OT: Chicken Pox
jennefer harper
I'm curious, has anyone heard of any adverse
reactions/effects due to the Chicken Pox vaccine?
Someone recently posted:
"Medical people have warned me that they
have seen cases come through their office of children
who have died or
been blinded by severe cases."
I have never heard of anyone dying due to Chicken Pox.
Is there more specific evidence of this?
Also, I have heard of people getting a pox in their
eye which caused temporary blindness, but the quote
above seems to read permanent blindness. Again, is
there a place where this "blindness" is documented?
It's hard for me to take the above statement at face
value without more specifics.
-Jennefer in OR
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reactions/effects due to the Chicken Pox vaccine?
Someone recently posted:
"Medical people have warned me that they
have seen cases come through their office of children
who have died or
been blinded by severe cases."
I have never heard of anyone dying due to Chicken Pox.
Is there more specific evidence of this?
Also, I have heard of people getting a pox in their
eye which caused temporary blindness, but the quote
above seems to read permanent blindness. Again, is
there a place where this "blindness" is documented?
It's hard for me to take the above statement at face
value without more specifics.
-Jennefer in OR
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Mary
From: "jennefer harper" <jenneferh2000@...>
Mary B
http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr091300chickenpox.htm
http://thinktwice.com/cpox.htm
http://whale.to/vaccines/varicella3.html
> It's hard for me to take the above statement at faceThese are just a couple I found in my folder.
> value without more specifics.
Mary B
http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr091300chickenpox.htm
http://thinktwice.com/cpox.htm
http://whale.to/vaccines/varicella3.html
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I went to look, and found this amusing quote:
"Therefore, to say that "death is a complication of chicken pox", is like
saying, "bleeding is a complication of holding a knife in your hand":"
Below it's in context.
And the whole page was here:
http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/17/chicken_pox.htm
The CDC admits that children don't die from chicken pox per se, but rather
"complications" from chicken pox. But what they don't say is that these
complications are all derived from acute blood toxemia established by the very
treatments used by allopathic physicians. So strictly speaking, all children that
die, do so from the allopathic medical treatments that are used to treat the
symptoms that accompany chicken pox. There has never been a recorded death among
the many thousands of children treated Hygienically, and without drugs.
What does the CDC list as the most common complication?
Pneumonia and secondary bacterial infections (caused by the antibiotics).
Other complications, according to the CDC, include encephalitis (inflamed brain
tissue mostly from the antipyretics), hemorrhagic complications (such as
intestinal bleeding, are the most common symptoms of aspirin-an anticoagulant, or
"blood thinner"), hepatitis (congested and inflamed liver caused by the
antipyretics), arthritis (decalcification of bone for the calcium needed to neutralize
acidic blood, mostly caused by the aspirin), and Reye's syndrome (most
commonly associated with giving aspirin to children that have chicken pox or
influenza).
Like aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs, acetaminophen (ie. Tylenol)
will also burden the liver and kidneys and check the vital actions of the body
to discharge waste from the blood. Acetaminophen poisoning is also common
because it throws the chemistry of the liver off. In fact, it is the most common
drug-induced cause of liver failure. It depletes hepatic glutathione, causing
the toxic metabolite NAPQI to fail to conjugate, which leads to hepatic injury,
and sometimes death.
Therefore, to say that "death is a complication of chicken pox", is like
saying, "bleeding is a complication of holding a knife in your hand": each event
is neither contingent nor a consequence of the preceding one. Their association
is artificial; requiring specific intervening actions to take place. In cases
of chicken pox, actions that are in accord and mandated by standard medical
practice.
"Therefore, to say that "death is a complication of chicken pox", is like
saying, "bleeding is a complication of holding a knife in your hand":"
Below it's in context.
And the whole page was here:
http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/17/chicken_pox.htm
The CDC admits that children don't die from chicken pox per se, but rather
"complications" from chicken pox. But what they don't say is that these
complications are all derived from acute blood toxemia established by the very
treatments used by allopathic physicians. So strictly speaking, all children that
die, do so from the allopathic medical treatments that are used to treat the
symptoms that accompany chicken pox. There has never been a recorded death among
the many thousands of children treated Hygienically, and without drugs.
What does the CDC list as the most common complication?
Pneumonia and secondary bacterial infections (caused by the antibiotics).
Other complications, according to the CDC, include encephalitis (inflamed brain
tissue mostly from the antipyretics), hemorrhagic complications (such as
intestinal bleeding, are the most common symptoms of aspirin-an anticoagulant, or
"blood thinner"), hepatitis (congested and inflamed liver caused by the
antipyretics), arthritis (decalcification of bone for the calcium needed to neutralize
acidic blood, mostly caused by the aspirin), and Reye's syndrome (most
commonly associated with giving aspirin to children that have chicken pox or
influenza).
