Mythology expert anyone??
Ali Kat
DD has been describing dreams lately that are quite interesting. Mainly, I find them fascinating because they are eerily similar to dreams that I had as a child. Anyway, we began discussing mythology and such, and I was wondering if there isn't some kind of myth revolving around a central part of the dreams.
Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that there were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to start to find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to write a story based on the dream/myth.
Thanks!
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Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that there were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to start to find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to write a story based on the dream/myth.
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KJoy!
The only thing that came to mind was in the Narnia series
by C.S. Lewis, there were underground dwellers.
I believe it was in the 6th or 7th book.
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by C.S. Lewis, there were underground dwellers.
I believe it was in the 6th or 7th book.
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From: Ali Kat
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Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that there were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to start to find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to write a story based on the dream/myth.
Thanks!
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In a message dated 9/25/2004 11:12:30 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
sweetgypsiedncer@... writes:
Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that there
were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to start to
find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to write a
story based on the dream/myth.
----------
Dwarves maybe? Northern European Germanic motif in stories.
There are dream interpretation sites online, I think. Lists of dream
elements.
You might already know this term, but Jung wrote about "the collective
unconscious," the kinds of characters and stories all people just seem to have in
their imaginations.
Sandra
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sweetgypsiedncer@... writes:
Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that there
were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to start to
find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to write a
story based on the dream/myth.
----------
Dwarves maybe? Northern European Germanic motif in stories.
There are dream interpretation sites online, I think. Lists of dream
elements.
You might already know this term, but Jung wrote about "the collective
unconscious," the kinds of characters and stories all people just seem to have in
their imaginations.
Sandra
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Lars Hedbor
There appear to be some underground dwellers in Norse mythology,
primarily dwarves and dark-elves. Too, one of the realms of the gods
is seen as being underground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology
That's the only reference I was able to find to underground-dwelling
creatures. The Hawai'ian menehune may also have dwelt underground,
but I couldn't find a definitive source there.
- Lars D. H. Hedbor
Oregon City, Oregon
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:12:10 -0700 (PDT), Ali Kat
<sweetgypsiedncer@...> wrote:
primarily dwarves and dark-elves. Too, one of the realms of the gods
is seen as being underground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology
That's the only reference I was able to find to underground-dwelling
creatures. The Hawai'ian menehune may also have dwelt underground,
but I couldn't find a definitive source there.
- Lars D. H. Hedbor
Oregon City, Oregon
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:12:10 -0700 (PDT), Ali Kat
<sweetgypsiedncer@...> wrote:
>
> DD has been describing dreams lately that are quite interesting. Mainly, I find them fascinating because they are eerily similar to dreams that I had as a child. Anyway, we began discussing mythology and such, and I was wondering if there isn't some kind of myth revolving around a central part of the dreams.
>
> Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that there were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to start to find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to write a story based on the dream/myth.
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> Thanks!
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<<<< Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that
there were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to
start to find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to
write a story based on the dream/myth. >>>>
Irish and other Celtic folk tales often involve faerie folk who live
underground. "Kate Crackernuts" (I think Scottish) is a variation on the
Dancing Princesses (who wear out their shoes every night) story, about a
prince who goes to dance every night underground and is slowly wasting away
from exhaustion. Also the Pied Piper takes the children to live in an
underground cave that then closes on them after the townspeople refuse to
pay.
Ancient Greeks had Hades as an underground realm, an idea that spread to the
Romans. See the story of Demeter.
More modern - "The Silver Chair" (Narnia) CS Lewis; John Wyndham writing as
John Beynon has a short story about an underground culture; "The Time
Machine" HG Wells; Artemis Fowl stories.
I'm sure there are tons more, but I can’t think of them off the top of my
head.
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there were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to
start to find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to
write a story based on the dream/myth. >>>>
Irish and other Celtic folk tales often involve faerie folk who live
underground. "Kate Crackernuts" (I think Scottish) is a variation on the
Dancing Princesses (who wear out their shoes every night) story, about a
prince who goes to dance every night underground and is slowly wasting away
from exhaustion. Also the Pied Piper takes the children to live in an
underground cave that then closes on them after the townspeople refuse to
pay.
Ancient Greeks had Hades as an underground realm, an idea that spread to the
Romans. See the story of Demeter.
