Sierra's Dog
Michelle Leifur Reid
On 11/20/06, Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
fur. Poodles, schnauzers, bichon fris (sp?), Cane and Yorkshire
Terriers, shi tzu's, and Lhaso Apso are all "hair" dogs. They don't
have an undercoat and therefore don't shed (also good for keeping the
house cleaner!) Poodles and schnauzers include the standard to
miniature sizes, so if she was wanting a big dog she could get a
standard poodle or schnauzer. If she is looking for a medium sized
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>)
You want to make sure you get a full breed dog and not something like
a peek-a-poo (part pekinese part poodle) because you can't be assured
of whether they will shed or not. While getting a dog with a
"pedigree" can be expensive, almost every breed has a "rescue society"
for that breed. That's how my parents go their Sheltie. A friend of
mine got a Golden Retriever through a similar company. Sometimes you
have to travel a bit to find one close to you, but it can be well
worth it. Another option is to look to your vet or PETA friendly
animal shelter and let them know you are looking for one of these
breeds. Most will call you when they find one that needs a good home.
Sierra may even be able to negotiate herself to one for a lot less by
agreeing to come and play with the puppies and clean up after them and
walk the adult dogs.
I found this list (love Google):
http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0618517529&id=R9wCs9yQtocC&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=45+best+dogs&sig=HcaK47CLAraKslp-QAD2V_TvYMY
Which seemed pretty comprehensive.
I have a friend who has a child who is HIGHLY allregic to animals (and
just about anything) and I only see this lady once a month when we get
together to stamp. Few people can go to her house as they might track
in animal fur and dander and if you do get an invitation, you have to
leave your coat and shoes outside. What is weird (at least to me) is
that my friend sends her daughter to public school. The child has to
take 2 different medication plus an injection *every day* in order to
be able to make it through the school day. When she gets home she has
to have all her clothes thrown in the washing machine and she has to
shower and wash her hair! I mean this kid has *serious* allergies.
The mother's primary reason for public school is (you got it)
socialization!! ARG!!!! Anyway, I was surprised when I found out
that they had a poodle. She said that her daughter has no problems
with poodles at all. So go for a poodle. LOL!
Michelle - helping one family at a time achieve their wants and needs ROFL!
> We're not done negotiating though...Sierra has a pretty strong desireRen, I have a solution for you :-) Find a dog that has *hair* not
> for her OWN dog.
fur. Poodles, schnauzers, bichon fris (sp?), Cane and Yorkshire
Terriers, shi tzu's, and Lhaso Apso are all "hair" dogs. They don't
have an undercoat and therefore don't shed (also good for keeping the
house cleaner!) Poodles and schnauzers include the standard to
miniature sizes, so if she was wanting a big dog she could get a
standard poodle or schnauzer. If she is looking for a medium sized
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>)
You want to make sure you get a full breed dog and not something like
a peek-a-poo (part pekinese part poodle) because you can't be assured
of whether they will shed or not. While getting a dog with a
"pedigree" can be expensive, almost every breed has a "rescue society"
for that breed. That's how my parents go their Sheltie. A friend of
mine got a Golden Retriever through a similar company. Sometimes you
have to travel a bit to find one close to you, but it can be well
worth it. Another option is to look to your vet or PETA friendly
animal shelter and let them know you are looking for one of these
breeds. Most will call you when they find one that needs a good home.
Sierra may even be able to negotiate herself to one for a lot less by
agreeing to come and play with the puppies and clean up after them and
walk the adult dogs.
I found this list (love Google):
http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0618517529&id=R9wCs9yQtocC&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=45+best+dogs&sig=HcaK47CLAraKslp-QAD2V_TvYMY
Which seemed pretty comprehensive.
I have a friend who has a child who is HIGHLY allregic to animals (and
just about anything) and I only see this lady once a month when we get
together to stamp. Few people can go to her house as they might track
in animal fur and dander and if you do get an invitation, you have to
leave your coat and shoes outside. What is weird (at least to me) is
that my friend sends her daughter to public school. The child has to
take 2 different medication plus an injection *every day* in order to
be able to make it through the school day. When she gets home she has
to have all her clothes thrown in the washing machine and she has to
shower and wash her hair! I mean this kid has *serious* allergies.
The mother's primary reason for public school is (you got it)
socialization!! ARG!!!! Anyway, I was surprised when I found out
that they had a poodle. She said that her daughter has no problems
with poodles at all. So go for a poodle. LOL!
Michelle - helping one family at a time achieve their wants and needs ROFL!
Ren Allen
~~If she is looking for a medium sized
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>)~~
And I'm pretty sure we'll come to some kind of solution like this when
we deal with some other underlying issues (finances, sleep areas etc..).
I appreciate the list of dogs. I'm really hoping he won't react to a
greyhound as I love, love, love these dogs.:) He stayed at Kelly and
Ben's recently and had allergies but not nearly as severe as in the past.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>)~~
And I'm pretty sure we'll come to some kind of solution like this when
we deal with some other underlying issues (finances, sleep areas etc..).
I appreciate the list of dogs. I'm really hoping he won't react to a
greyhound as I love, love, love these dogs.:) He stayed at Kelly and
Ben's recently and had allergies but not nearly as severe as in the past.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Kelly
Greyhounds do shed, and they have dander. Sorry! I love greyhounds, too, and
have always wanted to adopt one, but my husband is too allergic to them.
Kelly
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ren Allen
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Sierra's Dog
~~If she is looking for a medium sized
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>)~~
And I'm pretty sure we'll come to some kind of solution like this when
we deal with some other underlying issues (finances, sleep areas etc..).
I appreciate the list of dogs. I'm really hoping he won't react to a
greyhound as I love, love, love these dogs.:) He stayed at Kelly and
Ben's recently and had allergies but not nearly as severe as in the past.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
have always wanted to adopt one, but my husband is too allergic to them.
Kelly
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ren Allen
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Sierra's Dog
~~If she is looking for a medium sized
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>)~~
And I'm pretty sure we'll come to some kind of solution like this when
we deal with some other underlying issues (finances, sleep areas etc..).
