do in life,
would that change your opinion? Maybe school subjects aren't the end-
all-be-all of a wonderful life, NOR a good indicator of who will
make a great unschooling parent.
Personally, there are many very dull minded people that can spell
and write perfectly. I prefer those with sharp wit and the ability
to THINK.
Ren
Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani
----- Original Message -----
From: Ren Allen
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:45 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] opinions wanted on unschooling
>"It troubles me somewhat when I see people proudly proclaiming
themselves to be radical unschoolers in posts full of misspellings
and
sentence fragments."<
>>>>Wow...that is so harsh and judgemental and SO offbase I don't even
know where to start. There are a few people here, and at
unschooling.com or other places that consistently misspell certain
words. Big deal. I probably make more grammatic errors than most,
but I can also get paid for publishing my writing!! <<<<<
This just goes along with schoolish thinking--that spelling and grammar, expressing oneself with words equals future success.
When people fully accept unschooling as a lifestyle, they tend to let go of so many of their biases and judgments of people in general that they formerly saw as important become trivial. Unschooling is not only good for parents and children, but for the world in general. Unschooling goes straight to the heart of what is really important in life--joy, fulfillment, relationships, love of life.
:o)
Nichole
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Angela S
*
"It troubles me somewhat when I see people proudly proclaiming
themselves to be radical unschoolers in posts full of misspellings
and
sentence fragments.".
How many of these unschooling parents who can't spell were unschooled
themselves? I'd wager none. They probably can't spell despite the fact
that they went through the public school system.
Despite that, I think spelling is like penmanship. For some people it comes
easy and for some people, no matter how hard they work, it comes with great
difficulty.
Angela ~ Maine
game-enthusiast@...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
"It troubles me somewhat when I see people proudly proclaiming
themselves to be radical unschoolers in posts full of misspellings
and
sentence fragments.".
How many of these unschooling parents who can't spell were unschooled
themselves? I'd wager none. They probably can't spell despite the fact
that they went through the public school system.
Despite that, I think spelling is like penmanship. For some people it comes
easy and for some people, no matter how hard they work, it comes with great
difficulty.
Angela ~ Maine
game-enthusiast@...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
dana tierney
I'd think the child is lucky to have great parents and hope there is a
role model in the picture for spelling :) because, like it or not,
people do assess literacy based on spelling. I myself know that this
is not necessarily the case and have often said that there would seem
to be a spelling gene and that I and my son have it while my daughter
and my sister do not. But just because my daughter doesn't have it
doesn't mean it isn't important. And people who cannot spell and
cannot be bothered to use spellcheck seem to think that spelling is
not important :)
Dana
role model in the picture for spelling :) because, like it or not,
people do assess literacy based on spelling. I myself know that this
is not necessarily the case and have often said that there would seem
to be a spelling gene and that I and my son have it while my daughter
and my sister do not. But just because my daughter doesn't have it
doesn't mean it isn't important. And people who cannot spell and
cannot be bothered to use spellcheck seem to think that spelling is
not important :)
Dana
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:45:39 -0000, Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>
>
> "It troubles me somewhat when I see people proudly proclaiming
> themselves to be radical unschoolers in posts full of misspellings
> and
> sentence fragments."
>
> So do you believe that those children are somehow being cheated of
> great unschooling parents because their folks can't spell or write
> perfectly? HOW ON EARTH is good spelling and writing paramount to
> being a FABULOUS unschool parent? How on earth is good spelling and
> writing paramount to a successful, rewarding life?
>
> Wow...that is so harsh and judgemental and SO offbase I don't even
> know where to start. There are a few people here, and at
> unschooling.com or other places that consistently misspell certain
> words. Big deal. I probably make more grammatic errors than most,
> but I can also get paid for publishing my writing!!
>
> My bil makes in excess of $100k per year and can't spell very well
> at all!! I know story upon story of poor writers/spellers that are
> absolutely brilliant. I'm saddened that your opinion of these
> radical unschoolers is so affected by one school subject.
