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On 5/8/06, ohpurple1@... <ohpurple1@...> wrote:
>
> Warmly,
> Robin in MA, who is thrilled that the school department barely cares that
> we
> exist.


We use a cover school for our "compliance" in Florida. It's the only way
you can homeschool in Alabama (unless you have a certified teaching
certificate and then you have to follow state guidelines and mandates).
The cool thing is that with these cover schools the only thing they are
concerned with is attendance. "How many days did your child attend
homeschool?" Uh, 365. (rolling eyes). I find it very interesting how each
state differs in what they require. In one state you just homeschool.
While another state wants the whole curriculum laid out and what you intend
to study and documentation and testing. What I find highly ironic is that
the state that is the easiest to homeschool in (Texas) has the most strict
public school attendance policies. You cannot take a family vacation in
Texas if your children are in public school. Missed days other than being
sick or attending the funeral of an *immediate* family member are considered
unexucused! It's two radically different messages. One side says, "Parents
have the ability to make good decisions for their children" and the other
side says, "Parents are incapable of making good decisions for their
children."

I'm always curious how other families work around their state laws to
unschool.





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Melissa

Oklahoma is easy, there's no laws or requirements. You don't even
have to tell them you're homeschooling, although if you pull in the
middle of the year it's suggested you write a letter so the school
doesn't report for truancy.
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On May 8, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Pampered Chef Michelle wrote:
>
> I'm always curious how other families work around their state laws to
> unschool.
>
>
>

Deb

--- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
>
> I'm always curious how other families work around their state laws
>to
> unschool.
>
Here in CT, we don't even have to be a 'private school' (which, I
think, is how homeschoolers are classified in TX - which would have
me scanning the legal process for any changes to private school
regulations regularly). If your child has never been enrolled you
are not required to do anything, legally. Some people choose to file
a notice of intent and keep a portfolio. My MIL hsed (not
unschooled) for about 5 or 6 years (SILs 2 & 3) and filed NOI and
kept a portfolio - and was NEVER asked to bring it in to show. It is
up to the school district to make the appointment and they never
did. DS has never been enrolled in anything so we just kept living
large as he turned 5 and 6 and 7 and now he's about to be 8.

It's legally in a part of the statutes that came over, almost
completely intact, from the original 1650 code that governed the new
colony of CT.

As I understand it, isn't home education allowed as an 'alternative
option' under Oklahoma's state constitution?

--Deb

Momma

Deb wrote---

---Here in CT, we don't even have to be a 'private school' (which, I
think, is how homeschoolers are classified in TX - which would have
me scanning the legal process for any changes to private school
regulations regularly).



Actually, here in Texas, we don't have any connections to private schools at
all. ( I don't even know what, if any, regulations are put on private
schools here in TX.) We also don't have to inform anyone unless our children
are already in PS and that is only a letter of intent to homeschool. We are
considered a private school meaning the state doesn't tell us what we can
and can't do, only that we use a bona fide curriculum (doesn't say what that
is) and that we cover basic subjects, but unless there is an issue you will
likely never hear from the school district or state.

Texas has some of the loosest laws in the country as far as homeschooling.

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Saille

I used to live in Texas and there are no hsing laws there. No registration, no testing, no curriculum requirements, etc. Here in Oregon hsers are required to register and parents are required to have their children tested at grades, 3,5,8,and 10 and keep results on file. A lot of unschoolers in OR deal woth this by simply not registering. I don't know anyone who has ever been tracked down or asked to produce test scores. For me it is a bit of a doubled edged sword, if I register I have to subject the kids to be tested, if I don't we miss out on a lot of great resources in our community for registered homeschoolers.

Melissa in OR

Deb <soggyboysmom@...> wrote: --- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
>
> I'm always curious how other families work around their state laws
>to
> unschool.
>
Here in CT, we don't even have to be a 'private school' (which, I
think, is how homeschoolers are classified in TX - which would have
me scanning the legal process for any changes to private school
regulations regularly). If your child has never been enrolled you
are not required to do anything, legally. Some people choose to file
a notice of intent and keep a portfolio. My MIL hsed (not
unschooled) for about 5 or 6 years (SILs 2 & 3) and filed NOI and
kept a portfolio - and was NEVER asked to bring it in to show. It is
up to the school district to make the appointment and they never
did. DS has never been enrolled in anything so we just kept living
large as he turned 5 and 6 and 7 and now he's about to be 8.

