Chicken Pox
jennefer harper
Hi!
I would definately expose them as the older they get,
the harder it may be to deal with it. Also, you need
to expose your child to the infected child within the
window of contagiousness; so don't think too long
about it, or you may miss your opportunity. Try
having the kids share a drinking cup or eating utensil
etc. to share germs via saliva.
Interesting that you and some of your children may be
immune!
Also, with people immunizing for Chicken Pox
now-a-days, it's seems harder and harder to find
someone with it.
Good Luck!
Jennefer in Oregon
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I would definately expose them as the older they get,
the harder it may be to deal with it. Also, you need
to expose your child to the infected child within the
window of contagiousness; so don't think too long
about it, or you may miss your opportunity. Try
having the kids share a drinking cup or eating utensil
etc. to share germs via saliva.
Interesting that you and some of your children may be
immune!
Also, with people immunizing for Chicken Pox
now-a-days, it's seems harder and harder to find
someone with it.
Good Luck!
Jennefer in Oregon
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eriksmama2001
There is an informative article in the MOTHERING magazine on how a
family had a "chicken pox party". The article is probably available
on-line.
Pat
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<jenneferh2000@y...> wrote:
family had a "chicken pox party". The article is probably available
on-line.
Pat
--- In [email protected], jennefer harper
<jenneferh2000@y...> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I would definately expose them as the older they get,
> the harder it may be to deal with it. Also, you need
> to expose your child to the infected child within the
> window of contagiousness; so don't think too long
> about it, or you may miss your opportunity. Try
> having the kids share a drinking cup or eating utensil
> etc. to share germs via saliva.
>
> Interesting that you and some of your children may be
> immune!
>
> Also, with people immunizing for Chicken Pox
> now-a-days, it's seems harder and harder to find
> someone with it.
>
> Good Luck!
> Jennefer in Oregon
>
>
>
>
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nellebelle
> I would definately expose them as the older they get,Is this another modern day myth? I hear people say it is worse to get
> the harder it may be to deal with it.>>>>>
chicken pox when you're older, but I know at least one toddler who had a
horrible case - so I know it can be worse for some younger children too.
I haven't met anybody IRL who speaks of having had them when "older", so I
have no experience that it is harder, or easier, to deal with then. And do
you mean harder for the parent or for the child? Certainly it is harder for
parents of school age or daycare kids, because the parents miss work until
the child is better.
And how old is older? 10? 15? 25? 40?
Did anybody on this list have them when "older" and not have too bad of a
time? Could it be that before the days of routine chicken pox vaccinations
most people had them so young that they don't remember how sick they were?
The people who had them when they were old enough to remember simply
remember how bad it was? My mother says I had chicken pox, but I don't
remember it, so it must have been before I was "older".
Mary Ellen
cheryl
Hello. My husband (49 yo) had them in June. Covered from head to toe.
Covered. Doctor walked in, took one look, and said, "You're f***ed." Doctor
gave him an antiviral medicine, and he was completely healed in two weeks.
Son (14) had them, well, today is day 20. He had them much worse than his
dad, but he couldn't take the antiviral med (it made him itch worse). He's
just now losing the scabs and no longer contagious. Every one of the spots
started to get infected, and I had to take him in for antibiotics. I hate
antibiotics, but this really scared me. Any more questions, because we're
still dealing with it, and it's very fresh in my mind. I've been putting
vitamin E on the worst marks on his face to hopefully minimize the scarring,
but I see three or four that are going to be noticeable.
Cheryl N
Covered. Doctor walked in, took one look, and said, "You're f***ed." Doctor
gave him an antiviral medicine, and he was completely healed in two weeks.
Son (14) had them, well, today is day 20. He had them much worse than his
dad, but he couldn't take the antiviral med (it made him itch worse). He's
just now losing the scabs and no longer contagious. Every one of the spots
started to get infected, and I had to take him in for antibiotics. I hate
antibiotics, but this really scared me. Any more questions, because we're
still dealing with it, and it's very fresh in my mind. I've been putting
vitamin E on the worst marks on his face to hopefully minimize the scarring,
but I see three or four that are going to be noticeable.
Cheryl N
> > I would definately expose them as the older they get,do
> > the harder it may be to deal with it.>>>>>
>
> Is this another modern day myth? I hear people say it is worse to get
> chicken pox when you're older, but I know at least one toddler who had a
> horrible case - so I know it can be worse for some younger children too.
>
> I haven't met anybody IRL who speaks of having had them when "older", so I
> have no experience that it is harder, or easier, to deal with then. And
> you mean harder for the parent or for the child? Certainly it is harderfor
> parents of school age or daycare kids, because the parents miss work untilvaccinations
> the child is better.
>
> And how old is older? 10? 15? 25? 40?
>
> Did anybody on this list have them when "older" and not have too bad of a
> time? Could it be that before the days of routine chicken pox
> most people had them so young that they don't remember how sick they were?
> The people who had them when they were old enough to remember simply
> remember how bad it was? My mother says I had chicken pox, but I don't
> remember it, so it must have been before I was "older".
>
> Mary Ellen
Dana Matt
> And how old is older? 10? 15? 25? 40?I had them at 18, I mentioned earlier, and had a mild
>
> Did anybody on this list have them when "older" and
> not have too bad of a
> time?
case--maybe 20 pox. It was 1987.