>
> If that same parent, that can't spell very well is also one of the
> most gentle and kind parents, a parent that is highly involved with
> their children and showing them how to get information, a parent
> that is wildly successful in whatever they choose to do in life,
> would that change your opinion? Maybe school subjects aren't the end-
> all-be-all of a wonderful life, NOR a good indicator of who will
> make a great unschooling parent.
>
> Personally, there are many very dull minded people that can spell
> and write perfectly. I prefer those with sharp wit and the ability
> to THINK.
>
> Ren
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
pam sorooshian
On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:26 PM, dana tierney wrote:
English until he came to this country when he was an adult, after
college in his native country. He spent a year learning English and was
admitted to graduate school at USC. He is extremely intelligent and
competent and he has a successful career as an econometrician. But
spelling? Never going to be good at it. So what? He gets someone who
does spell well to check his spelling for him. I do it often.
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
> I'd think the child is lucky to have great parents and hope there is aI'm a natural speller, but my husband is an immigrant and didn't learn
> role model in the picture for spelling :) because, like it or not,
> people do assess literacy based on spelling.
English until he came to this country when he was an adult, after
college in his native country. He spent a year learning English and was
admitted to graduate school at USC. He is extremely intelligent and
competent and he has a successful career as an econometrician. But
spelling? Never going to be good at it. So what? He gets someone who
does spell well to check his spelling for him. I do it often.
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/14/2004 6:34:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dana.tierney@... writes:
And people who cannot spell and
cannot be bothered to use spellcheck seem to think that spelling is
not important :)<<<<
Those aren't the only two options though. I am a horrible speller. And that
is OK, I have managed to graduate HS and go on to get a BS, which I don't
use at all, graduated top 10% of my class in both. Have held down jobs and am
a homeschool Mom who is very active in the community and well respected, I
think...LOL. But there are other options, asking someone to spell something
for you, a dictionary, using a different word that you do know how to spell,
writing the word down several different ways to see if one way pops out at you
as correct. Spell check is not the only option for a poor speller. And I
don't believe that spelling lessons, etc., will always help. I did all that in
school and actually scored very well on spelling tests.
As a poor speller, I have always known that this was not a strong point for
me and I figured out ways to work with it, make it easier for me. That is
what I feel is important. Learning to work with your weaknesses. Recognizing
them and being able to problem solve and be creative.
Just my thoughts,
Pam G
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
dana.tierney@... writes:
And people who cannot spell and
cannot be bothered to use spellcheck seem to think that spelling is
not important :)<<<<
Those aren't the only two options though. I am a horrible speller. And that
is OK, I have managed to graduate HS and go on to get a BS, which I don't
use at all, graduated top 10% of my class in both. Have held down jobs and am
a homeschool Mom who is very active in the community and well respected, I
think...LOL. But there are other options, asking someone to spell something
for you, a dictionary, using a different word that you do know how to spell,
writing the word down several different ways to see if one way pops out at you
as correct. Spell check is not the only option for a poor speller. And I
don't believe that spelling lessons, etc., will always help. I did all that in
school and actually scored very well on spelling tests.
As a poor speller, I have always known that this was not a strong point for
me and I figured out ways to work with it, make it easier for me. That is
what I feel is important. Learning to work with your weaknesses. Recognizing
them and being able to problem solve and be creative.
Just my thoughts,
Pam G
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
dana tierney
right. But he does get the spelling checked :)
Dana
Dana
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:48:40 -0700, pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:26 PM, dana tierney wrote:
>
> > I'd think the child is lucky to have great parents and hope there is a
> > role model in the picture for spelling :) because, like it or not,
> > people do assess literacy based on spelling.
>
> I'm a natural speller, but my husband is an immigrant and didn't learn
> English until he came to this country when he was an adult, after
> college in his native country. He spent a year learning English and was
> admitted to graduate school at USC. He is extremely intelligent and
> competent and he has a successful career as an econometrician. But
> spelling? Never going to be good at it. So what? He gets someone who
> does spell well to check his spelling for him. I do it often.
>
> -pam
> National Home Education Network
> <www.NHEN.org>
> Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
> through information, networking and public relations.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
pam sorooshian
On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:26 PM, dana tierney wrote:
parents by how well they spell.
