Mary

Just wondering about something. Those of you who don't vaccinate for chicken pox and hasn't had a child get them, does there come a time when you expose them if you can?

Is there an age when you try to have them get it if possible or just live and see what happens on it's own?

My kids aren't vaccinated and the younger 3 have never had chicken pox. In the next 6 months they will all be 10, 9 and 4. I seem to have an immunity although I was never tested. If I do have that immunity, my kids may have it also. My oldest has had them before the others were born. Someone I know of has a child with them now and I'm wondering about exposing them like I've heard people do while the kids are young.

Any thoughts?

Mary B

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Rhonda McDowell

My older daughter (13) had all her vaccines, but my younger (8) has not. They didn't require the chicken pox vaccine when the 13 year old was little, but I waited to get her naturally exposed, and she got them (mildly) in first grade, with only one faint pox scar on her cheek. My 8 year old still has not gotten them, probably because everyone has gotten vaccinated by now. I think I will go ahead and have her vaccinated, because my concern is that the older she gets, the likelier that she will come down with a more severe case that either causes severe scarring, or major health concerns. Medical people have warned me that they have seen cases come through their office of children who have died or been blinded by severe cases.

Hope that helps!

[email protected]

In a message dated 7/22/2004 1:35:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mummy124@... writes:

My kids aren't vaccinated and the younger 3 have never had chicken pox. In
the next 6 months they will all be 10, 9 and 4. I seem to have an immunity
although I was never tested. If I do have that immunity, my kids may have it
also. My oldest has had them before the others were born. Someone I know of has
a child with them now and I'm wondering about exposing them like I've heard
people do while the kids are young.<<<

I had them at 13. I could not have been more miserable!

I had them on the soles of my feet, the palms of my hands, in my mouth, and
in my vagina. Hundreds and hundreds of them.

My brother had them just after I did----he counted 79!

Cameron had them at 5. Duncan hasn't been vaccinated for them and hasn't had
them yet. I'd love to find a kid with the pox and do it soon, but at the
same time, I'd hate for him to be as sick as I was.

~Kelly







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Marie

I was in 4th or 5th grade when I had them, it wasn't bad at all. Actually
there was no itching or scarring. My brother, 5 years younger than I, had
them a few days later and he didn't have any problems either. I'd try to
expose them between ages 6-10 probably, there seems to be less problems that
way. My oldest two are 7.5 and 9, and I have not been able to expose them
yet! Kids aren't getting chicken pox much anymore these days. (if anyone
found out you intentionally exposed them to it there could be trouble)
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary [mailto:mummy124@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] OT chicken pox


Just wondering about something. Those of you who don't vaccinate for chicken
pox and hasn't had a child get them, does there come a time when you expose
them if you can?

Is there an age when you try to have them get it if possible or just live
and see what happens on it's own?

My kids aren't vaccinated and the younger 3 have never had chicken pox. In
the next 6 months they will all be 10, 9 and 4. I seem to have an immunity
although I was never tested. If I do have that immunity, my kids may have it
also. My oldest has had them before the others were born. Someone I know of
has a child with them now and I'm wondering about exposing them like I've
heard people do while the kids are young.

Any thoughts?

Mary B

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nellebelle

A friend's baby had them as a toddler and had a really bad case - had them
even in his mouth and throat. I don't think age is the only factor in how
bad or how mild an individual's case will be.

The neighbor's kids had them twice, which is not supposed to happen. First
time very mild then more severe the second time.

My kids (11 & 9) haven't had them or the vaccine. My mom says my siblings
and I all had very mild cases.

When my first child was a toddler, I asked our pediatrician when I should
expose her to chicken pox- as many of the moms I knew at the time spoke of
this as something you are supposed to do! He said not to expose on purpose
because you never know which child will have that rare, life threatening
case. (One doc's opinion.)

OTH, kids can be contagious in the hours or days before spots break out - so
can expose others before they even know they have them.

