Hello
[email protected]
HI!
I just joined this list and wanted to introduce myself. I am still unclear
how it works so forgive any mistakes, please.
My name is Kelly and we have 2 sons ages 6 years and 6 months. We always knew
we wanted to homeschool but gave into pressure last year and sent our son to
public Kindergarten last year. We didn't last through November! Its amazing
what 3 months in that environment did to his creativity.
Since pulling him out we have been on a journey to find what will work best
for our family. We are clearly unschoolers but still have the panic attacks
now and then worrying if he should be doing more....it always passes.
I just joined this list and wanted to introduce myself. I am still unclear
how it works so forgive any mistakes, please.
My name is Kelly and we have 2 sons ages 6 years and 6 months. We always knew
we wanted to homeschool but gave into pressure last year and sent our son to
public Kindergarten last year. We didn't last through November! Its amazing
what 3 months in that environment did to his creativity.
Since pulling him out we have been on a journey to find what will work best
for our family. We are clearly unschoolers but still have the panic attacks
now and then worrying if he should be doing more....it always passes.
[email protected]
Hi,
I'm new to the list and I wanted to introduce myself. My name is Wendy and I
live in Little Rock, Arkansas. We're homeschooling leaning toward more of an
unschooling approach. My son Dylan is six and Tristan is four. The past two
years, I've purchased Oak Meadow which I really like. However, we haven't
picked it up for a couple months now so I would say we are on our way to
unschooling. My son Dylan LOVES numbers and money. He really is doing well in
math. On the other hand, he hates reading. I totally believe in unschooling
but honestly, it has been hard for me to not worry. I'm not asking for any
advice or anything. It's just nice to know there are others out there like
me. I guess I'm still dealing with a husband who doesn't really "get it".
Anyway, I'm glad to be here and look forward to participating in this group.
Wendy
I'm new to the list and I wanted to introduce myself. My name is Wendy and I
live in Little Rock, Arkansas. We're homeschooling leaning toward more of an
unschooling approach. My son Dylan is six and Tristan is four. The past two
years, I've purchased Oak Meadow which I really like. However, we haven't
picked it up for a couple months now so I would say we are on our way to
unschooling. My son Dylan LOVES numbers and money. He really is doing well in
math. On the other hand, he hates reading. I totally believe in unschooling
but honestly, it has been hard for me to not worry. I'm not asking for any
advice or anything. It's just nice to know there are others out there like
me. I guess I'm still dealing with a husband who doesn't really "get it".
Anyway, I'm glad to be here and look forward to participating in this group.
Wendy
[email protected]
Hi, my name is Denise and I have two daughters. Five and two. My
husband pushed for homeschooling because of how scary it has gotten
for kids. I really did not want to but I am so glad I have. My
daughter really enjoys it but sees my sister (7) and my nephew (6)
just rave about school. But I listen to them and it has nothing to
do with learning. It usually what they did at lunch or someone
getting into trouble because of talking. This board has been so
helpful and has actually calmed my nerves a bit. Thanks so much for
the great advise between everyone. I usally sit on the sidelines and
just read but I had to say hello.
husband pushed for homeschooling because of how scary it has gotten
for kids. I really did not want to but I am so glad I have. My
daughter really enjoys it but sees my sister (7) and my nephew (6)
just rave about school. But I listen to them and it has nothing to
do with learning. It usually what they did at lunch or someone
getting into trouble because of talking. This board has been so
helpful and has actually calmed my nerves a bit. Thanks so much for
the great advise between everyone. I usally sit on the sidelines and
just read but I had to say hello.
Allison Crilly
Hi there, I'm new here and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Allison, and I'm a homeschooling single mom to Owen, 8. We've just started hsing this month, after 3 very depressing and difficult years in public school. I've been researching hsing, though, since he was preschool age, so I've started out pretty well in the unschooling mode, it just seems to suit the both of us better. I'm looking forward to getting to know everybody here.
Allison
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Allison
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[email protected]
---Hi Allison and Owen,
I'm new to this group also. My name is Shawn and I have 5
children...12yob (only one who attends ps), 9yob, 7yog, 2yob, 1yob.
We just started homeschooling this year. As far as unschooling
goes...AH...about 3 weeks. I dropped all the curriculum when I found
out I spend most of my time hurrying the kids along with their work
so we could get it ALL done in one day. It was to stressful on us
all. Right now the only thing I require them to do is math and a
journal. Everything is up to them. Their moving quit slow...i'm
hoping their interest will pick up :-)))
Just wanted to say hello and introduce myself!
SHAWN in MI
In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Allison Crilly" <AllisonC@m...> wrote:
started hsing this month, after 3 very depressing and difficult years
in public school. I've been researching hsing, though, since he was
preschool age, so I've started out pretty well in the unschooling
mode, it just seems to suit the both of us better. I'm looking
forward to getting to know everybody here.
I'm new to this group also. My name is Shawn and I have 5
children...12yob (only one who attends ps), 9yob, 7yog, 2yob, 1yob.
We just started homeschooling this year. As far as unschooling
goes...AH...about 3 weeks. I dropped all the curriculum when I found
out I spend most of my time hurrying the kids along with their work
so we could get it ALL done in one day. It was to stressful on us
all. Right now the only thing I require them to do is math and a
journal. Everything is up to them. Their moving quit slow...i'm
hoping their interest will pick up :-)))
Just wanted to say hello and introduce myself!
SHAWN in MI
In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Allison Crilly" <AllisonC@m...> wrote:
> Hi there, I'm new here and wanted to introduce myself. My name isAllison, and I'm a homeschooling single mom to Owen, 8. We've just
started hsing this month, after 3 very depressing and difficult years
in public school. I've been researching hsing, though, since he was
preschool age, so I've started out pretty well in the unschooling
mode, it just seems to suit the both of us better. I'm looking
forward to getting to know everybody here.
>
> Allison
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
ECHSA
Hi all.
My name is Cathy, married to Craig, and living in South-Africa. I have 5
children, who have always been homeschooled, oldest is nearly 12, youngest
is 5 months.
I have always been a fairly flexible/relaxed homeschooler, and
have never used a pre-packaged curriculum (very unusual around here!!! -
many people in RSA, I think because of the HS movement still being so young
here, would feel VERY insecure without the guidance of their friendly
curriculum provider...)