Dana
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Angela
I had them as a 6 month old baby and I had them really bad. There were even sores in my throat. I still have scars from them that show today. (not in my throat though, can't see there.)
Interesting to read about people's ages versus severity.
Angela
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Interesting to read about people's ages versus severity.
Angela
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In a message dated 7/28/2004 5:03:19 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
nellebelle@... writes:
I hear people say it is worse to get
chicken pox when you're older,
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I was 19. I only had about 20 spots, on my back and side, and I thought it
was chigger bites or something because I'd been camping. But it turned out the
little boy who was camping with us came down with big chicken pox that week
too, and my case was just quite mild. I was a little woozy and slightly
feverish, but there were midterm tests to take, and I went but sat in the back away
from others.
Student health left a message for me to call them, and I got told off for
going to class. They said "We said to stay away from other people." I said
"Well, I didn't sit by anyone."
They meant REALLY away. <g>
My mom had tried to expose me when I was 11 and my two cousins and sister had
it all at once. I slept with them, played with them, shared glasses, but
didn't get it.
My kids had it from and with other kids in the babysitting co-op. My friend
Carol (who wrote the thing about late reading) had her kids get it in series,
so it took two months. Like clockwork, after two weeks one more would break
out, but not three; then two weeks later one more, not two.
We babysat the sickies sometimes because my kids had already had it, except
Holly and we didn't mind her getting it. Her case was bad in that there were
lots of spots, in ears, everywhere. She pretty much lived in the tub. She was
little. She played with a sock full of oatmeal, and we put calamine on
after, and the whole drawn out deal. It seems like it will last forever on day
three, but it doesn't ultimately last long at all.
Sandra
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nellebelle@... writes:
I hear people say it is worse to get
chicken pox when you're older,
-----------
I was 19. I only had about 20 spots, on my back and side, and I thought it
was chigger bites or something because I'd been camping. But it turned out the
little boy who was camping with us came down with big chicken pox that week
too, and my case was just quite mild. I was a little woozy and slightly
feverish, but there were midterm tests to take, and I went but sat in the back away
from others.
Student health left a message for me to call them, and I got told off for
going to class. They said "We said to stay away from other people." I said
"Well, I didn't sit by anyone."
They meant REALLY away. <g>
My mom had tried to expose me when I was 11 and my two cousins and sister had
it all at once. I slept with them, played with them, shared glasses, but
didn't get it.
My kids had it from and with other kids in the babysitting co-op. My friend
Carol (who wrote the thing about late reading) had her kids get it in series,
so it took two months. Like clockwork, after two weeks one more would break
out, but not three; then two weeks later one more, not two.
We babysat the sickies sometimes because my kids had already had it, except
Holly and we didn't mind her getting it. Her case was bad in that there were
lots of spots, in ears, everywhere. She pretty much lived in the tub. She was
little. She played with a sock full of oatmeal, and we put calamine on
after, and the whole drawn out deal. It seems like it will last forever on day
three, but it doesn't ultimately last long at all.
Sandra
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In a message dated 7/28/2004 5:51:38 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
hoffmanwilson@... writes:
I had them at 18, I mentioned earlier, and had a mild
case--maybe 20 pox.
========
Hey!
Almost just like mine. <g>
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hoffmanwilson@... writes:
I had them at 18, I mentioned earlier, and had a mild
case--maybe 20 pox.
========
Hey!
Almost just like mine. <g>
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In a message dated 7/28/2004 7:51:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hoffmanwilson@... writes:
My closest friend here in WV had them (for a second time) when she was
43...it totally floored her. She was sick for over a month, bedridden for part of
it. She hates medicine though, and I think she tried to get through without
it.
At a church we attended years ago, an 18 yo boy died from Chicken Pox. But I
dont' know all the circumstances...could have been a reaction to the
medicine, etc.
I heard once that it can cause sterility in adults, like the mumps
can...anyone know if that's true?
Nancy B.
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hoffmanwilson@... writes:
> And how old is older? 10? 15? 25? 40?**********************************
>
> Did anybody on this list have them when "older" and
> not have too bad of a
> time?
My closest friend here in WV had them (for a second time) when she was
43...it totally floored her. She was sick for over a month, bedridden for part of
it. She hates medicine though, and I think she tried to get through without
it.
At a church we attended years ago, an 18 yo boy died from Chicken Pox. But I
dont' know all the circumstances...could have been a reaction to the
medicine, etc.
I heard once that it can cause sterility in adults, like the mumps
can...anyone know if that's true?
Nancy B.
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Andrea Burlingame
My husband got Chicken Pox at age 47 and he was sicker than I've ever seen
him. Ran a fever the whole time and was quite out of it. It was weird,
because he usually won't even stop working when he's sick. He did then,
though, for at least 3 days.
Also, someone told us that adults are more at risk for getting shingles from
chicken pox, but I don't know if that's true.
~Andrea in Ocean Park, WA
him. Ran a fever the whole time and was quite out of it. It was weird,
because he usually won't even stop working when he's sick. He did then,
though, for at least 3 days.