Mary Ellen
----- Original Message ----- > I had them at 13. I could not have been more
miserable!
>
> I had them on the soles of my feet, the palms of my hands, in my mouth,
and
> in my vagina. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
>
> My brother had them just after I did----he counted 79!

cheryl

Yow, we're at the near end of them now. It's been fifteen days. Daughter
(11) has a mild case, son (14), very bad. Everywhere, including one eye
that turned very red. I didn't vaccinate for chicken pox. But... my son
really suffered. He's just now mostly scabbed over. Now that the dangerous
time has passed, I'm tryng to keep his face from scarring. My daughter's
so skin-sensitive that I have to cut the tags out of her t-shirts. She
couldn't let anything touch her skin for a week, including her hair. Thank
goodness her's was a milder case. I don't even want to hear about catching
it twice! By the way, they caught them from their dad, who caught it from
his dad who had shingles.
Yes, you can catch chicken pox from someone with shingles!

Cheryl N, who mostly just lurks and absorbs

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary" <mummy124@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] OT chicken pox


> Just wondering about something. Those of you who don't vaccinate for
chicken pox and hasn't had a child get them, does there come a time when you
expose them if you can?
>
> Is there an age when you try to have them get it if possible or just live
and see what happens on it's own?
>
> My kids aren't vaccinated and the younger 3 have never had chicken pox. In
the next 6 months they will all be 10, 9 and 4. I seem to have an immunity
although I was never tested. If I do have that immunity, my kids may have it
also. My oldest has had them before the others were born. Someone I know of
has a child with them now and I'm wondering about exposing them like I've
heard people do while the kids are young.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Mary B

Have a Nice Day!

I deliberately exposed my youngest last year. And STILL she did not get them!

I was 7 months pregnant with her when the other two each got them. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

I also vaguely recall her having 1 or 2 pox but not being sure if thats what they were, when she was an infant. Perhaps she is already immune.

I"m going to have her titer checked before vaccinating. And I probably won't vaccinate until she hits the age of about 12.

Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: Marie
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: [UnschoolingDiscussion] OT chicken pox


I was in 4th or 5th grade when I had them, it wasn't bad at all. Actually
there was no itching or scarring. My brother, 5 years younger than I, had
them a few days later and he didn't have any problems either. I'd try to
expose them between ages 6-10 probably, there seems to be less problems that
way. My oldest two are 7.5 and 9, and I have not been able to expose them
yet! Kids aren't getting chicken pox much anymore these days. (if anyone
found out you intentionally exposed them to it there could be trouble)
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary [mailto:mummy124@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] OT chicken pox


Just wondering about something. Those of you who don't vaccinate for chicken
pox and hasn't had a child get them, does there come a time when you expose
them if you can?

Is there an age when you try to have them get it if possible or just live
and see what happens on it's own?

My kids aren't vaccinated and the younger 3 have never had chicken pox. In
the next 6 months they will all be 10, 9 and 4. I seem to have an immunity
although I was never tested. If I do have that immunity, my kids may have it
also. My oldest has had them before the others were born. Someone I know of
has a child with them now and I'm wondering about exposing them like I've
heard people do while the kids are young.

Any thoughts?

Mary B

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eriksmama2001

We had this issue/opportunity come up just before my son turned
three. He in non-vaccinated. I would prefer that he get a natural-
born exposure to the chicken pox in childhood. Obviously this is the
safest, healthiest way to endure them. Especially since the vaccine
WEARS OFF in some unknown number of years leaving the "vaccinated"
child dangerously older!

We had several issues however. My husband was not SURE that he had
the pox in childhood. He thought there may have been a pox or two. We
had him tested immediatedly to determine his risk of exposure. IF HE
HAD NOT BEEN IMMUNE, IT WOULD BE VERY DANGEROUS FOR HIM (AT 45Y/O) TO
LIVE WITH A CHILD WITH CHICKEN POX. The longer/greater the exposure
the worse the case of pox is. We co-sleep. This meant he could choose
to live elsewhere while our son had the pox (basically two weeks) or
choose to get a limited exposure AT THE SAME TIME, if we chose to
expose our son. Then my husband's case of pox would be more likely to
be less severe than it would be from our son exposing him
closely/greatly. (Basically, the first person in a houshold has a
less severe case, subsequent people in the same household have worse
cases due to duration of exposure.)