Like aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs, acetaminophen (ie. Tylenol)
will also burden the liver and kidneys and check the vital actions of the body
to discharge waste from the blood. Acetaminophen poisoning is also common
because it throws the chemistry of the liver off. In fact, it is the most common
drug-induced cause of liver failure. It depletes hepatic glutathione, causing
the toxic metabolite NAPQI to fail to conjugate, which leads to hepatic injury,
and sometimes death.
Therefore, to say that "death is a complication of chicken pox", is like
saying, "bleeding is a complication of holding a knife in your hand": each event
is neither contingent nor a consequence of the preceding one. Their association
is artificial; requiring specific intervening actions to take place. In cases
of chicken pox, actions that are in accord and mandated by standard medical
practice.
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/23/2004 3:33:47 PM Central Standard Time,
jenneferh2000@... writes:
I have never heard of anyone dying due to Chicken Pox.
Is there more specific evidence of this?
~~~
The most common complication of severe chickenpox illness in these groups of
people is a bacterial infection that can involve many sites of the body
including the skin around the blisters, bones, lungs, joints, and the blood.
Other serious complications are due to the virus itself infecting the organs and
include viral _pneumonia_
(http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/lung/pneumonia.html) , bleeding problems, and inflammation of the brain (_encephalitis_
(http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/encephalitis.html) ).
_http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/chicken_pox_p2.html_
(http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/chicken_pox_p2.html)
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jenneferh2000@... writes:
I have never heard of anyone dying due to Chicken Pox.
Is there more specific evidence of this?
~~~
The most common complication of severe chickenpox illness in these groups of
people is a bacterial infection that can involve many sites of the body
including the skin around the blisters, bones, lungs, joints, and the blood.
Other serious complications are due to the virus itself infecting the organs and
include viral _pneumonia_
(http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/lung/pneumonia.html) , bleeding problems, and inflammation of the brain (_encephalitis_
(http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/encephalitis.html) ).
_http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/chicken_pox_p2.html_
(http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/chicken_pox_p2.html)
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Rhonda McDowell
Hi, Jennefer,
I'm the person who wrote the statement you are referring to about blindness and death. I heard that quote directly from a nurse practitioner at our family doctor's office. She said this after I had explained that I wanted to wait on this particular vaccine and expressed doubt about the seriousness of the illness. She said she had personally seen very severe cases come through their office. I don't know where you might find more specific evidence for these claims. Although she seemed sincere and I didn't doubt she was telling the truth, I also believe she was attempting to "scare" me into agreeing to have my youngest (now 8) vaccinated. I wanted to wait in hopes that my DD would catch it naturally, as her older sister did. But she still hasn't caught it, although she's been in public school up until last spring.
Because I've heard from many, many sources that the reaction is more severe the older a child is, I may have her vaccinated one of these days ~ although I also am concerned about the info shared by others on this discussion group that the vaccine doesn't last forever, can expose and be caught by others, and that the disease can still be caught later in life. I have heard about some catching it from shingles the elderly sometimes have. I've known a number of elderly people with it, and I wouldn't wish that painful & dibilitating condition on anyone.
I subscribe to Infectious Diseases, www.infectiousdiseasenews.com, to keep an eye on the whole vaccine issue (although this publication is obviously "pro" vaccine). You might find something on death or blindness linked to this vaccine in their archives.
BTY, I learned something the other day from this publication that relates to the other current discussion about rabies and bats. A recent article (see www.infectiousdiseasenews.com?200407/rabies.asp) stated that for the first time in the 50-year history of solid organ transplantation, three people have died from rabies who received organs from the same donor from Arkasas. Eight other cases are known of people who died after cornea transplants. Not to scare anyone. Thousands of lives are saved every year thru organ transplantation. Just one of the interesting facts I learned by subscribing to this publication. Usually every month, there is at least one article on vaccines.
Hope this helped!
Rhonda
I'm the person who wrote the statement you are referring to about blindness and death. I heard that quote directly from a nurse practitioner at our family doctor's office. She said this after I had explained that I wanted to wait on this particular vaccine and expressed doubt about the seriousness of the illness. She said she had personally seen very severe cases come through their office. I don't know where you might find more specific evidence for these claims. Although she seemed sincere and I didn't doubt she was telling the truth, I also believe she was attempting to "scare" me into agreeing to have my youngest (now 8) vaccinated. I wanted to wait in hopes that my DD would catch it naturally, as her older sister did. But she still hasn't caught it, although she's been in public school up until last spring.
