*SIGH* Big DH Hurdle to try and Overcome
aplan4life
Tonight, Zak was sitting at the table enjoying a puzzle when DH walked
out and said, "Zak what are you doin'? Zak replied "Oh, this puzzle."
Then dh said, "Oh, I thought you were doing your Ged?" DS then
informs DH that he can't take it until 16 and then DH says, "Well, you
weren't doing it for a piece of paper anyway, you're doing it to get
smarter and learn"
I jumped in and said, "He learns all the time anyway." Dh says, "Not
like that" and then turns to Zak and says, "You have been learning
right?" Zak is like "Well, yeah" and Dh replies, "See, there you go,
you've learned a lot." Then off to bed went DH, DS stops the puzzle
and sits down all sad and tells me that the ONLY reason he was doing
that was he thought that he could graduate highschool early. I told
him that it's okay, not a waste of money but don't feel like you have
to do it.
This sucks, he CARES about was his father thinks and if DH is not
going to read books about unschooling and the philosophy I cannot see
his attitude changing and I don't know what to do about it. DS only
cares about impressing Dad and feels sad if he doesn't feel as though
he is living up to Dads standards. We've talked about this, DH says
he understands, but he doesn't and he will never get it so long as he
never even bothers to try to.
I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
know what to do. I've stood my ground but what good does it do when
DS cares so much about what his dad says?
~Sorry for so many posts...
Sandy Winn
out and said, "Zak what are you doin'? Zak replied "Oh, this puzzle."
Then dh said, "Oh, I thought you were doing your Ged?" DS then
informs DH that he can't take it until 16 and then DH says, "Well, you
weren't doing it for a piece of paper anyway, you're doing it to get
smarter and learn"
I jumped in and said, "He learns all the time anyway." Dh says, "Not
like that" and then turns to Zak and says, "You have been learning
right?" Zak is like "Well, yeah" and Dh replies, "See, there you go,
you've learned a lot." Then off to bed went DH, DS stops the puzzle
and sits down all sad and tells me that the ONLY reason he was doing
that was he thought that he could graduate highschool early. I told
him that it's okay, not a waste of money but don't feel like you have
to do it.
This sucks, he CARES about was his father thinks and if DH is not
going to read books about unschooling and the philosophy I cannot see
his attitude changing and I don't know what to do about it. DS only
cares about impressing Dad and feels sad if he doesn't feel as though
he is living up to Dads standards. We've talked about this, DH says
he understands, but he doesn't and he will never get it so long as he
never even bothers to try to.
I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
know what to do. I've stood my ground but what good does it do when
DS cares so much about what his dad says?
~Sorry for so many posts...
Sandy Winn
Pampered Chef Michelle
On 5/3/06, aplan4life <aplan4life@...> wrote:
you and the kids need to deschool. Maybe even more because it could be that
his work environment is "schooly." If that makes sense. If he isn't going
to read a book, would he read a magazine or internet article? Sometimes
people need to see "work in action" before they can make sense of something
that is SO foreign, and admit it, unschooling, especially radical
unschooling, is VERY foreign to most people because of the way that we were
raised.
I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
gifting the children with and his "schooly thoughts" are causing your child
confusion? He hears from mom, "Live your life and you will learn what you
need as you go through it" and from dad he hears, "You must learn if you
want to get anywhere in life." Two very different thoughts. You can help
your dh deschool by sharing with him the joy of living. Helping him release
some of society's rules and regulations and "shoulds and shouldn'ts." Share
with him a really cool quote that you learned or the story of an adult
homeschooler.
And for fun ask him to go take one of the GED sample tests and ask him how
much of it corresponds with what he is doing in life today!