Another issue is consent. This is one of the reasons we do not
vaccinate in the first place. The risks of vaccine exposure is
uncertain, knowingly injecting toxins in our child with some
assumed/questionable benefits did not allow our child to choose this
risk for himself.

All the documentation on autism and vaccines is profound but
unresolved. But the horrible history of the vaccine SYSTEM making
vaccines safer YEARS after the manufactures KNOW the vaccines and
their ingredients are toxic is fraudulent at best. And the system
requires no ACCOUNTABILITY on the manufactures part. The manufactures
of vaccines are legally immune from lawsuits due to this fraudulent
system. Unfortunately, pediatricians are only superficially aware of
the lack of recourse that families damaged by vaccines have.

Check out the government site VAERS. It is the vaccine adverse
effects reporting system. It documents the billions of dollars that
the government, not the manufactures have paid due to CHILDREN
DAMAGED BY VACCINES. The government actively encourages vaccines, but
at children's expense.

Off my soap box.

My husband had immunities. We decided we would wait until our son was
able to understand the risks, in simple terms, and choose for himself
whether he wanted to be exposed. I considered this the same issue of
consent that kept me from vaccinating him in the first place. My
awareness of the details allows me to attempt to give him an
objective understanding of the risks/benefits.

Agreed, he is allowed the same choice with vaccines theoretically.
But the horrible history of the vaccine system can not be expressed
objectively.

Mind you, I am a health professional with nearly twenty years of
experience and read volumes of data related to this decision before
and after our son was born.

Pat




--- In [email protected], "Mary" <mummy124@b...>
wrote:
> Just wondering about something. Those of you who don't vaccinate
for chicken pox and hasn't had a child get them, does there come a
time when you expose them if you can?
>
> Is there an age when you try to have them get it if possible or
just live and see what happens on it's own?
>
> My kids aren't vaccinated and the younger 3 have never had chicken
pox. In the next 6 months they will all be 10, 9 and 4. I seem to
have an immunity although I was never tested. If I do have that
immunity, my kids may have it also. My oldest has had them before the
others were born. Someone I know of has a child with them now and I'm
wondering about exposing them like I've heard people do while the
kids are young.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Mary B
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

eriksmama2001

Try the essential oil lavender. Heals and protects raw wounds.

pat

--- In [email protected], "cheryl"
<cnorthey@c...> wrote:
> Yow, we're at the near end of them now. It's been fifteen days.
Daughter
> (11) has a mild case, son (14), very bad. Everywhere, including
one eye
> that turned very red. I didn't vaccinate for chicken pox. But...
my son
> really suffered. He's just now mostly scabbed over. Now that the
dangerous
> time has passed, I'm tryng to keep his face from scarring. My
daughter's
> so skin-sensitive that I have to cut the tags out of her t-shirts.
She
> couldn't let anything touch her skin for a week, including her
hair. Thank
> goodness her's was a milder case. I don't even want to hear about
catching
> it twice! By the way, they caught them from their dad, who caught
it from
> his dad who had shingles.
> Yes, you can catch chicken pox from someone with shingles!
>
> Cheryl N, who mostly just lurks and absorbs
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary" <mummy124@b...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:32 PM
> Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] OT chicken pox
>
>
> > Just wondering about something. Those of you who don't vaccinate
for
> chicken pox and hasn't had a child get them, does there come a time
when you
> expose them if you can?
> >
> > Is there an age when you try to have them get it if possible or
just live
> and see what happens on it's own?
> >
> > My kids aren't vaccinated and the younger 3 have never had
chicken pox. In
> the next 6 months they will all be 10, 9 and 4. I seem to have an
immunity
> although I was never tested. If I do have that immunity, my kids
may have it
> also. My oldest has had them before the others were born. Someone I
know of
> has a child with them now and I'm wondering about exposing them
like I've
> heard people do while the kids are young.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Mary B

[email protected]

When the vaccine was first widely released I discussed it with our physician,
who was very suspicious of the vaccine. His recommendation then was to wait
and that if the kids got through puberty without having chicken pox to then do
the vaccine. So we waited, and we deliberately exposed a few times but never
caught, and then one day my oldest daughter woke up beside a friend who'd
broken out in (unexpected) pox overnight and that was that.

