Faith Void

I really need to vent. I was on this local list and never really said
much. A couple weeks ago the mods ask more RUers to speak up because
the advice was really mainstream and RU type advice was being attacked
for hurting peoples feelings. So I started posting again. I was just
posting stuff about cell phone use and I try to keep it general and
ask questions, etc. I challenged (in a nice way so I thought) some
advice (it was very mainstream) that one person posted as not being
from an unschooling approach. Well, apparently it was one of the
moderators and she got totally bent. She took everything personally
and called me abrasive and like Sandra Dodd (I have never been on her
list so I am not sure what that exactly means but she said it like it
wasn't nice). Anyway, I get so much crap for RU irl and then to be
totally crapped on during an online conversation sucks. I just wanna
scream. Anyway, there isn't anyone on here can do but I had to "tell"
someone. It is really burning me up. I just quit the list, it seemed
do petty.
Faith
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swissarmy_wife

--- In [email protected], "Faith Void"
<littlemsvoid@...> wrote:

> She took everything personally
> and called me abrasive and like Sandra Dodd (I have never been on her
> list so I am not sure what that exactly means but she said it like it
> wasn't nice).

I'm on Sandra's list. I know what she means. She's realistic and
right to the point. She doesn't tip-toe around people's feelings and
she runs a "tight-ship" as far as her message board-goes. I can see
how some more sensitive types would clash with her style.

This happened on the MySpace board for awhile too. There were a
couple of people who really didn't like my "style". It's ok. My
feelings weren't hurt. I've always been described as a little
abrasive, a devil's advocate of sorts.

Not everyone in the world is polite and well-behaved. Some people
need to get over that. <G>

Ren Allen

~~She took everything personally
and called me abrasive and like Sandra Dodd (I have never been on her
list so I am not sure what that exactly means but she said it like it
wasn't nice).~~

Yeah, it wasn't nice trust me.;)
Some people think any discussion or disagreement is "abrasive". I'm
sorry you had to deal with it when some of the mods wanted RU posters.
Doesn't seem like a good way to spend your energy after all.

Have you considered starting a local list of your own, with a very up
front unschooling message? We have a secular/inclusive group here that
all the unschoolers hang out with and I don't post a lot about
unschooling there unless it's in a general "here's what we do" way.
But we also have an unschooling group and I have no problem sharing my
views there.

Maybe you'll find the folks that WANT that kind of list if you start
one. That might be really cool. If you want to read the description of
our local unschooling list it's here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tricitiesfun/

I just rejected a couple of posts there about some homeschooling fair
that had religious classes and such, something that would have been
just fine for the local inclusive list. It's nice to have both.:) I
didn't start it but the lady that did is a total RU'er.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Ren Allen

~~I'm on Sandra's list. I know what she means. She's realistic and
right to the point. She doesn't tip-toe around people's feelings and
she runs a "tight-ship" as far as her message board-goes. I can see
how some more sensitive types would clash with her style.~~

And Sandra knows this, that's partly why she isn't on certain lists
(like this one) because it gives people lotsa options to find what
works for them.

I think we're pretty patient over here and open to letting things get
OT a bit...but we piss people off once in a while too. It happens no
matter what you do. My goal is to keep the list purpose true to it's
origins so that we're best serving the majority that signed on here to
get unschooling information.:)

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

wisdomalways5

I get the same thing from my state homeschooling list - you help
those who want help and info so I do it for them

julie



--- In [email protected], "Faith Void"
<littlemsvoid@...> wrote:
>
> I really need to vent. I was on this local list and never really
said
> much. A couple weeks ago the mods ask more RUers to speak up
because
> the advice was really mainstream and RU type advice was being
attacked
> for hurting peoples feelings. So I started posting again. I was
just
> posting stuff about cell phone use and I try to keep it general and
> ask questions, etc. I challenged (in a nice way so I thought) some
> advice (it was very mainstream) that one person posted as not being
> from an unschooling approach. Well, apparently it was one of the
> moderators and she got totally bent. She took everything personally
> and called me abrasive and like Sandra Dodd (I have never been on
her
> list so I am not sure what that exactly means but she said it like
it
> wasn't nice). Anyway, I get so much crap for RU irl and then to be
> totally crapped on during an online conversation sucks. I just
wanna
> scream. Anyway, there isn't anyone on here can do but I had
to "tell"
> someone. It is really burning me up. I just quit the list, it
seemed
> do petty.
> Faith
> --
> www.bearthmama.com
>

