strega nona

Hi,
I am Pam, grandmother to Bj. He is 8 yrs. old. We have been homeschooling since last year in Feb. We gave it up, and just went to unschooling. I don't have any support here. And thats why I need you guys. I belong to the other groups also, I don't post, but I sure read alot. By the time I get something straight in my head to say, someone else has already said it.
Glad to be here!
 
Pam
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In a message dated 5/28/2004 11:13:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, weatherse@... writes:

Hi,
I am Pam, grandmother to Bj. He is 8 yrs. old. We have been homeschooling since last year in Feb. We gave it up, and just went to unschooling. I don't have any support here. And thats why I need you guys. I belong to the other groups also, I don't post, but I sure read alot. By the time I get something straight in my head to say, someone else has already said it.
Glad to be here!<<<<
 
 
Pam, Where are you? I bet we know someone near you!
 
And we'd like to se you post here!
 
~Kelly

Alyce

Hey there all! I'm on a couple of other groups as well, but don't
really post too often. Now and again. I see some familiar names
here. My name is Alyce. I live in CA with my ds, 8, a dd, 14, and
a dd, 20. We've been unschooling for a couple of years now, but I
still feel like a beginner in so many ways. I guess it's because we
really do learn new things every day - it takes a while to make such
a complete lifestyle change. I started completely at square 1 when
we embarked on this adventure - my way of thinking about everything
needed major adjustment. Complete overhaul. I had 36 years of
stinkin thinkin to repair! :) It's not always been easy - and
doesn't help any that I have to keep our unschooling lifestyle
pretty much a secret from the extended family (read: my parents and
any other relative not residing in my home with my dh and kids).

Anyway, looking forward to the ongoing learning.

Thanks! ~Alyce

genant04

Hi guys,
I just finished reading all the posts. My name is Pam but usually
sign Pam G so that you can tell all the Pams apart. My dh, Jackson
and I live in the foothills in NC with out 2 sons, Dallen-9 and
Phillip-7. We started out as attachment parents and everything just
flowed naturally from there. Didn't know what we were doing had a
name until I picked up and read The Unschooling Handbook. That was
us and so I did a google search and came up with the SOS group web
page in South Carolina and read about and attended the first
unschooling conference. From there I met people and found a couple
of yahoo lists and the rest is history...here I am...over from
the "other" list.

I know what it is like to try to find like minded people. I live in
a very "school at home" area. I have over the years met 2 other
unschooling families that live pretty close, close enough to see on a
regular basis. But when you are unschoolers like minded people are
only a car ride away. A friend and I drive for hours sometimes to
meet up with other unschoolers and just get together and talk and
have fun.

Glad to be here,
Pam G

Tabitha

My name is Tabitha. I live in Northeast Ohio. I have 4 children
ages 7wks-5 3/4yrs. I need any info that I can get! We had/have
been doing workbooks off & on. I really want to jump into to
unschooling though. But I am totally afraid of keeping portfolios
for all my children eventually & having a teacher look at them. It
just looks easier with a curriculum or workbooks because you
just go through and keep whatever you want with 1 child or 4
children. Any ideas from others who keep track of more than 1
child?

Thank you
Tab

Robyn Coburn

<<<My name is Tabitha. I live in Northeast Ohio. I have 4 children
ages 7wks-5 3/4yrs. I need any info that I can get! We had/have
been doing workbooks off & on. I really want to jump into to
unschooling though. But I am totally afraid of keeping portfolios
for all my children eventually & having a teacher look at them. It
just looks easier with a curriculum or workbooks because you
just go through and keep whatever you want with 1 child or 4
children. Any ideas from others who keep track of more than 1
child?>>>


According to www.nhen.org in Ohio you can do assessments with either
standardized tests, written narrative or other mutually agreed upon method.
Your children need to be six before September 30 to be "school age" in Ohio.
Does that apply to your eldest? Worrying now about assessments for the 7
weeker MAY be a tad unnecessary ;) - the law may have changed in 6 years.
Congratulations on a new baby.