Deborah


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cheryl

Thanks, I'll try that.
Cheryl N

From: "eriksmama2001" <scubamama@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: OT chicken pox


> Try the essential oil lavender. Heals and protects raw wounds.
>
> pat

[email protected]

Hi again all... one thing I hadn't seen mentioned on this subject, is that
even children vaccinated for chicken pox can still break out with them. My son
was not vaccinated and had (I'd say) a normal case of them around 17 months.
He had 2 infected ones that left scars on his back, but otherwise got through
them without incident.
My daughter, on the other hand, was vaccinated, and only because her
pediatrician told me it was mandatory and that I had to do it. Being a bit naive and
not checking into it, I agreed against my will. HOWEVER, she still wound up
with a mild case of them around 2 years old. I later found out that this is
rather common and regret bothering with the vaccinating even more.

Emily


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Dana Matt

I had them when I was 18, and I had a very mild case.
I caught them from my brother who was 11, and he had
quite a bad case. He was actually seen by a dr. who
took puss samples to put on a popcicle for his
children (EWWWW!!!) because he said if you caught it
from someone with a bad case, you tended to have a
mild case, and vice-versa, and with us it held true.
I certainly didn't wish I had had them earlier--at 18
I was vain enough not to scratch for fear of scarring,
and if I were younger I probably wouldn't have ;)

My kids are 12 and 6 and haven't been vaccinated for
anything, and haven't caught anything, either...

HTH--
Dana
in Montana

--- Mary <mummy124@...> wrote:
> Just wondering about something. Those of you who
> don't vaccinate for chicken pox and hasn't had a
> child get them, does there come a time when you
> expose them if you can?
>
> Is there an age when you try to have them get it if
> possible or just live and see what happens on it's
> own?
>
> My kids aren't vaccinated and the younger 3 have
> never had chicken pox. In the next 6 months they
> will all be 10, 9 and 4. I seem to have an immunity
> although I was never tested. If I do have that
> immunity, my kids may have it also. My oldest has
> had them before the others were born. Someone I know
> of has a child with them now and I'm wondering about
> exposing them like I've heard people do while the
> kids are young.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Mary B
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We don't vax for anything. I'd much prefer they be exposed to chickenpox, as well as mumps and measles -- if such a thing were actually possible.

My oldest had chickenpox at age 3, when you could still find 'wild' chickenpox. Now, if a child has chickenpox, it's likely he got it from the vax strain, either his own shots or being exposed to some other child who was recently vaccinated. I've heard some real horror stories of cases of the pox caused by the vax, so I'm not sure how well that would fit with my plan.

For Andy, who's 8, we had the chance 2 summers ago to expose him when a friend's kids had chickenpox. Unfortunately, he was scheduled to travel to Hawaii with his grandparents two weeks later, so it would have been a really irresponsible time for me to expose him, and by association everyone he came into contact with on a plane. As well, our entire household (except me) had recently survived a nasty virus that landed our Dan, then 17 mos, in the hospital with unexplained seizures. I've always suspected that illness was the result of exposure at a playground (counting backwards the incubation period we had), perhaps even a recently vaxed child. Since then, I've begun to think maybe only after Dan's 5yo.

If the boys reach late adolescence without ever having had pox, mumps, or measles, I'll explain to them the risks of childhood diseases in adulthood and leave it to them to decide if they'd like to be vaxed. In spite of the recent media coverage, it's currently not safe (or possible) to be vaxed for whooping cough after age 7, so it's a non-issue in adulthood.

Personally, I survived both measles, mumps (5x) and chickenpox, with no lasting effects. Both my parents and all their siblings (11 kids total, living poor in Okla & West VA) survived those plus whooping cough (pertussis). My Mom survived polio as a nursing infant, with no lasting effects. I'm not terribly worried about them being unvaxed, but I'd be happier if they had the opportunity to acquire natural lifelong immunities to the childhood illnesses.