More modern - "The Silver Chair" (Narnia) CS Lewis; John Wyndham writing as
John Beynon has a short story about an underground culture; "The Time
Machine" HG Wells; Artemis Fowl stories.
I'm sure there are tons more, but I can’t think of them off the top of my
head.
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In a message dated 9/25/2004 11:12:30 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
sweetgypsiedncer@... writes:
Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that there
were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to start to
find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to write a
story based on the dream/myth.
----------
The Tuatha de Danaan were believed to live underground and have entrances into their underworld. They were the people who were reputed to have inhabited the British Isle before the Celts (ahem). They were said to be small and dark haired.
Legends put entrances to the world of the Sidhe underground but theyn I think it opens up so not *real* underground.
Then there's the myth of the hollow earth. It's appeared in various cultures and if you plotted all the 'entrances' the earth would look like swiss cheese.
There's a whole bunch of legends about the Tuatha de. If I was more awake I'd send links, but I'm not and the kids are calling for breakfast.
Shyrley, hope that helps
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sweetgypsiedncer@... writes:
Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that there
were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to start to
find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to write a
story based on the dream/myth.
----------
The Tuatha de Danaan were believed to live underground and have entrances into their underworld. They were the people who were reputed to have inhabited the British Isle before the Celts (ahem). They were said to be small and dark haired.
Legends put entrances to the world of the Sidhe underground but theyn I think it opens up so not *real* underground.
Then there's the myth of the hollow earth. It's appeared in various cultures and if you plotted all the 'entrances' the earth would look like swiss cheese.
There's a whole bunch of legends about the Tuatha de. If I was more awake I'd send links, but I'm not and the kids are calling for breakfast.
Shyrley, hope that helps
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Schuyler Waynforth
Navaho cosmology has all beings coming through from worlds that were
at different levels underground. A not very readable site is here
http://www.meta-
religion.com/World_Religions/Ancient_religions/North_america/navaho_co
smogony.htm or a slightly better site here
http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/nam/navaho.html.
Here's a site about subterranean myths (I didn't read it very
thoroughly)
http://home.earthlink.net/~mottimorph/SubterraneanIntro2.html.
And there are subterranean folk in Norwegian mythology, this site has
a review of the different types of folk tale and the characters that
make up those folk tales: http://www.feri.com/dawn/Feritails.html.
Interestingly they suggest that subterranean creatures where the
children who Eve hid from God. When God discovered they existed he
said that those who once hid should stay hidden.
Hope that helps.
Schuyler
--- In [email protected], Ali Kat
<sweetgypsiedncer@y...> wrote:
dreams that I had as a child. Anyway, we began discussing mythology
and such, and I was wondering if there isn't some kind of myth
revolving around a central part of the dreams.
know where to start to find the answer. We'd like to know so we can
research further to write a story based on the dream/myth.
at different levels underground. A not very readable site is here
http://www.meta-
religion.com/World_Religions/Ancient_religions/North_america/navaho_co
smogony.htm or a slightly better site here
http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/nam/navaho.html.
Here's a site about subterranean myths (I didn't read it very
thoroughly)
http://home.earthlink.net/~mottimorph/SubterraneanIntro2.html.
And there are subterranean folk in Norwegian mythology, this site has
a review of the different types of folk tale and the characters that
make up those folk tales: http://www.feri.com/dawn/Feritails.html.
Interestingly they suggest that subterranean creatures where the
children who Eve hid from God. When God discovered they existed he
said that those who once hid should stay hidden.
Hope that helps.
Schuyler
--- In [email protected], Ali Kat
<sweetgypsiedncer@y...> wrote:
>Mainly, I find them fascinating because they are eerily similar to
> DD has been describing dreams lately that are quite interesting.
dreams that I had as a child. Anyway, we began discussing mythology
and such, and I was wondering if there isn't some kind of myth
revolving around a central part of the dreams.
>that there were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even
> Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed
know where to start to find the answer. We'd like to know so we can
research further to write a story based on the dream/myth.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Kris
The hard rock miners from Cornwall who worked the mines in Grass Valley,
California had a legend of a dwarf-like creature who would lead them to gold
deposits in return for food. The food of legend was the pastie (meat pie,
like a Hot Pocket) and the creatures would mark or knock on the walls to
show the way.