I urge you to get in touch with some State and local groups. People in
States that have assessments tend to keep word of mouth networks about
assessors who are unschooling friendly, as well as having good advice about
how much to show, and what materials are looked for by the assessors.

One group local to you is: (from NHEN)

http://www.ohiohomeeducators.net/

I don't know if they are unschooling friendly, but they do have legislative
info posted. I'm sure Ohio contingent here will come out of the woodwork as
the day progresses.

From what I gather online, most people who are initially worried find they
end up with more than enough material to show "progress" just by collecting
(with their concurrence of course) samples of the stuff their kids do on a
daily basis, photos of outings or building projects, and things like ticket
stubs and receipts.

Robyn L. Coburn


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TreeGoddess

Tabitha,

Here's a link that you might find useful and then you could just tweek
it a bit to fit your child(ren)'s portfolio. I've also heard of
families taking photos of their kids "doing" ______ (cooking, nature
walks, etc.) and put them into their portfolios -- after all, a picture
is worth a thousand words. ;) LOL
http://sandradodd.com/unschoolingcurriculum.html

Or, you just just move a little more north here into Michigan and not
have to deal with submitting curriculum plans and portfolios. ;) hee
hee
-Tracy-

On Jun 25, 2004, at 11:29 PM, Tabitha wrote:

> I really want to jump into to unschooling though. But I am totally
> afraid of keeping portfolios for all my children eventually & having
> a teacher look at them. It just looks easier with a curriculum or
> workbooks because you
> just go through and keep whatever you want with 1 child or 4
> children. Any ideas from others who keep track of more than 1
> child?

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I have to keep portfolio's on my kids. Although we don't have to turn them
in, its in Missouri's law that we have them for evidence in court should
someone question what we are doing.
I only have the last year behind me, but you'll probably be directed to a
site like educationese. It really will open your eyes to how play, or trips
to different places IS learning. Read lots of books on unschooling, so you
can get the feel of exactly what this is all about. After you understand
that, if you are wanting to make it all look very "professional" there is another
site that has teachers terminology that makes it easy to take what you kids
are learning and put it on paper in that language only teachers use!
Syndi-----ps....the best advice I got when starting to hs was to take the
year off to learn exactly what we were going to do. So I started studying all
the different methods which lead to unschooling which lead to reasons to
trust my kids which lead to a whole lifestyle change. And some much happier
kids!

"...since we can't know what knowledge will be most needed in the future, it
is senseless to try to teach it in advance. Instead, we should try to turn
out people who love learning so much and learn so well that they will be able
to learn whatever needs to be learned."
-- _John Holt_ (http://www.quoteworld.org/author.php?thetext=John+Holt)


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[email protected]

In a message dated 6/26/2004 3:01:09 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
*We've been travelling and partying
(Cajun night tonight---those crayfish are in season, ya' know!)
>>>Kelly! Are you by any chance down in my neck of the woods (Louisiana)?
On second thought, guess not since you called them 'crayfish' rather than
'crawfish' : )


* But I have a few questions for you
newbies. How did y'all find UnschoolingBasics? Were you referred here from
another list? A friend? A website? Surfing?
>>>I found y'all from hearing it talked about on the unschooling discussion
list, I think. At one time, I was on that one, uschooling 101, and
unschoolingdiscussionS, but now have pared down to just this one.


*Are you coming to unschooling from attachment parenting----like Robyn and
Rue and Deb? Or are you coming into it from a schooling background, like me
and Pam and Ren?
>>>From attachment parenting.


*Are you looking at unschooling as a means of "education" only? Or do you
find it emcompassing your lives? Do you want to limit it to educational
things?
Or do you want it as a lifestyle?
>>>Definitely as a lifestyle, encompassing everything we do.

Briefly, will add that dh and I were 'late bloomers' having married 9 years
ago when we were 37 & 39(me). After 5 years of infertility, we finally
conceived our dd, who just recently made 5 when I was 44.

