Choosing Not to abide by state 'homeschooling' laws
jenneferh2000
If your child has never been to school, then they shouldn't be in the
school's system, right? Therefore, to them, the child doesn't exist.
So why bother volunteering any info at all? Is there really such a
thing as 'educational neglect/abuse ??' that people can report to the
Child Welfare Agency? And if so, where can I read more about this?
-Jennefer
school's system, right? Therefore, to them, the child doesn't exist.
So why bother volunteering any info at all? Is there really such a
thing as 'educational neglect/abuse ??' that people can report to the
Child Welfare Agency? And if so, where can I read more about this?
-Jennefer
AlysonRR
When we lived in MA we had to (?) fill out a yearly town census. The
year we had our son (at a local hospital), the census form had his name
and birthdate printed on it just under ours; presumably they collect
birth data from the hospitals or the state from whom the birth
certificate was issued. Kink of freaky. The year we left my son would
have been kindergarten age and a pre-enrollment package arrived in the
mail. I'm sure there are states where it's easier to stay off the
radar, but in the part of MA where we lived it sure seemed impossible.
I'll let more experienced voices answer your other questions.
Alyson
-----Original Message-----
From: jenneferh2000 [mailto:jenneferh2000@...]
<<< If your child has never been to school, then they shouldn't be in
the
school's system, right? Therefore, to them, the child doesn't exist.
So why bother volunteering any info at all? . >>>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
year we had our son (at a local hospital), the census form had his name
and birthdate printed on it just under ours; presumably they collect
birth data from the hospitals or the state from whom the birth
certificate was issued. Kink of freaky. The year we left my son would
have been kindergarten age and a pre-enrollment package arrived in the
mail. I'm sure there are states where it's easier to stay off the
radar, but in the part of MA where we lived it sure seemed impossible.
I'll let more experienced voices answer your other questions.
Alyson
-----Original Message-----
From: jenneferh2000 [mailto:jenneferh2000@...]
<<< If your child has never been to school, then they shouldn't be in
the
school's system, right? Therefore, to them, the child doesn't exist.
So why bother volunteering any info at all? . >>>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Julie Bogart
--- In [email protected], "jenneferh2000" <jenneferh2000@y...>
wrote:
notify the school district and then you can't be considered truant. At the end of the year,
you test or do a portfolio evaluation (which just means you pay someone to certify thta
you did homeschool).
Each state is different.
Julie B
wrote:
> If your child has never been to school, then they shouldn't be in theI don't know what state she's in but in Ohio, you are required to notify. That's all. You
> school's system, right? Therefore, to them, the child doesn't exist.
> So why bother volunteering any info at all? Is there really such a
> thing as 'educational neglect/abuse ??' that people can report to the
> Child Welfare Agency? And if so, where can I read more about this?
>
> -Jennefer
notify the school district and then you can't be considered truant. At the end of the year,
you test or do a portfolio evaluation (which just means you pay someone to certify thta
you did homeschool).
Each state is different.
Julie B
[email protected]
<< If your child has never been to school, then they shouldn't be in the
school's system, right? Therefore, to them, the child doesn't exist.
So why bother volunteering any info at all? >>
Every state has compulsory education laws, so a resident child exists.
-=- Is there really such a
thing as 'educational neglect/abuse ??' that people can report to the
Child Welfare Agency? -=-
Sure there is. If they define it, it exists for them, and if they have
authority they can exercise that authority.
-=- And if so, where can I read more about this?-=-
Go to google.com and look up some of those terms and your state's name.
It's not about how people learn, so it's not a good topic for this list.
Unschooling IS homeschooling. We can't get away from that. When we're home
in a place where there are compulsory attendance laws, we had better know what
law or exception is enabling us to be home. As there are people here from
all over the English-speaking world, I'm not interested in talking about the
umpty-dozen jurisdictions and their differences. Local or regional lists would
be better for that.
Sandra
school's system, right? Therefore, to them, the child doesn't exist.
So why bother volunteering any info at all? >>
Every state has compulsory education laws, so a resident child exists.
-=- Is there really such a
thing as 'educational neglect/abuse ??' that people can report to the
Child Welfare Agency? -=-
Sure there is. If they define it, it exists for them, and if they have
authority they can exercise that authority.