I have been much inspired by the writings of Charlotte Mason, and to a large
extent it is due to her that I have become interested in Unschooling -
although she was not an unschooler, her incredible insights about the mind
of the child and having respect for children have laid a definite foundation
in my thinking.
I am particularly interested to clarify whether or not I can be both a
Christian and an Unschooler without compromising on one or the other - there
is fairly heated debate on this topic in homeschooling circles I notice! In
the short time that I have been conducting my ''research'', I have become
convinced that it is possible, but I don't yet know how to explain how or
why!! As a result one of the things I am interested in is in
communicating with people who are Unschooling, and who are Christians, and
who feel that it is possible to reconcile the two.
We are currently conducting an "Unschooling Experiment" in our home (we have
been Unschooling since 9 October), and I am pretty excited (UNDERSTATEMENT)
with what I am observing. I am reading John Holt, who, I think,
introduced the seminal ideas that led to Unschooling, and I am challenged
and intrigued. I have also been reading the posts over the last 2 weeks, and
am really inspired
and encouraged.
I would like to know more, so I am here to learn....I hope all you veterans
won't mind too much answering the same old questions that I am bound to
ask!! My husband and I have been involved with the leadership of a
home-schooling association, and therefore know how much patience is required
when those really basic, level I questions keep being asked... :-)
Blessings
Cathy
My name is Cathy, married to Craig, and living in South-Africa. I have 5
children, who have always been homeschooled, oldest is nearly 12, youngest
is 5 months.
I have always been a fairly flexible/relaxed homeschooler, and
have never used a pre-packaged curriculum (very unusual around here!!! -
many people in RSA, I think because of the HS movement still being so young
here, would feel VERY insecure without the guidance of their friendly
curriculum provider...)
I have been much inspired by the writings of Charlotte Mason, and to a large
extent it is due to her that I have become interested in Unschooling -
although she was not an unschooler, her incredible insights about the mind
of the child and having respect for children have laid a definite foundation
in my thinking.
I am particularly interested to clarify whether or not I can be both a
Christian and an Unschooler without compromising on one or the other - there
is fairly heated debate on this topic in homeschooling circles I notice! In
the short time that I have been conducting my ''research'', I have become
convinced that it is possible, but I don't yet know how to explain how or
why!! As a result one of the things I am interested in is in
communicating with people who are Unschooling, and who are Christians, and
who feel that it is possible to reconcile the two.
We are currently conducting an "Unschooling Experiment" in our home (we have
been Unschooling since 9 October), and I am pretty excited (UNDERSTATEMENT)
with what I am observing. I am reading John Holt, who, I think,
introduced the seminal ideas that led to Unschooling, and I am challenged
and intrigued. I have also been reading the posts over the last 2 weeks, and
am really inspired
and encouraged.
I would like to know more, so I am here to learn....I hope all you veterans
won't mind too much answering the same old questions that I am bound to
ask!! My husband and I have been involved with the leadership of a
home-schooling association, and therefore know how much patience is required
when those really basic, level I questions keep being asked... :-)
Blessings
Cathy
Loy & Elaine Switzer
Hello Cathy,
I have come to a peaceful place knowing that I can be a Christian and an unschooler too. I came out of a very school-at-home group of home schoolers and it was hard. That is why I signed up for this list. Virtually every home school co-op, mom's group, or any other hs group seemed very curriculum/scheduled/schoolie. I knew that this wasn't right for me or my family. It came down to having to stay away from these meetings, which left me little support. I do know these folks as friends and fellow believers, but usually we stay away from "education" as a topic. I find I have too much explaining to do, they know that I am relaxed and that's enough for them. Maybe when I have more time, but then they seem very intimidated and threatened sometimes by what I say. I really don't mean to say that what they are doing is wrong, but sometimes just telling them what I think is threatening to them.
My faith does not say that I need to have lessons at a certain time of the day, Christianity does not say to me that I have to make my children learn certain things at certain times of the day or even certain times in their lives. My example and the work of the Holy Spirit in THEIR HEARTS is the key. I provide all the learning tools (as my budget and time allow), my own curiosity of life and living and learning as an example, and trust God to work as well in their lives as he does in mine.
Blessings,
Elaine
I have come to a peaceful place knowing that I can be a Christian and an unschooler too. I came out of a very school-at-home group of home schoolers and it was hard. That is why I signed up for this list. Virtually every home school co-op, mom's group, or any other hs group seemed very curriculum/scheduled/schoolie. I knew that this wasn't right for me or my family. It came down to having to stay away from these meetings, which left me little support. I do know these folks as friends and fellow believers, but usually we stay away from "education" as a topic. I find I have too much explaining to do, they know that I am relaxed and that's enough for them. Maybe when I have more time, but then they seem very intimidated and threatened sometimes by what I say. I really don't mean to say that what they are doing is wrong, but sometimes just telling them what I think is threatening to them.
My faith does not say that I need to have lessons at a certain time of the day, Christianity does not say to me that I have to make my children learn certain things at certain times of the day or even certain times in their lives. My example and the work of the Holy Spirit in THEIR HEARTS is the key. I provide all the learning tools (as my budget and time allow), my own curiosity of life and living and learning as an example, and trust God to work as well in their lives as he does in mine.
Blessings,
Elaine
----- Original Message -----
From: ECHSA
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:15 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hello
Hi all.
My name is Cathy, married to Craig, and living in South-Africa. I have 5
children, who have always been homeschooled, oldest is nearly 12, youngest
is 5 months.
I have always been a fairly flexible/relaxed homeschooler, and
have never used a pre-packaged curriculum (very unusual around here!!! -
many people in RSA, I think because of the HS movement still being so young
here, would feel VERY insecure without the guidance of their friendly
curriculum provider...)
I have been much inspired by the writings of Charlotte Mason, and to a large
extent it is due to her that I have become interested in Unschooling -
although she was not an unschooler, her incredible insights about the mind
of the child and having respect for children have laid a definite foundation
in my thinking.