Kris
California had a legend of a dwarf-like creature who would lead them to gold
deposits in return for food. The food of legend was the pastie (meat pie,
like a Hot Pocket) and the creatures would mark or knock on the walls to
show the way.
Kris
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From: "SHYRLEY WILLIAMS" <shyrley.williams@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Mythology expert anyone??
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/25/2004 11:12:30 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> sweetgypsiedncer@... writes:
> Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed that
there
> were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know where to
start to
> find the answer. We'd like to know so we can research further to write a
> story based on the dream/myth.
> ----------
>
> The Tuatha de Danaan were believed to live underground and have entrances
into their underworld. They were the people who were reputed to have
inhabited the British Isle before the Celts (ahem). They were said to be
small and dark haired.
>
> Legends put entrances to the world of the Sidhe underground but theyn I
think it opens up so not *real* underground.
>
> Then there's the myth of the hollow earth. It's appeared in various
cultures and if you plotted all the 'entrances' the earth would look like
swiss cheese.
>
> There's a whole bunch of legends about the Tuatha de. If I was more awake
I'd send links, but I'm not and the kids are calling for breakfast.
>
> Shyrley, hope that helps
julie w
Ali Kat wrote:
London and the folks/society there.
Nice read.
So is pretty much anything he's written.
BTW, Hi all. New here.
Julie in AR
> Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believed thatNo, but Neil Gaiman wrote a fabulous book "Neverwhere" about underground
> there were beings/people who lived underground? I don't even know
> where to start to find the answer. We'd like to know so we can
> research further to write a story based on the dream/myth.
>
London and the folks/society there.
Nice read.
So is pretty much anything he's written.
BTW, Hi all. New here.
Julie in AR
pam sorooshian
Hi Julie!!!
Roxana (my 17 yo) adds to your Neil Gaiman recommendation - says
anybody who hasn't read him is really missing out!!! (Probably that is
a pointed comment directed at ME, because I have yet to read anything
by him.)
-pam
Roxana (my 17 yo) adds to your Neil Gaiman recommendation - says
anybody who hasn't read him is really missing out!!! (Probably that is
a pointed comment directed at ME, because I have yet to read anything
by him.)
-pam
On Sep 26, 2004, at 9:32 PM, julie w wrote:
> No, but Neil Gaiman wrote a fabulous book "Neverwhere" about
> underground
> London and the folks/society there.
> Nice read.
> So is pretty much anything he's written.
> BTW, Hi all. New here.
>
> Julie in AR
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Celtic mythology
http://www.av.qnet.com/~raven/myths2.html#Tuatha%20story
The Fey/faeries/fair folk/or as we know them, fairies.
They supposedly had/have(?) their own world in mounds,influenced
human dreams, induced trances, and would sometimes kidnap babies, or
even adults. They are mentioned in some of the arthurian legends.
http://teacher.scholastic.com/writewit/mff/ scholastics site for
myths and writing stories about them.
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/folktexts.html IF you scroll down to "f"
there are a few stories about fairies.
http://www.fairiesworld.com/myths-mythology/fairycircles.shtml
More than you ever wanted to know about them. LOL
There are simlilar stories in native cultures in north and south
america and africa , but I couldn't find those. The celtic ones are
the ones I know the best since I was raised on some of their stories
from infancy, LOL.
HTH
nisha
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<sweetgypsiedncer@y...> wrote:
http://www.av.qnet.com/~raven/myths2.html#Tuatha%20story
The Fey/faeries/fair folk/or as we know them, fairies.
They supposedly had/have(?) their own world in mounds,influenced
human dreams, induced trances, and would sometimes kidnap babies, or
even adults. They are mentioned in some of the arthurian legends.
http://teacher.scholastic.com/writewit/mff/ scholastics site for
myths and writing stories about them.
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/folktexts.html IF you scroll down to "f"
there are a few stories about fairies.
http://www.fairiesworld.com/myths-mythology/fairycircles.shtml
More than you ever wanted to know about them. LOL
There are simlilar stories in native cultures in north and south
america and africa , but I couldn't find those. The celtic ones are
the ones I know the best since I was raised on some of their stories
from infancy, LOL.
HTH
nisha
--- In [email protected], Ali Kat
<sweetgypsiedncer@y...> wrote:
> Basically, does anyone know of a myth or a culture that believedthat there were beings/people who lived underground?
julie w
Hi Pam, long time no read.
