Sonia Ulan

Hi Christine!

We may be having to face a move and I am concerned. Here in
Saskatchewan things seem pretty open/progressive where homeschooling is
concerned. There's minimal contact/interference from the school board.
No testing, no real expectations etc. There's a good chance we could
move to Ontario and I was wondering if you could share with me what I
might expect there in terms of unschooling priveleges. My children are
10, 7 and 1 and a half.

Thanks for your help!

And, by the way, just HOW bad is the cost of living in T.O. nowadays?
What does a basic, 2-3 bedroom home in a fairly decent neighbourhood go
for outside of the city? (within a manageable commute?)

Sonia in Saskatoon



cacarter@... wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm a newbie, and I've been lurking for about 1 week, but I felt I had
> to come on line to talk to the woman who wants to find work and homeschool.
> I run a small school/daycare at my home, and it would support me and my
> two kids, if I had a smaller mortgage, dh is helping to take care of that.
>
> You would have to look into the regulations where you are, Here in
> Toronto, I am allowed to take in up to 5 children legally INCLUDING MY OWN
> KIDS. I am able to get about $200/week per child, so living frugally, that
> would be managable. Toronto has a fairly high cost of living, but I can
> also charge more. You woud have to phone around other care givers in your
> neighbourhood. It does have a real impact on how much outside activity you
> can do, as I don't have a car, and wouldn't feel comfortable driving other
> people's kids, but there are always evenings and weekends. I also have
> heard of people who offer to homeschool other people's kids for a fee,
> which may be viable for you. It also means you would get older kids.
> Before and after school care is also an option, and not so time consuming.
>
> I may as well introduce myself now. My name is christine, and I have two
> little girls, 4 and 1. I am by profession a Montessori teacher, hence my
> current occupation. We are unschooling my children, and it I have found it
> amazing to look at Maria Montessori's writings from that unschooling angle.
> As I am sure many of you out there have already firgured out, thee isn't
> alot of difference.
> Gotta go make dinner. Good luck with finding work that will help you out.
>
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Pris

welcome Christine ...

day care is a great suggestion ... several moms in our h-s group do this and
it seems to work for them ... I think their motto is *organize, organize,
organize* but it can be done and as far as I can tell, their own dch haven't
dropped out of their extracurricular activities ...

Pris



----- Original Message -----
From: <cacarter@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 6:03 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work


> Hi, I'm a newbie, and I've been lurking for about 1 week, but I felt I had
> to come on line to talk to the woman who wants to find work and
homeschool.
> I run a small school/daycare at my home, and it would support me and my
> two kids, if I had a smaller mortgage, dh is helping to take care of that.
>
> You would have to look into the regulations where you are, Here in
> Toronto, I am allowed to take in up to 5 children legally INCLUDING MY OWN
> KIDS. I am able to get about $200/week per child, so living frugally,
that
> would be managable. Toronto has a fairly high cost of living, but I can
> also charge more. You woud have to phone around other care givers in your
> neighbourhood. It does have a real impact on how much outside activity
you
> can do, as I don't have a car, and wouldn't feel comfortable driving other
> people's kids, but there are always evenings and weekends. I also have
> heard of people who offer to homeschool other people's kids for a fee,
> which may be viable for you. It also means you would get older kids.
> Before and after school care is also an option, and not so time consuming.
>
>
> I may as well introduce myself now. My name is christine, and I have two
> little girls, 4 and 1. I am by profession a Montessori teacher, hence my
> current occupation. We are unschooling my children, and it I have found
it
> amazing to look at Maria Montessori's writings from that unschooling
angle.
> As I am sure many of you out there have already firgured out, thee isn't
> alot of difference.
> Gotta go make dinner. Good luck with finding work that will help you out.
>
>
>
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Debra Caruso

My reason for not doing this was ,I have raised 4 sons,it was great but
exhausting and lots of work.I have been a mom since age 18.The last
thing i want to do is have other peoples children to take care of.I wil
be happy to be there for my grandkids when they arrive someday.....debra
in VA