--
Michelle
Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
The Pampered Chef
850-474-0817
http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
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>Books may be too much. And remember, your dh needs to deschool just like
>
> This sucks, he CARES about was his father thinks and if DH is not
> going to read books about unschooling and the philosophy I cannot see
> his attitude changing and I don't know what to do about it. DS only
> cares about impressing Dad and feels sad if he doesn't feel as though
> he is living up to Dads standards. We've talked about this, DH says
> he understands, but he doesn't and he will never get it so long as he
> never even bothers to try to.
you and the kids need to deschool. Maybe even more because it could be that
his work environment is "schooly." If that makes sense. If he isn't going
to read a book, would he read a magazine or internet article? Sometimes
people need to see "work in action" before they can make sense of something
that is SO foreign, and admit it, unschooling, especially radical
unschooling, is VERY foreign to most people because of the way that we were
raised.
I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
> know what to do. I've stood my ground but what good does it do whenHave you talked to him about how the unschooling philosophy that you are
> DS cares so much about what his dad says?
gifting the children with and his "schooly thoughts" are causing your child
confusion? He hears from mom, "Live your life and you will learn what you
need as you go through it" and from dad he hears, "You must learn if you
want to get anywhere in life." Two very different thoughts. You can help
your dh deschool by sharing with him the joy of living. Helping him release
some of society's rules and regulations and "shoulds and shouldn'ts." Share
with him a really cool quote that you learned or the story of an adult
homeschooler.
And for fun ask him to go take one of the GED sample tests and ask him how
much of it corresponds with what he is doing in life today!
--
Michelle
Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
The Pampered Chef
850-474-0817
http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/3/2006 10:26:13 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
pamperedmichelle@... writes:
I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
has no desire to read and will not listen to me on this. he thinks "his way"
is the ONLY way. how do i argue with that? try to change it? i have no
clue!
newly unschooling mom desperately seeking help
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
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pamperedmichelle@... writes:
I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
> know what to do.i feel the same way. but my hubby was brought up the "traditional way" and
has no desire to read and will not listen to me on this. he thinks "his way"
is the ONLY way. how do i argue with that? try to change it? i have no
clue!
newly unschooling mom desperately seeking help
(http://www.baby-gaga.com/)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
aplan4life
--- In [email protected], LuvnMomma24boys@... wrote:
about it, he gets irritable with me, that is why even though he says
he 'gets it' that he never will. Anyway, I as so worked up that I
wrote him a HUGE email that will await him when he gets to work in the
morning...here is a portion, the last paragraph in my "book" that
awaits him...
_____________________________________________________________________
Alright, I'm done, I don't know what else to say or do but I really
wish that you would step over and trust me and more importantly trust
your kids and even more...trust that this will work for Zachary too.
He wants to write you an email someday, but with how you are makes me
worried that instead of reading through the errors and just enjoying
the email sent out of just PURE LOVE for his Dad, that you'd instead
be critical and say, "Yeah, Zak that was nice but you spelled this
wrong and your grammar was poor." Then you'd be pissed off with me, I
hate feeling like that but I do, I love you but you are making this
really hard on me and on the kids because sometimes Brooke will ask to
do 'schooly' things because her dad thinks it's important. I need you
to be on the same page, I need you to look past what the schools say
are important and what the school folks say their children are doing
and when reading an email from your kids (even if riddled with errors)
smile and say to yourself, "Well, they forgot to use spell check" and
then write them back writing as you would write me, not correcting my
errors, but just writing me back. I guarantee you that over a period
of time, because they would see how you write (paragraphs,
punctuation, etc.) and would be able to write you without fear of
criticism; that their emails would more and more, little by little,
start looking 'right' grammatically and spelling would be improved
also. However, if they fear you'll be disappointed in how they write,
then forget it, they are better off not writing you but know this...it
isn't because they don't love you, it's because they fear
disappointing you and being 'scolded' by you.
_____________________________________________________________________
How sad that would make me to know that my children wouldn't write me
because I'd correct them all of the time instead of just enjoying the
letter.
