young, innocent kids wanting to watch sexually heavy movies
kayb85
I could use some input on the movie "mean girls" and on the general
topic of innocent pre-teens wanting to watch sexually heavy movies.
I was discussing this with some online friends and someone posted a
review of the movie Mean Girls and its sexual content. So I guess my
first question, for those of you who've seen it...just how sexual is
it? For a innocent 11 year old who hasn't been exposed to much
sexuality in movies before, is it a lot to throw at her at once?
Examples of some things I've been told about the movie:
-Regina states that she was half a virgin when she met Aaron.
-A male student tells another that something (presumably sexual) only
counts "if you saw nipple."
-An instructor in a sex-ed class tells his students not to have sex
in the missionary position or standing up (stating that they'll die)
and then tells everyone to take a rubber (he has a container of
them).
-We hear a breakdown of the various student cliques in the cafeteria,
including that of the "sexually active band geeks."
-Regina matter-of-factly asks Cady if she wants to have sex with a
guy who's joined them at school and Cady says, "No thank you."
-Regina calls another girl's mother and acts as if she's from Planned
Parenthood regarding the girl (to get her in trouble).
-We hear that Regina's mom had a "boob job" (as the camera focuses on
her chest) and that they're as hard as rocks (Cady reacts to the feel
of them when the mom hugs her). The mom doesn't then realize that the
small family dog is biting on her clothed nipple.
-Comments are made about a girl still being a virgin and another
being a "dyke."
-Janis tells Cady that she smells like a "baby prostitute."
-A sex-ed instructor tells his students that they'll have urges and
want to take off their clothes, but that they'll then get Chlamydia.
My almost 11 year old daughter REALLY wants to see it. We generally
watch movies on dvd instead of in the theatres, so we won't go and
watch it right now, but it will be out on dvd before long I'm sure.
My concern isn't that I want to be a prude and keep her from seeing
sexual stuff. I want to be open and honest and all that when it
comes to sexuality. I don't want to not let her watch it. As a
matter of fact, not letting her watch something she wants to watch
isn't even an option. She knows the basics about sex but is still
fairly innocent. She saw Freaky Friday and loved the actress (same
one as is in this movie) and saw Mean GIrls advertised and just
thinks it looks awesome. Plus it's about a homeschooled girl. She
won't forget about wanting to watch this, she REALLY wants it. She
wants to buy it and she'll probably watch it several times.
But the stuff I posted above...Wow, she doesn't know much about any
of that at all. Maybe she's curious, maybe she's ready to start
hearing about some of that, and that's cool...but all that thrown
together in one movie?
She's my oldest, so it's my first time dealing with sexual stuff.
Any advice?
Sheila
topic of innocent pre-teens wanting to watch sexually heavy movies.
I was discussing this with some online friends and someone posted a
review of the movie Mean Girls and its sexual content. So I guess my
first question, for those of you who've seen it...just how sexual is
it? For a innocent 11 year old who hasn't been exposed to much
sexuality in movies before, is it a lot to throw at her at once?
Examples of some things I've been told about the movie:
-Regina states that she was half a virgin when she met Aaron.
-A male student tells another that something (presumably sexual) only
counts "if you saw nipple."
-An instructor in a sex-ed class tells his students not to have sex
in the missionary position or standing up (stating that they'll die)
and then tells everyone to take a rubber (he has a container of
them).
-We hear a breakdown of the various student cliques in the cafeteria,
including that of the "sexually active band geeks."
-Regina matter-of-factly asks Cady if she wants to have sex with a
guy who's joined them at school and Cady says, "No thank you."
-Regina calls another girl's mother and acts as if she's from Planned
Parenthood regarding the girl (to get her in trouble).
-We hear that Regina's mom had a "boob job" (as the camera focuses on
her chest) and that they're as hard as rocks (Cady reacts to the feel
of them when the mom hugs her). The mom doesn't then realize that the
small family dog is biting on her clothed nipple.
-Comments are made about a girl still being a virgin and another
being a "dyke."
-Janis tells Cady that she smells like a "baby prostitute."
-A sex-ed instructor tells his students that they'll have urges and
want to take off their clothes, but that they'll then get Chlamydia.