Also, someone told us that adults are more at risk for getting shingles from
chicken pox, but I don't know if that's true.
~Andrea in Ocean Park, WA
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In a message dated 7/28/04 11:56:29 PM, aburlingame@... writes:
<< My husband got Chicken Pox at age 47 and he was sicker than I've ever seen
him. Ran a fever the whole time and was quite out of it. >>
I saw my mom with measles in her 30s and that was scary. She was really sick.
Sandra
<< My husband got Chicken Pox at age 47 and he was sicker than I've ever seen
him. Ran a fever the whole time and was quite out of it. >>
I saw my mom with measles in her 30s and that was scary. She was really sick.
Sandra
Dawn Adams
Andrea writes:
Also, someone told us that adults are more at risk for getting shingles from
chicken pox, but I don't know if that's true.
Dawn (in NS)
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Also, someone told us that adults are more at risk for getting shingles from
chicken pox, but I don't know if that's true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not sure if that specifically is true but most adult who get shingles get it because they had chicken pox. Chicken pox never really leaves, it's just that your body learns to deal with it, but it can sort of re-activate years later and cause shingles. So any one who's had chicken pox as a child (95% of us) is at risk for shingles as an adult.
Dawn (in NS)
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Dawn Adams
Mary Ellen writes:
Is this another modern day myth? I hear people say it is worse to get
chicken pox when you're older, but I know at least one toddler who had a
horrible case - so I know it can be worse for some younger children too.
I haven't met anybody IRL who speaks of having had them when "older", so I
have no experience that it is harder, or easier, to deal with then. And do
you mean harder for the parent or for the child? Certainly it is harder for
parents of school age or daycare kids, because the parents miss work until
the child is better.
Dawn (Who just heard a call in show about chicken pox the day before)
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Is this another modern day myth? I hear people say it is worse to get
chicken pox when you're older, but I know at least one toddler who had a
horrible case - so I know it can be worse for some younger children too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chicken pox can kill kids (i think 12 kids in Canada last year) and cause serious irreperable harm (brain enceph...um...swelling) as well, though cases that serious in kids are rare. It's not that kids can't have serious cases but that generally more adult cases are serious.
I haven't met anybody IRL who speaks of having had them when "older", so I
have no experience that it is harder, or easier, to deal with then. And do
you mean harder for the parent or for the child? Certainly it is harder for
parents of school age or daycare kids, because the parents miss work until
the child is better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Older means adult and harder means more adults will face a serious illness with serious complications. It's a much riskier disease for an adult to get than a child.
Dawn (Who just heard a call in show about chicken pox the day before)
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eriksmama2001
Chicken pox does kill. So do cars and boats and planes and we don't
all fear them and avoid them although some people die each year. It
is tragic, of course, but assuming that we "prevent" deaths with
vaccines, which also have serious risks, is like never riding in a
vehicle to prevent accidents. Everything has to be weighed for its
pros and cons based on your best information. Health care, like any
life decision, has no guarantees. Security is a superstition.
Be informed, see the CDC site about disease occurances, severity, age
of greatest risks, and vaccines side-effects for yourself.
Extrapolate these numbers for all Americans (274 million) and 3.7
million babies born in 2000, 72 million children under 18 (US census
data). Read the government's vaccine adverse events reporting system
on line at VAERS.org. You will be astounded at the number and
severity of events reported to be corrolated with the vaccines
compared to the number of children vaccinated. (Approximately 26
vaccines per child by age 4).
The huge number of vaccines multiplies the risk of an adverse effect
every time the child is exposed to the toxins in the vaccines. See
vaccine ingredients on-line, some of these are known neurotoxins. It
isn't too incomprehensible why parents of autistic children and
scientists are questioning if the vaccines are not corrolated in the
dramatic increase in newly diagnosed autism (0.3/10,000 to 2.1/10,000
cases: 1100 case in 1988 to 7700 cases in 1999. A sevenfold increase
in 10 years. (See autism incidence on-line). Just as the number of
vaccines "required" with mercury and other toxic ingredients have
increased dramatically.
Mind you after 30-40 years of mercury in our children's vaccines the
system has recently decided it might be safer to remove it. No
admission that it isn't safe to inject thimerosal (mercury) into
people. (Many adult vaccines still have mercury, and are even given
to pregnant women!) How much mercury is too much for any one
individual infant, child or fetus?
Is it too late for many children? YOU have to decide as the parent,
or let your child decide when she or he can understand the risks and
potential benefits of vaccination. What other practice and
institutions do we sheepishly follow without questioning in America
than the vaccines and education system? Doctors and teachers are not
the experts for all knowledge. Question assumptions and conclusions,
yours, theirs and mine. Injections are permanent choices.
Critical thinking. Yes, even in of most ingrained belief systems. I
know, I was part of the medical system. It was harder to question
inside the system but for my child's sake I do.
Pat
--- In [email protected], "Dawn Adams"
<Wishbone@s...> wrote:
well, though cases that serious in kids are rare. It's not that kids
can't have serious cases but that generally more adult cases are
serious.
disease for an adult to get than a child.
all fear them and avoid them although some people die each year. It
is tragic, of course, but assuming that we "prevent" deaths with
vaccines, which also have serious risks, is like never riding in a
vehicle to prevent accidents. Everything has to be weighed for its
pros and cons based on your best information. Health care, like any
life decision, has no guarantees. Security is a superstition.