~Sandy
>>way" and
> In a message dated 5/3/2006 10:26:13 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
> pamperedmichelle@... writes:
> i feel the same way. but my hubby was brought up the "traditional
> has no desire to read and will not listen to me on this. he thinks"his way"
> is the ONLY way. how do i argue with that? try to change it? ihave no
> clue!((((((((Michelle))))))))))) I know, mine doesn't even like to talk
about it, he gets irritable with me, that is why even though he says
he 'gets it' that he never will. Anyway, I as so worked up that I
wrote him a HUGE email that will await him when he gets to work in the
morning...here is a portion, the last paragraph in my "book" that
awaits him...
_____________________________________________________________________
Alright, I'm done, I don't know what else to say or do but I really
wish that you would step over and trust me and more importantly trust
your kids and even more...trust that this will work for Zachary too.
He wants to write you an email someday, but with how you are makes me
worried that instead of reading through the errors and just enjoying
the email sent out of just PURE LOVE for his Dad, that you'd instead
be critical and say, "Yeah, Zak that was nice but you spelled this
wrong and your grammar was poor." Then you'd be pissed off with me, I
hate feeling like that but I do, I love you but you are making this
really hard on me and on the kids because sometimes Brooke will ask to
do 'schooly' things because her dad thinks it's important. I need you
to be on the same page, I need you to look past what the schools say
are important and what the school folks say their children are doing
and when reading an email from your kids (even if riddled with errors)
smile and say to yourself, "Well, they forgot to use spell check" and
then write them back writing as you would write me, not correcting my
errors, but just writing me back. I guarantee you that over a period
of time, because they would see how you write (paragraphs,
punctuation, etc.) and would be able to write you without fear of
criticism; that their emails would more and more, little by little,
start looking 'right' grammatically and spelling would be improved
also. However, if they fear you'll be disappointed in how they write,
then forget it, they are better off not writing you but know this...it
isn't because they don't love you, it's because they fear
disappointing you and being 'scolded' by you.
_____________________________________________________________________
How sad that would make me to know that my children wouldn't write me
because I'd correct them all of the time instead of just enjoying the
letter.
~Sandy
whatsreal12
There's also a video called "Grown without Schooling" (I think its
www.grownwithoutschooling.com) about grown children who were unschoolers.
I'm always nervous to recommend something I haven't seen myself - has
anyone else seen it?
I thought it might help a "busy" person get the picture more quickly...
Cynthia
--- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
www.grownwithoutschooling.com) about grown children who were unschoolers.
I'm always nervous to recommend something I haven't seen myself - has
anyone else seen it?
I thought it might help a "busy" person get the picture more quickly...
Cynthia
--- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
>like
> On 5/3/06, aplan4life <aplan4life@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This sucks, he CARES about was his father thinks and if DH is not
> > going to read books about unschooling and the philosophy I cannot see
> > his attitude changing and I don't know what to do about it. DS only
> > cares about impressing Dad and feels sad if he doesn't feel as though
> > he is living up to Dads standards. We've talked about this, DH says
> > he understands, but he doesn't and he will never get it so long as he
> > never even bothers to try to.
>
>
> Books may be too much. And remember, your dh needs to deschool just
> you and the kids need to deschool. Maybe even more because it couldbe that
> his work environment is "schooly." If that makes sense. If heisn't going
> to read a book, would he read a magazine or internet article? Sometimessomething
> people need to see "work in action" before they can make sense of
> that is SO foreign, and admit it, unschooling, especially radicalwe were
> unschooling, is VERY foreign to most people because of the way that
> raised.your child
>
>
> I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
> > know what to do. I've stood my ground but what good does it do when
> > DS cares so much about what his dad says?