Amy wrote:
>
> i know the day care solution works well for a lot of people. i have my
> degree in early childhood ed and woked in center based situations for years,
> so i know i'm well suited for child care. however, now that i'm home i have
> some concerns. The first is that now i'm my own boss, i don't need to worry
> about keeping up with other's standards. My house can be messy and no one
> cares, etc. The second is being tied down. A lot of parents are
> uncomfortable havimg there kids driven around. i don't neccessarily think
> this is a bad thing, but we're on the go from morning to night. And, even if
> hte parents don't mind that there's still the issue of having to be home by
> 4 or 5 pm. I guess i'm just not in a place in my life where this would wok
> for me.
> Amy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cacarter@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:03 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
>
> > Hi, I'm a newbie, and I've been lurking for about 1 week, but I felt I had
> > to come on line to talk to the woman who wants to find work and
> homeschool.
> > I run a small school/daycare at my home, and it would support me and my
> > two kids, if I had a smaller mortgage, dh is helping to take care of that.
> >
> > You would have to look into the regulations where you are, Here in
> > Toronto, I am allowed to take in up to 5 children legally INCLUDING MY OWN
> > KIDS. I am able to get about $200/week per child, so living frugally,
> that
> > would be managable. Toronto has a fairly high cost of living, but I can
> > also charge more. You woud have to phone around other care givers in your
> > neighbourhood. It does have a real impact on how much outside activity
> you
> > can do, as I don't have a car, and wouldn't feel comfortable driving other
> > people's kids, but there are always evenings and weekends. I also have
> > heard of people who offer to homeschool other people's kids for a fee,
> > which may be viable for you. It also means you would get older kids.
> > Before and after school care is also an option, and not so time consuming.
> >
> >
> > I may as well introduce myself now. My name is christine, and I have two
> > little girls, 4 and 1. I am by profession a Montessori teacher, hence my
> > current occupation. We are unschooling my children, and it I have found
> it
> > amazing to look at Maria Montessori's writings from that unschooling
> angle.
> > As I am sure many of you out there have already firgured out, thee isn't
> > alot of difference.
> > Gotta go make dinner. Good luck with finding work that will help you out.
> >
> >
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Holly Atchison

Christine,

Thank you for your advice and ideas. I used to do daycare before I had my
own children but after my first was born I was absolutely clueless as to
what to do for a tiny baby. We were newly married and depending on military
doctors for help. Lili was loosing weight after her birth even though I was
breastfeeding and she ate all the time. Well I took her to the doctor a
lot and they never could figure out why she wasn't gaining weight but they
didn't do anything about it either. Like I said I was
clueless....anyhow...someone overheard me tell a friend about an argument
that John and I had and they reported us for neglect. (Dont ask how they
got to that conclusion I still dont know) We were ordered to bring Lili to
the same pediatrician that had seen her before and not done anything. This
time the doctor was very mean to me and accused me of starving my baby.
She poked and prodded at Lili and gave me a dirty look when SHE made my baby
cry. She ordered me to feed Lili right in front of her and I told her that
Lili had just eaten and wouldn't be hungry but she insisted. So I tried to
feed Lili and she didn't eat ...DUH. And that doctor had the nerve to tell
me that Lili had starved so much that she had lost the desire to eat!!!! (I
Still get so mad thinking about this!) So then I took Lili to Arkansas
Childrens Hospital and they looked at Lili and said that she was very
healthy and alert even though she was so tiny. They set me up with a
lactation doctor who ran tests on my milk and found that I had NO FAT at all
in my breastmilk. So she wrote a letter saying I had done nothing wrong and
what the problem was. Well.......The head of family advocacy said she
didn't like my attitude so they found us guilty regardless of the doctors
letter. (SORRY FOR THE LONG STORY)

Anyhow, that is now permanently on my record. That I was found guilty of
child neglect so I doubt I could do daycare again. I tried before Tacy was
born because I had been told that the case was unfounded but it turns out
that they DID find us guilty and never told us. I only found out when I
tried to be a daycare provider on the base. And they wouldn't let me. Boy
do I know how to make a short story long or what! Sorry everyone! =)

Thank you though for the advice. I appreciate it!

Holly


>From: cacarter@...
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:03:42 -0500
>
>Hi, I'm a newbie, and I've been lurking for about 1 week, but I felt I had
>to come on line to talk to the woman who wants to find work and homeschool.
>I run a small school/daycare at my home, and it would support me and my
>two kids, if I had a smaller mortgage, dh is helping to take care of that.
>
> You would have to look into the regulations where you are, Here in
>Toronto, I am allowed to take in up to 5 children legally INCLUDING MY OWN
>KIDS. I am able to get about $200/week per child, so living frugally, that
>would be managable. Toronto has a fairly high cost of living, but I can
>also charge more. You woud have to phone around other care givers in your
>neighbourhood. It does have a real impact on how much outside activity you
>can do, as I don't have a car, and wouldn't feel comfortable driving other
>people's kids, but there are always evenings and weekends. I also have
>heard of people who offer to homeschool other people's kids for a fee,
>which may be viable for you. It also means you would get older kids.
>Before and after school care is also an option, and not so time consuming.
>
>
>I may as well introduce myself now. My name is christine, and I have two
>little girls, 4 and 1. I am by profession a Montessori teacher, hence my
>current occupation. We are unschooling my children, and it I have found it
>amazing to look at Maria Montessori's writings from that unschooling angle.
>As I am sure many of you out there have already firgured out, thee isn't
>alot of difference.
>Gotta go make dinner. Good luck with finding work that will help you out.
>
>
>
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Amy

i know the day care solution works well for a lot of people. i have my
degree in early childhood ed and woked in center based situations for years,
so i know i'm well suited for child care. however, now that i'm home i have
some concerns. The first is that now i'm my own boss, i don't need to worry
about keeping up with other's standards. My house can be messy and no one
cares, etc. The second is being tied down. A lot of parents are
uncomfortable havimg there kids driven around. i don't neccessarily think
this is a bad thing, but we're on the go from morning to night. And, even if
hte parents don't mind that there's still the issue of having to be home by
4 or 5 pm. I guess i'm just not in a place in my life where this would wok
for me.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: <cacarter@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:03 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work