I am particularly interested to clarify whether or not I can be both a
Christian and an Unschooler without compromising on one or the other - there
is fairly heated debate on this topic in homeschooling circles I notice! In
the short time that I have been conducting my ''research'', I have become
convinced that it is possible, but I don't yet know how to explain how or
why!! As a result one of the things I am interested in is in
communicating with people who are Unschooling, and who are Christians, and
who feel that it is possible to reconcile the two.
We are currently conducting an "Unschooling Experiment" in our home (we have
been Unschooling since 9 October), and I am pretty excited (UNDERSTATEMENT)
with what I am observing. I am reading John Holt, who, I think,
introduced the seminal ideas that led to Unschooling, and I am challenged
and intrigued. I have also been reading the posts over the last 2 weeks, and
am really inspired
and encouraged.
I would like to know more, so I am here to learn....I hope all you veterans
won't mind too much answering the same old questions that I am bound to
ask!! My husband and I have been involved with the leadership of a
home-schooling association, and therefore know how much patience is required
when those really basic, level I questions keep being asked... :-)
Blessings
Cathy
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From: Loy & Elaine Switzer
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hello
Hello Cathy,
I have come to a peaceful place knowing that I can be a Christian and an unschooler too. I came out of a very school-at-home group of home schoolers and it was hard. That is why I signed up for this list. Virtually every home school co-op, mom's group, or any other hs group seemed very curriculum/scheduled/schoolie. I knew that this wasn't right for me or my family. It came down to having to stay away from these meetings, which left me little support. I do know these folks as friends and fellow believers, but usually we stay away from "education" as a topic. I find I have too much explaining to do, they know that I am relaxed and that's enough for them. Maybe when I have more time, but then they seem very intimidated and threatened sometimes by what I say. I really don't mean to say that what they are doing is wrong, but sometimes just telling them what I think is threatening to them.
My faith does not say that I need to have lessons at a certain time of the day, Christianity does not say to me that I have to make my children learn certain things at certain times of the day or even certain times in their lives. My example and the work of the Holy Spirit in THEIR HEARTS is the key. I provide all the learning tools (as my budget and time allow), my own curiosity of life and living and learning as an example, and trust God to work as well in their lives as he does in mine.
Blessings,
Elaine
----- Original Message -----
From: ECHSA
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:15 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hello
Hi all.
My name is Cathy, married to Craig, and living in South-Africa. I have 5
children, who have always been homeschooled, oldest is nearly 12, youngest
is 5 months.
I have always been a fairly flexible/relaxed homeschooler, and
have never used a pre-packaged curriculum (very unusual around here!!! -
many people in RSA, I think because of the HS movement still being so young
here, would feel VERY insecure without the guidance of their friendly
curriculum provider...)
I have been much inspired by the writings of Charlotte Mason, and to a large
extent it is due to her that I have become interested in Unschooling -
although she was not an unschooler, her incredible insights about the mind
of the child and having respect for children have laid a definite foundation
in my thinking.
I am particularly interested to clarify whether or not I can be both a
Christian and an Unschooler without compromising on one or the other - there
is fairly heated debate on this topic in homeschooling circles I notice! In
the short time that I have been conducting my ''research'', I have become
convinced that it is possible, but I don't yet know how to explain how or
why!! As a result one of the things I am interested in is in
communicating with people who are Unschooling, and who are Christians, and
who feel that it is possible to reconcile the two.
We are currently conducting an "Unschooling Experiment" in our home (we have
been Unschooling since 9 October), and I am pretty excited (UNDERSTATEMENT)
with what I am observing. I am reading John Holt, who, I think,
introduced the seminal ideas that led to Unschooling, and I am challenged
and intrigued. I have also been reading the posts over the last 2 weeks, and
am really inspired
and encouraged.
I would like to know more, so I am here to learn....I hope all you veterans
won't mind too much answering the same old questions that I am bound to
ask!! My husband and I have been involved with the leadership of a
home-schooling association, and therefore know how much patience is required
when those really basic, level I questions keep being asked... :-)
Blessings
Cathy
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Angela
Hi Cathy,
I have only been lurking here for a week or so, so will give a quick
intro.... I was on this list awhile back, but I couldn't take the volume of
e-mails. I am trying it again, since I have a little more time to read. I
am a Christian and an unschooler. My kids are 5 and 7 and we have always
unschooled. I came to unschooling much like you did. I first read "A
Patchwork of Days" by Nancy Lande. Then I moved on the "The Charlotte Mason
Companion" and finally to John Holt's "Teach Your Own", among other works.
I personally feel that how our children learn has nothing to do with my
faith. I value the unschooling lists I am on because they are the only
support I have for this way of life. I am not really a part of a real life
support group on a regular basis, but I do some activities with a local
Christian group of a different denomination. (My sil is part of the group)
I have shared what we do with a few people who have asked and I have gotten
a fairly positive response. Two people said that they should try playing
more games with their kids instead of battling the workbooks. I certainly
teach my children about God and Jesus, but I will never keep them from
learning about other faiths. When it comes right down to it, you have a
stronger faith when you have explored all the other options and still
believe. I actually enjoy learning about other faiths and cultures.
O.K. about the quick intro. I mentioned.....I am Angela (insatiably
curious), Unschooling Mom to Leigh (7) and Lilly (5). We live on a
want-to-be farm in Maine with a myriad of animals. (cats, goats, guinea
pigs, hamster, rabbit, fish, laying hens) Leigh loves cats and board games,
takes quite awhile to warm up to new people, and is quirky and sweet. Lilly
loves to pretend more than anything. She is learning to read and also likes
board games. Her favorite pets are the guinea pigs. She is cuddly and
cute. And of course both are very bright!! (I can say that, I am their
mom!)
I strongly believe in unschooling, however I still get the doubts now and
then. Should I make them read to me so they improve more quickly? Will
they ever choose to do anything that is difficult and not fun on their own?
Do I care what other people think? I do know the answer to these questions,
yet they still plague me now and then; esp.. after talking with other people
who doubt what I say. My mom is generally supportive, yet the other day she
asked me if I thought there would ever come a day when I had to make them do
something they don't want. I take life one day at a time. If I ever get to
the point where I feel that I must force them to learn, I will deal with it
then. For right now, what we are doing is working fine. When I start to
question myself, I journal what they are doing more. This definitely helps.
Anyway, being unschooling Christians works for us.