>
>
> Have you talked to him about how the unschooling philosophy that you are
> gifting the children with and his "schooly thoughts" are causing
> confusion? He hears from mom, "Live your life and you will learnwhat you
> need as you go through it" and from dad he hears, "You must learn if youcan help
> want to get anywhere in life." Two very different thoughts. You
> your dh deschool by sharing with him the joy of living. Helping himrelease
> some of society's rules and regulations and "shoulds andshouldn'ts." Share
> with him a really cool quote that you learned or the story of an adulthim how
> homeschooler.
>
> And for fun ask him to go take one of the GED sample tests and ask
> much of it corresponds with what he is doing in life today!
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Michelle
> Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
> The Pampered Chef
> 850-474-0817
> http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
> Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Pampered Chef Michelle
On 5/4/06, aplan4life <aplan4life@...> wrote:
because I have a niece who is named Mandy and my grandmother always called
her Michelle and me Mandy - which totally ticked Mandy off) Dan and I have
been divorced for 2 years, but it had nothing to do with unschooling. :)
When we started our homeschooling venture 5 years ago, if I had said, "We
are going to unschool because I think it is great!" Dan would have balked
and immediately said "No way!" He wasn't even very happy that the only real
"school" we were doing was math and reading. After the first bit we let go
of the reading but added geography. Then I let go of everything but math
(why is math such a hang up? LOL!) Finally I let go of math and we've been
working into "radical unschooling" ever since. Now Dan gets most of it. I
had to feed him little bits and piecees here and there. Show him examples,
read him a cool passage from a book or e-mail, introduce him to Ren's family
:), and finally show him how "unschooly" he has been in his life. I have
had to do the same thing with him in many aspects of parenting. With family
bedding, extended nursing and child lead weaning, delayed solids and
allowing children to gain skills in their own way. Unschooling is just the
next great step. Wish I had taken that step 8 years ago and trusted myself
back then rather than having to have a big "duh moment" and back track!
--
Michelle
Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
The Pampered Chef
850-474-0817
http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
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>I think those hugs were meant for Mandy not me :) (Which I find funny
>
>
> ((((((((Michelle))))))))))) I know, mine doesn't even like to talk
> about it, he gets irritable with me, that is why even though he says
> he 'gets it' that he never will.
because I have a niece who is named Mandy and my grandmother always called
her Michelle and me Mandy - which totally ticked Mandy off) Dan and I have
been divorced for 2 years, but it had nothing to do with unschooling. :)
When we started our homeschooling venture 5 years ago, if I had said, "We
are going to unschool because I think it is great!" Dan would have balked
and immediately said "No way!" He wasn't even very happy that the only real
"school" we were doing was math and reading. After the first bit we let go
of the reading but added geography. Then I let go of everything but math
(why is math such a hang up? LOL!) Finally I let go of math and we've been
working into "radical unschooling" ever since. Now Dan gets most of it. I
had to feed him little bits and piecees here and there. Show him examples,
read him a cool passage from a book or e-mail, introduce him to Ren's family
:), and finally show him how "unschooly" he has been in his life. I have
had to do the same thing with him in many aspects of parenting. With family
bedding, extended nursing and child lead weaning, delayed solids and
allowing children to gain skills in their own way. Unschooling is just the
next great step. Wish I had taken that step 8 years ago and trusted myself
back then rather than having to have a big "duh moment" and back track!
--
Michelle
Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
The Pampered Chef
850-474-0817
http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
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aplan4life
--- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
HAHA, I realized that after the fact but we've been gone all day but
what the heck, you are deserving of hugs for giving such supportive of
hugs so make no mistake, this hug is for you ((((((Michelle))))))
I'll go slow and patiently, I blew a gasket last night and it didn't
help that we have a huge machine, about 50-100ft from our bedroom
window pumping the wells dry in the neighborhood in order to tap
everyone into a sewer system. The dang thing rattled all day
yesterday and it is so loud that I could not sleep last night; that is
when I vented, that is when I wrote that email to DH (BIG MISTAKE) and
I literally had no sleep last night. I've snapped at my kids all day,
bitched at them for disturbing Mom and Dad's afternoon delight
yesterday, arguments they had yesterday...I'm okay now but feel I
could plop at anytime.