We joined our local inclusive homeschool group here in Louisiana when Emma
was 2, to get a feel for things. Began really looking into all the different
'methods' then and discovered unschooling. At first I only heard about it as an
educational concept but then the more I read (Summerhill, then Johh Holt for
example) the more I began to see that it could be much more than that. I'm
very grateful for these lists and all of you 'old farts' (as Kelly said - LOL)
who are here to answer questions and give examples of how things work in your
family.

I'll turn 50 next year and one of the things I'm planning for myself :) is to
get our family to next year's Live & Learn convention. I get goose bumps
just thinking what that experience would mean for my dh and dd! I'm also hoping
that we can make it to Ren's?? beachparty since we're really not THAT far away!

Warmly,
Denise


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cat

Hi - I am Cat mama of Lydia (6.5) and Jonathan (1.5). We live in
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Although I had planned to homeschool since
well before I had children, I had envisioned school-at-home in the
Well-Trained Mind vein. When my daughter was 5 or so, it occurred to
me that the whole WTM structure was radically opposed to the way we
actually live and relate to each other. So we ended up unschooling
as the logical extension of our non-coercive, attachment parenting
style of parenting.

-Cat

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In a message dated 6/27/2004 8:07:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
aceto3@... writes:

Although I had planned to homeschool since
well before I had children, I had envisioned school-at-home in the
Well-Trained Mind vein. When my daughter was 5 or so, it occurred to
me that the whole WTM structure was radically opposed to the way we
actually live and relate to each other. <<<<

Before we pulled Cameron out of school to homeschool, Ben gave me The
Well-Trained MInd as a Mother's Day present. I was in HEAVEN! So many cool
things---and "in order" too! I would have eaten that stuff up as a child!

I'll still look through it occasionally for some ideas---for ME! It's NOT
for my children! They'd be miserable with that schedule! But it's right up my
alley! <g> All those classics, great literature, history----cool science
stuff. For ME! <g>

~Kelly


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Kathy

Hi all.

My name is Kathy. I have a 3 month old son named Caed. My husband,
Chad, and I knew we wanted to unschool our children before we even
thought about starting a family. I am very new to unschooling and
love reading the posts and getting ideas of what to do. The hardest
part has been convincing our parents that unschooling is right for our
family. My mother-in-law is a former English teacher and there are a
lot of teachers in my husbands family. I am a former pre-school
teacher, however I never agreed with school policies of set times when
children are allowed to play, nap, do art, etc. My belief is that
children should be allowed to be children. They need to play and
explore, not have lessons forced down their throats. I could really
use a good, concise definition of what unschooling is to tell the
family. Also, off subject, what does the "d" stand for? I see alot
of dh, dd, and ds. I'm guessing h, d, and s are for husband,
daughter, and son, but that first d sends me for a loop. :) Anyway,
advice on how to go about unschooling and deschooling (ourselves and
mainly, our parents) is helpful. And info on unschoolers getting into
universities - how do they do it, what about diplomoas, etc. - would
help our case with our parents. With luck, in time, they will grow to
respect our decision about how we want to raise our family.

Thank a bunch
Kathy, Chad and Caed

Jon and Rue Kream

Hi Kathy -

>>The hardest
part has been convincing our parents that unschooling is right for our
family.

**My mom's director of curriculum at a private school and a former special
ed teacher, my sister's a teacher, my bil (brother in law) teaches, my uncle
was a principal, two aunts are teachers...you get the picture :0). None of
them need to be convinced that what we're doing is right for our family.
They all just need to respect that they are our choices to make.

>>what does the "d" stand for?