> Hi, I'm a newbie, and I've been lurking for about 1 week, but I felt I had
> to come on line to talk to the woman who wants to find work and
homeschool.
> I run a small school/daycare at my home, and it would support me and my
> two kids, if I had a smaller mortgage, dh is helping to take care of that.
>
> You would have to look into the regulations where you are, Here in
> Toronto, I am allowed to take in up to 5 children legally INCLUDING MY OWN
> KIDS. I am able to get about $200/week per child, so living frugally,
that
> would be managable. Toronto has a fairly high cost of living, but I can
> also charge more. You woud have to phone around other care givers in your
> neighbourhood. It does have a real impact on how much outside activity
you
> can do, as I don't have a car, and wouldn't feel comfortable driving other
> people's kids, but there are always evenings and weekends. I also have
> heard of people who offer to homeschool other people's kids for a fee,
> which may be viable for you. It also means you would get older kids.
> Before and after school care is also an option, and not so time consuming.
>
>
> I may as well introduce myself now. My name is christine, and I have two
> little girls, 4 and 1. I am by profession a Montessori teacher, hence my
> current occupation. We are unschooling my children, and it I have found
it
> amazing to look at Maria Montessori's writings from that unschooling
angle.
> As I am sure many of you out there have already firgured out, thee isn't
> alot of difference.
> Gotta go make dinner. Good luck with finding work that will help you out.
>
>
>
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In a message dated 6/21/00 9:04:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HollyAtch@... writes:

<< Anyhow, that is now permanently on my record. That I was found guilty of
child neglect so I doubt I could do daycare again. I tried before Tacy was
born because I had been told that the case was unfounded but it turns out
that they DID find us guilty and never told us. I only found out when I
tried to be a daycare provider on the base. And they wouldn't let me. Boy
do I know how to make a short story long or what! Sorry everyone! =) >>

boy, that really stinks!

Sonia Ulan

Gee, thanks for the tips "Buzz"! I really appreciate your resources.

Sonia


D Klement wrote:
>
> Sonia Ulan wrote:
> >
> > Hi Christine!
> >
> > We may be having to face a move and I am concerned. Here in
> > Saskatchewan things seem pretty open/progressive where homeschooling is
> > concerned. There's minimal contact/interference from the school board.
> > No testing, no real expectations etc. There's a good chance we could
> > move to Ontario and I was wondering if you could share with me what I
> > might expect there in terms of unschooling priveleges. My children are
> > 10, 7 and 1 and a half.
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > And, by the way, just HOW bad is the cost of living in T.O. nowadays?
> > What does a basic, 2-3 bedroom home in a fairly decent neighbourhood go
> > for outside of the city? (within a manageable commute?)
> >
> > Sonia in Saskatoon
> >
>
> Sonia, go to the Canadian homeschool and the OFTP (Ontario Federation of
> Teaching Parents <provincial hs support group>) pages listed in my
> signature and you can link up to the Ontario page and find out the regs
> for Ontario.
> In Ontario children are excused from compulsory attendance if they are
> receiving an adequate education at home or elsewhere ( elsewhere =
> private school ). This is in the education act for the province.
>
> Coming into Ontario you are at an advantage because the local board of
> education won't know of your children and you can avoid hassles this
> way.
>
> You DON'T have to register with the province or the local school board
> (although when they interpret the education act for themselves they may
> tell you a different story).
> The province has no legal right to make you register either and the
> education act is vague enough that it really supports the homeschooler
> rather than the province or school board.
>
> Buzz
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The Klement Family "Education is what survives when
> Darryl, Debbie, what has been learned has been
> Kathleen, Nathan & forgotten"
> Samantha B.F. Skinner in "New Scientist".
> e-mail- klement@...
> Canadian homeschool page: http:\\www.flora.org/homeschool-ca/
> Ont. Federation of Teaching Parents: http:\\www.flora.org/oftp/
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D Klement

Sonia Ulan wrote:
>
> Hi Christine!
>
> We may be having to face a move and I am concerned. Here in
> Saskatchewan things seem pretty open/progressive where homeschooling is
> concerned. There's minimal contact/interference from the school board.
> No testing, no real expectations etc. There's a good chance we could
> move to Ontario and I was wondering if you could share with me what I
> might expect there in terms of unschooling priveleges. My children are
> 10, 7 and 1 and a half.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> And, by the way, just HOW bad is the cost of living in T.O. nowadays?
> What does a basic, 2-3 bedroom home in a fairly decent neighbourhood go
> for outside of the city? (within a manageable commute?)
>
> Sonia in Saskatoon
>

Sonia, go to the Canadian homeschool and the OFTP (Ontario Federation of
Teaching Parents <provincial hs support group>) pages listed in my
signature and you can link up to the Ontario page and find out the regs
for Ontario.
In Ontario children are excused from compulsory attendance if they are
receiving an adequate education at home or elsewhere ( elsewhere =
private school ). This is in the education act for the province.