It's legally in a part of the statutes that came over, almost
completely intact, from the original 1650 code that governed the new
colony of CT.

As I understand it, isn't home education allowed as an 'alternative
option' under Oklahoma's state constitution?

--Deb






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Melissa

The constitution states that attendance in PS is necessary unless
another means of education is provided. There are no other
definitions of other means, so it leaves it wide open for us. There
are no requirements, no reporting, no testing. It does state that it
should take 180 days (minus five days for 'teacher training') of
instruction, but there are no guidelines for curriculum or level
reached.
I do keep track of what we've done, so that I can see what we had fun
with and remember to bring it up another time, or see what no one had
fun with, and remember not to push it again. :-P

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On May 8, 2006, at 10:51 AM, Deb wrote:

>
> As I understand it, isn't home education allowed as an 'alternative
> option' under Oklahoma's state constitution?
>

trektheory

--- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
> I'm always curious how other families work around their state laws
to
> unschool.
>

I'm on my 3rd state homeschooling. In FL, we, too, used an umbrella
school (though initially I had filed with the county - and they gave
me a hassle when I pulled out of that to go with the school.) That
was about 3 yrs worth.

Then we lived in VA. I filed my notice of intent to homeschool
(required, unless you are filing under a religious exemption, in
which case, you immediately drop out of their radar screen. Wasn't
an option for me, though.), with a minimal of information about what
we were going to do. There are a number of ways to file; I opted for
the easiest for me. I have a BS (no comments -- I've already
made 'em all!), so that made things easier. But there is a LOT of
state-wide support, a very active hsing community, so if anyone had
trouble figuring it out, there was always help there. We only lived
there for 4 months, so I never had to worry about the year-end
testing.

Now, we live in Idaho. (Who'da thunk it?) The law basically says
give them a comparable education, but there is no notification
required, no testing, so we are now totally off any schooling radar.
Weird to me, but very nice.

Linda

HABIB OWENS

We live in Maryland(Prince Georges county) in Maryland it is different even in each county. and are part of an umbrella program that is unschooling friendly.

Tywane

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To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2006 1:07:28 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: State differences was: Results of test: Ouch.

--- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
> I'm always curious how other families work around their state laws
to
> unschool.
>

I'm on my 3rd state homeschooling. In FL, we, too, used an umbrella
school (though initially I had filed with the county - and they gave
me a hassle when I pulled out of that to go with the school.) That
was about 3 yrs worth.

Then we lived in VA. I filed my notice of intent to homeschool
(required, unless you are filing under a religious exemption, in
which case, you immediately drop out of their radar screen. Wasn't
an option for me, though.), with a minimal of information about what
we were going to do. There are a number of ways to file; I opted for
the easiest for me. I have a BS (no comments -- I've already
made 'em all!), so that made things easier. But there is a LOT of
state-wide support, a very active hsing community, so if anyone had
trouble figuring it out, there was always help there. We only lived
there for 4 months, so I never had to worry about the year-end
testing.

Now, we live in Idaho. (Who'da thunk it?) The law basically says
give them a comparable education, but there is no notification
required, no testing, so we are now totally off any schooling radar.
Weird to me, but very nice.

Linda






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I am collecting state-level information from unschoolers in each
state. We'll put the information up on the <unschooling.info> website
pretty soon.

I don't have anything from idaho, Linda!!! hint hint.

What I want is a brief explanation of how you UNSCHOOL (not just
homeschool) within the legal requirements for homeschooling, plus any
unschooling-specific contact information for your state.

If your state is not listed below, I don't have adequate information
on it - so PLEASE help:

Arizona
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Maine
Maryland
Michigan
Missouri
Montana
New Mexico
New York
Ohio
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Virginia


On May 8, 2006, at 10:07 AM, trektheory wrote:

>
> Now, we live in Idaho. (Who'da thunk it?) The law basically says
> give them a comparable education, but there is no notification
> required, no testing, so we are now totally off any schooling radar.
> Weird to me, but very nice.
>
> Linda

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trektheory

--- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
>

> I don't have anything from idaho, Linda!!! hint hint.
>
> What I want is a brief explanation of how you UNSCHOOL (not just
> homeschool) within the legal requirements for homeschooling, plus
any
> unschooling-specific contact information for your state.
>

Well, really, there isn't much to tell. The legal requirements are
more or less nada. There is no reporting, no accounting, nothing.
Nike homeschooling -- just do it! "By law, parents/guardians are
required to provide "comparable instruction" in "subjects commonly
and usually taught in public schools" "during a period in each year
equal to that in which the public schools are in session." " IDAHO
DOES NOT REGULATE OR MONITOR HOME SCHOOL EDUCATION (taken right
from the dept of ed's website.)