I appreciate the list of dogs. I'm really hoping he won't react to a
greyhound as I love, love, love these dogs.:) He stayed at Kelly and
Ben's recently and had allergies but not nearly as severe as in the past.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Michelle Leifur Reid
On 11/20/06, Ren Allen <starsuncloud@...> wrote:
they have short hair and they do have an undercoat though one wouldn't
think so. My parents had a retired greyhound for a while. ONe of the
problems that people have with retired greyhounds is that they tend to
have health issues. Why would someone retire a perfectly healthy
greyhound? It is downplayed by the rescue people and books promoting
retired greyhounds, but the more my parents looked into getting a
second greyhound after Mike died the more they found out that they
tend to only live for 2-4 years once adopted (although it does vary)
and most have continuing health problems (many with forms of diabetes
- which Mike died from after only being with them for 4 months). They
are VERY sweet dogs, my parents just decided that the heartbreak in
falling in love with a dog that would die so shortly after coming to
live with them was too difficult for them. Our family tends to have
animals for 13-22 years, so 2-4 seemed so short. A lot of emotional
energy. Now if you were interested in a greyhound puppy that's
another story (and expect to have it run as they do love running!)
Michelle
> I appreciate the list of dogs. I'm really hoping he won't react to aGreyhounds may or may not work. They do shed horribly even though
> greyhound as I love, love, love these dogs.:)
they have short hair and they do have an undercoat though one wouldn't
think so. My parents had a retired greyhound for a while. ONe of the
problems that people have with retired greyhounds is that they tend to
have health issues. Why would someone retire a perfectly healthy
greyhound? It is downplayed by the rescue people and books promoting
retired greyhounds, but the more my parents looked into getting a
second greyhound after Mike died the more they found out that they
tend to only live for 2-4 years once adopted (although it does vary)
and most have continuing health problems (many with forms of diabetes
- which Mike died from after only being with them for 4 months). They
are VERY sweet dogs, my parents just decided that the heartbreak in
falling in love with a dog that would die so shortly after coming to
live with them was too difficult for them. Our family tends to have
animals for 13-22 years, so 2-4 seemed so short. A lot of emotional
energy. Now if you were interested in a greyhound puppy that's
another story (and expect to have it run as they do love running!)
Michelle
[email protected]
PLEASE! If any of you're interested in getting *ANY* dog, contact me
off-list---PLEASE!!!
There is no difference between "hair" and "fur." In dogs it's called
"coat." ALL dogs shed.
Poodles and poodle-crosses MATT instead of having coat fall out all
over the house. Their coat sheds, but doesn't fall OUT because it's
caught up in the curls---it matts.
Dander has *nothing* to do with coat-type. The breeds you suggested are
breeds that are professionally groomed (and fluff-dried) on a very
regular basis---that's why they don't seem to be allergy-causing.
Several of those breeds' standards *require* an undercoat (schnauzers,
cairns, and border terriers for example). Many of those breds are
nearly impossible to find in the US. Several aren't breeds at all, but
mutts. So I wouldn't take that page too seriously.
Stay FAR away from organizations with PETA ties---they do NOT have
animal welfare at heart---they're a dangerous group. There are may
other good animal rights/welfare associations. PETA is NOT one of them!!
All breeds have rescue groups. Some are better than others. I'd be
happy to point anyone in the right direction.
Dogs are one of my soap-boxes!
~Kelly, groomer, breeder, trainer, and AKC judge
-----Original Message-----
From: pamperedmichelle@...
Ren, I have a solution for you :-) Find a dog that has *hair* not
fur. Poodles, schnauzers, bichon fris (sp?), Cane and Yorkshire
Terriers, shi tzu's, and Lhaso Apso are all "hair" dogs. They don't
have an undercoat and therefore don't shed (also good for keeping the
house cleaner!) Poodles and schnauzers include the standard to
miniature sizes, so if she was wanting a big dog she could get a
standard poodle or schnauzer. If she is looking for a medium sized
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>
You want to make sure you get a full breed dog and not something like
a peek-a-poo (part pekinese part poodle) because you can't be assured
of whether they will shed or not. While getting a dog with a
"pedigree" can be expensive, almost every breed has a "rescue society"
for that breed. That's how my parents go their Sheltie. A friend of
mine got a Golden Retriever through a similar company. Sometimes you
have to travel a bit to find one close to you, but it can be well
worth it. Another option is to look to your vet or PETA friendly
animal shelter and let them know you are looking for one of these
breeds. Most will call you when they find one that needs a good home.
Sierra may even be able to negotiate herself to one for a lot less by
agreeing to come and play with the puppies and clean up after them and
walk the adult dogs.
I found this list (love Google):
http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0618517529&id=R9wCs9yQtocC&pg=PA189
&lpg=PA189&dq=45+best+dogs&sig=HcaK47CLAraKslp-QAD2V_TvYMY
Which seemed pretty comprehensive.
I have a friend who has a child who is HIGHLY allregic to animals (and
just about anything) and I only see this lady once a month when we get
together to stamp. Few people can go to her house as they might track
in animal fur and dander and if you do get an invitation, you have to
leave your coat and shoes outside. What is weird (at least to me) is
that my friend sends her daughter to public school. The child has to
take 2 different medication plus an injection *every day* in order to
be able to make it through the school day. When she gets home she has
to have all her clothes thrown in the washing machine and she has to
shower and wash her hair! I mean this kid has *serious* allergies.
The mother's primary reason for public school is (you got it)
socialization!! ARG!!!! Anyway, I was surprised when I found out
that they had a poodle. She said that her daughter has no problems
with poodles at all. So go for a poodle. LOL!
Michelle - helping one family at a time achieve their wants and needs
ROFL!
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off-list---PLEASE!!!
There is no difference between "hair" and "fur." In dogs it's called
"coat." ALL dogs shed.
Poodles and poodle-crosses MATT instead of having coat fall out all
over the house. Their coat sheds, but doesn't fall OUT because it's
caught up in the curls---it matts.
Dander has *nothing* to do with coat-type. The breeds you suggested are
breeds that are professionally groomed (and fluff-dried) on a very
regular basis---that's why they don't seem to be allergy-causing.
Several of those breeds' standards *require* an undercoat (schnauzers,
cairns, and border terriers for example). Many of those breds are
nearly impossible to find in the US. Several aren't breeds at all, but
mutts. So I wouldn't take that page too seriously.
Stay FAR away from organizations with PETA ties---they do NOT have
animal welfare at heart---they're a dangerous group. There are may
other good animal rights/welfare associations. PETA is NOT one of them!!
All breeds have rescue groups. Some are better than others. I'd be
happy to point anyone in the right direction.
Dogs are one of my soap-boxes!
~Kelly, groomer, breeder, trainer, and AKC judge
-----Original Message-----
From: pamperedmichelle@...
