Diana/Donnie Kline

well,here it was a GOD send,they even rode with me and my daughter to have her committed when she attempted suicide..so they have done alot for me,and the kids even dread 5th grade (which is the end of DARE) here..then they have a t-shirt graduation,and my 11 year old was in tears..she goes running for a hug when she sees her DARE officer in a store or on the street..I guess some are good,some aren't mine was great here..hugs,Diana

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In a message dated 7/17/2004 SandraDodd@... writes:
The DARE program here isn't very well respected. I don't know if that's
local, regional or universal.





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mamaaj2000

I remember Reason Magazine slamming it several years ago:
http://reason.com/9503/fe.DARE.text.shtml

and an update at:
http://reason.com/9703/ci.ng.dare.shtml

--- In [email protected], Cornerstone Community
Farm <joyfullife@m...> wrote:
> On Saturday 17 July 2004 09:24 pm, Diana/Donnie Kline wrote:
> > n a message dated 7/17/2004 SandraDodd@a... writes:
> > The DARE program here isn't very well respected. I don't know
if
> > that's local, regional or universal.
>
> Research I've seen suggests that the DARE drug program and sex ed
> classes actually increase drug and sex use.
> Related to undermining the family with socialism...
> Keith

Kelly Muzyczka

>Research I've seen suggests that the DARE drug program and sex ed
>classes actually increase drug and sex use.
>Related to undermining the family with socialism...
>Keith

Would you mind citing your sources? Not that I'm a big fan of these
programs, but socialism seems like a fairly broad brush.

Kelly

Cornerstone Community Farm

On Saturday 17 July 2004 09:24 pm, Diana/Donnie Kline wrote:
> n a message dated 7/17/2004 SandraDodd@... writes:
> The DARE program here isn't very well respected. I don't know if
> that's local, regional or universal.

Research I've seen suggests that the DARE drug program and sex ed
classes actually increase drug and sex use.
Related to undermining the family with socialism...
Keith

[email protected]

-=-I remember Reason Magazine slamming it several years ago:

http://reason.com/9503/fe.DARE.text.shtml


-=-and an update at:

http://reason.com/9703/ci.ng.dare.shtml-=-

I've heard various complaints from kids and parents and teachers about the
program. But none of their complaints led to THIS conclusion:

<< > Related to undermining the family with socialism... >>

Some families suck.
Socialized programs and services aren't going to hurt any existing, whole,
strong families.
Kids whose families such could use some other input and assistance.

-=-> Research I've seen suggests that the DARE drug program and sex ed

> classes actually increase drug and sex use.-=-

I wasn't talking about sex ed and to combine those two together smacks more
of religion and politics than of science or research.

Honestly.

I had an aunt of cousins a little younger than I was, and in the late 60's
she was all a-rant about sex education coming to the public schools in Colorado
Springs. She wouldn't shut up. She was organizing parents against it, noise,
noise, rant-o-rama.

So she went to a meeting and heard the proponents of sex education speak.
For the first time, she actually heard their justifications instead of the
Nazarene and Baptist voices in her head. And in an amazing turnaround, she
became a supporter and defender of the program, and a volunteer.

Sandra

Cornerstone Community Farm

> I've heard various complaints from kids and parents and teachers
> about the program. But none of their complaints led to THIS
> conclusion:
>
> << > Related to undermining the family with socialism... >>

Check out John Taylor Gatto and perhaps thousands of other writers on
this subject.
Because schooling is a great big experiment rather than the 3 R's is a
significant reason many people homeschool...and unschoolers in
particular.

>
> Some families suck.

By whose standards?
Some people may think my family "sucks", and others may think yours
does.

> Socialized programs and services aren't going to hurt any existing,
> whole, strong families.
> Kids whose families such could use some other input and assistance.

And who decides who needs "assistance"????

Read these two U.S. Supreme Court decisions for a quick easy read on the
primacy of the family:
State (WI) v. Yoder
Troxel v. Granville (2000) re hashes Yoder and ADDS strength

>
> -=-> Research I've seen suggests that the DARE drug program and sex
> ed
>
> > classes actually increase drug and sex use.-=-
>
> I wasn't talking about sex ed and to combine those two together
> smacks more of religion and politics than of science or research.
>
> Honestly.

How so?

Check out Boston College's professor William Kilpatrick and his book Why
Johnny Can't tell right from wrong. His book and further research at
the library or web should come up with plenty of resources.
The REASON mag source cited by mammaj2000 is excellent......
>
> I had an aunt of cousins a little younger than I was, and in the late
> 60's she was all a-rant about sex education coming to the public
> schools in Colorado Springs. She wouldn't shut up. She was
> organizing parents against it, noise, noise, rant-o-rama.
>
> So she went to a meeting and heard the proponents of sex education
> speak. For the first time, she actually heard their justifications
> instead of the Nazarene and Baptist voices in her head. And in an
> amazing turnaround, she became a supporter and defender of the
> program, and a volunteer.

60's?!!????
I would state that many "sex ed" teachers from the 60's would be
appalled at the "modern" curriculum.
Further,
People are convinced to make the wrong decision routinely...in all areas
of life...depends more on peer pressure or marketing than critical
thinking....