Good Lord Woman! Get thee to the library and worship the writing God
that is Neil.
Sorry, just had a fangirl moment.
Something about him just engenders obsession. It could be because,
besides being just one of the best authors writing today, he's also
extremely open to his fans and other writers.
Likes his editor which is always a plus in my book....I know a few
authors I really like who seem to think they have no need for an
editor...coughJKRowlingcoughcoughAnne Ricecoughcough.
He even keeps an online journal.
Plus I really dig someone who can:
produce the best comic ever written (Sandman) along with 4 or 5 other series
write great little kids books(Wolves in the Walls)
give me nightmares from a children's book (Coraline)
write adult novels that are just different (American Gods, Neverwhere)
rewrite a fairy tale (Snow Glass Apples, which is online to be read just
search for it) in such a way that it turns into a horror short story.
This post makes me wonder about other things.
Do you censor (and I mean in the larger you not just Pam) what your kids
read? Ds (12) is still not a fluent reader so the comics I read
(Sandman, Hellblazer, ect) are what he wants to look at (though I do get
the Marvel/DC ones for kids) and have me help him along.
I'm perfectly happy to do that.
But these really are ADULT comics. Gory, violent, explicitly sexual in
places and I find myself wanting to just give him a summery of some
story arcs and move on, but that makes me feel as if I'm depriving him
of the whole of the story.
Any thoughts?
This brings me to another thought. What are you folks reading? I always
like to see what out there that I'm missing. Right now I'm reading:
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell: a monster (800 pages) of a book by
Susanna Clark. If you like Jane Austin, magic and magicians, fantasy and
history this is just a great book. I loved and am reading it a second time.
Light: M. John Harrison...I've just started this
The Scar: China Mieville...I'm a little ways into this and its shaping
up to be a nice fantasy/mystery type of book.
Julie W in AR
pam sorooshian wrote:
Good Lord Woman! Get thee to the library and worship the writing God
that is Neil.
Sorry, just had a fangirl moment.
Something about him just engenders obsession. It could be because,
besides being just one of the best authors writing today, he's also
extremely open to his fans and other writers.
Likes his editor which is always a plus in my book....I know a few
authors I really like who seem to think they have no need for an
editor...coughJKRowlingcoughcoughAnne Ricecoughcough.
He even keeps an online journal.
Plus I really dig someone who can:
produce the best comic ever written (Sandman) along with 4 or 5 other series
write great little kids books(Wolves in the Walls)
give me nightmares from a children's book (Coraline)
write adult novels that are just different (American Gods, Neverwhere)
rewrite a fairy tale (Snow Glass Apples, which is online to be read just
search for it) in such a way that it turns into a horror short story.
This post makes me wonder about other things.
Do you censor (and I mean in the larger you not just Pam) what your kids
read? Ds (12) is still not a fluent reader so the comics I read
(Sandman, Hellblazer, ect) are what he wants to look at (though I do get
the Marvel/DC ones for kids) and have me help him along.
I'm perfectly happy to do that.
But these really are ADULT comics. Gory, violent, explicitly sexual in
places and I find myself wanting to just give him a summery of some
story arcs and move on, but that makes me feel as if I'm depriving him
of the whole of the story.
Any thoughts?
This brings me to another thought. What are you folks reading? I always
like to see what out there that I'm missing. Right now I'm reading:
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell: a monster (800 pages) of a book by
Susanna Clark. If you like Jane Austin, magic and magicians, fantasy and
history this is just a great book. I loved and am reading it a second time.
Light: M. John Harrison...I've just started this
The Scar: China Mieville...I'm a little ways into this and its shaping
up to be a nice fantasy/mystery type of book.
Julie W in AR
pam sorooshian wrote:
> Hi Julie!!![Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Roxana (my 17 yo) adds to your Neil Gaiman recommendation - says
> anybody who hasn't read him is really missing out!!! (Probably that is
> a pointed comment directed at ME, because I have yet to read anything
> by him.)
>
> -pam
>
> On Sep 26, 2004, at 9:32 PM, julie w wrote:
>
> > No, but Neil Gaiman wrote a fabulous book "Neverwhere" about
> > underground
> > London and the folks/society there.
> > Nice read.
> > So is pretty much anything he's written.
> > BTW, Hi all. New here.