Ren, I have a solution for you :-) Find a dog that has *hair* not
fur. Poodles, schnauzers, bichon fris (sp?), Cane and Yorkshire
Terriers, shi tzu's, and Lhaso Apso are all "hair" dogs. They don't
have an undercoat and therefore don't shed (also good for keeping the
house cleaner!) Poodles and schnauzers include the standard to
miniature sizes, so if she was wanting a big dog she could get a
standard poodle or schnauzer. If she is looking for a medium sized
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>
You want to make sure you get a full breed dog and not something like
a peek-a-poo (part pekinese part poodle) because you can't be assured
of whether they will shed or not. While getting a dog with a
"pedigree" can be expensive, almost every breed has a "rescue society"
for that breed. That's how my parents go their Sheltie. A friend of
mine got a Golden Retriever through a similar company. Sometimes you
have to travel a bit to find one close to you, but it can be well
worth it. Another option is to look to your vet or PETA friendly
animal shelter and let them know you are looking for one of these
breeds. Most will call you when they find one that needs a good home.
Sierra may even be able to negotiate herself to one for a lot less by
agreeing to come and play with the puppies and clean up after them and
walk the adult dogs.
I found this list (love Google):
http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0618517529&id=R9wCs9yQtocC&pg=PA189
&lpg=PA189&dq=45+best+dogs&sig=HcaK47CLAraKslp-QAD2V_TvYMY
Which seemed pretty comprehensive.
I have a friend who has a child who is HIGHLY allregic to animals (and
just about anything) and I only see this lady once a month when we get
together to stamp. Few people can go to her house as they might track
in animal fur and dander and if you do get an invitation, you have to
leave your coat and shoes outside. What is weird (at least to me) is
that my friend sends her daughter to public school. The child has to
take 2 different medication plus an injection *every day* in order to
be able to make it through the school day. When she gets home she has
to have all her clothes thrown in the washing machine and she has to
shower and wash her hair! I mean this kid has *serious* allergies.
The mother's primary reason for public school is (you got it)
socialization!! ARG!!!! Anyway, I was surprised when I found out
that they had a poodle. She said that her daughter has no problems
with poodles at all. So go for a poodle. LOL!
Michelle - helping one family at a time achieve their wants and needs
ROFL!
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* Dander has *nothing* to do with coat-type.
Yes, true. But dander is the thing that allergic people are allergic to, and
not all dog breeds produce dander. The labradoodles I've met have been what
I would call "casually" groomed, that is, the families brushed them fairly
regularly, but none of them did regular "professional" grooming, and their
family members who were allergic had NO problems with these dogs.
The other Kelly
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kbcdlovejo@...
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Sierra's Dog
PLEASE! If any of you're interested in getting *ANY* dog, contact me
off-list---PLEASE!!!
There is no difference between "hair" and "fur." In dogs it's called
"coat." ALL dogs shed.
Poodles and poodle-crosses MATT instead of having coat fall out all
over the house. Their coat sheds, but doesn't fall OUT because it's
caught up in the curls---it matts.
Dander has *nothing* to do with coat-type. The breeds you suggested are
breeds that are professionally groomed (and fluff-dried) on a very
regular basis---that's why they don't seem to be allergy-causing.
Several of those breeds' standards *require* an undercoat (schnauzers,
cairns, and border terriers for example). Many of those breds are
nearly impossible to find in the US. Several aren't breeds at all, but
mutts. So I wouldn't take that page too seriously.
Stay FAR away from organizations with PETA ties---they do NOT have
animal welfare at heart---they're a dangerous group. There are may
other good animal rights/welfare associations. PETA is NOT one of them!!
All breeds have rescue groups. Some are better than others. I'd be
happy to point anyone in the right direction.
Dogs are one of my soap-boxes!
~Kelly, groomer, breeder, trainer, and AKC judge
-----Original Message-----
From: pamperedmichelle@ <mailto:pamperedmichelle%40gmail.com> gmail.com
Ren, I have a solution for you :-) Find a dog that has *hair* not
fur. Poodles, schnauzers, bichon fris (sp?), Cane and Yorkshire
Terriers, shi tzu's, and Lhaso Apso are all "hair" dogs. They don't
have an undercoat and therefore don't shed (also good for keeping the
house cleaner!) Poodles and schnauzers include the standard to
miniature sizes, so if she was wanting a big dog she could get a
standard poodle or schnauzer. If she is looking for a medium sized
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>
You want to make sure you get a full breed dog and not something like
a peek-a-poo (part pekinese part poodle) because you can't be assured
of whether they will shed or not. While getting a dog with a
"pedigree" can be expensive, almost every breed has a "rescue society"
for that breed. That's how my parents go their Sheltie. A friend of
mine got a Golden Retriever through a similar company. Sometimes you
have to travel a bit to find one close to you, but it can be well
worth it. Another option is to look to your vet or PETA friendly
animal shelter and let them know you are looking for one of these
breeds. Most will call you when they find one that needs a good home.
Sierra may even be able to negotiate herself to one for a lot less by
agreeing to come and play with the puppies and clean up after them and
walk the adult dogs.
I found this list (love Google):
http://books.
<http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0618517529&id=R9wCs9yQtocC&pg=PA189>
google.com/books?vid=ISBN0618517529&id=R9wCs9yQtocC&pg=PA189
&lpg=PA189&dq=45+best+dogs&sig=HcaK47CLAraKslp-QAD2V_TvYMY
Which seemed pretty comprehensive.
I have a friend who has a child who is HIGHLY allregic to animals (and
just about anything) and I only see this lady once a month when we get
together to stamp. Few people can go to her house as they might track
in animal fur and dander and if you do get an invitation, you have to
leave your coat and shoes outside. What is weird (at least to me) is
that my friend sends her daughter to public school. The child has to
take 2 different medication plus an injection *every day* in order to
be able to make it through the school day. When she gets home she has
to have all her clothes thrown in the washing machine and she has to
shower and wash her hair! I mean this kid has *serious* allergies.
The mother's primary reason for public school is (you got it)
socialization!! ARG!!!! Anyway, I was surprised when I found out
that they had a poodle. She said that her daughter has no problems
with poodles at all. So go for a poodle. LOL!
Michelle - helping one family at a time achieve their wants and needs
ROFL!
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes, true. But dander is the thing that allergic people are allergic to, and
not all dog breeds produce dander. The labradoodles I've met have been what
I would call "casually" groomed, that is, the families brushed them fairly
regularly, but none of them did regular "professional" grooming, and their
family members who were allergic had NO problems with these dogs.
The other Kelly
_____
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kbcdlovejo@...