Syl

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joylyn

Where is this family, I'd love to take my children to go visit them.

Joylyn

Mary wrote:

> Just wondering about something. Those of you who don't vaccinate for
> chicken pox and hasn't had a child get them, does there come a time
> when you expose them if you can?
>
> Is there an age when you try to have them get it if possible or just
> live and see what happens on it's own?
>
> My kids aren't vaccinated and the younger 3 have never had chicken
> pox. In the next 6 months they will all be 10, 9 and 4. I seem to have
> an immunity although I was never tested. If I do have that immunity,
> my kids may have it also. My oldest has had them before the others
> were born. Someone I know of has a child with them now and I'm
> wondering about exposing them like I've heard people do while the kids
> are young.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Mary B
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eriksmama2001

The chicken pox vaccine is a live virus and one can contract chicken
pox from newly vaccinated children also. Be VERY cautious not to
receive live virus vaccines with any type of illness or fever. The
manufactures drug insert and CDC caution against this strongly.


Pat

+i--- In [email protected], MomandMe2@a... wrote:
> Hi again all... one thing I hadn't seen mentioned on this subject,
is that
> even children vaccinated for chicken pox can still break out with
them. My son
> was not vaccinated and had (I'd say) a normal case of them around
17 months.
> He had 2 infected ones that left scars on his back, but otherwise
got through
> them without incident.
> My daughter, on the other hand, was vaccinated, and only because
her
> pediatrician told me it was mandatory and that I had to do it.
Being a bit naive and
> not checking into it, I agreed against my will. HOWEVER, she still
wound up
> with a mild case of them around 2 years old. I later found out
that this is
> rather common and regret bothering with the vaccinating even more.
>
> Emily
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[email protected]

In a message dated 7/22/2004 8:37:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
scubamama@... writes:

The chicken pox vaccine is a live virus and one can contract chicken
pox from newly vaccinated children also. Be VERY cautious not to
receive live virus vaccines with any type of illness or fever. The
manufactures drug insert and CDC caution against this strongly.<<<<


This seems very odd. Generally the only place you can get the vaccine is
doctors' offices, right?

And the place you go with an illness or fever is the doctor's office, right?

Healthy children walk in to get the vaccine which is then transferred to the
sick kid next door?

I guess the caution isn't THAT strong! <G>

~Kelly








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eriksmama2001

Yes, it could be terribly dangerous for someone on steroids or other
immunosuppressants to be on the plane with chicken pox.

The only polio in our hemisphere for over 40 years has been VACCINE
acquired polio until the Dominican Republic found a few cases in the
past 5 years. If you are traveling there be causious of fecal
contaminated food. Duh. The oral polio vaccine gives polio to many
people every year.

The risk of whooping cough to children over two is generally marginal.

See the CDC site; order the "pink book". Read the CDC's statistics,
they are hardly convincing of the benefits of vaccination when you do
the math yourself. The risks of getting hit by lightening are greater
than many of the risks of acquiring the diseases. Because first you
have to get the
disease.

Pat

--- In [email protected], Sylvia Toyama
<sylgt04@y...> wrote:
> We don't vax for anything. I'd much prefer they be exposed to
chickenpox, as well as mumps and measles -- if such a thing were
actually possible.
>
> My oldest had chickenpox at age 3, when you could still find 'wild'
chickenpox. Now, if a child has chickenpox, it's likely he got it
from the vax strain, either his own shots or being exposed to some
other child who was recently vaccinated. I've heard some real horror
stories of cases of the pox caused by the vax, so I'm not sure how
well that would fit with my plan.
>
> For Andy, who's 8, we had the chance 2 summers ago to expose him
when a friend's kids had chickenpox. Unfortunately, he was scheduled
to travel to Hawaii with his grandparents two weeks later, so it
would have been a really irresponsible time for me to expose him, and
by association everyone he came into contact with on a plane. As
well, our entire household (except me) had recently survived a nasty
virus that landed our Dan, then 17 mos, in the hospital with
unexplained seizures. I've always suspected that illness was the
result of exposure at a playground (counting backwards the incubation
period we had), perhaps even a recently vaxed child. Since then,
I've begun to think maybe only after Dan's 5yo.
>
> If the boys reach late adolescence without ever having had pox,
mumps, or measles, I'll explain to them the risks of childhood
diseases in adulthood and leave it to them to decide if they'd like
to be vaxed. In spite of the recent media coverage, it's currently
not safe (or possible) to be vaxed for whooping cough after age 7, so
it's a non-issue in adulthood.
>
> Personally, I survived both measles, mumps (5x) and chickenpox,
with no lasting effects. Both my parents and all their siblings (11
kids total, living poor in Okla & West VA) survived those plus
whooping cough (pertussis). My Mom survived polio as a nursing
infant, with no lasting effects. I'm not terribly worried about them
being unvaxed, but I'd be happier if they had the opportunity to
acquire natural lifelong immunities to the childhood illnesses.
>
> Syl
>
> *******
>
> does there come a time when you expose them if you can?
> Is there an age when you try to have them get it if possible or
just live and see what happens on it's own?
>
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From: "joylyn" <joylyn@...>