Be informed, see the CDC site about disease occurances, severity, age
of greatest risks, and vaccines side-effects for yourself.
Extrapolate these numbers for all Americans (274 million) and 3.7
million babies born in 2000, 72 million children under 18 (US census
data). Read the government's vaccine adverse events reporting system
on line at VAERS.org. You will be astounded at the number and
severity of events reported to be corrolated with the vaccines
compared to the number of children vaccinated. (Approximately 26
vaccines per child by age 4).
The huge number of vaccines multiplies the risk of an adverse effect
every time the child is exposed to the toxins in the vaccines. See
vaccine ingredients on-line, some of these are known neurotoxins. It
isn't too incomprehensible why parents of autistic children and
scientists are questioning if the vaccines are not corrolated in the
dramatic increase in newly diagnosed autism (0.3/10,000 to 2.1/10,000
cases: 1100 case in 1988 to 7700 cases in 1999. A sevenfold increase
in 10 years. (See autism incidence on-line). Just as the number of
vaccines "required" with mercury and other toxic ingredients have
increased dramatically.
Mind you after 30-40 years of mercury in our children's vaccines the
system has recently decided it might be safer to remove it. No
admission that it isn't safe to inject thimerosal (mercury) into
people. (Many adult vaccines still have mercury, and are even given
to pregnant women!) How much mercury is too much for any one
individual infant, child or fetus?
Is it too late for many children? YOU have to decide as the parent,
or let your child decide when she or he can understand the risks and
potential benefits of vaccination. What other practice and
institutions do we sheepishly follow without questioning in America
than the vaccines and education system? Doctors and teachers are not
the experts for all knowledge. Question assumptions and conclusions,
yours, theirs and mine. Injections are permanent choices.
Critical thinking. Yes, even in of most ingrained belief systems. I
know, I was part of the medical system. It was harder to question
inside the system but for my child's sake I do.
Pat
--- In [email protected], "Dawn Adams"
<Wishbone@s...> wrote:
>to get
>
> Mary Ellen writes:
> Is this another modern day myth? I hear people say it is worse
> chicken pox when you're older, but I know at least one toddlerwho had a
> horrible case - so I know it can be worse for some youngerchildren too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and cause serious irreperable harm (brain enceph...um...swelling) as
>
> Chicken pox can kill kids (i think 12 kids in Canada last year)
well, though cases that serious in kids are rare. It's not that kids
can't have serious cases but that generally more adult cases are
serious.
>when "older", so I
> I haven't met anybody IRL who speaks of having had them
> have no experience that it is harder, or easier, to deal withthen. And do
> you mean harder for the parent or for the child? Certainly it isharder for
> parents of school age or daycare kids, because the parents misswork until
> the child is better.serious illness with serious complications. It's a much riskier
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Older means adult and harder means more adults will face a
disease for an adult to get than a child.
>before)
> Dawn (Who just heard a call in show about chicken pox the day
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mary
From: "Andrea Burlingame">
<<Also, someone told us that adults are more at risk for getting shingles
from chicken pox, but I don't know if that's true.>>
I know quite a few people who have shingles and all of them had chicken pox
as children.
Mary B
<<Also, someone told us that adults are more at risk for getting shingles
from chicken pox, but I don't know if that's true.>>
I know quite a few people who have shingles and all of them had chicken pox
as children.
Mary B
Crystal
> I know quite a few people who have shingles and all of them hadchicken pox
> as children.My youngest daughter had shingles when she was only 2-1/2. All my
>
> Mary B
kids had already had the chicken pox virus--including her.
Crystal
Andrea Burlingame
Yeah, I really didn't know if there was any validity to that statement. I
just know that it worried dh, because he was made to believe that his pox
would/could turn into shingles. Actually, I don't even really know what
shingles are! I'm going to have to look that up...
~Andrea
Ahh...here is something from Indiana University Health Center:
What is shingles?
Shingles is a painful skin eruption caused by the varicella zoster virus,
the same virus that causes chicken pox. The virus remains dormant in a nerve
root near the spinal cord after chicken pox. Fatigue,emotional upsets,
immune suppressive drugs (such as corticosteriods), radiation therapy or
unknown factors cause the virus to reactivate. When it reactivates, it
travels down the nerve to the skin. Anyone can get shingles if they have had
chicken pox but it is more likely to occur in older people.
What are symptoms of shingles?
Pain usually begins along the nerve before the rash appears. Itching,
burning or weakness in the associated muscles may also be present. The rash
usually develops within a few days after the pain begins. The rash appears
as groups of small blisters on the skin along the nerve tract.This often
occurs on one side of the chest or face, but may appear on any part of the
body. The blisters crust and heal during the next two weeks. Pain may
persist for weeks or sometimes months after the rash heals.
Treatment
Antiviral medications such as acyclovir can be used to reduce the pain and
promote healing if started early in the course of illness. Pain relief
medicine and soothing soaks or lotions may also be used.
just know that it worried dh, because he was made to believe that his pox
would/could turn into shingles. Actually, I don't even really know what
shingles are! I'm going to have to look that up...