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Sierra's Dog
PLEASE! If any of you're interested in getting *ANY* dog, contact me
off-list---PLEASE!!!
There is no difference between "hair" and "fur." In dogs it's called
"coat." ALL dogs shed.
Poodles and poodle-crosses MATT instead of having coat fall out all
over the house. Their coat sheds, but doesn't fall OUT because it's
caught up in the curls---it matts.
Dander has *nothing* to do with coat-type. The breeds you suggested are
breeds that are professionally groomed (and fluff-dried) on a very
regular basis---that's why they don't seem to be allergy-causing.
Several of those breeds' standards *require* an undercoat (schnauzers,
cairns, and border terriers for example). Many of those breds are
nearly impossible to find in the US. Several aren't breeds at all, but
mutts. So I wouldn't take that page too seriously.
Stay FAR away from organizations with PETA ties---they do NOT have
animal welfare at heart---they're a dangerous group. There are may
other good animal rights/welfare associations. PETA is NOT one of them!!
All breeds have rescue groups. Some are better than others. I'd be
happy to point anyone in the right direction.
Dogs are one of my soap-boxes!
~Kelly, groomer, breeder, trainer, and AKC judge
-----Original Message-----
From: pamperedmichelle@ <mailto:pamperedmichelle%40gmail.com> gmail.com
Ren, I have a solution for you :-) Find a dog that has *hair* not
fur. Poodles, schnauzers, bichon fris (sp?), Cane and Yorkshire
Terriers, shi tzu's, and Lhaso Apso are all "hair" dogs. They don't
have an undercoat and therefore don't shed (also good for keeping the
house cleaner!) Poodles and schnauzers include the standard to
miniature sizes, so if she was wanting a big dog she could get a
standard poodle or schnauzer. If she is looking for a medium sized
dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
much bigger than a rat <bwg>
You want to make sure you get a full breed dog and not something like
a peek-a-poo (part pekinese part poodle) because you can't be assured
of whether they will shed or not. While getting a dog with a
"pedigree" can be expensive, almost every breed has a "rescue society"
for that breed. That's how my parents go their Sheltie. A friend of
mine got a Golden Retriever through a similar company. Sometimes you
have to travel a bit to find one close to you, but it can be well
worth it. Another option is to look to your vet or PETA friendly
animal shelter and let them know you are looking for one of these
breeds. Most will call you when they find one that needs a good home.
Sierra may even be able to negotiate herself to one for a lot less by
agreeing to come and play with the puppies and clean up after them and
walk the adult dogs.
I found this list (love Google):
http://books.
<http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0618517529&id=R9wCs9yQtocC&pg=PA189>
google.com/books?vid=ISBN0618517529&id=R9wCs9yQtocC&pg=PA189
&lpg=PA189&dq=45+best+dogs&sig=HcaK47CLAraKslp-QAD2V_TvYMY
Which seemed pretty comprehensive.
I have a friend who has a child who is HIGHLY allregic to animals (and
just about anything) and I only see this lady once a month when we get
together to stamp. Few people can go to her house as they might track
in animal fur and dander and if you do get an invitation, you have to
leave your coat and shoes outside. What is weird (at least to me) is
that my friend sends her daughter to public school. The child has to
take 2 different medication plus an injection *every day* in order to
be able to make it through the school day. When she gets home she has
to have all her clothes thrown in the washing machine and she has to
shower and wash her hair! I mean this kid has *serious* allergies.
The mother's primary reason for public school is (you got it)
socialization!! ARG!!!! Anyway, I was surprised when I found out
that they had a poodle. She said that her daughter has no problems
with poodles at all. So go for a poodle. LOL!
Michelle - helping one family at a time achieve their wants and needs
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I'm one of those people who is allergic to everything. I can tell you that
I spent a bunch of time with a soft coated wheaton in my lap, petted her
(because I'm a sucker) and then could not wash my hands for about an hour
afterwards. I never sneezed. This is virtually unheard of for me. I've
sneezed from poodles, schnauzers, Chinese Cresteds, and lots of dogs on the
list. This dog never bothered me.
My best advice about getting a dog is to let your daughter spend as much
time as you can with the particular dog that you are considering getting and
see her reaction. Hair versus fur doesn't guarantee anything. But personal
contact will tell the truth.
Good luck! I'd love a dog, but <sniff> know it just is not in the cards for
me or my oft snuffy son.
Dawn
I spent a bunch of time with a soft coated wheaton in my lap, petted her
(because I'm a sucker) and then could not wash my hands for about an hour
afterwards. I never sneezed. This is virtually unheard of for me. I've
sneezed from poodles, schnauzers, Chinese Cresteds, and lots of dogs on the
list. This dog never bothered me.
My best advice about getting a dog is to let your daughter spend as much
time as you can with the particular dog that you are considering getting and
see her reaction. Hair versus fur doesn't guarantee anything. But personal
contact will tell the truth.
Good luck! I'd love a dog, but <sniff> know it just is not in the cards for
me or my oft snuffy son.
Dawn
jen mobley
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best organizations in regards to animal welfare.
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>From: kbcdlovejo@..._________________________________________________________________
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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Sierra's Dog
>Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:31:53 -0500
>
>PLEASE! If any of you're interested in getting *ANY* dog, contact me
>off-list---PLEASE!!!
>
>There is no difference between "hair" and "fur." In dogs it's called
>"coat." ALL dogs shed.
>
>Poodles and poodle-crosses MATT instead of having coat fall out all
>over the house. Their coat sheds, but doesn't fall OUT because it's
>caught up in the curls---it matts.
>
>Dander has *nothing* to do with coat-type. The breeds you suggested are
>breeds that are professionally groomed (and fluff-dried) on a very
>regular basis---that's why they don't seem to be allergy-causing.
>Several of those breeds' standards *require* an undercoat (schnauzers,
>cairns, and border terriers for example). Many of those breds are
>nearly impossible to find in the US. Several aren't breeds at all, but
>mutts. So I wouldn't take that page too seriously.
>
>Stay FAR away from organizations with PETA ties---they do NOT have
>animal welfare at heart---they're a dangerous group. There are may
>other good animal rights/welfare associations. PETA is NOT one of them!!
>
>All breeds have rescue groups. Some are better than others. I'd be
>happy to point anyone in the right direction.
>
>Dogs are one of my soap-boxes!
>
>
>~Kelly, groomer, breeder, trainer, and AKC judge
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pamperedmichelle@...