"It troubles me somewhat when I see people proudly proclaiming
themselves to be radical unschoolers in posts full of misspellings and
sentence fragments. Fortunately these are a minority of unschooling
parents, and I tell myself that just as childen survive bab schools
their children will survive their unschooling parents."
I think many children will even survive defensive, judgmental and/or
supercilious parents.
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
> But just because my daughter doesn't have itI spell well. I think it is not important enough to judge unschooling
> doesn't mean it isn't important. And people who cannot spell and
> cannot be bothered to use spellcheck seem to think that spelling is
> not important :)
parents by how well they spell.
"It troubles me somewhat when I see people proudly proclaiming
themselves to be radical unschoolers in posts full of misspellings and
sentence fragments. Fortunately these are a minority of unschooling
parents, and I tell myself that just as childen survive bab schools
their children will survive their unschooling parents."
I think many children will even survive defensive, judgmental and/or
supercilious parents.
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
dana tierney
maybe even ignorant and self-righteous ones :)
Dana
Dana
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:54:22 -0700, pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:26 PM, dana tierney wrote:
>
> > But just because my daughter doesn't have it
> > doesn't mean it isn't important. And people who cannot spell and
> > cannot be bothered to use spellcheck seem to think that spelling is
> > not important :)
>
> I spell well. I think it is not important enough to judge unschooling
> parents by how well they spell.
>
> "It troubles me somewhat when I see people proudly proclaiming
> themselves to be radical unschoolers in posts full of misspellings and
> sentence fragments. Fortunately these are a minority of unschooling
> parents, and I tell myself that just as childen survive bab schools
> their children will survive their unschooling parents."
>
> I think many children will even survive defensive, judgmental and/or
> supercilious parents.
>
> -pam
> National Home Education Network
> <www.NHEN.org>
> Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
> through information, networking and public relations.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
dana tierney
nope it's not the only option, you're right. Nor is it always
available for that matter...the beta email product from google, which
I use, does not have spell check yet. I really don't want to get
sucked into another round of spelling does not equal intelligence. I
do realize this and have said so in some other thread on this list. I
have a daughter and a sister who can't spell and they are both very
bright.
But I think a parent who teaches a child that it doesnt matter if you
can't spell is doing them a dis-service. It does matter. Nor do I
think that spelling lessons per se are the answer necessarily. At the
moment the spelling coaching I am giving my daughter involves
self-conficence because I have noticed that her misspellings usually
involve the last couple of syllables of long words. I think she gets
flustered, ie Constitushn. This is something that will vary by child.
But it does matter.
Dana
available for that matter...the beta email product from google, which
I use, does not have spell check yet. I really don't want to get
sucked into another round of spelling does not equal intelligence. I
do realize this and have said so in some other thread on this list. I
have a daughter and a sister who can't spell and they are both very
bright.
But I think a parent who teaches a child that it doesnt matter if you
can't spell is doing them a dis-service. It does matter. Nor do I
think that spelling lessons per se are the answer necessarily. At the
moment the spelling coaching I am giving my daughter involves
self-conficence because I have noticed that her misspellings usually
involve the last couple of syllables of long words. I think she gets
flustered, ie Constitushn. This is something that will vary by child.
But it does matter.
Dana
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:50:43 EDT, genant2@... <genant2@...> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/14/2004 6:34:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> dana.tierney@... writes:
>
> And people who cannot spell and
> cannot be bothered to use spellcheck seem to think that spelling is
> not important :)<<<<
>
> Those aren't the only two options though. I am a horrible speller. And that
> is OK, I have managed to graduate HS and go on to get a BS, which I don't
> use at all, graduated top 10% of my class in both. Have held down jobs and am
> a homeschool Mom who is very active in the community and well respected, I
> think...LOL. But there are other options, asking someone to spell something
> for you, a dictionary, using a different word that you do know how to spell,
> writing the word down several different ways to see if one way pops out at you
> as correct. Spell check is not the only option for a poor speller. And I
> don't believe that spelling lessons, etc., will always help. I did all that in
> school and actually scored very well on spelling tests.