Faith Void

Thanks Heather and Ren,
I don't mean to hurt feelings, I am typically typing while nursing
(with one hand) and I try to keep things brief to get a whole thought
out. I guess I need to add a little touchy feely fluff. I probabaly
won't. I like the idea of starting a new list for RU instead of being
inclusive like the PA0unschoolers list. There are many education only
unschoolers and eclectic HSers. The moderator has since admitted I
was dead on and I hit a nerve but I felt publically humiliated. And
now there are so many people rushing to her support and offering salve
for her hurt emotions but ignoring mine. Is it hard to run a list? I
am a little worried about taking on something like that as I had an
infant. I am also not an awesome writer like Ren, Kelly or Pam etc. DO
I need to be?
Thanks
Faith

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
> ~~She took everything personally
>
> and called me abrasive and like Sandra Dodd (I have never been on her
> list so I am not sure what that exactly means but she said it like it
> wasn't nice).~~
>
> Yeah, it wasn't nice trust me.;)
> Some people think any discussion or disagreement is "abrasive". I'm
> sorry you had to deal with it when some of the mods wanted RU posters.
> Doesn't seem like a good way to spend your energy after all.
>
> Have you considered starting a local list of your own, with a very up
> front unschooling message? We have a secular/inclusive group here that
> all the unschoolers hang out with and I don't post a lot about
> unschooling there unless it's in a general "here's what we do" way.
> But we also have an unschooling group and I have no problem sharing my
> views there.
>
> Maybe you'll find the folks that WANT that kind of list if you start
> one. That might be really cool. If you want to read the description of
> our local unschooling list it's here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tricitiesfun/
>
> I just rejected a couple of posts there about some homeschooling fair
> that had religious classes and such, something that would have been
> just fine for the local inclusive list. It's nice to have both.:) I
> didn't start it but the lady that did is a total RU'er.
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>
>



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amflowers71

Faith, it sounds as though the mod may have realised that she made a
mistake? Have you considered gently telling her how you feel and
asking her whether (in the interests of you being able to carry on the
good work of offering advice from RU perspective) she would consider
smoothing things out publicly (ie on list)? Amanda

[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: Faith Void <littlemsvoid@...>

Is it hard to run a list?

-=-=-=-=-

It's easier than putting up with someone else's rules. <g>

Get a moderator or two who can be "heavies." Ren and I have Deb & Rue.
I think Ren and Deb do most of the off-list work though.

But it's not something you have to take on all by your lonesome. For a
while, maybe----but if the list is small, you won't have much to do
anyway. As it grows, you can ask others who write a lot and who share
the same vision/philosophy to be your moderator(s).

It's easy to set up---in fact. I started a new list just today.

-=-=-=-=-=-

I am a little worried about taking on something like that as I had an
infant.

-=-=-=-=-

If you're not on the bigger list anymore, it really won't take any more
time---in fact, probably LESS because you won't allow the crap that
you're busy arguing against now! <G>

The difference is that you kind of have to READ every post that comes
in. You don't necessarily have to answer each post. But I feel more
obligated to answer many posts here than I do on list I don't own. That
doesn't mean I answer *all* posts. Just ones that matter to me.

-=-=-=-=-

I am also not an awesome writer like Ren, Kelly or Pam etc. DO I need
to be?

-=-=-=-=-

Well, *I* think you write just fine. But no, one does *not* have to be
some kind of great writer. It's all about the SHARING of ideas. It
certainly helps if you can string a sentence together. <g> But you
don't have to be awe-inspiring! <bwg> The thing IS: the more you write,
the better and clearer your writing gets. Your ideas too. Writing has
very much clarified my philosophy because it gives me a chance to
*think* about things and let things "coagulate" into some kind of
coherent "lump." <g>

Go for it! <G>



~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org