>
>
>Ren, I have a solution for you :-) Find a dog that has *hair* not
>fur. Poodles, schnauzers, bichon fris (sp?), Cane and Yorkshire
>Terriers, shi tzu's, and Lhaso Apso are all "hair" dogs. They don't
>have an undercoat and therefore don't shed (also good for keeping the
>house cleaner!) Poodles and schnauzers include the standard to
>miniature sizes, so if she was wanting a big dog she could get a
>standard poodle or schnauzer. If she is looking for a medium sized
>dog, there are several there and there are quite a few smaller dogs,
>which Markus might be more inclined to accept (especially if it isn't
>much bigger than a rat <bwg>
>
>You want to make sure you get a full breed dog and not something like
>a peek-a-poo (part pekinese part poodle) because you can't be assured
>of whether they will shed or not. While getting a dog with a
>"pedigree" can be expensive, almost every breed has a "rescue society"
>for that breed. That's how my parents go their Sheltie. A friend of
>mine got a Golden Retriever through a similar company. Sometimes you
>have to travel a bit to find one close to you, but it can be well
>worth it. Another option is to look to your vet or PETA friendly
>animal shelter and let them know you are looking for one of these
>breeds. Most will call you when they find one that needs a good home.
> Sierra may even be able to negotiate herself to one for a lot less by
>agreeing to come and play with the puppies and clean up after them and
>walk the adult dogs.
>
>I found this list (love Google):
>http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0618517529&id=R9wCs9yQtocC&pg=PA189
>&lpg=PA189&dq=45+best+dogs&sig=HcaK47CLAraKslp-QAD2V_TvYMY
>
>Which seemed pretty comprehensive.
>
>I have a friend who has a child who is HIGHLY allregic to animals (and
>just about anything) and I only see this lady once a month when we get
>together to stamp. Few people can go to her house as they might track
>in animal fur and dander and if you do get an invitation, you have to
>leave your coat and shoes outside. What is weird (at least to me) is
>that my friend sends her daughter to public school. The child has to
>take 2 different medication plus an injection *every day* in order to
>be able to make it through the school day. When she gets home she has
>to have all her clothes thrown in the washing machine and she has to
>shower and wash her hair! I mean this kid has *serious* allergies.
>The mother's primary reason for public school is (you got it)
>socialization!! ARG!!!! Anyway, I was surprised when I found out
>that they had a poodle. She said that her daughter has no problems
>with poodles at all. So go for a poodle. LOL!
>
>Michelle - helping one family at a time achieve their wants and needs
>ROFL!
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what's up with the bashing of Peta? They do amazing work and are one
of the
best organizations in regards to animal welfare.
-=-=-=-=-
Have you done *any* research on PETA? Or are you just spouting their
propaganda?
One act of their "animal liberation" involves "setting free" dogs in
crates at dog shows. This "liberation" resulted in the gruesome deaths
of a friend's two whippets under the wheels of cars on an interstate.
PETA's take was that their "accidental" deaths were better than a life
in a crate.
Assholes.
This particular example is personal. They've done far worse on a
regular basis. Look 'em up. There's no shortage of stories of their
ridiculous organization.
There are plenty of other animal rights organizations that don't
advocate letting loose all the cattle and sheep and dogs and cats to
fend for themselves in the wild. Support other groups. PETA is an
awful, idiotic, dangerous group.
Send your money and support elsewhere!
Bash! Bash! Bash!
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From: jenpmobley@...
what's up with the bashing of Peta? They do amazing work and are one
of the
best organizations in regards to animal welfare.
-=-=-=-=-
Have you done *any* research on PETA? Or are you just spouting their
propaganda?
One act of their "animal liberation" involves "setting free" dogs in
crates at dog shows. This "liberation" resulted in the gruesome deaths
of a friend's two whippets under the wheels of cars on an interstate.
PETA's take was that their "accidental" deaths were better than a life
in a crate.
Assholes.
This particular example is personal. They've done far worse on a
regular basis. Look 'em up. There's no shortage of stories of their
ridiculous organization.
There are plenty of other animal rights organizations that don't
advocate letting loose all the cattle and sheep and dogs and cats to
fend for themselves in the wild. Support other groups. PETA is an
awful, idiotic, dangerous group.
Send your money and support elsewhere!
Bash! Bash! Bash!
~Kelly
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From: pamperedmichelle@...
Our family tends to have
animals for 13-22 years, so 2-4 seemed so short.
-=-=-=
NO greyhound will live for 22 years!
The breed has a short lifespan compared to smaller breeds. Thirteen is
OLD. Fifteen is DEAD. Most live probably 12-14 years on the outside.
Great Danes and Mastiff, for example have an even shorter lifespan.
Most are retired from racing between 2-5 years. I don't think they race
beyond 5. If a dog is retired at 5, another 5-7 years is a long time
and an old age.
Keeping in mind that they have a not-so-pleasant puppy-/young
adult-hood, I think that nine isn't all that young! With that hard
young life comes a predisposition for health problems. I've never heard
of diabetes being a breed-specific problem. Bloat and difficulty with
anesthesia are the two biggies with greyhounds.
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From: pamperedmichelle@...
Our family tends to have
animals for 13-22 years, so 2-4 seemed so short.
-=-=-=
NO greyhound will live for 22 years!
The breed has a short lifespan compared to smaller breeds. Thirteen is
OLD. Fifteen is DEAD. Most live probably 12-14 years on the outside.
Great Danes and Mastiff, for example have an even shorter lifespan.
Most are retired from racing between 2-5 years. I don't think they race
beyond 5. If a dog is retired at 5, another 5-7 years is a long time
and an old age.
Keeping in mind that they have a not-so-pleasant puppy-/young
adult-hood, I think that nine isn't all that young! With that hard
young life comes a predisposition for health problems. I've never heard
of diabetes being a breed-specific problem. Bloat and difficulty with
anesthesia are the two biggies with greyhounds.
~Kelly
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Yes, true. But dander is the thing that allergic people are allergic
to, and
not all dog breeds produce dander. The labradoodles I've met have been
what
I would call "casually" groomed, that is, the families brushed them
fairly
regularly, but none of them did regular "professional" grooming, and
their
family members who were allergic had NO problems with these dogs.
-=-=-=-
Dander comes from the skin and the dried saliva that flakes of the
hairs of dogs and cats that lick (dried saliva).
All dogs produce dander. If a dog has skin and spit, he has dander.