Thank you ALL so much for the support and I won't be posting much for
quite awhile with my Dad coming tomorrow, then our month of family
being visited and visiting.
Send your postitive unschooling vibes for me as I'll need them to ward
off the school minded demon thoughts that will try and ruin my joy! LOL
~Sandy...take care all and have a super May!
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> I think those hugs were meant for Mandy not me :)
HAHA, I realized that after the fact but we've been gone all day but
what the heck, you are deserving of hugs for giving such supportive of
hugs so make no mistake, this hug is for you ((((((Michelle))))))
I'll go slow and patiently, I blew a gasket last night and it didn't
help that we have a huge machine, about 50-100ft from our bedroom
window pumping the wells dry in the neighborhood in order to tap
everyone into a sewer system. The dang thing rattled all day
yesterday and it is so loud that I could not sleep last night; that is
when I vented, that is when I wrote that email to DH (BIG MISTAKE) and
I literally had no sleep last night. I've snapped at my kids all day,
bitched at them for disturbing Mom and Dad's afternoon delight
yesterday, arguments they had yesterday...I'm okay now but feel I
could plop at anytime.
Thank you ALL so much for the support and I won't be posting much for
quite awhile with my Dad coming tomorrow, then our month of family
being visited and visiting.
Send your postitive unschooling vibes for me as I'll need them to ward
off the school minded demon thoughts that will try and ruin my joy! LOL
~Sandy...take care all and have a super May!
[email protected]
It's NOT a good movie for someone unsure of unschooling---hell, it's
not even good for someone who understands unschooling!
I was very disappointed. None of the children/grown adults interviewed
were unschooled in my opinion. They simply didn't go to school
(although a couple did go to school on & off). Many were ignored. Some
did school-at-home on their own.
It was VERY poorly edited. Rephrase: it was NOT editted. It could have
been 45 minutes shorter had someone editted it at all. He just took
every interview and cut & pasted them into sections. Several of the
interviewees were sad and pitiful. Only two seemed as if they could
make it on their own. The interviewees were dull and uninspiring.
I would NOT NOT NOT recommend this to show a spouse who was unsure. It
would definitely make him avoid unschooling! Almost made ME quit! <bwg>
I can't suggest enough to attend a conference. East coast this year in
May: Toronto or Peabody, MA. The Live and Learn is in Albuquerque, NM
in Sept. That would be the best way to present unschooling to most
spouses.
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org
“Learn as if you were going to live forever.
Live as if you were going to die tomorrow.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi
-----Original Message-----
From: whatsreal12 <whatsreal12@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:48:04 -0000
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: *SIGH* Big DH Hurdle to try and
Overcome
There's also a video called "Grown without Schooling" (I think its
www.grownwithoutschooling.com) about grown children who were
unschoolers.
I'm always nervous to recommend something I haven't seen myself - has
anyone else seen it?
I thought it might help a "busy" person get the picture more quickly...
Cynthia
--- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
not even good for someone who understands unschooling!
I was very disappointed. None of the children/grown adults interviewed
were unschooled in my opinion. They simply didn't go to school
(although a couple did go to school on & off). Many were ignored. Some
did school-at-home on their own.
It was VERY poorly edited. Rephrase: it was NOT editted. It could have
been 45 minutes shorter had someone editted it at all. He just took
every interview and cut & pasted them into sections. Several of the
interviewees were sad and pitiful. Only two seemed as if they could
make it on their own. The interviewees were dull and uninspiring.
I would NOT NOT NOT recommend this to show a spouse who was unsure. It
would definitely make him avoid unschooling! Almost made ME quit! <bwg>
I can't suggest enough to attend a conference. East coast this year in
May: Toronto or Peabody, MA. The Live and Learn is in Albuquerque, NM
in Sept. That would be the best way to present unschooling to most
spouses.