Angela in Maine
mailto:unschooling@...
My Unschooling Page!
http://www.geocities.com/autonomousangela
"Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -
William Butler Yeats
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I have only been lurking here for a week or so, so will give a quick
intro.... I was on this list awhile back, but I couldn't take the volume of
e-mails. I am trying it again, since I have a little more time to read. I
am a Christian and an unschooler. My kids are 5 and 7 and we have always
unschooled. I came to unschooling much like you did. I first read "A
Patchwork of Days" by Nancy Lande. Then I moved on the "The Charlotte Mason
Companion" and finally to John Holt's "Teach Your Own", among other works.
I personally feel that how our children learn has nothing to do with my
faith. I value the unschooling lists I am on because they are the only
support I have for this way of life. I am not really a part of a real life
support group on a regular basis, but I do some activities with a local
Christian group of a different denomination. (My sil is part of the group)
I have shared what we do with a few people who have asked and I have gotten
a fairly positive response. Two people said that they should try playing
more games with their kids instead of battling the workbooks. I certainly
teach my children about God and Jesus, but I will never keep them from
learning about other faiths. When it comes right down to it, you have a
stronger faith when you have explored all the other options and still
believe. I actually enjoy learning about other faiths and cultures.
O.K. about the quick intro. I mentioned.....I am Angela (insatiably
curious), Unschooling Mom to Leigh (7) and Lilly (5). We live on a
want-to-be farm in Maine with a myriad of animals. (cats, goats, guinea
pigs, hamster, rabbit, fish, laying hens) Leigh loves cats and board games,
takes quite awhile to warm up to new people, and is quirky and sweet. Lilly
loves to pretend more than anything. She is learning to read and also likes
board games. Her favorite pets are the guinea pigs. She is cuddly and
cute. And of course both are very bright!! (I can say that, I am their
mom!)
I strongly believe in unschooling, however I still get the doubts now and
then. Should I make them read to me so they improve more quickly? Will
they ever choose to do anything that is difficult and not fun on their own?
Do I care what other people think? I do know the answer to these questions,
yet they still plague me now and then; esp.. after talking with other people
who doubt what I say. My mom is generally supportive, yet the other day she
asked me if I thought there would ever come a day when I had to make them do
something they don't want. I take life one day at a time. If I ever get to
the point where I feel that I must force them to learn, I will deal with it
then. For right now, what we are doing is working fine. When I start to
question myself, I journal what they are doing more. This definitely helps.
Anyway, being unschooling Christians works for us.
Angela in Maine
mailto:unschooling@...
My Unschooling Page!
http://www.geocities.com/autonomousangela
"Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -
William Butler Yeats
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[email protected]
Hi,
My name is Michelle. I am new to this group. I was refered to this
group by a very good friend of mine. She does the unschooling for her
children and I was wanting something to try with my child. My son starts
school in August and I don't think that he will benefit very much from it.
He was diagnosed with ADHD when he was 4 and it is hard for him to just set
still for that long of time. I don't know if I should keep him out of school
and unschool him at home or home school hime or send him to school yet. That
is why I joined this group. I wanted some ideas about unschooling and the
different things I can do to teach him and my 3 year old daughter at home. I
just want them to be happy and enjoy learning because I remember when I was
in school and I didn't want to do my work because either it was to hard or to
easy or I was just bored. I had a hard time in school and didn't want my
kids to go through that. Besides keeping them away from at least some bad
things like drugs and so on are good for me :-). I guess one of my questions
is are they going to get a proper education and is it OK to kept them out of
school like that without being fined? Anyway, I hope to talk to each one of
you and here all your great ideas. Have a good day.
Your new friend,
Michelle Kwak
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My name is Michelle. I am new to this group. I was refered to this
group by a very good friend of mine. She does the unschooling for her
children and I was wanting something to try with my child. My son starts
school in August and I don't think that he will benefit very much from it.
He was diagnosed with ADHD when he was 4 and it is hard for him to just set
still for that long of time. I don't know if I should keep him out of school
and unschool him at home or home school hime or send him to school yet. That
is why I joined this group. I wanted some ideas about unschooling and the
different things I can do to teach him and my 3 year old daughter at home. I
just want them to be happy and enjoy learning because I remember when I was
in school and I didn't want to do my work because either it was to hard or to
easy or I was just bored. I had a hard time in school and didn't want my
kids to go through that. Besides keeping them away from at least some bad
things like drugs and so on are good for me :-). I guess one of my questions
is are they going to get a proper education and is it OK to kept them out of
school like that without being fined? Anyway, I hope to talk to each one of
you and here all your great ideas. Have a good day.
Your new friend,
Michelle Kwak
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Mary Broussard
Hi Michelle,
For plenty of excellent information about unschooling, I would suggest the message boards at unschooling.com. You can look things up by topic which I find an invaluable tool when looking for information pertaining to something I am interested in. This list will also be a big help to you in a more day to day way I think. Regardless, welcome, and there will be plenty of good advice coming your way.
Unschooling does not really concern itself with a "proper education", but is child led learning based on their interests. For our family it is basically living and learning all the time, with each situation we encounter. There is never a time when school is on or off, we live our lives the best way we can, following our passions.
Mary
For plenty of excellent information about unschooling, I would suggest the message boards at unschooling.com. You can look things up by topic which I find an invaluable tool when looking for information pertaining to something I am interested in. This list will also be a big help to you in a more day to day way I think. Regardless, welcome, and there will be plenty of good advice coming your way.
Unschooling does not really concern itself with a "proper education", but is child led learning based on their interests. For our family it is basically living and learning all the time, with each situation we encounter. There is never a time when school is on or off, we live our lives the best way we can, following our passions.
Mary
----- Original Message -----
From: BabySCKwak@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:23 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hello
Hi,
My name is Michelle. I am new to this group. I was refered to this
group by a very good friend of mine. She does the unschooling for her
children and I was wanting something to try with my child. My son starts
school in August and I don't think that he will benefit very much from it.