A dog that is groomed regularly will have a reduced amount of dander
that is airborne or that sticks to surfaces. The big deterrent is to
fluff-dry the dog with a forced air dryer. Don't just towel-dry the dog
or allow the dog to "air dry" or to sit and lick himself dry---that
only builds up more dander. Brushing helps---the dander sticks to the
brush. If the brush is cleaned well afterwards, the dander gets washed
away.
Moisturizers and gentle oatmeal shampoos help. So does a good diet.
Younger dogs produce less dander than older dogs because of the amount
of oil in the coat (fewer flakes AND less licking of dry, itchy skin).
ALL dogs produce dander. The lickers produce more.
~Kelly
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Yes, true. But dander is the thing that allergic people are allergic
to, and
not all dog breeds produce dander. The labradoodles I've met have been
what
I would call "casually" groomed, that is, the families brushed them
fairly
regularly, but none of them did regular "professional" grooming, and
their
family members who were allergic had NO problems with these dogs.
-=-=-=-
Dander comes from the skin and the dried saliva that flakes of the
hairs of dogs and cats that lick (dried saliva).
All dogs produce dander. If a dog has skin and spit, he has dander.
A dog that is groomed regularly will have a reduced amount of dander
that is airborne or that sticks to surfaces. The big deterrent is to
fluff-dry the dog with a forced air dryer. Don't just towel-dry the dog
or allow the dog to "air dry" or to sit and lick himself dry---that
only builds up more dander. Brushing helps---the dander sticks to the
brush. If the brush is cleaned well afterwards, the dander gets washed
away.
Moisturizers and gentle oatmeal shampoos help. So does a good diet.
Younger dogs produce less dander than older dogs because of the amount
of oil in the coat (fewer flakes AND less licking of dry, itchy skin).
ALL dogs produce dander. The lickers produce more.
~Kelly
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From: jenpmobley@...
what's up with the bashing of Peta? They do amazing work and are one
of the
best organizations in regards to animal welfare.
-=-=-=-=-
PETA is NOT an animal *welfare* organization. Welfare implies that they
*care for* animals. They don't. None of their money or effort goes to
*caring for* animals---just to furthering their goal of animal rights.
Even if that means violence.
They want to "liberate" animals from the bondage of man. Their agenda
does NOT include taking care of them. Their goals are that we're not
wearing them, eating them, or owning them---or feeding or interacting
with them in any way other than to watch them---but hell, even *that*
could be considered invasive. What *are* we to do with them? Just let
them all go frolicking in a meadow.
~Kelly
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what's up with the bashing of Peta? They do amazing work and are one
of the
best organizations in regards to animal welfare.
-=-=-=-=-
PETA is NOT an animal *welfare* organization. Welfare implies that they
*care for* animals. They don't. None of their money or effort goes to
*caring for* animals---just to furthering their goal of animal rights.
Even if that means violence.
They want to "liberate" animals from the bondage of man. Their agenda
does NOT include taking care of them. Their goals are that we're not
wearing them, eating them, or owning them---or feeding or interacting
with them in any way other than to watch them---but hell, even *that*
could be considered invasive. What *are* we to do with them? Just let
them all go frolicking in a meadow.
~Kelly
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In the UK the best inappropriate animal liberation story I know is when some
animal rights group liberated all of the America Minks into the wild. The
minks are now taking over the waterways and out-competing a lot of the
native species here. Fortunately otters like to eat them, which may give the
water vole fighting chance. And help out the otters as well.
Schuyler
P.S. Of course animal rights activists are not popular here at the minute.
Some group dug up a woman's grave because her family raised guinea pigs that
were used in laboratory experiments in or around Oxford.
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
animal rights group liberated all of the America Minks into the wild. The
minks are now taking over the waterways and out-competing a lot of the
native species here. Fortunately otters like to eat them, which may give the
water vole fighting chance. And help out the otters as well.
Schuyler
P.S. Of course animal rights activists are not popular here at the minute.
Some group dug up a woman's grave because her family raised guinea pigs that
were used in laboratory experiments in or around Oxford.
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
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From: <kbcdlovejo@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Sierra's Dog
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jenpmobley@...
>
> what's up with the bashing of Peta? They do amazing work and are one
> of the
> best organizations in regards to animal welfare.
>
> -=-=-=-=-
>
> Have you done *any* research on PETA? Or are you just spouting their
> propaganda?
>
> One act of their "animal liberation" involves "setting free" dogs in
> crates at dog shows. This "liberation" resulted in the gruesome deaths
> of a friend's two whippets under the wheels of cars on an interstate.
> PETA's take was that their "accidental" deaths were better than a life
> in a crate.
>
> Assholes.
>
> This particular example is personal. They've done far worse on a
> regular basis. Look 'em up. There's no shortage of stories of their
> ridiculous organization.
>
> There are plenty of other animal rights organizations that don't
> advocate letting loose all the cattle and sheep and dogs and cats to
> fend for themselves in the wild. Support other groups. PETA is an
> awful, idiotic, dangerous group.
>
> Send your money and support elsewhere!
>
> Bash! Bash! Bash!
>
> ~Kelly
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
Elissa Jill Cleaveland
But dander is the thing that allergic people are allergic to, and
not all dog breeds produce dander
**********
Saliva is what people are allergic to. The dogs lick their coat, producing teeny weeny dried flakes of spit (often accused of being "dander") that kicks off the allergic response.
Elissa Jill
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not all dog breeds produce dander
**********
Saliva is what people are allergic to. The dogs lick their coat, producing teeny weeny dried flakes of spit (often accused of being "dander") that kicks off the allergic response.
Elissa Jill
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Michelle Leifur Reid
On 11/20/06, kbcdlovejo@... <kbcdlovejo@...> wrote:
extremists, not the REAL PETA. Most activist organizations have
extremists (even organizations like La Leche League)
believe that animals should be used for food, clothing, entertainment,
exploitation or experimentation. Most PETA members have PETS! What
they object to about animal shows is that they believe the animals are
being exploited and/or used for entertainment purposes. I've seen the
good and bad side of animal shows, as I am sure you have, Kelly.
There are people who truly don't treat their animals with much care
and are only concerned with winning (sort of like the icky showbiz
moms).
I wonder if you aren't judging your opinion of PETA based on extremist
headlines rather than on what the MAJORITY of PETA members are doing.