> Where is this family, I'd love to take my children to go visit them.



LOL!! South Florida

Mary B

eriksmama2001

There is an incubation period after receiving the vaccine before one
becomes potentially contageous.

But you are correct, the most concentrated number of children with
illnesses are in pediatrican's offices. We avoid the doctor's office
like the plague. lol Trying to keep a toddler from touching
everything with germs on it is major stress for an nurse/mom.


Pat

--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/22/2004 8:37:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> scubamama@e... writes:
>
> The chicken pox vaccine is a live virus and one can contract
chicken
> pox from newly vaccinated children also. Be VERY cautious not to
> receive live virus vaccines with any type of illness or fever. The
> manufactures drug insert and CDC caution against this strongly.<<<<
>
>
> This seems very odd. Generally the only place you can get the
vaccine is
> doctors' offices, right?
>
> And the place you go with an illness or fever is the doctor's
office, right?
>
> Healthy children walk in to get the vaccine which is then
transferred to the
> sick kid next door?
>
> I guess the caution isn't THAT strong! <G>
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> ~Kelly
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joylyn

well, that's a bit far...

Joylyn (in california)

Mary wrote:

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> LOL!! South Florida
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Have a Nice Day!

See the CDC site; order the "pink book". Read the CDC's statistics,
they are hardly convincing of the benefits of vaccination when you do
the math yourself. The risks of getting hit by lightening are greater
than many of the risks of acquiring the diseases. Because first you
have to get the
disease.


I'm not pro-vax, but one could argue that the risk is nil *because* most people are vax'd.

Kristen


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joylyn

Have a Nice Day! wrote:

> See the CDC site; order the "pink book". Read the CDC's statistics,
> they are hardly convincing of the benefits of vaccination when you do
> the math yourself. The risks of getting hit by lightening are greater
> than many of the risks of acquiring the diseases. Because first you
> have to get the
> disease.
>
>
> I'm not pro-vax, but one could argue that the risk is nil *because*
> most people are vax'd.

Unless you go to another country, where people are not vax'd.

We selectively vaccinate and do so later. One thing I read was that the
reason for the schedule has nothing to do with when it is best for
children to get the specific vacinations, but instead it is because most
parents will bring their infants in to the doctor but not their older
children.

I think most people do just give whatever vaccinations the doctor
recommends without asking any questions. I think that is sad.

Joylyn

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eriksmama2001

Actually this myth is addressed with well documented research by Neil
Z. Miller in a concise book Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and
Effective? ISBN #1-881217-10-8.

There has been a natural decline in vaccine illness for many decades
preceding the initiation of vaccines with cyclical but lessening
outbreaks. The advent of healthier diets, stable economics and
improved hygiene are the main causes. The medical assumption that the
vaccines are responsible is not supported by the history of these
diseases.