>
> As a poor speller, I have always known that this was not a strong point for
> me and I figured out ways to work with it, make it easier for me. That is
> what I feel is important. Learning to work with your weaknesses. Recognizing
> them and being able to problem solve and be creative.
>
> Just my thoughts,
> Pam G
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
pam sorooshian
On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:51 PM, dana tierney wrote:
just like I ignored your usage of "chose" instead of "choose" in a
previous post, I'll ignore that and NOT judge you as an unfit
homeschooling parent whose child will, we can only hope, survive with
you as his only resource.
The problem with being so judgmental, Dana, is that people will pick up
those little grenades and toss them back.
My husband doesn't need to get his spelling checked when he is writing
an email on a discussion list where the entire point of BEING there is
to listen and learn from the content of each others' posts. He gets his
spelling checked when it matters.
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
> right. But he does get the spelling checked :)I'm sure you meant to capitalize "right" in that one-word sentence. So,
>
just like I ignored your usage of "chose" instead of "choose" in a
previous post, I'll ignore that and NOT judge you as an unfit
homeschooling parent whose child will, we can only hope, survive with
you as his only resource.
The problem with being so judgmental, Dana, is that people will pick up
those little grenades and toss them back.
My husband doesn't need to get his spelling checked when he is writing
an email on a discussion list where the entire point of BEING there is
to listen and learn from the content of each others' posts. He gets his
spelling checked when it matters.
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
dana tierney
Pam
I have learned not to argue with the defensive. See previous posts.
Dana
I have learned not to argue with the defensive. See previous posts.
Dana
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:21:42 -0700, pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:51 PM, dana tierney wrote:
>
> > right. But he does get the spelling checked :)
> >
>
> I'm sure you meant to capitalize "right" in that one-word sentence. So,
> just like I ignored your usage of "chose" instead of "choose" in a
> previous post, I'll ignore that and NOT judge you as an unfit
> homeschooling parent whose child will, we can only hope, survive with
> you as his only resource.
>
> The problem with being so judgmental, Dana, is that people will pick up
> those little grenades and toss them back.
>
> My husband doesn't need to get his spelling checked when he is writing
> an email on a discussion list where the entire point of BEING there is
> to listen and learn from the content of each others' posts. He gets his
> spelling checked when it matters.
>
>
>
> -pam
> National Home Education Network
> <www.NHEN.org>
> Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
> through information, networking and public relations.
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
TreeGoddess
On Oct 14, 2004, at 6:55 PM, dana tierney wrote:
unschooler NOR give any indication that they *want* to unschool?
Writing offensive words followed by smiley faces doesn't make them less
barbed.
-Tracy-
> [maybe even ignorant and self-righteous ones :) ]Why would anyone join a list for unschooling who doesn't claim to be an
unschooler NOR give any indication that they *want* to unschool?
Writing offensive words followed by smiley faces doesn't make them less
barbed.
-Tracy-
dana tierney
Out of curiosity why would my remarks be offensive when hers are not?
Do you get your email in reverse order? Just wondering as I am not
sure why you would ask this if you have read my earlier emails.
Dana
Do you get your email in reverse order? Just wondering as I am not
sure why you would ask this if you have read my earlier emails.
Dana
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:49:39 -0400, TreeGoddess <treegoddess@...> wrote:
>
> On Oct 14, 2004, at 6:55 PM, dana tierney wrote:
>
> > [maybe even ignorant and self-righteous ones :) ]
>
> Why would anyone join a list for unschooling who doesn't claim to be an
> unschooler NOR give any indication that they *want* to unschool?
>
> Writing offensive words followed by smiley faces doesn't make them less
> barbed.
>
> -Tracy-
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
averyschmidt
> At theusually
> moment the spelling coaching I am giving my daughter involves
> self-conficence because I have noticed that her misspellings
> involve the last couple of syllables of long words.Dana,
I think you meant "self-confidence" not self-conficence.
So when you said in another post "And people who cannot spell and
cannot be bothered to use spellcheck seem to think that spelling is
not important" -were you including yourself among the people who
cannot be bothered? If so, then what's the basis for your argument
about how important it is to check our spelling or have someone else
do it for us?