One of the big things that PETA is trying to do right now is save the
Chinese right to have pet dogs. China is rounding up dogs that they
feel are excessive, large or dangerous (despite whether the dog truly
is) and killing them. PETA is trying to work with the government to
help people retain their beloved pets. PETA is responsible for
elephant regulations with circuses. While their ultimate goal would
be that there are no elephants at circuses, they will support
regulations that work towards better treatment of those circus animals
(and other circus animals). I've never joined PETA because I do eat
meat on occasion (there will be no icky tofurky at my dinner table on
Thursday) and I do wear leather as well sometimes. I do try to assure
that the sources for that meat and leather come from more humane
places such as free range farms and low cruelty killing practices. I
buy a lot of leather that comes from hunters rather than cow leather
where I'm not sure of how the animal may have been killed (cruelly?)
And I live with a hunter who honors the animal that he shoots and does
his best to make sure that as much of the animals is used, making its
death mean more than just a trophy on his wall (of which we have no
trophies).
Please don't judge PETA based on the extremists that are in the news.
Michelle - friend of PETA
>Actually, yes I have. I think that you are seeing the headline
> Have you done *any* research on PETA? Or are you just spouting their
> propaganda?
extremists, not the REAL PETA. Most activist organizations have
extremists (even organizations like La Leche League)
>This is NOT endorsed by PETA. These were EXTREMISTS!! PETA does not
> One act of their "animal liberation" involves "setting free" dogs in
> crates at dog shows. This "liberation" resulted in the gruesome deaths
> of a friend's two whippets under the wheels of cars on an interstate.
> PETA's take was that their "accidental" deaths were better than a life
> in a crate.
believe that animals should be used for food, clothing, entertainment,
exploitation or experimentation. Most PETA members have PETS! What
they object to about animal shows is that they believe the animals are
being exploited and/or used for entertainment purposes. I've seen the
good and bad side of animal shows, as I am sure you have, Kelly.
There are people who truly don't treat their animals with much care
and are only concerned with winning (sort of like the icky showbiz
moms).
I wonder if you aren't judging your opinion of PETA based on extremist
headlines rather than on what the MAJORITY of PETA members are doing.
One of the big things that PETA is trying to do right now is save the
Chinese right to have pet dogs. China is rounding up dogs that they
feel are excessive, large or dangerous (despite whether the dog truly
is) and killing them. PETA is trying to work with the government to
help people retain their beloved pets. PETA is responsible for
elephant regulations with circuses. While their ultimate goal would
be that there are no elephants at circuses, they will support
regulations that work towards better treatment of those circus animals
(and other circus animals). I've never joined PETA because I do eat
meat on occasion (there will be no icky tofurky at my dinner table on
Thursday) and I do wear leather as well sometimes. I do try to assure
that the sources for that meat and leather come from more humane
places such as free range farms and low cruelty killing practices. I
buy a lot of leather that comes from hunters rather than cow leather
where I'm not sure of how the animal may have been killed (cruelly?)
And I live with a hunter who honors the animal that he shoots and does
his best to make sure that as much of the animals is used, making its
death mean more than just a trophy on his wall (of which we have no
trophies).
Please don't judge PETA based on the extremists that are in the news.
Michelle - friend of PETA
Joanne
I'm also allergic to most animals. The only pet I've found that
works for me are poodles. I've had them my entire life and no
allergies.
Joanne
--- In [email protected], "Dawn Bennink"
<bennink4@...> wrote:
works for me are poodles. I've had them my entire life and no
allergies.
Joanne
--- In [email protected], "Dawn Bennink"
<bennink4@...> wrote:
>you that
> I'm one of those people who is allergic to everything. I can tell
> I spent a bunch of time with a soft coated wheaton in my lap,petted her
> (because I'm a sucker) and then could not wash my hands for aboutan hour
> afterwards. I never sneezed. This is virtually unheard of forme. I've
> sneezed from poodles, schnauzers, Chinese Cresteds, and lots ofdogs on the
> list. This dog never bothered me.as much
>
> My best advice about getting a dog is to let your daughter spend
> time as you can with the particular dog that you are consideringgetting and
> see her reaction. Hair versus fur doesn't guarantee anything.But personal
> contact will tell the truth.cards for
>
> Good luck! I'd love a dog, but <sniff> know it just is not in the
> me or my oft snuffy son.
>
> Dawn
>
Brian & Alexandra Polikowsky
Going around Dog Shows opening and realising dogs are NOT fot the best interrest of them.
Peta has doner many horrible things like that.
I agree with Kelly
Alex
( Who agrees 100% with Kelly on everything she said about dogs because she has been breeding/showing/handling/grooming dogs for 27 years )
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Peta has doner many horrible things like that.
I agree with Kelly
Alex
( Who agrees 100% with Kelly on everything she said about dogs because she has been breeding/showing/handling/grooming dogs for 27 years )
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Elissa Jill Cleaveland
OK, it only took my ISP 24 hours to deliver that response! Kelly has said it much more eloquently than I. ;o)
Elissa Jill
A Kindersher saychel iz oychet a saychel.
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Elissa Jill
A Kindersher saychel iz oychet a saychel.
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From: pamperedmichelle@...
Most activist organizations have
extremists (even organizations like La Leche League)
-=-=-=-
Do they PAY them?
-=-=-=-
This is NOT endorsed by PETA. These were EXTREMISTS!!
-=-=-=-
They took a stand that day. Made the local news. Interviews and all.
These two dead dogs were "innocent victims" in the war against dog
shows.
-=-=-=-
PETA does not believe that animals should be used for food, clothing,
entertainment,
exploitation or experimentation.
-=-=-=-=-=-
Nor as guide dogs, hearing dogs, or search and rescue dogs. They
believe no animal should be kept in fences---all life should roam free.
-=-=-=-
Most PETA members have PETS!
-=-=-=-
Well, that's because MOST PETA members are uninformed and think that
PETA just wants to stop lab testing and furs.
-=-=-=-=-
What
they object to about animal shows is that they believe the animals are
being exploited and/or used for entertainment purposes. I've seen the
good and bad side of animal shows, as I am sure you have, Kelly.
There are people who truly don't treat their animals with much care
and are only concerned with winning (sort of like the icky showbiz
moms).
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What have you seen?
Dogs that hate it are retired immediately and sold as pets. It's not
worth the money to try to finish a dog that doesn't want to BE there. A
show dog has to LOVE it. He has to be fit and sound physically and
mentally. A dog *can't* win with poor treatment. It'll show in the
attitude or the coat or the gait.
I know of bad dog owners, yes. But that's the *exception* in dog
showing. It's ridiculously common in the pet world.
-=--=-=-
I wonder if you aren't judging your opinion of PETA based on extremist
headlines rather than on what the MAJORITY of PETA members are doing.