He was diagnosed with ADHD when he was 4 and it is hard for him to just set
still for that long of time. I don't know if I should keep him out of school
and unschool him at home or home school hime or send him to school yet. That
is why I joined this group. I wanted some ideas about unschooling and the
different things I can do to teach him and my 3 year old daughter at home. I
just want them to be happy and enjoy learning because I remember when I was
in school and I didn't want to do my work because either it was to hard or to
easy or I was just bored. I had a hard time in school and didn't want my
kids to go through that. Besides keeping them away from at least some bad
things like drugs and so on are good for me :-). I guess one of my questions
is are they going to get a proper education and is it OK to kept them out of
school like that without being fined? Anyway, I hope to talk to each one of
you and here all your great ideas. Have a good day.
Your new friend,
Michelle Kwak
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those annoying containers that only have one purpose? Well, if you’re like
me, then saving time and money are important and I’ve discovered a way to do
it everyday... with Tupperware. Take a look around my website and discover
products like FridgeSmart™ that extend the shelf life of fresh fruit and
vegetables. Or Rock ‘N Serve™ a great storage, cooking and serving dish all
in one! I'm so excided about these products and I know you will be too.
Throw a in home, online, or book party and get great discounts and a free
gifts from My Gift Party and Tupperware.
Brand New DVD Movies
NOTE: I don't have a web site for this. I order from a warehouse. Therefore
if you would like to see if I have a movie in stock or how much a movie is
you would need to call or <A HREF="mailto:BabySCKwak@...">e-mail me</A>. I have most movies and you can
pre-order for the movies that haven't come out yet. All DVD's are NEW and
guaranteed.
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Diane
The thing with little kids is not what you can teach them--their love of learning is so great, and no one has got it out of them yet.
The big thing with little kids is just to let them--and help them--learn.
My kids are 2 and 4 and we like to play (preschool physics, you know, gravity and densities and such, and interpersonal relations),
read together, go places (social sciences, if you will), and just live. There's not much you can do with kids that age that they're
not going to learn from, except making them sit down and shut up.
It is entirely proper and legal for them to be educated in the real world, watching your real transactions with other real people and
things and processing them on their own level. They do not have to be in a room with other children their own age to learn what they
need in their lifetimes.
Laws vary from state to state, but there are legal unschoolers in every state. Unschooling.com has a state message board that may
have traffic from your state, and there are other resources if you have legal questions.
:-) Diane
in Kentucky!
BabySCKwak@... wrote:
The big thing with little kids is just to let them--and help them--learn.
My kids are 2 and 4 and we like to play (preschool physics, you know, gravity and densities and such, and interpersonal relations),
read together, go places (social sciences, if you will), and just live. There's not much you can do with kids that age that they're
not going to learn from, except making them sit down and shut up.
It is entirely proper and legal for them to be educated in the real world, watching your real transactions with other real people and
things and processing them on their own level. They do not have to be in a room with other children their own age to learn what they
need in their lifetimes.
Laws vary from state to state, but there are legal unschoolers in every state. Unschooling.com has a state message board that may
have traffic from your state, and there are other resources if you have legal questions.
:-) Diane
in Kentucky!
BabySCKwak@... wrote:
> I wanted some ideas about unschooling and the
> different things I can do to teach him and my 3 year old daughter at home.
> I guess one of my questions
> is are they going to get a proper education and is it OK to kept them out of
> school like that without being fined? Anyway, I hope to talk to each one of
> you and here all your great ideas. Have a good day.
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/5/2002 10:48:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cen46624@... writes:
<< There's not much you can do with kids that age that they're
not going to learn from, except making them sit down and shut up. >>
I disagree. I believe that children learn a lot when they are "made to sit
down and shut up."
Particularly, of course, at the theatre.
But anywhere, really.
As do we all.
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344
cen46624@... writes:
<< There's not much you can do with kids that age that they're
not going to learn from, except making them sit down and shut up. >>
I disagree. I believe that children learn a lot when they are "made to sit
down and shut up."
Particularly, of course, at the theatre.
But anywhere, really.
As do we all.
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344
[email protected]
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:43:09 EST Katedavislawfirm@... writes:
down and shut up. I guess I used to create all sorts of ways to torture
and kill the people making me do it, but I'm not sure that counts.
My daughter and I go to the theater because we enjoy it, and we remain
seated and silent out of respect for the actors. "Made" and "shut up"
aren't part of it.
Dar
> I disagree. I believe that children learn a lot when they are "made tosit
> down and shut up."Really? I don't think I've ever learned a thing from being made to sit
>
> Particularly, of course, at the theatre.
>
> But anywhere, really.
>
> As do we all.
down and shut up. I guess I used to create all sorts of ways to torture
and kill the people making me do it, but I'm not sure that counts.
My daughter and I go to the theater because we enjoy it, and we remain
seated and silent out of respect for the actors. "Made" and "shut up"
aren't part of it.
Dar
[email protected]
Hi Mary,
Thank you for the info. I will check that out. It is just hard to
decide right now. I do want to learn all I can about unschooling and home
schooling both. The more I learn the more I can help my kids :-). Anyway, I
am happy to be a member and glad to hear from you.
Michelle
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Thank you for the info. I will check that out. It is just hard to
decide right now. I do want to learn all I can about unschooling and home
schooling both. The more I learn the more I can help my kids :-). Anyway, I
am happy to be a member and glad to hear from you.
Michelle
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me, then saving time and money are important and I’ve discovered a way to do
it everyday... with Tupperware. Take a look around my website and discover
products like FridgeSmart™ that extend the shelf life of fresh fruit and
vegetables. Or Rock ‘N Serve™ a great storage, cooking and serving dish all
in one! I'm so excided about these products and I know you will be too.
Throw a in home, online, or book party and get great discounts and a free
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Brand New DVD Movies
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if you would like to see if I have a movie in stock or how much a movie is
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[email protected]
Hi Diane,
Thank you for you info. I do appreciate it. I am still trying to
learn more things to do to help my kid learn as well as have fun doing it.
It is nice talking to you. Have a good day.
Michelle
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Throw a in home, online, or book party and get great discounts and a free
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Brand New DVD Movies
NOTE: I don't have a web site for this. I order from a warehouse. Therefore
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Thank you for you info. I do appreciate it. I am still trying to
learn more things to do to help my kid learn as well as have fun doing it.
It is nice talking to you. Have a good day.