-=- And if so, where can I read more about this?-=-
Go to google.com and look up some of those terms and your state's name.
It's not about how people learn, so it's not a good topic for this list.
Unschooling IS homeschooling. We can't get away from that. When we're home
in a place where there are compulsory attendance laws, we had better know what
law or exception is enabling us to be home. As there are people here from
all over the English-speaking world, I'm not interested in talking about the
umpty-dozen jurisdictions and their differences. Local or regional lists would
be better for that.
Sandra
Holly Furgason
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
Not necessarily in Texas. There is a comp ed law but it only
pertains to those children enrolled in public school. There is no
oversight at all of private schools or homeschooling. As such it has
been argued that TX doesn't really have a comp ed law- by the
Democratic party no less.
that they can't change it at some time but right now CPS cannot asked
to see curriculum or homeschool work as part of an ivestigation.
They don't bother telling parents that though. Once the child is in
the system for other reasons, they can order any type testing or
evaluation that they want and put the child in school.
It's the same with vaccinations. They can't accuse you of neglect if
you don't have them because the law doesn't require them except to go
to public school but the first thing they'll do after they've taken
custody is get them to a Dr. and give them to them.
Holly (wife of a CPS worker V)
2 COOL 4 SCHOOL
Unschooling t-shirts and more!
http://www.cafepress.com/2cool4school
> Every state has compulsory education laws, so a resident childexists.
Not necessarily in Texas. There is a comp ed law but it only
pertains to those children enrolled in public school. There is no
oversight at all of private schools or homeschooling. As such it has
been argued that TX doesn't really have a comp ed law- by the
Democratic party no less.
> -=- Is there really such athe
>
> thing as 'educational neglect/abuse ??' that people can report to
>There isn't any educational neglect in Texas. That doesn't mean that
> Child Welfare Agency? -=-
that they can't change it at some time but right now CPS cannot asked
to see curriculum or homeschool work as part of an ivestigation.
They don't bother telling parents that though. Once the child is in
the system for other reasons, they can order any type testing or
evaluation that they want and put the child in school.
It's the same with vaccinations. They can't accuse you of neglect if
you don't have them because the law doesn't require them except to go
to public school but the first thing they'll do after they've taken
custody is get them to a Dr. and give them to them.
Holly (wife of a CPS worker V)
2 COOL 4 SCHOOL
Unschooling t-shirts and more!
http://www.cafepress.com/2cool4school
jenneferh2000
Interesting...I wonder if this is how a child becomes a 'resident
child' as Sandra Dodd referred to. Therefore, if someone has a home
birth and never is issued a birth certificate, it seems like it would
just be hard to put the child on a map. (Of course we do have social
security cards for our children.)
I was skimming a new book in the library called something like, Who's
Teaching Our Children written by two women whose names I can't
recall. Anyhow, they had a short chapter on homeschooling, and it
mentioned how federally funded schools get so much money per child
enrolled, and I wonder if homeschoolers have to go through so much
red tape because the states would really rather the child be in
school so they can get more money for their schools. (I.E. they are
concerned more with money than the child's actual quality of
education.)
-Jennefer
child' as Sandra Dodd referred to. Therefore, if someone has a home
birth and never is issued a birth certificate, it seems like it would
just be hard to put the child on a map. (Of course we do have social
security cards for our children.)
I was skimming a new book in the library called something like, Who's
Teaching Our Children written by two women whose names I can't
recall. Anyhow, they had a short chapter on homeschooling, and it
mentioned how federally funded schools get so much money per child
enrolled, and I wonder if homeschoolers have to go through so much
red tape because the states would really rather the child be in
school so they can get more money for their schools. (I.E. they are
concerned more with money than the child's actual quality of
education.)
-Jennefer
> presumably they collect
> birth data from the hospitals or the state from whom the birth
> certificate was issued.
>I'm sure there are states where it's easier to stay off the
> radar
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/30/04 3:04:18 AM, jenneferh2000@... writes:
<< Therefore, if someone has a home
birth and never is issued a birth certificate, it seems like it would
just be hard to put the child on a map. >>
Santa Fe was FULL of unregistered births in the 70's and 80's and I know some
of these now-30's, 20's people. If there are eye witnesses to the birth,
they can apply for a birth certificate. With that, they can get a passport.