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org
“Learn as if you were going to live forever.
Live as if you were going to die tomorrow.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi
-----Original Message-----
From: whatsreal12 <whatsreal12@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:48:04 -0000
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: *SIGH* Big DH Hurdle to try and
Overcome
There's also a video called "Grown without Schooling" (I think its
www.grownwithoutschooling.com) about grown children who were
unschoolers.
I'm always nervous to recommend something I haven't seen myself - has
anyone else seen it?
I thought it might help a "busy" person get the picture more quickly...
Cynthia
--- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
<pamperedmichelle@...> wrote:
>see
> On 5/3/06, aplan4life <aplan4life@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This sucks, he CARES about was his father thinks and if DH is not
> > going to read books about unschooling and the philosophy I cannot
> > his attitude changing and I don't know what to do about it. DS onlythough
> > cares about impressing Dad and feels sad if he doesn't feel as
> > he is living up to Dads standards. We've talked about this, DH sayshe
> > he understands, but he doesn't and he will never get it so long as
> > never even bothers to try to.like
>
>
> Books may be too much. And remember, your dh needs to deschool just
> you and the kids need to deschool. Maybe even more because it couldbe that
> his work environment is "schooly." If that makes sense. If heisn't going
> to read a book, would he read a magazine or internet article?Sometimes
> people need to see "work in action" before they can make sense ofsomething
> that is SO foreign, and admit it, unschooling, especially radicalwe were
> unschooling, is VERY foreign to most people because of the way that
> raised.are
>
>
> I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
> > know what to do. I've stood my ground but what good does it do when
> > DS cares so much about what his dad says?
>
>
> Have you talked to him about how the unschooling philosophy that you
> gifting the children with and his "schooly thoughts" are causingyour child
> confusion? He hears from mom, "Live your life and you will learnwhat you
> need as you go through it" and from dad he hears, "You must learn ifyou
> want to get anywhere in life." Two very different thoughts. Youcan help
> your dh deschool by sharing with him the joy of living. Helping himrelease
> some of society's rules and regulations and "shoulds andshouldn'ts." Share
> with him a really cool quote that you learned or the story of an adulthim how
> homeschooler.
>
> And for fun ask him to go take one of the GED sample tests and ask
> much of it corresponds with what he is doing in life today!Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Michelle
> Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
> The Pampered Chef
> 850-474-0817
> http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
> Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
whatsreal12
Wow! good to know :-} Thank you!
Any of you want to make more inspiring video?
Cynthia
Any of you want to make more inspiring video?
Cynthia
--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
>
> It's NOT a good movie for someone unsure of unschooling---hell, it's
> not even good for someone who understands unschooling!
>
> I was very disappointed. None of the children/grown adults interviewed
> were unschooled in my opinion. They simply didn't go to school
> (although a couple did go to school on & off). Many were ignored. Some
> did school-at-home on their own.
>
> It was VERY poorly edited. Rephrase: it was NOT editted. It could have
> been 45 minutes shorter had someone editted it at all. He just took
> every interview and cut & pasted them into sections. Several of the
> interviewees were sad and pitiful. Only two seemed as if they could
> make it on their own. The interviewees were dull and uninspiring.
>
> I would NOT NOT NOT recommend this to show a spouse who was unsure. It
> would definitely make him avoid unschooling! Almost made ME quit! <bwg>
>
> I can't suggest enough to attend a conference. East coast this year in
> May: Toronto or Peabody, MA. The Live and Learn is in Albuquerque, NM
> in Sept. That would be the best way to present unschooling to most
> spouses.
>
> ~Kelly
>
> Kelly Lovejoy
> Conference Coordinator
> Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> http://liveandlearnconference.org
>
> âLearn as if you were going to live forever.