My almost 11 year old daughter REALLY wants to see it. We generally
watch movies on dvd instead of in the theatres, so we won't go and
watch it right now, but it will be out on dvd before long I'm sure.
My concern isn't that I want to be a prude and keep her from seeing
sexual stuff. I want to be open and honest and all that when it
comes to sexuality. I don't want to not let her watch it. As a
matter of fact, not letting her watch something she wants to watch
isn't even an option. She knows the basics about sex but is still
fairly innocent. She saw Freaky Friday and loved the actress (same
one as is in this movie) and saw Mean GIrls advertised and just
thinks it looks awesome. Plus it's about a homeschooled girl. She
won't forget about wanting to watch this, she REALLY wants it. She
wants to buy it and she'll probably watch it several times.
But the stuff I posted above...Wow, she doesn't know much about any
of that at all. Maybe she's curious, maybe she's ready to start
hearing about some of that, and that's cool...but all that thrown
together in one movie?
She's my oldest, so it's my first time dealing with sexual stuff.
Any advice?
Sheila
Have a Nice Day!
All of the things you mentioned are in the movie, but I can honestly say I didn't really remember those things until you wrote them down out of context :o).
There is a lot of sexual inuendo and satire. There is no nudity that I recall. But the movie is primarily about "fitting in" vs "being true to yourself", not about sex.
Hope that helps!
Kristen
There is a lot of sexual inuendo and satire. There is no nudity that I recall. But the movie is primarily about "fitting in" vs "being true to yourself", not about sex.
Hope that helps!
Kristen
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From: kayb85
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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 11:14 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] young, innocent kids wanting to watch sexually heavy movies
I could use some input on the movie "mean girls" and on the general
topic of innocent pre-teens wanting to watch sexually heavy movies.
I was discussing this with some online friends and someone posted a
review of the movie Mean Girls and its sexual content. So I guess my
first question, for those of you who've seen it...just how sexual is
it? For a innocent 11 year old who hasn't been exposed to much
sexuality in movies before, is it a lot to throw at her at once?
Examples of some things I've been told about the movie:
-Regina states that she was half a virgin when she met Aaron.
-A male student tells another that something (presumably sexual) only
counts "if you saw nipple."
-An instructor in a sex-ed class tells his students not to have sex
in the missionary position or standing up (stating that they'll die)
and then tells everyone to take a rubber (he has a container of
them).
-We hear a breakdown of the various student cliques in the cafeteria,
including that of the "sexually active band geeks."
-Regina matter-of-factly asks Cady if she wants to have sex with a
guy who's joined them at school and Cady says, "No thank you."
-Regina calls another girl's mother and acts as if she's from Planned
Parenthood regarding the girl (to get her in trouble).
-We hear that Regina's mom had a "boob job" (as the camera focuses on
her chest) and that they're as hard as rocks (Cady reacts to the feel
of them when the mom hugs her). The mom doesn't then realize that the
small family dog is biting on her clothed nipple.
-Comments are made about a girl still being a virgin and another
being a "dyke."
-Janis tells Cady that she smells like a "baby prostitute."
-A sex-ed instructor tells his students that they'll have urges and
want to take off their clothes, but that they'll then get Chlamydia.
My almost 11 year old daughter REALLY wants to see it. We generally
watch movies on dvd instead of in the theatres, so we won't go and
watch it right now, but it will be out on dvd before long I'm sure.
My concern isn't that I want to be a prude and keep her from seeing
sexual stuff. I want to be open and honest and all that when it
comes to sexuality. I don't want to not let her watch it. As a
matter of fact, not letting her watch something she wants to watch
isn't even an option. She knows the basics about sex but is still
fairly innocent. She saw Freaky Friday and loved the actress (same
one as is in this movie) and saw Mean GIrls advertised and just
thinks it looks awesome. Plus it's about a homeschooled girl. She
won't forget about wanting to watch this, she REALLY wants it. She
wants to buy it and she'll probably watch it several times.
But the stuff I posted above...Wow, she doesn't know much about any
of that at all. Maybe she's curious, maybe she's ready to start
hearing about some of that, and that's cool...but all that thrown
together in one movie?