Pat


--- In [email protected], "Have a Nice Day!"
<litlrooh@e...> wrote:
> See the CDC site; order the "pink book". Read the CDC's statistics,
> they are hardly convincing of the benefits of vaccination when you
do
> the math yourself. The risks of getting hit by lightening are
greater
> than many of the risks of acquiring the diseases. Because first
you
> have to get the
> disease.
>
>
> I'm not pro-vax, but one could argue that the risk is nil *because*
most people are vax'd.
>
> Kristen
>
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eriksmama2001

Again, you have to look at the mode of transmission, the age of
infected people, the frequency of severe illness, the hygeine of the
area one is visiting. One can choose to be responsible for making
informed health care choices or assume the risks of their lack of
knowledge. Vaccines have well documented and serious risks.

Pat


--- In [email protected], joylyn <joylyn@e...>
wrote:
>
>
> Have a Nice Day! wrote:
>
> > See the CDC site; order the "pink book". Read the CDC's
statistics,
> > they are hardly convincing of the benefits of vaccination when
you do
> > the math yourself. The risks of getting hit by lightening are
greater
> > than many of the risks of acquiring the diseases. Because first
you
> > have to get the
> > disease.
> >
> >
> > I'm not pro-vax, but one could argue that the risk is nil
*because*
> > most people are vax'd.
>
> Unless you go to another country, where people are not vax'd.
>
> We selectively vaccinate and do so later. One thing I read was
that the
> reason for the schedule has nothing to do with when it is best for
> children to get the specific vacinations, but instead it is because
most
> parents will bring their infants in to the doctor but not their
older
> children.
>
> I think most people do just give whatever vaccinations the doctor
> recommends without asking any questions. I think that is sad.
>
> Joylyn
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Also, some vaccines take 6 weeks to 6 months to be "protected"
according to the medical research. Also, when traveling and choosing
to assault one's immune system with multiple vaccines at once you are
compromising your ability to fight common but potentially serious
illnesses you may be exposed to, for which there are no vaccines.

Pat

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<scubamama@e...> wrote:
> Again, you have to look at the mode of transmission, the age of
> infected people, the frequency of severe illness, the hygeine of
the
> area one is visiting. One can choose to be responsible for making
> informed health care choices or assume the risks of their lack of
> knowledge. Vaccines have well documented and serious risks.
>
> Pat
>
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> --- In [email protected], joylyn <joylyn@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Have a Nice Day! wrote:
> >
> > > See the CDC site; order the "pink book". Read the CDC's
> statistics,
> > > they are hardly convincing of the benefits of vaccination when
> you do
> > > the math yourself. The risks of getting hit by lightening are
> greater
> > > than many of the risks of acquiring the diseases. Because
first
> you
> > > have to get the
> > > disease.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not pro-vax, but one could argue that the risk is nil
> *because*
> > > most people are vax'd.
> >
> > Unless you go to another country, where people are not vax'd.
> >
> > We selectively vaccinate and do so later. One thing I read was
> that the
> > reason for the schedule has nothing to do with when it is best
for
> > children to get the specific vacinations, but instead it is
because
> most
> > parents will bring their infants in to the doctor but not their
> older
> > children.
> >
> > I think most people do just give whatever vaccinations the doctor
> > recommends without asking any questions. I think that is sad.
> >
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eriksmama2001 wrote:

> Again, you have to look at the mode of transmission, the age of
> infected people, the frequency of severe illness, the hygeine of the
> area one is visiting. One can choose to be responsible for making
> informed health care choices or assume the risks of their lack of
> knowledge. Vaccines have well documented and serious risks.

Very well said, Pat. This was my point but you said it better.

I think it's about informed choice. Parents need to make an informed
decision about parenting, including medical decisions.

Joylyn

Sang

--- In [email protected], "Have a Nice Day!"
<litlrooh@e...> wrote:

>
> I'm not pro-vax, but one could argue that the risk is nil *because*
most people are vax'd.
>
> Kristen


There have been studies done that would nix that theory, actually.
There are at least 2 countries that don't have *mandatory* vaccines,
and their vaccination rate is much, much lower than here, (I think
England and Austrailia?) and yet, their disease factor is about the
same as ours. Also, there is a good deal of evidence that shows
diseases in decline before there were vaccines available. They site
cleanliness, better eating habbits and better general overall health
and healthcare as reasons for the decline.

Peace,
Sang