> Live as if you were going to die tomorrow.â ~ Mahatma Gandhi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: whatsreal12 <whatsreal12@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:48:04 -0000
> Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: *SIGH* Big DH Hurdle to try and
> Overcome
>
> There's also a video called "Grown without Schooling" (I think its
> www.grownwithoutschooling.com) about grown children who were
> unschoolers.
> I'm always nervous to recommend something I haven't seen myself - has
> anyone else seen it?
> I thought it might help a "busy" person get the picture more quickly...
> Cynthia
>
> --- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
> <pamperedmichelle@> wrote:
> >
> > On 5/3/06, aplan4life <aplan4life@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This sucks, he CARES about was his father thinks and if DH is not
> > > going to read books about unschooling and the philosophy I cannot
> see
> > > his attitude changing and I don't know what to do about it. DS only
> > > cares about impressing Dad and feels sad if he doesn't feel as
> though
> > > he is living up to Dads standards. We've talked about this, DH says
> > > he understands, but he doesn't and he will never get it so long as
> he
> > > never even bothers to try to.
> >
> >
> > Books may be too much. And remember, your dh needs to deschool just
> like
> > you and the kids need to deschool. Maybe even more because it could
> be that
> > his work environment is "schooly." If that makes sense. If he
> isn't going
> > to read a book, would he read a magazine or internet article?
> Sometimes
> > people need to see "work in action" before they can make sense of
> something
> > that is SO foreign, and admit it, unschooling, especially radical
> > unschooling, is VERY foreign to most people because of the way that
> we were
> > raised.
> >
> >
> > I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
> > > know what to do. I've stood my ground but what good does it do when
> > > DS cares so much about what his dad says?
> >
> >
> > Have you talked to him about how the unschooling philosophy that you
> are
> > gifting the children with and his "schooly thoughts" are causing
> your child
> > confusion? He hears from mom, "Live your life and you will learn
> what you
> > need as you go through it" and from dad he hears, "You must learn if
> you
> > want to get anywhere in life." Two very different thoughts. You
> can help
> > your dh deschool by sharing with him the joy of living. Helping him
> release
> > some of society's rules and regulations and "shoulds and
> shouldn'ts." Share
> > with him a really cool quote that you learned or the story of an adult
> > homeschooler.
> >
> > And for fun ask him to go take one of the GED sample tests and ask
> him how
> > much of it corresponds with what he is doing in life today!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Michelle
> > Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
> > The Pampered Chef
> > 850-474-0817
> > http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
> > Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Christy Putnam
~SNIP~ I can't suggest enough to attend a conference. East coast this year in
In Gratitude,
Christy Putnam
Unschooling Mom to Aden (1) and Seth (11)
Loving wife of Chet (ann. 7/4/04)
<http://blog.myspace.com/personal_balance> http://blog.myspace.com/personal_balance
"Go confidently in the direction of your
dreams. Live the life you have always
imagined." - Henry David Thoreau
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of whatsreal12
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Grown without Schooling Was: *SIGH* Big DH Hurdle
Wow! good to know :-} Thank you!
Any of you want to make more inspiring video?
Cynthia
> May: Toronto or Peabody, MA. The Live and Learn is in Albuquerque, NMRethinking Education is in Irving, TX...this year on labor day weekend (not sure about other years...this is our first year to hear about it). We are going and I cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> in Sept. That would be the best way to present unschooling to most
> spouses.~SNIP~
In Gratitude,
Christy Putnam
Unschooling Mom to Aden (1) and Seth (11)
Loving wife of Chet (ann. 7/4/04)
<http://blog.myspace.com/personal_balance> http://blog.myspace.com/personal_balance
"Go confidently in the direction of your
dreams. Live the life you have always
imagined." - Henry David Thoreau
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of whatsreal12
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Grown without Schooling Was: *SIGH* Big DH Hurdle
Wow! good to know :-} Thank you!
Any of you want to make more inspiring video?