So, complying with law is rather easy. My only thing to wonder about
is -- next year, how will I get my homeeducators card at Barnes and
Noble? When I got it this year, they accepted my VA notice of
intent -- but I won't have anything like that for next year!

Linda

Christina Walker

See I was also wondering stuff like that. Scholastic just did a open
warehouse here in OK but asked for a homeschool register card?????? I
asked them what they meant. No answer cuz we don't have them. Now I
hope someone can help with that situation. I don't have any idea on how
to "prove" that I am a homeschooling mom lol

chris
On Monday, May 8, 2006, at 02:41 PM, trektheory wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
> <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
> >
>
> > I don't have anything from idaho, Linda!!! hint hint.
> >
> > What I want is a brief explanation of how you UNSCHOOL (not just 
> > homeschool) within the legal requirements for homeschooling, plus
> any 
> > unschooling-specific contact information for your state.
> >
>
> Well, really, there isn't much to tell.  The legal requirements are
> more or less nada.  There is no reporting, no accounting, nothing. 
> Nike homeschooling -- just do it!  "By law, parents/guardians are
> required to provide "comparable instruction" in "subjects commonly
> and usually taught in public schools" "during a period in each year
> equal to that in which the public schools are in session." "  IDAHO
> DOES NOT REGULATE OR MONITOR HOME SCHOOL EDUCATION  (taken right
> from the dept of ed's website.)
>
> So, complying with law is rather easy. My only thing to wonder about
> is -- next year, how will I get my homeeducators card at Barnes and
> Noble?  When I got it this year, they accepted my VA notice of
> intent -- but I won't have anything like that for next year!
>
> Linda
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Deb

--- In [email protected], "trektheory"
<trektheory@...> wrote:
>
> So, complying with law is rather easy. My only thing to wonder about
> is -- next year, how will I get my homeeducators card at Barnes and
> Noble? When I got it this year, they accepted my VA notice of
> intent -- but I won't have anything like that for next year!
>
What you do is go in during their Educator Appreciation days (they
have them two or three times per year). Bring in your Virginia card
and say, sweetly and innocently as you can "We moved up here not long
ago and now my B&N educator card, that we used so often, is about to
expire. Can I just renew it here? Is there a form I need to do to
transfer it?" If you've got a Borders Books near you, maybe go there
as well (again during Educator's days). I've found that if one store
gives me any trouble, a simple "oh okay, no problem, I can probably
get this same item over at <your competitor> with the discount. Thanks
anyway." Here in CT, as with where you are, there is no paperwork.
Borders knows that. The B&N store near them just opened last year and
when they first opened, apparently they had no idea because they were
just parroting some 'standard regulations' which have no bearing on
home education in this state. They gave me such a hard time that I
just walked out and told the manager I'd just shop at Borders from
then on. And I let my local homeschooling friends know about it too.
Within about 3 months they had their Ed Days and I walked in and asked
to get the card, marked down homeschool for "School name" and they
didn't say a word. Guess they got an earful!

Another option is to have a magazine or newsletter on homeschooling
(HEM, a local group newsletter, whatever) with your name on the pre-
printed label (that's important) and show them that if they get picky.
I doubt they will though - homeschoolers are a HUGE book market.

--Deb

Pampered Chef Michelle

On 5/8/06, trektheory <trektheory@...> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
> <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
>
>
> So, complying with law is rather easy. My only thing to wonder about
> is -- next year, how will I get my homeeducators card at Barnes and
> Noble? When I got it this year, they accepted my VA notice of
> intent -- but I won't have anything like that for next year!


Linda, I don't have anything that says I homeschool. When I signed up I
just stated that we were homeschoolers. They asked if we were with any kind
of organization or group and I said, "We have a homeschool playgroup" and
that was good enough. They didn't even ask for verification. Although I
did sign up back in the media portion of the store, so maybe he just didn't
know he was supposed to see something :)



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On 5/8/06, Christina Walker <no1lefthere@...> wrote:
>
> See I was also wondering stuff like that. Scholastic just did a open
> warehouse here in OK but asked for a homeschool register card?????? I
> asked them what they meant. No answer cuz we don't have them. Now I
> hope someone can help with that situation. I don't have any idea on how
> to "prove" that I am a homeschooling mom lol


Create one on your computer. "Family Name" Joyful Homeschool with your
address, phone number and your name as "Instructor" :-) Just as good as
anything else.