> >
> > Julie in AR
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diana jenner
Oh, Oh, Oh, How could you miss out on Neil?? He's cute AND an amazing
imagination <bwg> American Gods is one of my favorite books! check out
neilgaiman.com
~diana :-D
imagination <bwg> American Gods is one of my favorite books! check out
neilgaiman.com
~diana :-D
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From: "pam sorooshian" <pamsoroosh@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Mythology expert anyone??
> Hi Julie!!!
>
> Roxana (my 17 yo) adds to your Neil Gaiman recommendation - says
> anybody who hasn't read him is really missing out!!! (Probably that is
> a pointed comment directed at ME, because I have yet to read anything
> by him.)
>
> -pam
>
> On Sep 26, 2004, at 9:32 PM, julie w wrote:
>
> > No, but Neil Gaiman wrote a fabulous book "Neverwhere" about
> > underground
> > London and the folks/society there.
> > Nice read.
> > So is pretty much anything he's written.
> > BTW, Hi all. New here.
> >
> > Julie in AR
> >
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diana jenner wrote:
lovely english accent, I had tried to avoid the obvious and superficial
reasons that I would squee! if I ever really met him.
Someday I will be able to make a comic convention where he is or maybe
when his next book comes out he'll come to the wild's of Arkansas for a
reading.
I can dream, can't I?
Julie W in AR
> Oh, Oh, Oh, How could you miss out on Neil?? He's cute AND an amazingNow see, there ya go and have to mention the cuteness of Neil and that
> imagination <bwg> American Gods is one of my favorite books! check out
> neilgaiman.com
> ~diana :-D
lovely english accent, I had tried to avoid the obvious and superficial
reasons that I would squee! if I ever really met him.
Someday I will be able to make a comic convention where he is or maybe
when his next book comes out he'll come to the wild's of Arkansas for a
reading.
I can dream, can't I?
Julie W in AR
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In a message dated 9/27/04 10:04:39 AM, jjjwoolfolk@... writes:
<< Something about him just engenders obsession. >>
aDICKtion?
<<Do you censor (and I mean in the larger you not just Pam) what your kids
read? >>
We don't.
<<But these really are ADULT comics. Gory, violent, explicitly sexual in
places and I find myself wanting to just give him a summery of some
story arcs and move on, but that makes me feel as if I'm depriving him
of the whole of the story.>>
Sexually suggestive comics our kids went through a few years ago: Elfquest.
They discovered them somewhere else, and were overjoyed to find their dad had
the whole set up to the point he/dad had quit collecting. They added a few
more recent ones and read through it all.
Sandra
<< Something about him just engenders obsession. >>
aDICKtion?
<<Do you censor (and I mean in the larger you not just Pam) what your kids
read? >>
We don't.
<<But these really are ADULT comics. Gory, violent, explicitly sexual in
places and I find myself wanting to just give him a summery of some
story arcs and move on, but that makes me feel as if I'm depriving him
of the whole of the story.>>
Sexually suggestive comics our kids went through a few years ago: Elfquest.
They discovered them somewhere else, and were overjoyed to find their dad had
the whole set up to the point he/dad had quit collecting. They added a few
more recent ones and read through it all.
Sandra
pam sorooshian
On Sep 27, 2004, at 7:23 AM, julie w wrote:
with KNOWING what they're reading, long ago, because they check out
their own books from the library and buy their own books from the
bookstore - if I was checking up on them and tut-tutting some choices,
that would just be an incentive for them to be sneaky about what they
read.
So - Rox has always read things that would give me nightmares, I know
that. But she's always been one to handle stuff like that better than
I do.
Reading out loud - if the kid is maintaining interest, I guess I'd just
go on and read it. But I know it would be hard for me, too, and I
understand the temptation to "summarize." Still, he could say so if it
bothered him, so if he didn't stop me, I'd figure he was learning
something he wanted to learn.
-pam
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> This post makes me wonder about other things.I don't censor what they read at all. Gave up even trying to keep up
> Do you censor (and I mean in the larger you not just Pam) what your
> kids
> read?
with KNOWING what they're reading, long ago, because they check out
their own books from the library and buy their own books from the
bookstore - if I was checking up on them and tut-tutting some choices,
that would just be an incentive for them to be sneaky about what they
read.