Michelle
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Are you tired of good food going bad just days after you buy it? What about
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me, then saving time and money are important and I’ve discovered a way to do
it everyday... with Tupperware. Take a look around my website and discover
products like FridgeSmart™ that extend the shelf life of fresh fruit and
vegetables. Or Rock ‘N Serve™ a great storage, cooking and serving dish all
in one! I'm so excided about these products and I know you will be too.
Throw a in home, online, or book party and get great discounts and a free
gifts from My Gift Party and Tupperware.
Brand New DVD Movies
NOTE: I don't have a web site for this. I order from a warehouse. Therefore
if you would like to see if I have a movie in stock or how much a movie is
you would need to call or <A HREF="mailto:BabySCKwak@...">e-mail me</A>. I have most movies and you can
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Hi Kate,
Thank you for your info. I appreciate all the help I am getting. I
am glad I have joined this mailing list. I think I will learn a lot from you
all and hope that I can learn enough to help you all :-). Have a good day.
Michelle Kwak
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Are you tired of good food going bad just days after you buy it? What about
those annoying containers that only have one purpose? Well, if you’re like
me, then saving time and money are important and I’ve discovered a way to do
it everyday... with Tupperware. Take a look around my website and discover
products like FridgeSmart™ that extend the shelf life of fresh fruit and
vegetables. Or Rock ‘N Serve™ a great storage, cooking and serving dish all
in one! I'm so excided about these products and I know you will be too.
Throw a in home, online, or book party and get great discounts and a free
gifts from My Gift Party and Tupperware.
Brand New DVD Movies
NOTE: I don't have a web site for this. I order from a warehouse. Therefore
if you would like to see if I have a movie in stock or how much a movie is
you would need to call or <A HREF="mailto:BabySCKwak@...">e-mail me</A>. I have most movies and you can
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Mary Broussard
Hi Kate,
What do you learn when someone "makes" you sit down and shut up? You personally I mean. Unless of course, you were being facetious. It is sometimes hard to tell on email.
And while you are at it, please introduce yourself and tell us about your unschooling experiences so far or whatever else you'd like to share.
Mary
From: Katedavislawfirm@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hello
In a message dated 4/5/2002 10:48:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cen46624@... writes:
<< There's not much you can do with kids that age that they're
not going to learn from, except making them sit down and shut up. >>
I disagree. I believe that children learn a lot when they are "made to sit
down and shut up."
Particularly, of course, at the theatre.
But anywhere, really.
As do we all.
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344
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What do you learn when someone "makes" you sit down and shut up? You personally I mean. Unless of course, you were being facetious. It is sometimes hard to tell on email.
And while you are at it, please introduce yourself and tell us about your unschooling experiences so far or whatever else you'd like to share.
Mary
From: Katedavislawfirm@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hello
In a message dated 4/5/2002 10:48:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cen46624@... writes:
<< There's not much you can do with kids that age that they're
not going to learn from, except making them sit down and shut up. >>
I disagree. I believe that children learn a lot when they are "made to sit
down and shut up."
Particularly, of course, at the theatre.
But anywhere, really.
As do we all.
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344
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Diane
While I agree that many people learn a great deal while sitting quietly, I
don't think we do so when artificially forced to sit down and shut up. If I
dragged my kids to the theater and made them sit down and shut up, they'd
probably resent it and get precious little from whatever the presentation was.
When we decide to go to something, they enjoy it as long as their attention
remains on the presentation, but we leave soon after it wanes and I would have
to focus on keeping them quiet. Keep in mind, too, that it was very young
children under discussion.
My own kids spent much of this week being quiet and contained as we waited for
our car to be fixed, then shopped for new cars and financing. They learned some
about the process, and some about people's tolerance for activity in various
adult settings, and they learned some about whatever was in the books they'd
brought.
I think I'm rambling.
:-) Diane
don't think we do so when artificially forced to sit down and shut up. If I
dragged my kids to the theater and made them sit down and shut up, they'd
probably resent it and get precious little from whatever the presentation was.
When we decide to go to something, they enjoy it as long as their attention
remains on the presentation, but we leave soon after it wanes and I would have
to focus on keeping them quiet. Keep in mind, too, that it was very young
children under discussion.
My own kids spent much of this week being quiet and contained as we waited for
our car to be fixed, then shopped for new cars and financing. They learned some
about the process, and some about people's tolerance for activity in various
adult settings, and they learned some about whatever was in the books they'd
brought.
I think I'm rambling.
:-) Diane
> << There's not much you can do with kids that age that they're
> not going to learn from, except making them sit down and shut up. >>
>
> I disagree. I believe that children learn a lot when they are "made to sit
> down and shut up."
>
> Particularly, of course, at the theatre.
>
> But anywhere, really.
>
> As do we all.
>
> Kate Davis
rumpleteasermom
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Katedavislawfirm@a... wrote:
not include things like, "your opinion is not worth listening to."
There is a huge difference between sitting still and quiet at the
theater and being made to sit still and quiet 7 hours a day while
someone "teaches' you stuff.
And in the kids talk a lot category . . .
Wyndham told the nurse at the doctors office that he stubbed his toe
on the dog's bone. He then went on to tell her that we had gone to a
paleontologist's place and got the bone from him. Then we took it to
a potato chip factory to have it barbequed.
Where does he get this stuff!!!!!
Bridget
>to sit
> I disagree. I believe that children learn a lot when they are "made
> down and shut up."Well yes but you do need to take care that the lesson they learn does
>
not include things like, "your opinion is not worth listening to."
There is a huge difference between sitting still and quiet at the
theater and being made to sit still and quiet 7 hours a day while
someone "teaches' you stuff.
And in the kids talk a lot category . . .
Wyndham told the nurse at the doctors office that he stubbed his toe
on the dog's bone. He then went on to tell her that we had gone to a
paleontologist's place and got the bone from him. Then we took it to
a potato chip factory to have it barbequed.
Where does he get this stuff!!!!!
Bridget
[email protected]
Hi Mary,
What do I learn when someone "makes" me sit down and shut up? Me, personally?
Well, that depends entirely on the situation. If, for example, I am standing
at the theatre, and the usher shushes me and "makes" me sit down and shut up,
then I would learn about the play, or the ballet, or the music, or whatever
other event I was attending that evening.