-=-=-=-
The MAJORITY are "Average Joes" with NO knowledge of what PETA is
about. The MAJORITY are the pet-owning public who don't want bunnies'
eyes pinned open for toxic testing. The MAJORITY has no idea that PETA
wants to do away with "pet ownership."
-==-=-=-
One of the big things that PETA is trying to do right now is save the
Chinese right to have pet dogs. China is rounding up dogs that they
feel are excessive, large or dangerous (despite whether the dog truly
is) and killing them.
-=-=-=-=-
Due to a rabies outbreak, the Chinese government killed thousands of
dogs. Some dogs may not have had the disease. China is notorious for a
lack of HUMAN rights. Dogs can hardly claim MORE than the Chinese
people.
They also kill dogs for fur. Sometimes for food.
-=-=-=-=
PETA is trying to work with the government to
help people retain their beloved pets.
-=-=-=-
Many of these dogs are feral. The government makes little distinction.
Our local governments put down thousands of animals each year. I
volunteered at an Air Force Base shelter. WE put down an average of 55
animals each month.
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I've never joined PETA because I do eat
meat on occasion (there will be no icky tofurky at my dinner table on
Thursday) and I do wear leather as well sometimes.
-=-=-=-
Do you think ALL PETA members are vegans??? There are thousands upon
thousands of PETA members---like your grandma---who just think furs are
bad. They don't KNOW what all's on the table.
-=-=-=-
I do try to assure
that the sources for that meat and leather come from more humane
places such as free range farms and low cruelty killing practices. I
buy a lot of leather that comes from hunters rather than cow leather
where I'm not sure of how the animal may have been killed (cruelly?)
And I live with a hunter who honors the animal that he shoots and does
his best to make sure that as much of the animals is used, making its
death mean more than just a trophy on his wall (of which we have no
trophies).
-=-=-=-=-
You have WAY too many anti-PETA issues. You might want to look into the
organization some more.
=-=-=-=-=-
Please don't judge PETA based on the extremists that are in the news.
Michelle - friend of PETA
-=-=-=-=-
I use to be pro-PETA until what happened to my friend's whippets. I
learned a LOT about them in a very short time. Luckily I was IN the
ring with my dogs, or mine would have been targeted too. My van was two
cars down from the whippets. I don't judge based on "extremists in the
news"---I was THERE.
Please don't assume that PETA is not an EXTREME organization. Do more
research.
~Kelly, PETA-hater
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From: pamperedmichelle@...
Most activist organizations have
extremists (even organizations like La Leche League)
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Do they PAY them?
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This is NOT endorsed by PETA. These were EXTREMISTS!!
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They took a stand that day. Made the local news. Interviews and all.
These two dead dogs were "innocent victims" in the war against dog
shows.
-=-=-=-
PETA does not believe that animals should be used for food, clothing,
entertainment,
exploitation or experimentation.
-=-=-=-=-=-
Nor as guide dogs, hearing dogs, or search and rescue dogs. They
believe no animal should be kept in fences---all life should roam free.
-=-=-=-
Most PETA members have PETS!
-=-=-=-
Well, that's because MOST PETA members are uninformed and think that
PETA just wants to stop lab testing and furs.
-=-=-=-=-
What
they object to about animal shows is that they believe the animals are
being exploited and/or used for entertainment purposes. I've seen the
good and bad side of animal shows, as I am sure you have, Kelly.
There are people who truly don't treat their animals with much care
and are only concerned with winning (sort of like the icky showbiz
moms).
-=-=-=-=-=-=-
What have you seen?
Dogs that hate it are retired immediately and sold as pets. It's not
worth the money to try to finish a dog that doesn't want to BE there. A
show dog has to LOVE it. He has to be fit and sound physically and
mentally. A dog *can't* win with poor treatment. It'll show in the
attitude or the coat or the gait.
I know of bad dog owners, yes. But that's the *exception* in dog
showing. It's ridiculously common in the pet world.
-=--=-=-
I wonder if you aren't judging your opinion of PETA based on extremist
headlines rather than on what the MAJORITY of PETA members are doing.
-=-=-=-
The MAJORITY are "Average Joes" with NO knowledge of what PETA is
about. The MAJORITY are the pet-owning public who don't want bunnies'
eyes pinned open for toxic testing. The MAJORITY has no idea that PETA
wants to do away with "pet ownership."
-==-=-=-
One of the big things that PETA is trying to do right now is save the
Chinese right to have pet dogs. China is rounding up dogs that they
feel are excessive, large or dangerous (despite whether the dog truly
is) and killing them.
-=-=-=-=-
Due to a rabies outbreak, the Chinese government killed thousands of
dogs. Some dogs may not have had the disease. China is notorious for a
lack of HUMAN rights. Dogs can hardly claim MORE than the Chinese
people.
They also kill dogs for fur. Sometimes for food.
-=-=-=-=
PETA is trying to work with the government to
help people retain their beloved pets.
-=-=-=-
Many of these dogs are feral. The government makes little distinction.
Our local governments put down thousands of animals each year. I
volunteered at an Air Force Base shelter. WE put down an average of 55
animals each month.
-=-=-=-=-
I've never joined PETA because I do eat
meat on occasion (there will be no icky tofurky at my dinner table on
Thursday) and I do wear leather as well sometimes.
-=-=-=-
Do you think ALL PETA members are vegans??? There are thousands upon
thousands of PETA members---like your grandma---who just think furs are
bad. They don't KNOW what all's on the table.
-=-=-=-
I do try to assure
that the sources for that meat and leather come from more humane
places such as free range farms and low cruelty killing practices. I
buy a lot of leather that comes from hunters rather than cow leather
where I'm not sure of how the animal may have been killed (cruelly?)
And I live with a hunter who honors the animal that he shoots and does
his best to make sure that as much of the animals is used, making its
death mean more than just a trophy on his wall (of which we have no
trophies).
-=-=-=-=-
You have WAY too many anti-PETA issues. You might want to look into the
organization some more.
=-=-=-=-=-
Please don't judge PETA based on the extremists that are in the news.
Michelle - friend of PETA
-=-=-=-=-
I use to be pro-PETA until what happened to my friend's whippets. I
learned a LOT about them in a very short time. Luckily I was IN the
ring with my dogs, or mine would have been targeted too. My van was two
cars down from the whippets. I don't judge based on "extremists in the
news"---I was THERE.
Please don't assume that PETA is not an EXTREME organization. Do more
research.
~Kelly, PETA-hater
________________________________________________________________________
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security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from
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