Coming into Ontario you are at an advantage because the local board of
education won't know of your children and you can avoid hassles this
way.

You DON'T have to register with the province or the local school board
(although when they interpret the education act for themselves they may
tell you a different story).
The province has no legal right to make you register either and the
education act is vague enough that it really supports the homeschooler
rather than the province or school board.

Buzz

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Klement Family "Education is what survives when
Darryl, Debbie, what has been learned has been
Kathleen, Nathan & forgotten"
Samantha B.F. Skinner in "New Scientist".
e-mail- klement@...
Canadian homeschool page: http:\\www.flora.org/homeschool-ca/
Ont. Federation of Teaching Parents: http:\\www.flora.org/oftp/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CA Nelson

Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work Holly-
   What a horrible time you went through! It just makes me so mad how misunderstood you were and how little knowledge of breastfeeding there is. What makes me even more mad is that you were found guilty and denied the chance to care for other children when you obviously seem like a loving person. My dh is a children's counselor and regularly has to report cases of abuse to Social Services, and they rarely even follow up on it!

--
Amy Nelson
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated." - The Indigo Girls

Anyhow, that is now permanently on my record. That I was found guilty of
child neglect so I doubt I could do daycare again.  I tried before Tacy was
born because I had been told that the case was unfou

Holly Atchison

and they rarely even follow up on it!

Amy this makes me so mad! After I was found guilty, I found out my neighbor
who was reported twice for abuse ( and she WAS bad) was found innocent!
Grrrr!

Holly


>From: CA Nelson <acnelson@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:00:14 -0500
>
>Holly-
> What a horrible time you went through! It just makes me so mad how
>misunderstood you were and how little knowledge of breastfeeding there is.
>What makes me even more mad is that you were found guilty and denied the
>chance to care for other children when you obviously seem like a loving
>person. My dh is a children's counselor and regularly has to report cases
>of
>abuse to Social Services, and they rarely even follow up on it!
>
>--
>Amy Nelson
>Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
>"The hardest to learn was the least complicated." - The Indigo Girls
>
>Anyhow, that is now permanently on my record. That I was found guilty of
>child neglect so I doubt I could do daycare again. I tried before Tacy was
>born because I had been told that the case was unfou

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isn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Atchison [mailto:HollyAtch@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 12:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work


Christine,

Thank you for your advice and ideas. I used to do daycare before I had my
own children but after my first was born I was absolutely clueless as to
what to do for a tiny baby. We were newly married and depending on military

doctors for help. Lili was loosing weight after her birth even though I was

breastfeeding and she ate all the time. Well I took her to the doctor a
lot and they never could figure out why she wasn't gaining weight but they
didn't do anything about it either. Like I said I was
clueless....anyhow...someone overheard me tell a friend about an argument
that John and I had and they reported us for neglect. (Dont ask how they
got to that conclusion I still dont know) We were ordered to bring Lili to
the same pediatrician that had seen her before and not done anything. This
time the doctor was very mean to me and accused me of starving my baby.
She poked and prodded at Lili and gave me a dirty look when SHE made my baby

cry. She ordered me to feed Lili right in front of her and I told her that
Lili had just eaten and wouldn't be hungry but she insisted. So I tried to
feed Lili and she didn't eat ...DUH. And that doctor had the nerve to tell
me that Lili had starved so much that she had lost the desire to eat!!!! (I
Still get so mad thinking about this!) So then I took Lili to Arkansas
Childrens Hospital and they looked at Lili and said that she was very
healthy and alert even though she was so tiny. They set me up with a
lactation doctor who ran tests on my milk and found that I had NO FAT at all

in my breastmilk. So she wrote a letter saying I had done nothing wrong and

what the problem was. Well.......The head of family advocacy said she
didn't like my attitude so they found us guilty regardless of the doctors
letter. (SORRY FOR THE LONG STORY)

Anyhow, that is now permanently on my record. That I was found guilty of
child neglect so I doubt I could do daycare again. I tried before Tacy was
born because I had been told that the case was unfounded but it turns out
that they DID find us guilty and never told us. I only found out when I
tried to be a daycare provider on the base. And they wouldn't let me. Boy
do I know how to make a short story long or what! Sorry everyone! =)

Thank you though for the advice. I appreciate it!

