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In a message dated 6/3/2004 2:09:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
christy_imnotred@... writes:

I think being more respectful of the child is a huge jump because
most parents think what they are doing is respectful. I got in a
huge "discussion" on a pre-unschooling list about not controlling tv
and food. I said I didn't control these things because I respected
my son as a whole person who knew what he wanted and needed. Many of
the other posters got really upset about this and said that they
respected their kids too and that that was why they controlled what
they ate and watched. I said that wasn't respect, that was distrust
and control.

So maybe different people have different definitions of what respect
is? To me telling a person what to do with no regard to what that
person wants isn't respect. But many people in that discussion
thought what I was doing wasn't respectful because I was letting my
son eat candy if he wanted it and therefore letting him poison his
body.

I ended up unsubbing from the group after being called many names. I
did explain many times hat my son is not living in a vacuum with his
choices, that I had a lot of input, but they just couldn't seem to
believe it. They thought I was negligent. So is there a way to get
people to see that controlling isn't respectful? Can controlling
someone be respectful? <<<<<
SEE?????? <g>
But....what is a pre-unschooling list?
~Kelly





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christy_imnotred

> But....what is a pre-unschooling list?
> ~Kelly

It is supposed to be an unschooling list for people with
preschoolers. In reality they spend most of their time comparing
curriculums. Someone who thought it was actually an unschooling list
(like it says in the description) brought up the no limits thing
looking for ideas on how it works. Turns out only a few people on
the list thought it could work, me being the most vocal of the few
people.

My point in bringing it up was the respecting children thing. I
think many parents think they are respecting their children by
controlling them. How can we help people see that isn't respect?
Should we even try? Do we (meaning unschoolers) just have totally
different definitions of respect? Is it possible to respect someone
while controlling them?

I found out even suggesting someone isn't being respectful to their
children brings out a lot of hostility.

Christy O

mamaaj2000

--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> But....what is a pre-unschooling list?
> ~Kelly

As in unschooling kids who are "pre-school" age. With all the
pressures in some communities to send kids off to pre-school and all
the curricula for "homeschooling" 2-5 year olds...and the groups
where people discuss what rewards and punishments work best for
teaching little kids...the list is supposed to be an alternative.

It's usually really quiet, but yeh, there was an...intense discussion
with a lot of people who have not (yet) signed on for letting go of
controling tv, food etc.

I remember Sandra posting something (here, that is) about
homeschooling not being for people who feel it necessary to control
certain aspects of life. And if you believe that much of the food
supply is extremely harmful, even if eaten once, you're not going to
let your kids decide what to eat!

--aj,

p.s. the list is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pre-unschooling for
those not frightened away or turned off by the whole idea

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In a message dated 06/03/2004 3:50:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mamaaj2000@... writes:


> But....what is a pre-unschooling list?
> > ~Kelly
>
> As in unschooling kids who are "pre-school" age. With all the
> pressures in some communities to send kids off to pre-school and all
> the curricula for "homeschooling" 2-5 year olds...and the groups
> where people discuss what rewards and punishments work best for
> teaching little kids...the list is supposed to be an alternative.
>

Hmmm - but wouldn't that be unpreschooling then? <grin>

Pre-unschooling sounds more like someone perhaps deschooling as
preparation for unschooling. Just linguistically I mean. JJ


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In a message dated 6/3/2004 3:54:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:

PS If I ever get to an unschooling conference with my husband, I'm
going to persuade him to re-enact the battle of Midway in the hotel
swimming pool with Cuisenaire rods. (or some floating facsimile). You
don't want to miss that!<<<<<<
August 27-29, 2004. Peabody, MA.
_www.liveandlearnconference.org_ (http://www.liveandlearnconference.org)
for those of you who haven't heard!

~Kelly





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