Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] What has feminism done for us?
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On 25 Jun 00, at 10:42, Whyner@... wrote:
and lack of rights that women have had to endure over the ages is
born of religion. When a man can look on a woman as his
property to do with as he pleases and have society tell him that he
is lord and master over her, then women will be used and abused.
Unfortuatley the same can be said of children, to many parents
their children are their property to do with as they please, there is
not enough equal treatment of children either.
I'm not sure exactly what we can thank for the freedoms that we
now enjoy, my Great-grandmother never was a chatel to her
husband, she was a strong woman who always had her say. I
guess she may have been out of the ordinary back then [she was
born in 1876] but she couldn't have been unique. She raised strong
daughters who wouldn't take shit from men and they in turn did the
same. Who knows where it all started, how women finally decided
they weren't going to take it anymore.
Sue
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> in general, women have been deprived of their inalienable rights from theI agree wholeheartedly with that.... unfortunately a lot of the abuse
> beginning of recorded history ... their treatment has been atrocious, imo...
> the UN Declaration of Human Rights needs to be adhered to, imo...
and lack of rights that women have had to endure over the ages is
born of religion. When a man can look on a woman as his
property to do with as he pleases and have society tell him that he
is lord and master over her, then women will be used and abused.
Unfortuatley the same can be said of children, to many parents
their children are their property to do with as they please, there is
not enough equal treatment of children either.
I'm not sure exactly what we can thank for the freedoms that we
now enjoy, my Great-grandmother never was a chatel to her
husband, she was a strong woman who always had her say. I
guess she may have been out of the ordinary back then [she was
born in 1876] but she couldn't have been unique. She raised strong
daughters who wouldn't take shit from men and they in turn did the
same. Who knows where it all started, how women finally decided
they weren't going to take it anymore.
Sue
The Winona Farm in Minnesota Welcomes Unschoolers All Year Round
My website: http://members.xoom.com/sue_m_e
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"To believe in something, and not to live it,
is to be dishonest." -Mahatma Gandhi
Holly Atchison
Personally I like it when a man opens a door for me or raises his
hat as a greeting, however many men are afraid to open doors
because of responses they sometimes encounter "I CAN OPEN
DOORS FOR MYSELF" etc.
When I was in Highschool I had this problem! I would tell my boyfriend that
all the time. He, however still kept trying to be a gentleman and one day
we reached for the door at the same time and I bonked him in the head with
it. poor guy. I now let any man who wishes to open the door for me as I
now understand they are just trying to be polite! LOL
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hat as a greeting, however many men are afraid to open doors
because of responses they sometimes encounter "I CAN OPEN
DOORS FOR MYSELF" etc.
When I was in Highschool I had this problem! I would tell my boyfriend that
all the time. He, however still kept trying to be a gentleman and one day
we reached for the door at the same time and I bonked him in the head with
it. poor guy. I now let any man who wishes to open the door for me as I
now understand they are just trying to be polite! LOL
>From: sue.m.e@...________________________________________________________________________
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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] What has feminism done for us?
>Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:14:41 +0000
>
>On 24 Jun 00, at 22:36, Lynda wrote:
>
> > O.K., this is an serious, honest question and not an attempt to start
>any
> > war. I would really like to hear exactly what it is folks think
>feminism
> > has gotten for us. Rowe vs. Wade was not the result of feminism, we
>don't
> > have equal pay for equal work, so exactly what have we gained?
> >
> > Lynda, who will now jump into her flame proof suit %-}
> >
> > ----------
>Good question Lynda....
>
>I think feminism has turned a lot of women into pseudo--men, in
>trying to be equal some women have denigrated what is was to be
>a woman. Why they felt the need to be equal [except along the
>lines of equal pay for equal work] is beyond me, why strive to be
>what you are not, men and women are not equal, they are different.
> Personally I like it when a man opens a door for me or raises his
>hat as a greeting, however many men are afraid to open doors
>because of responses they sometimes encounter "I CAN OPEN
>DOORS FOR MYSELF" etc.
>
>I personally can't think of any real good that has come from the
>feminism movement. I'm talking 60s here, as it was earlier
>feminists that gained the vote for women and the acceptance of
>women wearing trousers they were good things. But on the down
>side the feminist movement has made women say such things as
>"I'm ONLY a housewife" with shame instead of the pride women
>once felt in their role as wife and Mother.
>
>Men and women are different and thank Mother Nature for that
>difference! I can work as hard and as long as many men,
>especially since I can wear jeans and not be restricted by the type
>of garment I am wearing, but it sure feels good when working hard
>to have a pair of strong male arms there to help out with the real
>heavy stuff. Most men are physically stronger and larger than
>most women, this is an inescapable fact, a fact which is driven
>home to me each time I work alongside my 15 year old son who
>just two years ago had the body and strength of a child. To see
>the way he can lift things with one arm that I have to fight to move
>with both of mine reinforces that difference.
>
>In most cases the differences between male and female are
>complimentary, our strengths and weaknesses are often at
>opposite ends of the poles, so together can make a good team.
>
>I have been a SAHM Mom for many years, I have worked a few part
>time jobs [tupperware etc] especially in the earlier years. The
>most important thing to me when deciding on what work I could do
>was to ensure that either my Mother or husband would be available
>to look after the children while I was working. This was for little
>extras, my oldest son was really into computers and devoured
>books on the subject long before we had one, so I sold tupperware
>to buy a Commodore 64 for his use. Now I guess I am sort of a
>working Mom, but the big difference is that I work at home so I am
>here if the kids need me, and another big bonus is that they can be
>involved and understand what I do.
>
>Summing up; for me feminism has given me the right to vote and
>wear jeans, however it has taken from me the chance to feel as
>though society values my role, if there is no $ value on it then it
>doesn't seem to have a value.
>
>
> Sue
>
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In a message dated 6/25/00 9:26:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sue.m.e@... writes:
<< Good question Lynda....
I think feminism has turned a lot of women into pseudo--men, in
trying to be equal some women have denigrated what is was to be
a woman. Why they felt the need to be equal [except along the
lines of equal pay for equal work] is beyond me, why strive to be
what you are not, men and women are not equal, they are different.
Personally I like it when a man opens a door for me or raises his
hat as a greeting, however many men are afraid to open doors
because of responses they sometimes encounter "I CAN OPEN
DOORS FOR MYSELF" etc. >>
in general, women have been deprived of their inalienable rights from the
beginning of recorded history ... their treatment has been atrocious, imo...
the UN Declaration of Human Rights needs to be adhered to, imo...
sue.m.e@... writes:
<< Good question Lynda....
I think feminism has turned a lot of women into pseudo--men, in
trying to be equal some women have denigrated what is was to be
a woman. Why they felt the need to be equal [except along the
lines of equal pay for equal work] is beyond me, why strive to be
what you are not, men and women are not equal, they are different.
Personally I like it when a man opens a door for me or raises his
hat as a greeting, however many men are afraid to open doors
because of responses they sometimes encounter "I CAN OPEN
DOORS FOR MYSELF" etc. >>
in general, women have been deprived of their inalienable rights from the
beginning of recorded history ... their treatment has been atrocious, imo...
the UN Declaration of Human Rights needs to be adhered to, imo...