Biodiesel
Ren
I have NO desire to fuel (no pun intended:) a discussion that doesn't belong at this list, but I can't stand hearing inflammatory information that doesn't address the whole picture.
So for those of you that are actually worried about this issue (and I'm not saying there won't be an energy crisis), please research fuel cells and hydrogen technology.
The automobile industry already agrees that hydrogen is the future and they are working hard to create cars that are affordable and make hydrogen readily available...we will see them on the market in the next 10 years.
There are skyscrapers in big cities being totally run on fuel cell techonology, totally off the grid. The new technologies are here....it's going to be commonplace in our lifetimes.
Ren
"There is no way to
peace. Peace is the way."
~Quaker saying
So for those of you that are actually worried about this issue (and I'm not saying there won't be an energy crisis), please research fuel cells and hydrogen technology.
The automobile industry already agrees that hydrogen is the future and they are working hard to create cars that are affordable and make hydrogen readily available...we will see them on the market in the next 10 years.
There are skyscrapers in big cities being totally run on fuel cell techonology, totally off the grid. The new technologies are here....it's going to be commonplace in our lifetimes.
Ren
"There is no way to
peace. Peace is the way."
~Quaker saying
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In a message dated 5/31/2004 10:29:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
hydrogen technology<<
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I saw in the Timberdoodle catalog a fuel cell car kit. Kinda pricy, but it
looks like a really cool investment if you can afford it.
Nancy B.
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starsuncloud@... writes:
>>So for those of you that are actually worried about this issue (and I'm notsaying there won't be an energy crisis), please research fuel cells and
hydrogen technology<<
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I saw in the Timberdoodle catalog a fuel cell car kit. Kinda pricy, but it
looks like a really cool investment if you can afford it.
Nancy B.
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the_clevengers
--- In [email protected], "Ren"
<starsuncloud@n...> wrote:
information that doesn't address the whole picture.
cells and hydrogen technology.>>>>>>>>
Unfortunately, it's a bit more complicated than it seems at the
surface. While hydrogen can be extracted from water using solar or
wind-powered electricity, current plans for the hydrogen
infrastructure call for most of the hydrogen to be produced from oil,
natural gas, and other non-renewable resources.
"According to the administration's National Hydrogen Energy Roadmap,
drafted last year in concert with the energy industry, up to 90
percent of all hydrogen will be refined from oil, natural gas, and
other fossil fuels -- in a process using energy generated by burning
oil, coal, and natural gas. The remaining 10 percent will be cracked
from water using nuclear energy."
This quote is from the article "Hydrogen's Dirty Secret" at
http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2003/05/ma_375_01.html
I certainly hope that hydrogen will become a totally clean and
renewable fuel supply at some point, but in the immediate future,
it's not looking like that is going to be the case. I'm going to
stick with biodiesel for now, something that can be made from almost
anything grown in the ground that makes oil (some folks have talked
about making it from kudzu, now wouldn't that be a bonus!!)
Additionally, biodiesel can be pumped from existing fuel station
infrastructure, instead of the expensive hydrogen stations that will
need to be built.
And, from an unschooling perspective, biodiesel is way cool because
you can make it yourself. I'm a big fan of anything that we, as a
family, can do for ourselves, rather than relying on a big
beauracracy to accomplish for us. Families running on biodiesel might
never even have to go to a gas station. I'm fairly sure this is why
hydrogen is getting a lot of press and talk time from the government,
because it can be controlled by big business. No one in the corporate
world wants to think about a fuel that people could make themselves -
where's the profit in that? Kind of like unschooling, in a way. If
the emperor isn't wearing any clothes (if we don't need schools, or
fuel pumps), those who stand to make money from the emperor's parade
start getting scared. To me, hydrogen cells aren't all that different
from charter "home"schools, just the same beauracracy trying to sell
us something different that we don't really need.
Blue Skies,
-Robin-
<starsuncloud@n...> wrote:
>>>>>> I have NO desire to fuel (no pun intended:) a discussion thatdoesn't belong at this list, but I can't stand hearing inflammatory
information that doesn't address the whole picture.
> So for those of you that are actually worried about this issue (andI'm not saying there won't be an energy crisis), please research fuel
cells and hydrogen technology.>>>>>>>>
Unfortunately, it's a bit more complicated than it seems at the
surface. While hydrogen can be extracted from water using solar or
wind-powered electricity, current plans for the hydrogen
infrastructure call for most of the hydrogen to be produced from oil,
natural gas, and other non-renewable resources.
"According to the administration's National Hydrogen Energy Roadmap,
drafted last year in concert with the energy industry, up to 90
percent of all hydrogen will be refined from oil, natural gas, and
other fossil fuels -- in a process using energy generated by burning
oil, coal, and natural gas. The remaining 10 percent will be cracked
from water using nuclear energy."
This quote is from the article "Hydrogen's Dirty Secret" at
http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2003/05/ma_375_01.html
I certainly hope that hydrogen will become a totally clean and
renewable fuel supply at some point, but in the immediate future,
it's not looking like that is going to be the case. I'm going to
stick with biodiesel for now, something that can be made from almost
anything grown in the ground that makes oil (some folks have talked
about making it from kudzu, now wouldn't that be a bonus!!)
Additionally, biodiesel can be pumped from existing fuel station
infrastructure, instead of the expensive hydrogen stations that will
need to be built.
And, from an unschooling perspective, biodiesel is way cool because
you can make it yourself. I'm a big fan of anything that we, as a
family, can do for ourselves, rather than relying on a big
beauracracy to accomplish for us. Families running on biodiesel might
never even have to go to a gas station. I'm fairly sure this is why
hydrogen is getting a lot of press and talk time from the government,
because it can be controlled by big business. No one in the corporate
world wants to think about a fuel that people could make themselves -
where's the profit in that? Kind of like unschooling, in a way. If
the emperor isn't wearing any clothes (if we don't need schools, or
fuel pumps), those who stand to make money from the emperor's parade
start getting scared. To me, hydrogen cells aren't all that different
from charter "home"schools, just the same beauracracy trying to sell
us something different that we don't really need.
Blue Skies,
-Robin-