If, on the other hand, I am rushing around the house trying to clean or cook,
and my husband takes a dirty dish or pan from my hands and "makes" me sit
down on the back porch with him and silently watch the sunset with him, then
I would learn how to be calm again, and centered, and to feel a part of the
beauty of the world.
Or, if I am merely talking to somebody, and they interrupt me, and "make" me
shut up and listen to them speak, then I would learn whatever it is they are
saying to me.
I was not being facetious. I was merely reminding myself (and anyone else
who wished to be reminded) that many times we learn much just from sitting
still and being silent.
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344
In a message dated 4/6/2002 6:04:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
livinginabundance@... writes:
<< Hi Kate,
What do you learn when someone "makes" you sit down and shut up? You
personally I mean. Unless of course, you were being facetious. It is
sometimes hard to tell on email.
And while you are at it, please introduce yourself and tell us about your
unschooling experiences so far or whatever else you'd like to share.
Mary
From: Katedavislawfirm@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hello
In a message dated 4/5/2002 10:48:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cen46624@... writes:
<< There's not much you can do with kids that age that they're
not going to learn from, except making them sit down and shut up. >>
I disagree. I believe that children learn a lot when they are "made to
sit
down and shut up."
Particularly, of course, at the theatre.
But anywhere, really.
As do we all.
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344 >>
What do I learn when someone "makes" me sit down and shut up? Me, personally?
Well, that depends entirely on the situation. If, for example, I am standing
at the theatre, and the usher shushes me and "makes" me sit down and shut up,
then I would learn about the play, or the ballet, or the music, or whatever
other event I was attending that evening.
If, on the other hand, I am rushing around the house trying to clean or cook,
and my husband takes a dirty dish or pan from my hands and "makes" me sit
down on the back porch with him and silently watch the sunset with him, then
I would learn how to be calm again, and centered, and to feel a part of the
beauty of the world.
Or, if I am merely talking to somebody, and they interrupt me, and "make" me
shut up and listen to them speak, then I would learn whatever it is they are
saying to me.
I was not being facetious. I was merely reminding myself (and anyone else
who wished to be reminded) that many times we learn much just from sitting
still and being silent.
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344
In a message dated 4/6/2002 6:04:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
livinginabundance@... writes:
<< Hi Kate,
What do you learn when someone "makes" you sit down and shut up? You
personally I mean. Unless of course, you were being facetious. It is
sometimes hard to tell on email.
And while you are at it, please introduce yourself and tell us about your
unschooling experiences so far or whatever else you'd like to share.
Mary
From: Katedavislawfirm@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hello
In a message dated 4/5/2002 10:48:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cen46624@... writes:
<< There's not much you can do with kids that age that they're
not going to learn from, except making them sit down and shut up. >>
I disagree. I believe that children learn a lot when they are "made to
sit
down and shut up."
Particularly, of course, at the theatre.
But anywhere, really.
As do we all.
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344 >>
rumpleteasermom
Soemthing that all three of mine seem to have learned somehow. The
girls are quite comfortable being quiet, whether we are talking about
the quietness of solitude in the woods or the quiet that comes from
sitting in a crowd and just watching. They've learned there is value
in not speaking up, just as there is value in speaking up when you
feel strongly.
And Wyndham, even my talker can sometimes find value in silence. It
doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
Anyway, Kate, I understand what you are saying. I also believe you do
not mean, "Sit down and shut up" the way an authoritarian ps teacher
does.
Bridget
girls are quite comfortable being quiet, whether we are talking about
the quietness of solitude in the woods or the quiet that comes from
sitting in a crowd and just watching. They've learned there is value
in not speaking up, just as there is value in speaking up when you
feel strongly.
And Wyndham, even my talker can sometimes find value in silence. It
doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
Anyway, Kate, I understand what you are saying. I also believe you do
not mean, "Sit down and shut up" the way an authoritarian ps teacher
does.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Katedavislawfirm@a... wrote:
> I was not being facetious. I was merely reminding myself (and
anyone else
> who wished to be reminded) that many times we learn much just from
sitting
> still and being silent.
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/5/2002 9:29:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
freeform@... writes:
I learned who I was going to try to avoid being around and darned if one of
those was not my MOTHER who said "sit down and shut up" WAY more than
necessary, and usually out of fear of what others would think. Or out of a
kneejerk habit learned at her mother's knee. (Somewhere in there, someone
was a jerk.)
I haven't had any problems with my kids in theatres. We've taken them to
movies since they were nurslings. They've gone to concerts and musical
theatre and plays.
If I take them to a place where they will lose interest and prefer to run
around, that is MY fault and my problem, not theirs. And there have been
lots of times one of the adults there took a toddler to the back where he
could stretch and squat and wiggle without being in anyone else's line of
vision.
To command someone else to be interested in something is crazy. It can't
happen. That's why so many school kids are drugged, so they can at least
feign an interest in what's happening.
If the parent is aware of the child's interests and prepares him for the play
or whatever, it can be great!
"Sit down and shut up" is entirely disrespectful and counter-productive, and
shouldn't be encouraged.
Sandra
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freeform@... writes:
> I don't think I've ever learned a thing from being made to sitI learned which adults were smarter and kinder than others.
> down and shut up.
I learned who I was going to try to avoid being around and darned if one of
those was not my MOTHER who said "sit down and shut up" WAY more than
necessary, and usually out of fear of what others would think. Or out of a
kneejerk habit learned at her mother's knee. (Somewhere in there, someone
was a jerk.)
I haven't had any problems with my kids in theatres. We've taken them to
movies since they were nurslings. They've gone to concerts and musical
theatre and plays.
If I take them to a place where they will lose interest and prefer to run
around, that is MY fault and my problem, not theirs. And there have been
lots of times one of the adults there took a toddler to the back where he
could stretch and squat and wiggle without being in anyone else's line of
vision.
To command someone else to be interested in something is crazy. It can't
happen. That's why so many school kids are drugged, so they can at least
feign an interest in what's happening.
If the parent is aware of the child's interests and prepares him for the play
or whatever, it can be great!
"Sit down and shut up" is entirely disrespectful and counter-productive, and
shouldn't be encouraged.