~Andrea
Ahh...here is something from Indiana University Health Center:
What is shingles?
Shingles is a painful skin eruption caused by the varicella zoster virus,
the same virus that causes chicken pox. The virus remains dormant in a nerve
root near the spinal cord after chicken pox. Fatigue,emotional upsets,
immune suppressive drugs (such as corticosteriods), radiation therapy or
unknown factors cause the virus to reactivate. When it reactivates, it
travels down the nerve to the skin. Anyone can get shingles if they have had
chicken pox but it is more likely to occur in older people.
What are symptoms of shingles?
Pain usually begins along the nerve before the rash appears. Itching,
burning or weakness in the associated muscles may also be present. The rash
usually develops within a few days after the pain begins. The rash appears
as groups of small blisters on the skin along the nerve tract.This often
occurs on one side of the chest or face, but may appear on any part of the
body. The blisters crust and heal during the next two weeks. Pain may
persist for weeks or sometimes months after the rash heals.
Treatment
Antiviral medications such as acyclovir can be used to reduce the pain and
promote healing if started early in the course of illness. Pain relief
medicine and soothing soaks or lotions may also be used.
Sylvia Toyama
I had chickenpox at 9, and I remember it. As illnesses go, not so bad, tho the itching drove me crazy.
In high school, my friend next door had them at 15, and it was awful -- she had them in her mouth, inside her ears -- virtually everywhere and she was miserable. I was told it was because of her age.
In more recent years, a cousin of mine had them at 9, very similar to my friend above -- pox in her mouth and throat, etc. An neighbor's son had them at age 10 (just after being vaxxed to prevent them) and was miserable, very sick. His younger brother, then 3yo, had a very mild case.
I think, just like with any illness, there are a lot of factors. Probably everything from one's age, to current health status, to diet, and overall constitution. Two years ago at our house, we had a virus run thru -- Dan (16mos then) landed in the hospital. Gary and the other boys (6 & 17) threw up for a couple of days. My Mom was sick for almost a week. I never caught it, tho I tended to everyone except my Mom.
That's part of why I'm not really all that worried by the vax-preventable illnesses. It's all a big crapshoot, anyway. Keep the kids as healthy as you can, and hope for the best.
The only one that concerns me is Rubella, for its risk to pregnant women. If I had a daughter, I'd tell her about the risks measles while pregnant so she could choose to be vaxed, and that it might be a good idea for her partner to also be vaxed by the time they want children.
Syl
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Is this another modern day myth? I hear people say it is worse to get chicken pox when you're older, but I know at least one toddler who had a horrible case - so I know it can be worse for some younger children too.
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In high school, my friend next door had them at 15, and it was awful -- she had them in her mouth, inside her ears -- virtually everywhere and she was miserable. I was told it was because of her age.
In more recent years, a cousin of mine had them at 9, very similar to my friend above -- pox in her mouth and throat, etc. An neighbor's son had them at age 10 (just after being vaxxed to prevent them) and was miserable, very sick. His younger brother, then 3yo, had a very mild case.
I think, just like with any illness, there are a lot of factors. Probably everything from one's age, to current health status, to diet, and overall constitution. Two years ago at our house, we had a virus run thru -- Dan (16mos then) landed in the hospital. Gary and the other boys (6 & 17) threw up for a couple of days. My Mom was sick for almost a week. I never caught it, tho I tended to everyone except my Mom.
That's part of why I'm not really all that worried by the vax-preventable illnesses. It's all a big crapshoot, anyway. Keep the kids as healthy as you can, and hope for the best.
The only one that concerns me is Rubella, for its risk to pregnant women. If I had a daughter, I'd tell her about the risks measles while pregnant so she could choose to be vaxed, and that it might be a good idea for her partner to also be vaxed by the time they want children.
Syl
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Is this another modern day myth? I hear people say it is worse to get chicken pox when you're older, but I know at least one toddler who had a horrible case - so I know it can be worse for some younger children too.
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Andrea Burlingame
My son had a mild case of chicken pox when he was 4--barely phased him
actually and he only had a few sores. When he was 8 he had a much more
severe case--LOTS of sores everywhere. They hurt him most in his groin area
and armpits. But the thing that surprized me was his fever. He was really
out of it, even deliriously mumbling nonsense in his half-sleep. He had
never been that sick before, and I don't believe, since (he's 15 and living
in Alaska with his dad, so I don't know for sure, even though I'm in pretty
constant contact.) Still, I felt comfortable just trying to make him as
comfortable as possible, while letting the fever do it's thing. (As a side
note, I also chose not to vaccinate any of my children for anything based on
ongoing research on my part.)
~Andrea
actually and he only had a few sores. When he was 8 he had a much more
severe case--LOTS of sores everywhere. They hurt him most in his groin area
and armpits. But the thing that surprized me was his fever. He was really
out of it, even deliriously mumbling nonsense in his half-sleep. He had
never been that sick before, and I don't believe, since (he's 15 and living
in Alaska with his dad, so I don't know for sure, even though I'm in pretty
constant contact.) Still, I felt comfortable just trying to make him as
comfortable as possible, while letting the fever do it's thing. (As a side
note, I also chose not to vaccinate any of my children for anything based on
ongoing research on my part.)