Patti
dana tierney
ah, more defensive nit-picking. Now tell me, does that look to you
like a typo or does it look like a spelling mistake? I am talking
about people who would write confedance and feel like it doesn't make
a difference :)
But tell you what :) it has been gently brought to my attention that
Google *does* have a spellcheck, which I had overlooked. Since my
typos offend you, if and when I post here again, I'll be sure to run
it just for you :)
Have a nice night.
Dana
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:39:55 -0000, averyschmidt
<patti.schmidt2@...> wrote:
like a typo or does it look like a spelling mistake? I am talking
about people who would write confedance and feel like it doesn't make
a difference :)
But tell you what :) it has been gently brought to my attention that
Google *does* have a spellcheck, which I had overlooked. Since my
typos offend you, if and when I post here again, I'll be sure to run
it just for you :)
Have a nice night.
Dana
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:39:55 -0000, averyschmidt
<patti.schmidt2@...> wrote:
>
>
> > At the
> > moment the spelling coaching I am giving my daughter involves
> > self-conficence because I have noticed that her misspellings
> usually
> > involve the last couple of syllables of long words.
>
> Dana,
> I think you meant "self-confidence" not self-conficence.
>
> So when you said in another post "And people who cannot spell and
> cannot be bothered to use spellcheck seem to think that spelling is
> not important" -were you including yourself among the people who
> cannot be bothered? If so, then what's the basis for your argument
> about how important it is to check our spelling or have someone else
> do it for us?
>
> Patti
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
Robyn Coburn
<<<I'd think the child is lucky to have great parents and hope there is a
role model in the picture for spelling :) because, like it or not,
people do assess literacy based on spelling. >>>>
Just to keep the discussion going which people are these, and why do they
matter to my child?
Robyn L. Coburn
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004
role model in the picture for spelling :) because, like it or not,
people do assess literacy based on spelling. >>>>
Just to keep the discussion going which people are these, and why do they
matter to my child?
Robyn L. Coburn
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004
dana tierney
> Just to keep the discussion goingwhy?
averyschmidt
> ah, more defensive nit-picking.Mabye you could have an intelligent conversation if you leave the
sarcasm and "yadda yaddas" out of it. It really gets in the way.
> Google *does* have a spellcheck, which I had overlooked. Since myrun
> typos offend you, if and when I post here again, I'll be sure to
> it just for youI couldn't care less about how other people spell, and I care alot
more about whether the content of a post inspires me than I do about
how many typos it has.
I saw hypocrisy in your insistence on how important spelling is (and
your baiting comments about "surviving" one's ignorant misspelling
parents) in light of *your* frequent misspellings and poor grammar.
Typo away.
Patti
dana tierney
thank you for your permission. Actually, I don't believe I was the
first to use the word survive. But it's a thought that surfaced on
another list and it consoles me at times. There are bad homeschooling
parents as there are bad schools. And children generally survive them
both.
Dana
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:28:58 -0000, averyschmidt
<patti.schmidt2@...> wrote:
first to use the word survive. But it's a thought that surfaced on
another list and it consoles me at times. There are bad homeschooling
parents as there are bad schools. And children generally survive them
both.
Dana
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:28:58 -0000, averyschmidt
<patti.schmidt2@...> wrote:
>
>
> > ah, more defensive nit-picking.
>
> Mabye you could have an intelligent conversation if you leave the
> sarcasm and "yadda yaddas" out of it. It really gets in the way.
>
> > Google *does* have a spellcheck, which I had overlooked. Since my
> > typos offend you, if and when I post here again, I'll be sure to
> run
> > it just for you
>
> I couldn't care less about how other people spell, and I care alot
> more about whether the content of a post inspires me than I do about
> how many typos it has.
> I saw hypocrisy in your insistence on how important spelling is (and
> your baiting comments about "surviving" one's ignorant misspelling
> parents) in light of *your* frequent misspellings and poor grammar.
> Typo away.
>
>
>
> Patti
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>