**Depends on your mood <G>. Usually 'dear'.

>>And info on unschoolers getting into
universities

**Lots of unschoolers have moved on to college. Valerie can tell you about
her daughter' Laurie's experience - and you can read more about her:
http://www.ubpub.com/ . ~Rue


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Robyn Coburn

<<< Also, off subject, what does the "d" stand for? I see alot
of dh, dd, and ds. I'm guessing h, d, and s are for husband,
daughter, and son, but that first d sends me for a loop.>>>

"Dear" or "Darling" daughter, husband, son etc

Robyn L. Coburn

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Thanks. Now it all makes scence.

Kathy
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> <<< Also, off subject, what does the "d" stand for? I see alot
> of dh, dd, and ds. I'm guessing h, d, and s are for husband,
> daughter, and son, but that first d sends me for a loop.>>>
>
> "Dear" or "Darling" daughter, husband, son etc
>
> Robyn L. Coburn
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> **Lots of unschoolers have moved on to college. Valerie can tell
you about
> her daughter' Laurie's experience - and you can read more about
her:
> http://www.ubpub.com/ . ~Rue

****** :-) Yep, I certainly can! What would you like to know?

love, Valerie

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In a message dated 7/1/2004 3:27:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
butterfly5402@... writes:

>>>>I could really
use a good, concise definition of what unschooling is to tell the
family.,<<<<

Learning through living. The learning that happens naturally BEFORE a child
goes to school and AFTER he leaves school. We're just doing THAT now.

You can actually google "Unschooling definition" and get dozens of
definitions. Maybe one would hit you just right.



>>>Also, off subject, what does the "d" stand for? I see alot
of dh, dd, and ds. I'm guessing h, d, and s are for husband,
daughter, and son, but that first d sends me for a loop. :) <<<<

Dear, darling. And "c" is for child(ren).


>>>>Anyway,advice on how to go about unschooling and deschooling (ourselves
and
mainly, our parents) is helpful.<<<<<

Live your lives as if school didn't exist.


>>>>>And info on unschoolers getting into
universities - how do they do it, what about diplomoas, etc. - would
help our case with our parents<<<<<<


They use portfolios and real life work experience. You can make up a
diploma: it's just a piece of paper! <g> But it's really not necessary. Most
colleges are actively seeking out unschoolers as they are great students who *want*
to learn (they aren't burned out by the school system) and they add to the
diversity that colleges are trying to establish.


>>>With luck, in time, they will grow to respect our decision about how we
want to raise our family.<<<<

I don't think it has anything to do with luck! <g> I think that if they
can't respect YOUR decisions, then *they* must think that they didn't do such a
hot job raising you, so they need to keep their mouths shut! They had their
turn; now it's yours. They need to back off.

~Kelly






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Geneva Goza

Do you all know any unschooled students currently enrolled in a college or university?
(Question from my husband, though still a good question).

I guess we are still confused on how our kids would get in without a diploma. I am sorting through the links from that google search (homeschool friendly colleges). I appreciate everyone's advice and info - things are looking good over here.

We're talking about how my love for cooking and my husband musical gift, were just ignored in school.



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Jon and Rue Kream

>>Do you all know any unschooled students currently enrolled in a college or
university?

**That's Valerie's cue. I'm sure she'll be along, but in the meantime you
can check out her daughter Laurie's site: http://www.chancey.info/. Looks
like she's re-doing it, but you can at least show her to your husband :0).
~Rue


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[email protected]

In a message dated 7/16/2004 9:58:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
skreams@... writes:

>>Do you all know any unschooled students currently enrolled in a college or
university?

**That's Valerie's cue. I'm sure she'll be along, but in the meantime you
can check out her daughter Laurie's site: http://www.chancey.info/. Looks
like she's re-doing it, but you can at least show her to your husband :0).
~Rue<<<<

also Ned Vare and Luz Shosie's son, Cassidy. Recent graduate of Hunter
College of NY. _www.borntoexplore.com_ (http://www.borntoexplore.com)


~Kelly







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Susan Harrison

The rep at our state college said anyone can go to college, they do not neet a diploma. In our case specifically, she said if Ely took and passed 18 credits she could be accepted into a program or her choice. So this fall she is taking her basics and then going into a program.