~Andrea
Sylvia Toyama
At a church we attended years ago, an 18 yo boy died from Chicken Pox. But I dont' know all the circumstances...could have been a reaction to the medicine, etc.
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When I was in high school, a teenage boy died from Reyes Syndrome, which developed after his parents gave him aspirin when he had chickenpox. Apparently, something about aspirin and chickenpox can cause that.
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I heard once that it can cause sterility in adults, like the mumps can...anyone know if that's true?
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I've heard that chickenpox exposure for a pregnant woman can cause deafness for the baby. Also, from what I've read, it's really quite rare for mumps to cause sterility in men. The virus would have to infect both testes, and significantly enough to cause a rupture. Really doesn't happen very often.
Syl
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When I was in high school, a teenage boy died from Reyes Syndrome, which developed after his parents gave him aspirin when he had chickenpox. Apparently, something about aspirin and chickenpox can cause that.
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I heard once that it can cause sterility in adults, like the mumps can...anyone know if that's true?
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I've heard that chickenpox exposure for a pregnant woman can cause deafness for the baby. Also, from what I've read, it's really quite rare for mumps to cause sterility in men. The virus would have to infect both testes, and significantly enough to cause a rupture. Really doesn't happen very often.
Syl
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In a message dated 7/29/04 7:10:51 AM, scubamama@... writes:
<< What other practice and
institutions do we sheepishly follow without questioning in America
than the vaccines and education system? Doctors and teachers are not
the experts for all knowledge. Question assumptions and conclusions,
yours, theirs and mine. Injections are permanent choices.
<<Critical thinking. Yes, even in of most ingrained belief systems. I
know, I was part of the medical system. It was harder to question
inside the system but for my child's sake I do. >>
It's just such hard work.
I know some people have spent as much risky energy as they had in them to
take their kids out of school, and there they are, very busy moms of children,
and then they're expected to research vaccines, and foods, and reward/punishment
factors in childrearing, and whether video games will create criminals, and
what cars and carseats are safest, and whether living here or there will be
best, and whether a child has to wear all cotton and use more expensive cotton
sheets or some polyester isn't his problem...
It's hard, and it's not crucial, in a way. It's a choice.
People can go along to get along. They can use their peripheral vision and
do what their friends and neighbors are doing, and few will blame them if the
outcome isn't ideal.
The worst part is the outcome isn't guaranteed to be ideal even if you DO
research the heck out of the world and make all your best decisions. And if you
have wrestled science and culture and family down so that they will not stop
you, then you're solely responsible for the results of your decisions, and
that's harder for some people to accept than the vagaries of following the herd.
If people send their kids to school and get them vaccinated, then they can
blame other people for bad outcome, unless they knew they had a choice.
It's the choice itself that causes the responsibility.
Darn it.
Life is hard.
Within the current conversation, I'm just relieved that my kids all had
chicken pox when they were little.
Kirby had vaccinations his first few years. Marty had a very few. Holly had
almost none. Something in the hospital. We refused live polio vaccines
because one of the dads in our babysitting co-op was an organ transplant diabetic,
waiting for another transplant, and the clinic didn't have killed vaccine, so
we wandered away.
Maybe someday one of my kids will get polio and I might feel that it's All My
Fault.
Religion is really good in cases like this. People pray for guidance, do
what they think God wants, and say "Will of God...mysterious ways..." if it's
disappointing down the line.
Sandra
<< What other practice and
institutions do we sheepishly follow without questioning in America
than the vaccines and education system? Doctors and teachers are not
the experts for all knowledge. Question assumptions and conclusions,
yours, theirs and mine. Injections are permanent choices.
<<Critical thinking. Yes, even in of most ingrained belief systems. I
know, I was part of the medical system. It was harder to question
inside the system but for my child's sake I do. >>
It's just such hard work.
I know some people have spent as much risky energy as they had in them to
take their kids out of school, and there they are, very busy moms of children,
and then they're expected to research vaccines, and foods, and reward/punishment
factors in childrearing, and whether video games will create criminals, and
what cars and carseats are safest, and whether living here or there will be
best, and whether a child has to wear all cotton and use more expensive cotton
sheets or some polyester isn't his problem...
It's hard, and it's not crucial, in a way. It's a choice.
People can go along to get along. They can use their peripheral vision and
do what their friends and neighbors are doing, and few will blame them if the
outcome isn't ideal.
The worst part is the outcome isn't guaranteed to be ideal even if you DO
research the heck out of the world and make all your best decisions. And if you
have wrestled science and culture and family down so that they will not stop
you, then you're solely responsible for the results of your decisions, and
that's harder for some people to accept than the vagaries of following the herd.
If people send their kids to school and get them vaccinated, then they can
blame other people for bad outcome, unless they knew they had a choice.
It's the choice itself that causes the responsibility.
Darn it.
Life is hard.
Within the current conversation, I'm just relieved that my kids all had
chicken pox when they were little.
Kirby had vaccinations his first few years. Marty had a very few. Holly had
almost none. Something in the hospital. We refused live polio vaccines
because one of the dads in our babysitting co-op was an organ transplant diabetic,
waiting for another transplant, and the clinic didn't have killed vaccine, so
we wandered away.