Because I've heard from many, many sources that the reaction is more severe the older a child is, I may have her vaccinated one of these days ~ although I also am concerned about the info shared by others on this discussion group that the vaccine doesn't last forever, can expose and be caught by others, and that the disease can still be caught later in life. I have heard about some catching it from shingles the elderly sometimes have. I've known a number of elderly people with it, and I wouldn't wish that painful & dibilitating condition on anyone.
I subscribe to Infectious Diseases, www.infectiousdiseasenews.com, to keep an eye on the whole vaccine issue (although this publication is obviously "pro" vaccine). You might find something on death or blindness linked to this vaccine in their archives.
BTY, I learned something the other day from this publication that relates to the other current discussion about rabies and bats. A recent article (see www.infectiousdiseasenews.com?200407/rabies.asp) stated that for the first time in the 50-year history of solid organ transplantation, three people have died from rabies who received organs from the same donor from Arkasas. Eight other cases are known of people who died after cornea transplants. Not to scare anyone. Thousands of lives are saved every year thru organ transplantation. Just one of the interesting facts I learned by subscribing to this publication. Usually every month, there is at least one article on vaccines.
Hope this helped!
Rhonda
----- Original Message -----
From: jennefer harper
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:48 AM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] OT: Chicken Pox
I'm curious, has anyone heard of any adverse
reactions/effects due to the Chicken Pox vaccine?
Someone recently posted:
"Medical people have warned me that they
have seen cases come through their office of children
who have died or
been blinded by severe cases."
I have never heard of anyone dying due to Chicken Pox.
Is there more specific evidence of this?
Also, I have heard of people getting a pox in their
eye which caused temporary blindness, but the quote
above seems to read permanent blindness. Again, is
there a place where this "blindness" is documented?
It's hard for me to take the above statement at face
value without more specifics.
-Jennefer in OR
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In a message dated 7/23/2004 4:41:38 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Pneumonia and secondary bacterial infections (caused by the antibiotics).
Other complications, according to the CDC, include encephalitis (inflamed
brain
tissue mostly from the antipyretics), hemorrhagic complications (such as
intestinal bleeding, are the most common symptoms of aspirin-an
anticoagulant, or
"blood thinner"), hepatitis (congested and inflamed liver caused by the
antipyretics), arthritis (decalcification of bone for the calcium needed to
neutralize
acidic blood, mostly caused by the aspirin), and Reye's syndrome (most
commonly associated with giving aspirin to children that have chicken pox or
influenza).
~~~
I don't believe the CDC is saying the things in the parentheses, just to be
clear. It's the opinion of the writer/website.
"Pneumonia and secondary bacterial infections (caused by the antibiotics)."
First of all, who gets an antibiotic for chicken pox anyway? I suppose if
the lesionis got infected a doctor might prescribe a triple-antibiotic cream,
but that wouldn't be what caused the infection, would it?
Also, don't most mothers know by now that you NEVER give a kid aspirin for a
fever because of the risk of Reye's syndrome? It warns about it right on
the bottle.
I know you were posting about the amusing quote, and it was kind of funny,
but I didn't want to let that paragraph go without applying a little critical
thinking.
Karen
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SandraDodd@... writes:
Pneumonia and secondary bacterial infections (caused by the antibiotics).
Other complications, according to the CDC, include encephalitis (inflamed
brain
tissue mostly from the antipyretics), hemorrhagic complications (such as
intestinal bleeding, are the most common symptoms of aspirin-an
anticoagulant, or
"blood thinner"), hepatitis (congested and inflamed liver caused by the
antipyretics), arthritis (decalcification of bone for the calcium needed to
neutralize
acidic blood, mostly caused by the aspirin), and Reye's syndrome (most
commonly associated with giving aspirin to children that have chicken pox or
influenza).
~~~
I don't believe the CDC is saying the things in the parentheses, just to be
clear. It's the opinion of the writer/website.
"Pneumonia and secondary bacterial infections (caused by the antibiotics)."
First of all, who gets an antibiotic for chicken pox anyway? I suppose if
the lesionis got infected a doctor might prescribe a triple-antibiotic cream,
but that wouldn't be what caused the infection, would it?
Also, don't most mothers know by now that you NEVER give a kid aspirin for a
fever because of the risk of Reye's syndrome? It warns about it right on
the bottle.
I know you were posting about the amusing quote, and it was kind of funny,
but I didn't want to let that paragraph go without applying a little critical
thinking.
Karen
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eriksmama2001
See the CDC's site and search vaccines. Or see the government site
VAERS: it lists many, many children damaged by vaccines, including
death. The CDC removed the mandate for babies to be given the
Hepatitis B vaccine due to the unexpected increase in deaths.