Holly


>From: cacarter@...
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:03:42 -0500
>
>Hi, I'm a newbie, and I've been lurking for about 1 week, but I felt I had
>to come on line to talk to the woman who wants to find work and homeschool.
>I run a small school/daycare at my home, and it would support me and my
>two kids, if I had a smaller mortgage, dh is helping to take care of that.
>
> You would have to look into the regulations where you are, Here in
>Toronto, I am allowed to take in up to 5 children legally INCLUDING MY OWN
>KIDS. I am able to get about $200/week per child, so living frugally, that
>would be managable. Toronto has a fairly high cost of living, but I can
>also charge more. You woud have to phone around other care givers in your
>neighbourhood. It does have a real impact on how much outside activity you
>can do, as I don't have a car, and wouldn't feel comfortable driving other
>people's kids, but there are always evenings and weekends. I also have
>heard of people who offer to homeschool other people's kids for a fee,
>which may be viable for you. It also means you would get older kids.
>Before and after school care is also an option, and not so time consuming.
>
>
>I may as well introduce myself now. My name is christine, and I have two
>little girls, 4 and 1. I am by profession a Montessori teacher, hence my
>current occupation. We are unschooling my children, and it I have found it
>amazing to look at Maria Montessori's writings from that unschooling angle.
>As I am sure many of you out there have already firgured out, thee isn't
>alot of difference.
>Gotta go make dinner. Good luck with finding work that will help you out.
>
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No, NO trial is required. They take all the information to a meeting and
discuss it with a bunch of people who dont know you. They do not ask for
charachter witnesses or let you speak on your own behalf. They simply
decide whether the allegations against you are unfounded or not. If they
decide that they are not unfounded then they decide whether they will take
your children from you or not. In my case they found that the allegations
were not unfounded but that they would not take my child from me. The
reason I was not informed officially was that they would NOT take my child
from me. They said that they sent a letter but I never recieved any such
letter or I would have fought it. By the time I found out I had been found
guilty the case was closed and could no longer be fought. When I spoke to
the head of family advocacy at our base she informed me that she voted that
the allegations were not unfounded because she didn't like my attitude.
Well who would have a good attitude when she has just been accused of
starving her infant child! I was abused as a child and the biggest insult
to me is that ANYONE would ever think I could abuse or neglect my own
children. If they had known me or even done a thourough investigation they
would not have found me guilty.

Holly Atchison

Ps....Just so you know. In the military there is no one to watch over
Family Advocacy to make sure that they dont abuse their power. Sad isn't
it?


>From: Dewar Charles R <Charles.Dewar@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:28:50 -0500
>
>How can you be found "guilty" without your knowledge. A trial is required,
>isn't it?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Holly Atchison [mailto:HollyAtch@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 12:04 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
>
>
>Christine,
>
>Thank you for your advice and ideas. I used to do daycare before I had my
>own children but after my first was born I was absolutely clueless as to
>what to do for a tiny baby. We were newly married and depending on
>military
>
>doctors for help. Lili was loosing weight after her birth even though I
>was
>
>breastfeeding and she ate all the time. Well I took her to the doctor a
>lot and they never could figure out why she wasn't gaining weight but they
>didn't do anything about it either. Like I said I was
>clueless....anyhow...someone overheard me tell a friend about an argument
>that John and I had and they reported us for neglect. (Dont ask how they
>got to that conclusion I still dont know) We were ordered to bring Lili to
>the same pediatrician that had seen her before and not done anything. This
>time the doctor was very mean to me and accused me of starving my baby.
>She poked and prodded at Lili and gave me a dirty look when SHE made my
>baby
>
>cry. She ordered me to feed Lili right in front of her and I told her that
>Lili had just eaten and wouldn't be hungry but she insisted. So I tried to
>feed Lili and she didn't eat ...DUH. And that doctor had the nerve to tell
>me that Lili had starved so much that she had lost the desire to eat!!!! (I
>Still get so mad thinking about this!) So then I took Lili to Arkansas
>Childrens Hospital and they looked at Lili and said that she was very
>healthy and alert even though she was so tiny. They set me up with a
>lactation doctor who ran tests on my milk and found that I had NO FAT at
>all
>
>in my breastmilk. So she wrote a letter saying I had done nothing wrong
>and
>
>what the problem was. Well.......The head of family advocacy said she
>didn't like my attitude so they found us guilty regardless of the doctors
>letter. (SORRY FOR THE LONG STORY)
>
>Anyhow, that is now permanently on my record. That I was found guilty of
>child neglect so I doubt I could do daycare again. I tried before Tacy was
>born because I had been told that the case was unfounded but it turns out
>that they DID find us guilty and never told us. I only found out when I
>tried to be a daycare provider on the base. And they wouldn't let me. Boy
>do I know how to make a short story long or what! Sorry everyone! =)
>
>Thank you though for the advice. I appreciate it!
>
>Holly
>
>
> >From: cacarter@...
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
> >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:03:42 -0500
> >
> >Hi, I'm a newbie, and I've been lurking for about 1 week, but I felt I
>had
> >to come on line to talk to the woman who wants to find work and
>homeschool.
> >I run a small school/daycare at my home, and it would support me and my
> >two kids, if I had a smaller mortgage, dh is helping to take care of
>that.
> >
> > You would have to look into the regulations where you are, Here in
> >Toronto, I am allowed to take in up to 5 children legally INCLUDING MY
>OWN
> >KIDS. I am able to get about $200/week per child, so living frugally,
>that
> >would be managable. Toronto has a fairly high cost of living, but I can
> >also charge more. You woud have to phone around other care givers in
>your
> >neighbourhood. It does have a real impact on how much outside activity
>you
> >can do, as I don't have a car, and wouldn't feel comfortable driving
>other
> >people's kids, but there are always evenings and weekends. I also have
> >heard of people who offer to homeschool other people's kids for a fee,
> >which may be viable for you. It also means you would get older kids.
> >Before and after school care is also an option, and not so time
>consuming.
> >
> >
> >I may as well introduce myself now. My name is christine, and I have two
> >little girls, 4 and 1. I am by profession a Montessori teacher, hence my
> >current occupation. We are unschooling my children, and it I have found
>it
> >amazing to look at Maria Montessori's writings from that unschooling
>angle.
> >As I am sure many of you out there have already firgured out, thee isn't
> >alot of difference.
> >Gotta go make dinner. Good luck with finding work that will help you
>out.
> >
> >
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Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work Holly-
   I can't even begin to tell you what goes on with DSS. I sometimes wonder why they even exist!