So - Rox has always read things that would give me nightmares, I know
that. But she's always been one to handle stuff like that better than
I do.
Reading out loud - if the kid is maintaining interest, I guess I'd just
go on and read it. But I know it would be hard for me, too, and I
understand the temptation to "summarize." Still, he could say so if it
bothered him, so if he didn't stop me, I'd figure he was learning
something he wanted to learn.
-pam
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pam sorooshian
On Sep 27, 2004, at 7:23 AM, julie w wrote:
have to admit that I'm on Book SIX (out of seven) of the Dark Tower
series by Stephen King. (Does this tie in with the thread on addiction?
<g>). It isn't "horror" like other Stephen King books, from what I
understand, but it has its moments of creepy scary gory stuff.
I listen to books - download them from Audible.com - because my eyes
are easily weakened and I choose to use the time I can read for reading
email lists - not books. It took me a while to get used to listening
and not reading - it wasn't a comfortable way for me to use a book -
but now I love it. I take my little mp3 player with a book loaded in
it everywhere I go, it is always in my pocket or purse. And I've
realized that listening, rather than reading myself, prevents me from
"skimming" (which is probably a habit learned from being a perpetual
graduate student and having to read FAR too much material - never able
to take the time to really savor anything) and so I'm enjoying the
books more than I would have - and because there are some really GREAT
readers out there.
Of books I've listened to relatively recently - my favorite two were
"The Painted House" by John Grisham and "The Secret Life of Bees" by
Sue Monk Kidd.
Oh - and the entire "Enders Game" and "Enders Shadow" series - those
were wonderful.
-pam
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> This brings me to another thought. What are you folks reading?HA - after just writing that I don't read the kind of stuff Rox does, I
have to admit that I'm on Book SIX (out of seven) of the Dark Tower
series by Stephen King. (Does this tie in with the thread on addiction?
<g>). It isn't "horror" like other Stephen King books, from what I
understand, but it has its moments of creepy scary gory stuff.
I listen to books - download them from Audible.com - because my eyes
are easily weakened and I choose to use the time I can read for reading
email lists - not books. It took me a while to get used to listening
and not reading - it wasn't a comfortable way for me to use a book -
but now I love it. I take my little mp3 player with a book loaded in
it everywhere I go, it is always in my pocket or purse. And I've
realized that listening, rather than reading myself, prevents me from
"skimming" (which is probably a habit learned from being a perpetual
graduate student and having to read FAR too much material - never able
to take the time to really savor anything) and so I'm enjoying the
books more than I would have - and because there are some really GREAT
readers out there.
Of books I've listened to relatively recently - my favorite two were
"The Painted House" by John Grisham and "The Secret Life of Bees" by
Sue Monk Kidd.
Oh - and the entire "Enders Game" and "Enders Shadow" series - those
were wonderful.
-pam
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In a message dated 9/27/04 11:56:40 AM, pamsoroosh@... writes:
<< And I've
realized that listening, rather than reading myself, prevents me from
"skimming" (which is probably a habit learned from being a perpetual
graduate student and having to read FAR too much material - never able
to take the time to really savor anything) and so I'm enjoying the
books more than I would have - and because there are some really GREAT
readers out there.
racing along and missing the really pretty phrases and details and jokes.
I'm reading Nicholas Nickleby which is taking a long time because it's long
and I only read in bed at night or when I'm in a waiting room or something.
But when it was written it was mailed in installments (kind of like some recent
Stephen King stuff, like The Green Mile), and it took them a year to read it,
so I'm not really behind schedule. <g> It was a soap opera. So reading that
is kind of like my kids watching Season I of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Sandra
<< And I've
realized that listening, rather than reading myself, prevents me from
"skimming" (which is probably a habit learned from being a perpetual
graduate student and having to read FAR too much material - never able
to take the time to really savor anything) and so I'm enjoying the
books more than I would have - and because there are some really GREAT
readers out there.
>>I used to read fast and forced myself to read much more slowly, because I was
racing along and missing the really pretty phrases and details and jokes.
I'm reading Nicholas Nickleby which is taking a long time because it's long
and I only read in bed at night or when I'm in a waiting room or something.