Maybe someday one of my kids will get polio and I might feel that it's All My
Fault.
Religion is really good in cases like this. People pray for guidance, do
what they think God wants, and say "Will of God...mysterious ways..." if it's
disappointing down the line.
Sandra
Sylvia Toyama
People can go along to get along. They can use their peripheral vision and do what their friends and neighbors are doing, and few will blame them if the outcome isn't ideal.
*****
This is very much what my sister does. It's easier to go along with what's expected and just hope for the best, than to do any research or question anything. At some times, it's almost been like a child who covers her ears and sings la-la-la-la so she won't hear any bad news. She's actually said, 'yes, I know there are risks, but nothing bad has happened yet, do I don't want to hear about it.'
I just don't get that -- I can't not ask and question. Just too skeptical, I guess.
Syl
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This is very much what my sister does. It's easier to go along with what's expected and just hope for the best, than to do any research or question anything. At some times, it's almost been like a child who covers her ears and sings la-la-la-la so she won't hear any bad news. She's actually said, 'yes, I know there are risks, but nothing bad has happened yet, do I don't want to hear about it.'
I just don't get that -- I can't not ask and question. Just too skeptical, I guess.
Syl
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Dawn Adams
Pat writes:
Chicken pox does kill. So do cars and boats and planes and we don't
all fear them and avoid them although some people die each year.
Dawn (in NS)
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Chicken pox does kill. So do cars and boats and planes and we don't
all fear them and avoid them although some people die each year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I didn't mean to say we should all rush out for chicken pox vaccines for the kids. I was just stating what I had learned about chicken pox in response to what someone had said about how it could be serious. Frankly, I think 12 deaths in a population of 30 million where almost everybody gets the disease is very, very small and not worth a widespread vaccination program (That doesn't sound right, sounds uncaring about those deaths I know). My son was vaccinated but I wish I'd read more (though I'm not sure my decision would have been different). Catherine made the choice not to have the chicken pox vaccine after we talked about it and I'm fine with that (though I did not give her the same choice about other vaxes unfortunately). They've both had all the vaxs the province reccomends and I'm satified that it did not harm them. I'm not satisfied about having made the right choice however as I did very little research. One thing I've come to realize is that because a decision did no harm does NOT mean it was the right one or made properly.
Dawn (in NS)
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In a message dated 7/29/2004 11:13:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sylgt04@... writes:
cause sterility in men. The virus would have to infect both testes, and
significantly enough to cause a rupture. Really doesn't happen very often.
Syl<<
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This DID happen to my Uncle Carl. He and his first wife went out to dinner
with some friends and afterwards stopped at their home for drinks. Turns out
their kids had the mumps, hadn't told my uncle, and he ended up with them.
They left him sterile, and his wife divorced him not long after.
He did marry again, the most wonderful Aunt anyone could ever want and they
have had a very fulfilling, adventurous life together with no kids.
Nancy B.
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sylgt04@... writes:
>>I've heard that chickenpox exposure for a pregnant woman can cause deafnessfor the baby. Also, from what I've read, it's really quite rare for mumps to
cause sterility in men. The virus would have to infect both testes, and
significantly enough to cause a rupture. Really doesn't happen very often.
Syl<<
*******************************
This DID happen to my Uncle Carl. He and his first wife went out to dinner
with some friends and afterwards stopped at their home for drinks. Turns out
their kids had the mumps, hadn't told my uncle, and he ended up with them.
They left him sterile, and his wife divorced him not long after.
He did marry again, the most wonderful Aunt anyone could ever want and they
have had a very fulfilling, adventurous life together with no kids.
Nancy B.
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Angela
LOL! My sister has actually done this (covered her ears and sang la la la)
when a few of us were sitting around debating religion. She just didn't
want to question what she was raised with at all. I was worried that that
attitude would come into play in her parenting (her first baby is just 8
weeks old) but I am happy to say that she is reading the attachment
parenting books I gave her (and she likes them) and beginning to use the
sling I gave her. (and she likes it) I kept telling her not to buy a crib
(at least not at first) but she insisted that she'd never be comfortable
sleeping with her baby and she had my dad build her a beautiful one. He's
been in her bed since day 2. ;0) I mentioned it to her and she says that
someday he'll probably use that crib. I wonder how or when someday will
come. I suspect it won't, but one day at a time. I am so thankful that she
is open to questioning the norm finally. Yeah!!
Angela
<mailto:game-enthusiast@...> game-enthusiast@...
Sylvia wrote:
This is very much what my sister does. It's easier to go along with what's
expected and just hope for the best, than to do any research or question
anything. At some times, it's almost been like a child who covers her ears
and sings la-la-la-la so she won't hear any bad news.
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when a few of us were sitting around debating religion. She just didn't
want to question what she was raised with at all. I was worried that that
attitude would come into play in her parenting (her first baby is just 8
weeks old) but I am happy to say that she is reading the attachment
parenting books I gave her (and she likes them) and beginning to use the
sling I gave her. (and she likes it) I kept telling her not to buy a crib
(at least not at first) but she insisted that she'd never be comfortable
sleeping with her baby and she had my dad build her a beautiful one. He's
been in her bed since day 2. ;0) I mentioned it to her and she says that
someday he'll probably use that crib. I wonder how or when someday will
come. I suspect it won't, but one day at a time. I am so thankful that she
is open to questioning the norm finally. Yeah!!