She's my oldest, so it's my first time dealing with sexual stuff.
Any advice?
Sheila
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In a message dated 5/10/04 9:16:50 PM, sheran@... writes:
<< My almost 11 year old daughter REALLY wants to see it. We generally
watch movies on dvd instead of in the theatres, so we won't go and
watch it right now, but it will be out on dvd before long I'm sure. >>
I think you should take her. Holly's seen it and wants to see it again.
The movie is NOT "about sex."
I also think you should stop reading shoddy lists like the one that
"reviewed" that movie in such a stupid and clinical way.
The movie is about homeschooling and morality and truth and justice, not
about condoms.
-=-I could use some input on the movie "mean girls" and on the general
topic of innocent pre-teens wanting to watch sexually heavy movies. -=-
It's not a "sexually heavy movie," and pre-teens who watch movies in which
characters discuss or have sex will not watch what they don't want to watch.
Honestly, this movie is sweet, and the autopsy some uptight person did to
make that list is more violent than anything I've seen in movies for quite a
while. Every joke you see that was listed on that page will be ruined for you
because it has been presented as a potentially offensive bit of **SEXUALITY**
(let us have reverb and ominous background music).
-=-For a innocent 11 year old who hasn't been exposed to much
sexuality in movies before, is it a lot to throw at her at once? -=-
No.
-=-we won't go and
watch it right now, but it will be out on dvd before long I'm sure. -=-
I would take her. It's PG, not R.
By the time it's on DVD it won't be as cool to have seen it as it is now.
-=-She knows the basics about sex but is still
fairly innocent. She saw Freaky Friday and loved the actress (same
one as is in this movie) and saw Mean GIrls advertised and just
thinks it looks awesome. Plus it's about a homeschooled girl. -=-
She's right. It is awesome. It's a hoot. And there was little to no
slapstick, there was no "humorous" destruction of property (smashing stuff, not even
pie in the face). Pianos in the swimming pool and guitars broken, or dishes
smashed bother me WAY more than sexual innuendo. There were a couple of
scenes where I suspected there would be some property flying, but it didn't happen.
-=-
But the stuff I posted above...Wow, she doesn't know much about any
of that at all. Maybe she's curious, maybe she's ready to start
hearing about some of that, and that's cool...but all that thrown
together in one movie? -=--
The things you posted, not one of them is necessary to the plot. If she
doesn't understand something, it will just go by and she won't need it explained
to understand the story or the characters.
For me, personally, I hate to see people hiding from the world when they can
learn more by being in it. Not you, but all those lists of homeschoolers who
trade judgmental, negative movie reviews instead of lightening up and being
open and happy.
Sandra
<< My almost 11 year old daughter REALLY wants to see it. We generally
watch movies on dvd instead of in the theatres, so we won't go and
watch it right now, but it will be out on dvd before long I'm sure. >>
I think you should take her. Holly's seen it and wants to see it again.
The movie is NOT "about sex."
I also think you should stop reading shoddy lists like the one that
"reviewed" that movie in such a stupid and clinical way.
The movie is about homeschooling and morality and truth and justice, not
about condoms.
-=-I could use some input on the movie "mean girls" and on the general
topic of innocent pre-teens wanting to watch sexually heavy movies. -=-
It's not a "sexually heavy movie," and pre-teens who watch movies in which
characters discuss or have sex will not watch what they don't want to watch.
Honestly, this movie is sweet, and the autopsy some uptight person did to
make that list is more violent than anything I've seen in movies for quite a
while. Every joke you see that was listed on that page will be ruined for you
because it has been presented as a potentially offensive bit of **SEXUALITY**
(let us have reverb and ominous background music).
-=-For a innocent 11 year old who hasn't been exposed to much
sexuality in movies before, is it a lot to throw at her at once? -=-
No.
-=-we won't go and
watch it right now, but it will be out on dvd before long I'm sure. -=-
I would take her. It's PG, not R.
By the time it's on DVD it won't be as cool to have seen it as it is now.