VAERS means Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System. In the
manufacturing industry's mandatory drug insert, it is called "post
marketing research". That is research, i.e. unknown results. Yes,
research on our children. I was astounded, disbelieving and abhorrent
of this system. Many vaccines are "tested" on small groups of
children in HMOs. The results are extrapolated and then they they are
further "researched" in the public pediatric environment.
Go to a PDR or physician's desk reference on-line and look up any
individual vaccine. You can read this drug insert. You can request
the drug insert from any pharacist for any drug you are prescribed or
ask your doctor for the drug insert. The insert lists the number of
children in the original study and their initial results. No further
documentation is required in the drug insert to indicate "post
marketing results", or side-effects, but occasionally these are
included when some changes occur in the vaccine. The small size of
the initial "testing" was certainly disconcerting itself.
There is an informative article in MOTHERING magazine about the lack
of science supporting the safety and efficacy of vaccines
called "Show Us the Science" about two years ago. It followed the
discussion in the Senate about vaccine dangers.
Pat
Appologies since I am not sure this is an "unschooling" topic, but we
parents are learning not to assume that any "expert" knows what is
best for our family.
-- In [email protected], jennefer harper
<jenneferh2000@y...> wrote:
VAERS: it lists many, many children damaged by vaccines, including
death. The CDC removed the mandate for babies to be given the
Hepatitis B vaccine due to the unexpected increase in deaths.
VAERS means Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System. In the
manufacturing industry's mandatory drug insert, it is called "post
marketing research". That is research, i.e. unknown results. Yes,
research on our children. I was astounded, disbelieving and abhorrent
of this system. Many vaccines are "tested" on small groups of
children in HMOs. The results are extrapolated and then they they are
further "researched" in the public pediatric environment.
Go to a PDR or physician's desk reference on-line and look up any
individual vaccine. You can read this drug insert. You can request
the drug insert from any pharacist for any drug you are prescribed or
ask your doctor for the drug insert. The insert lists the number of
children in the original study and their initial results. No further
documentation is required in the drug insert to indicate "post
marketing results", or side-effects, but occasionally these are
included when some changes occur in the vaccine. The small size of
the initial "testing" was certainly disconcerting itself.
There is an informative article in MOTHERING magazine about the lack
of science supporting the safety and efficacy of vaccines
called "Show Us the Science" about two years ago. It followed the
discussion in the Senate about vaccine dangers.
Pat
Appologies since I am not sure this is an "unschooling" topic, but we
parents are learning not to assume that any "expert" knows what is
best for our family.
-- In [email protected], jennefer harper
<jenneferh2000@y...> wrote:
> I'm curious, has anyone heard of any adverse
> reactions/effects due to the Chicken Pox vaccine?
>
> Someone recently posted:
>
> "Medical people have warned me that they
> have seen cases come through their office of children
> who have died or
> been blinded by severe cases."
>
> I have never heard of anyone dying due to Chicken Pox.
> Is there more specific evidence of this?
>
> Also, I have heard of people getting a pox in their
> eye which caused temporary blindness, but the quote
> above seems to read permanent blindness. Again, is
> there a place where this "blindness" is documented?
>
> It's hard for me to take the above statement at face
> value without more specifics.
>
> -Jennefer in OR
>
>
>
>
>
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pam sorooshian
On Jul 23, 2004, at 2:49 PM, tuckervill2@... wrote:
pox. She was left with very very serious seizures - many tiny seizures
per day. That was quite a few years ago and she's still on seizure
medication, but doing really well with it.
-pam
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> I have never heard of anyone dying due to Chicken Pox.My niece almost died from a bacterial infection acquired through the
> Is there more specific evidence of this?
>
pox. She was left with very very serious seizures - many tiny seizures
per day. That was quite a few years ago and she's still on seizure
medication, but doing really well with it.
-pam
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Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
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In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:11:36 PM Central Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
pamsoroosh@... writes:
On Jul 23, 2004, at 2:49 PM, tuckervill2@... wrote:
> I have never heard of anyone dying due to Chicken Pox.
> Is there more specific evidence of this?
>
My niece almost died from a bacterial infection acquired through the
pox. She was left with very very serious seizures - many tiny seizures
per day. That was quite a few years ago and she's still on seizure
medication, but doing really well with it.
~~~
For the record, I didn't ask the question...just responded.
People don't die from chicken pox. They get other things as a result and can
die from those things, from what I've read. I think that was posted here in
a quote, too.
I hear that when people get shingles later in life they almost wish they
would die, though!
Karen
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In a message dated 7/23/2004 5:41:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Peace,
Sang
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> I went to look, and found this amusing quote:Wow. I have read a lot on vaccines and never heard this! Thank You!!!
>
Peace,
Sang
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