Angela
<mailto:game-enthusiast@...> game-enthusiast@...
Sylvia wrote:
This is very much what my sister does. It's easier to go along with what's
expected and just hope for the best, than to do any research or question
anything. At some times, it's almost been like a child who covers her ears
and sings la-la-la-la so she won't hear any bad news.
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In a message dated 7/28/2004 7:03:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nellebelle@... writes:
Did anybody on this list have them when "older" and not have too bad of a
time? Could it be that before the days of routine chicken pox vaccinations
most people had them so young that they don't remember how sick they were?
The people who had them when they were old enough to remember simply
remember how bad it was? My mother says I had chicken pox, but I don't
remember it, so it must have been before I was "older".<<<
I already gave my story, I think. I was 13 and was COVERED. On the palms of
my hands, on the soles of my feet, in my mouth, and in my vagina. I had a
dangerously high fever. Laid up in bed for three weeks.
My brother got them iimediately after me. He's fifteen months younger. He
was sparsely affected.
Cameron got them when he was almost five. Mild fever, just "uncomfortable".
~Kelly
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nellebelle@... writes:
Did anybody on this list have them when "older" and not have too bad of a
time? Could it be that before the days of routine chicken pox vaccinations
most people had them so young that they don't remember how sick they were?
The people who had them when they were old enough to remember simply
remember how bad it was? My mother says I had chicken pox, but I don't
remember it, so it must have been before I was "older".<<<
I already gave my story, I think. I was 13 and was COVERED. On the palms of
my hands, on the soles of my feet, in my mouth, and in my vagina. I had a
dangerously high fever. Laid up in bed for three weeks.
My brother got them iimediately after me. He's fifteen months younger. He
was sparsely affected.
Cameron got them when he was almost five. Mild fever, just "uncomfortable".
~Kelly
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Jill Leggett
My son very mild chicken pox at 2 (like less than 10 bumps), then a
mild case at about 4. Then when he was 9 he had shingles. There was
no pain, just a little itching. He had a rash on his back and chest
that ran along a nerve. Very unusual, I thought.
mild case at about 4. Then when he was 9 he had shingles. There was
no pain, just a little itching. He had a rash on his back and chest
that ran along a nerve. Very unusual, I thought.
Marie
We didn't set up the crib until my daughter was old enough to roll off the
bed during naptimes. She wouldn't sleep in the crib, so we set up a cozy,
safe spot on the closet floor (that was a BIG secret in our house lol the
older kids knew not to talk about that to anyone else) Well at 15 months old
she started sleeping through the night (all of a sudden actually, after
waking every hour or two since she was born), and just would not sleep well
with me anymore (if she is not put in her crib soon enough after falling
asleep she wakes back up cranky). So into the crib she went, at 15 months
lol. Before that it was a holder for if I needed a shower when dh wasn't
home to hold her.
Marie
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From: Angela [mailto:game-enthusiast@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Questioning experts
LOL! My sister has actually done this (covered her ears and sang la la la)
when a few of us were sitting around debating religion. She just didn't
want to question what she was raised with at all. I was worried that that
attitude would come into play in her parenting (her first baby is just 8
weeks old) but I am happy to say that she is reading the attachment
parenting books I gave her (and she likes them) and beginning to use the
sling I gave her. (and she likes it) I kept telling her not to buy a crib
(at least not at first) but she insisted that she'd never be comfortable
sleeping with her baby and she had my dad build her a beautiful one. He's
been in her bed since day 2. ;0) I mentioned it to her and she says that
someday he'll probably use that crib. I wonder how or when someday will
come. I suspect it won't, but one day at a time. I am so thankful that she
is open to questioning the norm finally. Yeah!!
bed during naptimes. She wouldn't sleep in the crib, so we set up a cozy,
safe spot on the closet floor (that was a BIG secret in our house lol the
older kids knew not to talk about that to anyone else) Well at 15 months old
she started sleeping through the night (all of a sudden actually, after
waking every hour or two since she was born), and just would not sleep well
with me anymore (if she is not put in her crib soon enough after falling
asleep she wakes back up cranky). So into the crib she went, at 15 months
lol. Before that it was a holder for if I needed a shower when dh wasn't
home to hold her.
Marie
-----Original Message-----
From: Angela [mailto:game-enthusiast@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Questioning experts
LOL! My sister has actually done this (covered her ears and sang la la la)
when a few of us were sitting around debating religion. She just didn't
want to question what she was raised with at all. I was worried that that
attitude would come into play in her parenting (her first baby is just 8
weeks old) but I am happy to say that she is reading the attachment
parenting books I gave her (and she likes them) and beginning to use the
sling I gave her. (and she likes it) I kept telling her not to buy a crib
(at least not at first) but she insisted that she'd never be comfortable
sleeping with her baby and she had my dad build her a beautiful one. He's
been in her bed since day 2. ;0) I mentioned it to her and she says that
someday he'll probably use that crib. I wonder how or when someday will
come. I suspect it won't, but one day at a time. I am so thankful that she
is open to questioning the norm finally. Yeah!!