--
Amy Nelson
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99)
"The hardest to learn was the least complicated." - The Indigo Girls

and they rarely even follow up on it!

Amy this makes me so mad!  After I was found guilty, I found out my neighbor
who was reported twice for abuse ( and she WAS bad) was found innocent!  
Grrrr!

Tracy Oldfield

that's downright scary! Do they not want people with families in
the military? they'd lose a lot of people if that's what they're
trying to do...

Tracy

On 22 Jun 2000, at 10:55, Holly Atchison wrote:


Ps....Just so you know. In the military there is no
one to watch over 
Family Advocacy to make sure that they dont abuse their
power. Sad isn't 
it?

Lynda

Well, that explains why there is a quilty without a trial--the military.

Lynda

----------
> From: Holly Atchison <HollyAtch@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2000 3:55 AM
>
> No, NO trial is required. They take all the information to a meeting and

> discuss it with a bunch of people who dont know you. They do not ask for

> charachter witnesses or let you speak on your own behalf. They simply
> decide whether the allegations against you are unfounded or not. If they

> decide that they are not unfounded then they decide whether they will
take
> your children from you or not. In my case they found that the
allegations
> were not unfounded but that they would not take my child from me. The
> reason I was not informed officially was that they would NOT take my
child
> from me. They said that they sent a letter but I never recieved any such

> letter or I would have fought it. By the time I found out I had been
found
> guilty the case was closed and could no longer be fought. When I spoke
to
> the head of family advocacy at our base she informed me that she voted
that
> the allegations were not unfounded because she didn't like my attitude.
> Well who would have a good attitude when she has just been accused of
> starving her infant child! I was abused as a child and the biggest
insult
> to me is that ANYONE would ever think I could abuse or neglect my own
> children. If they had known me or even done a thourough investigation
they
> would not have found me guilty.
>
> Holly Atchison
>
> Ps....Just so you know. In the military there is no one to watch over
> Family Advocacy to make sure that they dont abuse their power. Sad isn't

> it?
>
>
> >From: Dewar Charles R <Charles.Dewar@...>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
> >Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
> >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:28:50 -0500
> >
> >How can you be found "guilty" without your knowledge. A trial is
required,
> >isn't it?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Holly Atchison [mailto:HollyAtch@...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 12:04 PM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
> >
> >
> >Christine,
> >
> >Thank you for your advice and ideas. I used to do daycare before I had
my
> >own children but after my first was born I was absolutely clueless as to
> >what to do for a tiny baby. We were newly married and depending on
> >military
> >
> >doctors for help. Lili was loosing weight after her birth even though I

> >was
> >
> >breastfeeding and she ate all the time. Well I took her to the doctor
a
> >lot and they never could figure out why she wasn't gaining weight but
they
> >didn't do anything about it either. Like I said I was
> >clueless....anyhow...someone overheard me tell a friend about an
argument
> >that John and I had and they reported us for neglect. (Dont ask how
they
> >got to that conclusion I still dont know) We were ordered to bring Lili
to
> >the same pediatrician that had seen her before and not done anything.
This
> >time the doctor was very mean to me and accused me of starving my baby.
> >She poked and prodded at Lili and gave me a dirty look when SHE made my
> >baby
> >
> >cry. She ordered me to feed Lili right in front of her and I told her
that
> >Lili had just eaten and wouldn't be hungry but she insisted. So I tried
to
> >feed Lili and she didn't eat ...DUH. And that doctor had the nerve to
tell
> >me that Lili had starved so much that she had lost the desire to eat!!!!
(I
> >Still get so mad thinking about this!) So then I took Lili to Arkansas
> >Childrens Hospital and they looked at Lili and said that she was very
> >healthy and alert even though she was so tiny. They set me up with a
> >lactation doctor who ran tests on my milk and found that I had NO FAT at