I have another college question though, my daughter wants to study in another country - England. Does anyone know where I can get information about this? We do not have alot of money, so I was hoping for a work study dorm kind of program.

Thanks

Geneva Goza <goza@...> wrote:
Do you all know any unschooled students currently enrolled in a college or university?
(Question from my husband, though still a good question).

I guess we are still confused on how our kids would get in without a diploma. I am sorting through the links from that google search (homeschool friendly colleges). I appreciate everyone's advice and info - things are looking good over here.

We're talking about how my love for cooking and my husband musical gift, were just ignored in school.



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mrskos1997

I am new to the group and so far I am loving what everyone is
saying. So many of my thoughts are there and it helps to have
people share them. I have 2 kids (3 years and 1 1/2 years) and I
hope to unschool them. I have some patience problems and I find my
daughter is "spirited". I hope to find some support out there to
help me get over some of my frustration and help us down this new
path. I have alot of family who are against homeschooling and now
that I have found unschooling, I am terrified to let them know that
is what I am thinking. To new friends and paths unexplored!!!

Angela

Valerie

--- In [email protected], "Geneva Goza" <goza@m...>
wrote:
> Do you all know any unschooled students currently enrolled in a
college or university?
> (Question from my husband, though still a good question).

***** Geneva, my daughter is a summa cum laude college graduate
about to start grad school. She had never seen a textbook or taken a
test, nor did she have a GED or any other paper. She was unschooled
all of her life and absolutely loves college. I talk about it in my
book. You can read a chapter and see us at my website.

love, Valerie
www.ubpub.com

Valerie

>
> **That's Valerie's cue. I'm sure she'll be along, but in the
meantime you
> can check out her daughter Laurie's site:
http://www.chancey.info/. Looks
> like she's re-doing it, but you can at least show her to your
husband :0).
> ~Rue
>

***** Wow Rue. When did she start that new website? I clicked on it
and asked her, "So, when did you start a new website?" She
said, "Oops, I forgot to tell you." I said, "That's ok. Rue let me
know about it." <g> It's a better more recent pic of her than the
one on my website.

love, Valerie
www.ubpub.com

deirdreaycock

I'm new to the list and have really been enjoying the talk! We are
unschooling our ds 12 and dd 10. We became unschoolers the gradual
way: we started homeschooling about about 5 years ago, gradually
moving from school-at-home to unschooling with our overall parenting
changing along the way. We live in rural Alabama and have met only
a couple of other unschoolers, so the Live and Learn Conference in
Columbia, SC, last year was a big help! Attending that conference
gave me a lot more confidence in my decision to wholeheartedly
unschool. Deirdre

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In a message dated 8/5/2004 6:54:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
aycock@... writes:

We live in rural Alabama and have met only
a couple of other unschoolers, so the Live and Learn Conference in
Columbia, SC, last year was a big help! Attending that conference
gave me a lot more confidence in my decision to wholeheartedly
unschool. Deirdre <<<

COOOOOL! That warms my heart, Deirdre! <g> I'm glad you came!

~Kelly







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autonomousangela

Hi Everyone,
I am Angela and I live in Maine with my two dd's ages 8 (in two
weeks) and 9.5. I have been on and off unschooling lists for over 4
years now so I am familiar with many of you.

The girls have always been unschooled but I credit these forums for
some wonderful changes I've made in parenting over the years. I
feel so lucky to have found these lists while my girls were young. I
am thankful to all the people who have contributed over the years in
sharing their unschooling and parenting ideas.

Anyway, I joined a few days ago and I've been busy reading the old
messages. I was also recently at the Live and Learn conference so I
am even familiar with some of the faces here, although I didn't
really meet and talk with many people.

I look forward to sharing here.

Angela ~ Maine
game-enthusiast@...

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Hi guys,
I am back. Things have slowed down a little here and I have more time for
the computer at the present.