-=-She knows the basics about sex but is still
fairly innocent. She saw Freaky Friday and loved the actress (same
one as is in this movie) and saw Mean GIrls advertised and just
thinks it looks awesome. Plus it's about a homeschooled girl. -=-
She's right. It is awesome. It's a hoot. And there was little to no
slapstick, there was no "humorous" destruction of property (smashing stuff, not even
pie in the face). Pianos in the swimming pool and guitars broken, or dishes
smashed bother me WAY more than sexual innuendo. There were a couple of
scenes where I suspected there would be some property flying, but it didn't happen.
-=-
But the stuff I posted above...Wow, she doesn't know much about any
of that at all. Maybe she's curious, maybe she's ready to start
hearing about some of that, and that's cool...but all that thrown
together in one movie? -=--
The things you posted, not one of them is necessary to the plot. If she
doesn't understand something, it will just go by and she won't need it explained
to understand the story or the characters.
For me, personally, I hate to see people hiding from the world when they can
learn more by being in it. Not you, but all those lists of homeschoolers who
trade judgmental, negative movie reviews instead of lightening up and being
open and happy.
Sandra
kayb85
> The movie is NOT "about sex."justice, not
> I also think you should stop reading shoddy lists like the one that
> "reviewed" that movie in such a stupid and clinical way.
>
> The movie is about homeschooling and morality and truth and
> about condoms.Thanks.
That was my initial reaction, but then I started thinking about it
and wondering if maybe it was as bad as they made it out to be. I
started panicing that maybe it would be so sexual that it would be
traumatic for her. That's what I get for doubting my gut instinct!
It sounds like a great movie!
Sheila
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In a message dated 5/10/04 10:43:45 PM, sheran@... writes:
<< It sounds like a great movie! >>
Well I don't know if it's a great movie in the Spartacus, Ben Hur, When
Harry Met Sally kind of way, but for what it is, it's pretty darned entertaining.
There are some very excellent gags and dialog, and Kirby's favorite bit in
the movie is what her dad says (a two-part set-up joke. VERY very funny, and
there are things there that only unschoolers can truly appreciate.
I was happy to be so "in the know" on a movie, because even more than my kids
and their friends who first saw it and told me about it from their
perspective as homeschooled teens, I had been in high school, a girl, welcome in several
cliques, and been a teacher!
LOTS of jokes stirred the personal parts of me. <bwg>
Sandra
<< It sounds like a great movie! >>
Well I don't know if it's a great movie in the Spartacus, Ben Hur, When
Harry Met Sally kind of way, but for what it is, it's pretty darned entertaining.
There are some very excellent gags and dialog, and Kirby's favorite bit in
the movie is what her dad says (a two-part set-up joke. VERY very funny, and
there are things there that only unschoolers can truly appreciate.
I was happy to be so "in the know" on a movie, because even more than my kids
and their friends who first saw it and told me about it from their
perspective as homeschooled teens, I had been in high school, a girl, welcome in several
cliques, and been a teacher!
LOTS of jokes stirred the personal parts of me. <bwg>
Sandra
Fetteroll
on 5/10/04 11:14 PM, kayb85 at sheran@... wrote:
things that might bother some people (scary music, sexual content) and
describe bits of scenes that might be troublesome so people can decide for
themselves.
Joyce
> I could use some input on the movie "mean girls" and on the generalCheck out Screen It! (http://www.screenit.com). They list the types of
> topic of innocent pre-teens wanting to watch sexually heavy movies.
things that might bother some people (scary music, sexual content) and
describe bits of scenes that might be troublesome so people can decide for
themselves.
Joyce
kayb85
--- In [email protected], Fetteroll
<fetteroll@e...> wrote:
before.
Sheila
<fetteroll@e...> wrote:
> on 5/10/04 11:14 PM, kayb85 at sheran@p... wrote:general
>
> > I could use some input on the movie "mean girls" and on the
> > topic of innocent pre-teens wanting to watch sexually heavymovies.
>of
> Check out Screen It! (http://www.screenit.com). They list the types
> things that might bother some people (scary music, sexual content)and
> describe bits of scenes that might be troublesome so people candecide for
> themselves.Screen it was the site that listed all the sexual stuff that I posted
>
> Joyce
before.
Sheila