One batch did that and went to play streetfairs in Europe (a
juggling/magic/stiltdancing family). One single wasn't able to do it well enough or quick
enough, and missed a trip to where his European relatives lived (one of the new
republics I don't have the names of yet; his name is Bela, so that neighborhood).
Had to let a ticket to Europe go for no passport. Bummer.
-=-Anyhow, they had a short chapter on homeschooling, and it
mentioned how federally funded schools get so much money per child
enrolled, and I wonder if homeschoolers have to go through so much
red tape because the states would really rather the child be in
school so they can get more money for their schools. -=-
Absolutely.
I wish they would just change the funding so that the schools got money by
population, not enrollment. Then, though, they'd probably be trying to keep
homeschoolers OUT so the money would go farther. That would be a fine sight to
see. Then people would really see what they were thinking. <g>
Sandra
<< Therefore, if someone has a home
birth and never is issued a birth certificate, it seems like it would
just be hard to put the child on a map. >>
Santa Fe was FULL of unregistered births in the 70's and 80's and I know some
of these now-30's, 20's people. If there are eye witnesses to the birth,
they can apply for a birth certificate. With that, they can get a passport.
One batch did that and went to play streetfairs in Europe (a
juggling/magic/stiltdancing family). One single wasn't able to do it well enough or quick
enough, and missed a trip to where his European relatives lived (one of the new
republics I don't have the names of yet; his name is Bela, so that neighborhood).
Had to let a ticket to Europe go for no passport. Bummer.
-=-Anyhow, they had a short chapter on homeschooling, and it
mentioned how federally funded schools get so much money per child
enrolled, and I wonder if homeschoolers have to go through so much
red tape because the states would really rather the child be in
school so they can get more money for their schools. -=-
Absolutely.
I wish they would just change the funding so that the schools got money by
population, not enrollment. Then, though, they'd probably be trying to keep
homeschoolers OUT so the money would go farther. That would be a fine sight to
see. Then people would really see what they were thinking. <g>
Sandra
Kiersten Pasciak
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
child on a map. >>
In Ohio, at least (and I am assuming the whole U.S. because S.S. is
a federal program), you must apply for a birth certificate in order
to get a Social Security number. I had Emma at home and my husband,
J., signed the paperwork as the person who delivered her, witness to
the birth, and father.
(3 midwives were there for the delivery, but it is standard for them
to list the dad :)
Without the birth certificate, we could not get a Social Security
number and we wanted it for tax and benefit purposes.
I suppose if you were not interested in being in the system, it is
NOT a legal requirement to have a S.S. number.
It would definitely make many things harder.
It took me months to get Emma covered (in writing) for health
insurance while I spoke to person after person who couldn't figure
out what the procedure should be for someone born at home not yet
issued a S.S. number. And then trying to schedule her well checks
without proof of insurance, but not willing to pay, was fun too!
Good thing my kids are sooooooo worth it :)
Kiersten
>birth certificate, it seems like it would just be hard to put the
> In a message dated 9/30/04 3:04:18 AM, jenneferh2000@y... writes:
>
> << Therefore, if someone has a home birth and never is issued a
child on a map. >>
In Ohio, at least (and I am assuming the whole U.S. because S.S. is
a federal program), you must apply for a birth certificate in order
to get a Social Security number. I had Emma at home and my husband,
J., signed the paperwork as the person who delivered her, witness to
the birth, and father.
(3 midwives were there for the delivery, but it is standard for them
to list the dad :)
Without the birth certificate, we could not get a Social Security
number and we wanted it for tax and benefit purposes.
I suppose if you were not interested in being in the system, it is
NOT a legal requirement to have a S.S. number.
It would definitely make many things harder.
It took me months to get Emma covered (in writing) for health
insurance while I spoke to person after person who couldn't figure
out what the procedure should be for someone born at home not yet
issued a S.S. number. And then trying to schedule her well checks
without proof of insurance, but not willing to pay, was fun too!
Good thing my kids are sooooooo worth it :)
Kiersten