> >all
> >
> >in my breastmilk. So she wrote a letter saying I had done nothing wrong

> >and
> >
> >what the problem was. Well.......The head of family advocacy said she
> >didn't like my attitude so they found us guilty regardless of the
doctors
> >letter. (SORRY FOR THE LONG STORY)
> >
> >Anyhow, that is now permanently on my record. That I was found guilty of
> >child neglect so I doubt I could do daycare again. I tried before Tacy
was
> >born because I had been told that the case was unfounded but it turns
out
> >that they DID find us guilty and never told us. I only found out when I
> >tried to be a daycare provider on the base. And they wouldn't let me.
Boy
> >do I know how to make a short story long or what! Sorry everyone! =)
> >
> >Thank you though for the advice. I appreciate it!
> >
> >Holly
> >
> >
> > >From: cacarter@...
> > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >To: [email protected]
> > >Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
> > >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:03:42 -0500
> > >
> > >Hi, I'm a newbie, and I've been lurking for about 1 week, but I felt I

> >had
> > >to come on line to talk to the woman who wants to find work and
> >homeschool.
> > >I run a small school/daycare at my home, and it would support me and
my
> > >two kids, if I had a smaller mortgage, dh is helping to take care of
> >that.
> > >
> > > You would have to look into the regulations where you are, Here in
> > >Toronto, I am allowed to take in up to 5 children legally INCLUDING MY

> >OWN
> > >KIDS. I am able to get about $200/week per child, so living frugally,

> >that
> > >would be managable. Toronto has a fairly high cost of living, but I
can
> > >also charge more. You woud have to phone around other care givers in
> >your
> > >neighbourhood. It does have a real impact on how much outside
activity
> >you
> > >can do, as I don't have a car, and wouldn't feel comfortable driving
> >other
> > >people's kids, but there are always evenings and weekends. I also
have
> > >heard of people who offer to homeschool other people's kids for a fee,
> > >which may be viable for you. It also means you would get older kids.
> > >Before and after school care is also an option, and not so time
> >consuming.
> > >
> > >
> > >I may as well introduce myself now. My name is christine, and I have
two
> > >little girls, 4 and 1. I am by profession a Montessori teacher, hence
my
> > >current occupation. We are unschooling my children, and it I have
found
> >it
> > >amazing to look at Maria Montessori's writings from that unschooling
> >angle.
> > >As I am sure many of you out there have already firgured out, thee
isn't
> > >alot of difference.
> > >Gotta go make dinner. Good luck with finding work that will help you
> >out.
> > >
> > >
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Tracy,
My husbands commander used to joke "If the air force wanted you to have a
wife they would have issued you one" I hear that on and off depending what
base we are at. I know a lot of very good mothers that are afraid that a
nosy neighbor will misinterpret something that they see or hear them do and
will report them. I have heard of Family Advocacy really coming down hard
on some people and completely ignoring other families. A friend of mine had
her son taken away from her for spanking her son after he ran in front of a
moving car in a parking lot. While I don't spank my own children I dont
think it was worth even being reported much less having him taken away! It
took her a week to get him back. They did more trauma to him by taking him
from his mother than she did spanking him. Sad huh?

Holly


>From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:52:03 +0100
>
>that's downright scary! Do they not want people with families in
>the military? they'd lose a lot of people if that's what they're
>trying to do...
>
>Tracy
>
>On 22 Jun 2000, at 10:55, Holly Atchison wrote:
>
>
>Ps....Just so you know. In the military there is no
>one to watch over 
>Family Advocacy to make sure that they dont abuse their
>power. Sad isn't 
>it?
>
>
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I know it's not exactly compatible with being a professional fighter
(of any kind) but you can't expect people to not have lives! and it
sounds like there's too much 'who you know' going on there, too.
blergh, gives me the willies just thinking about being under that
kind of 'regime.'

Tracy

On 22 Jun 2000, at 16:06, Holly Atchison wrote:

Tracy,
My husbands commander used to joke "If the air force
wanted you to have a 
wife they would have issued you one"

Dewar Charles R

Ohhh! We're talking about the military. Whole different ballgame!