Cynthia
--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
>
> It's NOT a good movie for someone unsure of unschooling---hell, it's
> not even good for someone who understands unschooling!
>
> I was very disappointed. None of the children/grown adults interviewed
> were unschooled in my opinion. They simply didn't go to school
> (although a couple did go to school on & off). Many were ignored. Some
> did school-at-home on their own.
>
> It was VERY poorly edited. Rephrase: it was NOT editted. It could have
> been 45 minutes shorter had someone editted it at all. He just took
> every interview and cut & pasted them into sections. Several of the
> interviewees were sad and pitiful. Only two seemed as if they could
> make it on their own. The interviewees were dull and uninspiring.
>
> I would NOT NOT NOT recommend this to show a spouse who was unsure. It
> would definitely make him avoid unschooling! Almost made ME quit! <bwg>
>
> I can't suggest enough to attend a conference. East coast this year in
> May: Toronto or Peabody, MA. The Live and Learn is in Albuquerque, NM
> in Sept. That would be the best way to present unschooling to most
> spouses.
>
> ~Kelly
>
> Kelly Lovejoy
> Conference Coordinator
> Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> http://liveandlearnconference.org
>
> “Learn as if you were going to live forever.
> Live as if you were going to die tomorrow.†~ Mahatma Gandhi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: whatsreal12 <whatsreal12@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:48:04 -0000
> Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: *SIGH* Big DH Hurdle to try and
> Overcome
>
> There's also a video called "Grown without Schooling" (I think its
> www.grownwithoutschooling.com) about grown children who were
> unschoolers.
> I'm always nervous to recommend something I haven't seen myself - has
> anyone else seen it?
> I thought it might help a "busy" person get the picture more quickly...
> Cynthia
>
> --- In [email protected], "Pampered Chef Michelle"
> <pamperedmichelle@> wrote:
> >
> > On 5/3/06, aplan4life <aplan4life@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This sucks, he CARES about was his father thinks and if DH is not
> > > going to read books about unschooling and the philosophy I cannot
> see
> > > his attitude changing and I don't know what to do about it. DS only
> > > cares about impressing Dad and feels sad if he doesn't feel as
> though
> > > he is living up to Dads standards. We've talked about this, DH says
> > > he understands, but he doesn't and he will never get it so long as
> he
> > > never even bothers to try to.
> >
> >
> > Books may be too much. And remember, your dh needs to deschool just
> like
> > you and the kids need to deschool. Maybe even more because it could
> be that
> > his work environment is "schooly." If that makes sense. If he
> isn't going
> > to read a book, would he read a magazine or internet article?
> Sometimes
> > people need to see "work in action" before they can make sense of
> something
> > that is SO foreign, and admit it, unschooling, especially radical
> > unschooling, is VERY foreign to most people because of the way that
> we were
> > raised.
> >
> >
> > I love my husband and don't want to be divorced over this, I don't
> > > know what to do. I've stood my ground but what good does it do when
> > > DS cares so much about what his dad says?
> >
> >
> > Have you talked to him about how the unschooling philosophy that you
> are
> > gifting the children with and his "schooly thoughts" are causing
> your child
> > confusion? He hears from mom, "Live your life and you will learn
> what you
> > need as you go through it" and from dad he hears, "You must learn if
> you
> > want to get anywhere in life." Two very different thoughts. You
> can help
> > your dh deschool by sharing with him the joy of living. Helping him
> release
> > some of society's rules and regulations and "shoulds and
> shouldn'ts." Share
> > with him a really cool quote that you learned or the story of an adult
> > homeschooler.
> >
> > And for fun ask him to go take one of the GED sample tests and ask
> him how
> > much of it corresponds with what he is doing in life today!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Michelle
> > Independent Kitchen Consultant #413652
> > The Pampered Chef
> > 850-474-0817
> > http://www.pamperedchef.biz/michellelr
> > Ask me how you can save 60% on some of our most favorite products!
> >
> >
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