But when it was written it was mailed in installments (kind of like some recent
Stephen King stuff, like The Green Mile), and it took them a year to read it,
so I'm not really behind schedule. <g> It was a soap opera. So reading that
is kind of like my kids watching Season I of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Sandra
julie w
pam sorooshian wrote:
I go though fast and if it was a good read then I go though a 2nd time
and savor the details.
Julie
> realized that listening, rather than reading myself, prevents me fromI've always been a skimmer.
> "skimming" (which is probably a habit learned from being a perpetual
> graduate student and having to read FAR too much material - never able
> to take the time to really savor anything) and so I'm enjoying the
> books more than I would have - and because there are some really GREAT
> readers out there.
>
I go though fast and if it was a good read then I go though a 2nd time
and savor the details.
Julie
diana jenner
The same author of "Enders..." wrote one of my other favs ~ Pastwatch: The
Redemption of Christopher Columbus, a great spin on both future and history.
I just finished The DaVinci Code, which I loved and now I'm on a quest to
read "Sacred Chalice, Sacred Blade" but it's not available thru my local
library :( So instead I got the new Janet Evanovich mystery, quick, easy
and entertaining! While I was at the library, I reserved Teenage Liberation
so I can strew it for David ;)
~diana :)
Redemption of Christopher Columbus, a great spin on both future and history.
I just finished The DaVinci Code, which I loved and now I'm on a quest to
read "Sacred Chalice, Sacred Blade" but it's not available thru my local
library :( So instead I got the new Janet Evanovich mystery, quick, easy
and entertaining! While I was at the library, I reserved Teenage Liberation
so I can strew it for David ;)
~diana :)
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On Sep 27, 2004, at 7:23 AM, julie w wrote:
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> > This brings me to another thought. What are you folks reading?
>
> Oh - and the entire "Enders Game" and "Enders Shadow" series - those
> were wonderful.
>
> -pam
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Ahhh - Orson Scott Card ~ one of my favorite authors! I agree ~ the whole Ender series was just wonderful (and hasn't ended yet!). He also wrote the "Alvin Maker" series, "Enchanted" & so much more. Another good read in the Sci-Fi arena is "Lucifer's Hammer" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.
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In a message dated 9/27/2004 8:49:51 PM Central Standard Time,
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Another good read in the Sci-Fi arena is "Lucifer's Hammer" by Larry Niven
and Jerry Pournelle.
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I also like Sherri Tepper. Currently reading _Gibbons Decline and Fall_.
It's just close enough to reality to give me the shivers.
Karen
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tessags@... writes:
Another good read in the Sci-Fi arena is "Lucifer's Hammer" by Larry Niven
and Jerry Pournelle.
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I also like Sherri Tepper. Currently reading _Gibbons Decline and Fall_.
It's just close enough to reality to give me the shivers.
Karen
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Sue Monk Kidd<<
*************
I'm an avid book on tape fan. "To Kill a Mockingbird" on tape is wonderful,
the reader has a beautiful southern drawl and does a different "voice" for
each character. Another I REALLY liked on tape was "Memoirs of a Geisha."
Awesome,...very historically educational but really entertaining too. The
Harry Potter books on tape a real "productions" ..the reader is WONDERFUL.
Nancy B.
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
>>Of books I've listened to relatively recently - my favorite two were"The Painted House" by John Grisham and "The Secret Life of Bees" by
Sue Monk Kidd<<
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I'm an avid book on tape fan. "To Kill a Mockingbird" on tape is wonderful,
the reader has a beautiful southern drawl and does a different "voice" for
each character. Another I REALLY liked on tape was "Memoirs of a Geisha."
Awesome,...very historically educational but really entertaining too. The
Harry Potter books on tape a real "productions" ..the reader is WONDERFUL.
Nancy B.
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julie w
CelticFrau@... wrote:
to hear Stephen Fry read them. A treat indeed.
Julie W
> TheThey are good, but if you can get ahold of the British versions you get
> Harry Potter books on tape a real "productions" ..the reader is
> WONDERFUL.
to hear Stephen Fry read them. A treat indeed.
Julie W
pam sorooshian
On Sep 28, 2004, at 7:33 PM, CelticFrau@... wrote:
being filmed now - here in Southern California and in Japan.
-pam
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> Another I REALLY liked on tape was "Memoirs of a Geisha."All RIGHT. I already have that, but haven't listened yet. The movie is
being filmed now - here in Southern California and in Japan.
-pam
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