-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Atchison [mailto:HollyAtch@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work


No, NO trial is required. They take all the information to a meeting and
discuss it with a bunch of people who dont know you. They do not ask for
charachter witnesses or let you speak on your own behalf. They simply
decide whether the allegations against you are unfounded or not. If they
decide that they are not unfounded then they decide whether they will take
your children from you or not. In my case they found that the allegations
were not unfounded but that they would not take my child from me. The
reason I was not informed officially was that they would NOT take my child
from me. They said that they sent a letter but I never recieved any such
letter or I would have fought it. By the time I found out I had been found

guilty the case was closed and could no longer be fought. When I spoke to
the head of family advocacy at our base she informed me that she voted that
the allegations were not unfounded because she didn't like my attitude.
Well who would have a good attitude when she has just been accused of
starving her infant child! I was abused as a child and the biggest insult
to me is that ANYONE would ever think I could abuse or neglect my own
children. If they had known me or even done a thourough investigation they

would not have found me guilty.

Holly Atchison

Ps....Just so you know. In the military there is no one to watch over
Family Advocacy to make sure that they dont abuse their power. Sad isn't
it?


>From: Dewar Charles R <Charles.Dewar@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:28:50 -0500
>
>How can you be found "guilty" without your knowledge. A trial is required,
>isn't it?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Holly Atchison [mailto:HollyAtch@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 12:04 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
>
>
>Christine,
>
>Thank you for your advice and ideas. I used to do daycare before I had my
>own children but after my first was born I was absolutely clueless as to
>what to do for a tiny baby. We were newly married and depending on
>military
>
>doctors for help. Lili was loosing weight after her birth even though I
>was
>
>breastfeeding and she ate all the time. Well I took her to the doctor a
>lot and they never could figure out why she wasn't gaining weight but they
>didn't do anything about it either. Like I said I was
>clueless....anyhow...someone overheard me tell a friend about an argument
>that John and I had and they reported us for neglect. (Dont ask how they
>got to that conclusion I still dont know) We were ordered to bring Lili to
>the same pediatrician that had seen her before and not done anything. This
>time the doctor was very mean to me and accused me of starving my baby.
>She poked and prodded at Lili and gave me a dirty look when SHE made my
>baby
>
>cry. She ordered me to feed Lili right in front of her and I told her that
>Lili had just eaten and wouldn't be hungry but she insisted. So I tried to
>feed Lili and she didn't eat ...DUH. And that doctor had the nerve to tell
>me that Lili had starved so much that she had lost the desire to eat!!!! (I
>Still get so mad thinking about this!) So then I took Lili to Arkansas
>Childrens Hospital and they looked at Lili and said that she was very
>healthy and alert even though she was so tiny. They set me up with a
>lactation doctor who ran tests on my milk and found that I had NO FAT at
>all
>
>in my breastmilk. So she wrote a letter saying I had done nothing wrong
>and
>
>what the problem was. Well.......The head of family advocacy said she
>didn't like my attitude so they found us guilty regardless of the doctors
>letter. (SORRY FOR THE LONG STORY)
>
>Anyhow, that is now permanently on my record. That I was found guilty of
>child neglect so I doubt I could do daycare again. I tried before Tacy was
>born because I had been told that the case was unfounded but it turns out
>that they DID find us guilty and never told us. I only found out when I
>tried to be a daycare provider on the base. And they wouldn't let me. Boy
>do I know how to make a short story long or what! Sorry everyone! =)
>
>Thank you though for the advice. I appreciate it!
>
>Holly
>
>
> >From: cacarter@...
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Homeschooling and work
> >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:03:42 -0500
> >
> >Hi, I'm a newbie, and I've been lurking for about 1 week, but I felt I
>had
> >to come on line to talk to the woman who wants to find work and
>homeschool.
> >I run a small school/daycare at my home, and it would support me and my
> >two kids, if I had a smaller mortgage, dh is helping to take care of
>that.
> >
> > You would have to look into the regulations where you are, Here in
> >Toronto, I am allowed to take in up to 5 children legally INCLUDING MY
>OWN
> >KIDS. I am able to get about $200/week per child, so living frugally,
>that
> >would be managable. Toronto has a fairly high cost of living, but I can
> >also charge more. You woud have to phone around other care givers in
>your
> >neighbourhood. It does have a real impact on how much outside activity
>you
> >can do, as I don't have a car, and wouldn't feel comfortable driving
>other
> >people's kids, but there are always evenings and weekends. I also have
> >heard of people who offer to homeschool other people's kids for a fee,
> >which may be viable for you. It also means you would get older kids.
> >Before and after school care is also an option, and not so time
>consuming.
> >
> >
> >I may as well introduce myself now. My name is christine, and I have two
> >little girls, 4 and 1. I am by profession a Montessori teacher, hence my
> >current occupation. We are unschooling my children, and it I have found
>it
> >amazing to look at Maria Montessori's writings from that unschooling
>angle.
> >As I am sure many of you out there have already firgured out, thee isn't
> >alot of difference.
> >Gotta go make dinner. Good luck with finding work that will help you
>out.
> >
> >
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