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Christina Walker

Thank you! I will be messing with that tonight lol! And as soon as I
get another ink cartridge for this darn printer lol...........

On Monday, May 8, 2006, at 04:27 PM, Pampered Chef Michelle wrote:

> On 5/8/06, Christina Walker <no1lefthere@...> wrote:
> >
> > See I was also wondering stuff like that. Scholastic just did a open
> > warehouse here in OK but asked for a homeschool register card?????? I
> > asked them what they meant. No answer cuz we don't have them. Now I
> > hope someone can help with that situation. I don't have any idea on
> how
> > to "prove" that I am a homeschooling mom lol
>
>
> Create one on your computer.  "Family Name" Joyful Homeschool with your
> address, phone number and your name as "Instructor" :-)  Just as good
> as
> anything else.
>
>
>
>
>
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On May 8, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Momma wrote:

> Actually, here in Texas, we don't have any connections to private
> schools at
> all. ( I don't even know what, if any, regulations are put on private
> schools here in TX.)

In Texas, the Leeper Decision says, in effect, that homeschooling is
the equivalent of a private school.

"The parents of school-age children in Texas need only home school
"in a bona fide manner" (not a sham or subterfuge), have a curriculum
"consisting of books, workbooks, other written materials, including
that which appears on a computer screen or video tape monitor, . . .
developed or obtained from any source", and the curriculum must be
"designed to meet basic education goals of reading, spelling,
grammar, mathematics and a study of good citizenship."

If Texans follow the recipe above, they are exempt from mandatory
attendance in the public schools, and are in effect, operating a
private school for their own children."


<http://www.carwrecks.com/homeschool.html>
Good site for clearly explaining the history of compulsory education
and public, private and home education in Texas, written by an attorney.

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Melissa

Well, I kind of already said it before, but I'll repeat for your
official records. Oklahoma's constitution states that attendance in
PS is necessary unless another means of education is provided. There
are no other definitions of other means, so it leaves it wide open
for us. There are no requirements, no reporting, no testing. It does
state that it should take 180 days (minus five days for 'teacher
training') of instruction, but there are no guidelines for curriculum
or level reached. Unschooling is quite easy here, because of the lack
of requirements, but it is rare to find unschoolers, much less RU.

We pulled our kids out of school, and didn't receive slack for it,
and haven't had any problems. There are a lot of support groups
officially and unofficially. HERO, NAHE, OCHEC, and COACH are a few I
can think of, but they all are school at homer's really, I think. I
also believe there is one in Tulsa, but I can't specifically think of
the name. There is one unschooling group, but very small and I was
kind of disappointed at the curriculum talk the one playgroup I
visited. Much less the hairy eyeballs that we got when the kids
picked out their junky snacks or talked about videogames and movies!
There is a list with a further spread than what I've met
IRL...unschoolingchristiansinokcmetro, and the owner of
homeschoolinginokcmetro is an unschooler.

Also check here: http://oklahomahomeschooling.org/support.htm almost
all of them say christian groups, but most of them IRL aren't that
focused on fundamentalism.
HTH.
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On May 8, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Pamela Sorooshian wrote:

> I am collecting state-level information from unschoolers in each
> state. We'll put the information up on the <unschooling.info> website
> pretty soon.

trektheory

--- In [email protected], "Deb" <soggyboysmom@...>
wrote:

> Another option is to have a magazine or newsletter on homeschooling
> (HEM, a local group newsletter, whatever) with your name on the pre-
> printed label (that's important) and show them that if they get
picky.
> I doubt they will though - homeschoolers are a HUGE book market.
>
> --Deb
>

Hmmm... now that's an interesting approach. I am the new
owner/publisher of a local homeschooling newsletter (new as in, my
first issue isn't out yet!) Wonder if that would be evidence
enough....

Linda

Burton Bunch

trektheory wrote:

> Hmmm... now that's an interesting approach. I am the new
> owner/publisher of a local homeschooling newsletter (new as in, my
> first issue isn't out yet!) Wonder if that would be evidence
> enough....
>
> Linda

*****Yes it is (fellow Idahoan). When I was doing a NL I simply made
some business cards that went with it showing membership in a local
homeschool group and they accepted it without a word. They said the card
wasn't even necessary though - simply the label with your name on it is
sufficient. HTH...
Jin

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