My name is Pam Genant but with so many Pams I sign my e mails Pam G. I have
two boys Dallen age 10 and Phillip age 7, that have never been to school, or
school at home. I live in North Carolina, and am currently planning the
North Carolina Unschoolers Living is Learning Conference. I dabble in writing,
love quilting, enjoy reading, camping and getting to know other Unschoolers.
I have my own yahoo list for North Carolina, NCUnschoolers, and a web site
_http://www.ncunschoolers.com_ (http://www.ncunschoolers.com)

Anyway that is all I can think of for now. If you have any questions please
ask, I look forward to reading and participating on this list again.
Pam G
Living is Learning Conference
13 November 2004
_www.ncunschoolers.com_ (http://www.ncunschoolers.com)


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huntmom1996

Hi, I am new here, and have been reading through the past posts. You
are all so thoughtful, thanks already!

Our daughter, 7 yo, is fresh out of school this year. I really love
the idea of unschooling, and try to come as close to it as possible,
but we are definately still "deschooling" at this point. The poor
thing has had the love of learning "squashed out of her", as someone
pointed out here. She has many interests and loves to read, and every
day seems to come back more into herself. Although, she watched
Shrek 2 five times in two days~someone tell me that's okay!!!!

Right now I am interested in learning from all of you and moving us
in a direction where she can make even the most basic decisions for
herself. Because of the demands of school she needed to be on a
schedule. It really didn't work for her, but now she sometimes
doesn't know how to eat when she's hungry, sleep when she's tired,
and breath when she's tense. That's my goal for ths year~and life!

Sometimes, it seems that complete freedom is too much for her. But
other times, I see the joy and wonder that is just under the
surface. Today we had a wonderful day at the zoo, and sat and
watched the swimming hippo for a half hour. It was amazingly
peaceful for us to be all alone on a cold day with a hippo! How cool
is that?

We also have a 2 y.o who I hope will be always unschooled! Just
tonight he showed me how Barbie legs are actually perfect for
fencing. When you take them off the body they hardly look like legs
at all! He loves having his sister home, and my dh is on board with
the unschooling.

Any input is welcome at this point, as we continue to have this
philosophical shift and learn new things everyday!

Jessica

Angela S

You wrote:

Although, she watched
Shrek 2 five times in two days~someone tell me that's okay!!!!

It's o.k. really! Unschooled kids don't spend 8 hours a day in school
wasting lots of precious time. There is a lot more time in the day for
unschoolers and some of them spend some of it watching TV. Have you watched
it with her? I've been meaning to get that movie. Maybe today we'll run in
town and get it.



You wrote:

Right now I am interested in learning from all of you and moving us
in a direction where she can make even the most basic decisions for
herself. Because of the demands of school she needed to be on a
schedule. It really didn't work for her, but now she sometimes
doesn't know how to eat when she's hungry, sleep when she's tired,
and breath when she's tense. That's my goal for ths year~and life!



The more decisions she actually gets to make, the easier it will be for her.
If she gets busy and doesn't think about eating, you could deliver her some
healthy snacks or a meal that she can eat while she is doing what she is
doing. If she gets hungry enough, she'll ask for something or find
something. Maybe not before getting grumpy, but that's where the snacks
come in. We could all use someone to remind us sometimes to breath when we
are tense. It's a great stress relief.



You wrote:

Today we had a wonderful day at the zoo, and sat and
watched the swimming hippo for a half hour. It was amazingly
peaceful for us to be all alone on a cold day with a hippo! How cool
is that?



I just love moments like that.



You wrote:

We also have a 2 y.o who I hope will be always unschooled! Just
tonight he showed me how Barbie legs are actually perfect for
fencing. When you take them off the body they hardly look like legs
at all! He loves having his sister home, and my dh is on board with
the unschooling.



How wonderful for your two year old! Too bad we have to have a learning
curve with the oldest children. Having a supportive dh is great. Mine is
supportive too and I can't imagine if he weren't.



Angela ~ Maine

* game-enthusiast@....



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