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 4/6/2002 11:28:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rumpleteasermom@... writes:
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344
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rumpleteasermom@... writes:
> Anyway, Kate, I understand what you are saying. I also believe you doYou are correct.
> not mean, "Sit down and shut up" the way an authoritarian ps teacher
> does.
>
Kate Davis
Law Office of Kathleen M.P. Davis, Chartered
1400 Centrepark Blvd., Suite 950
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(v) 561.656.4443
(f) 561.656.4344
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[email protected]
Hi,
I have a few questions please. First, can someone tell me what the
difference is between home schooling and unschooling? I was just wondering
being as I don't know that much about either one of them. Also, if
unschooling doesn't involve something like school books to teach from how do
you teach your child everything they need to learn to go to college with in
the future? Finally, how many of you had unschooling when you were a child?
I hope no one takes offence to these questions. I was just wondering
because I just heard about unschooling the day I signed up to this group.
Have a good day :-).
Michelle Kwak
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I have a few questions please. First, can someone tell me what the
difference is between home schooling and unschooling? I was just wondering
being as I don't know that much about either one of them. Also, if
unschooling doesn't involve something like school books to teach from how do
you teach your child everything they need to learn to go to college with in
the future? Finally, how many of you had unschooling when you were a child?
I hope no one takes offence to these questions. I was just wondering
because I just heard about unschooling the day I signed up to this group.
Have a good day :-).
Michelle Kwak
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those annoying containers that only have one purpose? Well, if you’re like
me, then saving time and money are important and I’ve discovered a way to do
it everyday... with Tupperware. Take a look around my website and discover
products like FridgeSmart™ that extend the shelf life of fresh fruit and
vegetables. Or Rock ‘N Serve™ a great storage, cooking and serving dish all
in one! I'm so excided about these products and I know you will be too.
Throw a in home, online, or book party and get great discounts and a free
gifts from My Gift Party and Tupperware.
Brand New DVD Movies
NOTE: I don't have a web site for this. I order from a warehouse. Therefore
if you would like to see if I have a movie in stock or how much a movie is
you would need to call or <A HREF="mailto:BabySCKwak@...">e-mail me</A>. I have most movies and you can
pre-order for the movies that haven't come out yet. All DVD's are NEW and
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Helen Hegener
At 3:20 PM -0500 4/6/2002, BabySCKwak@... wrote:
most of your good questions.
then, but we realize now that's what it was, by golly. My brother and
I spent long days of doing whatever we pleased, exploring and
examining and going on endless field trips and travels and pretty
much left to our own devices as far as "education" went. I remember
endless hours of listening to stories, doing arts and crafts,
visiting museums, and just playing... We learned about so many
different things, in so many different ways, and met the most
fascinating people all the time.
That was in the sixties. I was a normal schoolkid up until about the
fifth grade, when my teachers announced one day that I was too smart
for fifth grade and moved me up into sixth, causing me to leave all
my friends behind and try to fit in with a group of kids that I
simply couldn't relate to, no matter how hard I tried. Things went
downhill rapidly and when my parents realized how unhappy I was they
said if I was bright enough to skip a whole grade I was bright enough
to take charge of my own learning and so I did. Of course it didn't
take long for my brother to decide he'd rather skip going to school
too and that was okay with Mom and Dad. My youngest brother and
sister (now in their late 30's) never went to school at all because
by the time they came along our folks had figured out that schooling
isn't all that important in assuring a child's true happiness.
Helen
> I have a few questions please.I have trouble typing these days (CTS) so I'll let others address
most of your good questions.
> Finally, how many of you had unschooling when you were a child?I did. It wasn't called unschooling, or even homeschooling, back
then, but we realize now that's what it was, by golly. My brother and
I spent long days of doing whatever we pleased, exploring and
examining and going on endless field trips and travels and pretty
much left to our own devices as far as "education" went. I remember
endless hours of listening to stories, doing arts and crafts,
visiting museums, and just playing... We learned about so many
different things, in so many different ways, and met the most
fascinating people all the time.
That was in the sixties. I was a normal schoolkid up until about the
fifth grade, when my teachers announced one day that I was too smart
for fifth grade and moved me up into sixth, causing me to leave all
my friends behind and try to fit in with a group of kids that I
simply couldn't relate to, no matter how hard I tried. Things went
downhill rapidly and when my parents realized how unhappy I was they
said if I was bright enough to skip a whole grade I was bright enough
to take charge of my own learning and so I did. Of course it didn't
take long for my brother to decide he'd rather skip going to school
too and that was okay with Mom and Dad. My youngest brother and
sister (now in their late 30's) never went to school at all because
by the time they came along our folks had figured out that schooling
isn't all that important in assuring a child's true happiness.
> I hope no one takes offence to these questions.No way - that's what this list is here for!
Helen
Fetteroll
on 4/5/02 5:23 PM, BabySCKwak@... at BabySCKwak@... wrote:
life. :-) It isn't leading them somewhere. It's helping them grow into who
they are and who they will become, rather than who society insists they
should become.
Did you make sure to teach them English? Or was English a useful tool they
used while living their lives? There are skills that adults find useful
(speaking, reading, arithmetic) and your job is to make sure they're useful
to your kids at home.
How, you're probably asking ;-) By recognizing that, like English, reading
and arithmetic and geography and history and everything is part of life.
There really is no separate entity called "history" or "science". It's just
life.
They learn to read because they find it useful and because they have
pleasant associations with it. (Snuggling up reading in bed, listening to
books on tape, gaming guides and so forth.)
They learn math because people around them speak math and it's a handy and
fascinating tool. Speaking math means figuring out the answers to questions
out loud.:
"How long until Daddy gets home?"
"Well, it's 3 now and Daddy gets home at 6 so" counting on fingers "3 to 4
is one hour, 4 to 5 is another, 5 to 6 is another. So 3 hours." And I
usually converted that into number of favorite half hour shows since that
was a familiar chunk of time and it immerses them in fractions and
multiplication too. "There are 2 Magic Schoolbuses in an hour, so 3 2's is 6
Magic Schoolbuses until he gets home."
And, "How long until Christmas?"
"Well, it's April now and Christmas is in December." counting on fingers
"April, May, June, July, August, September, October, Novermber, December, so
9 months. Each month has 4 weeks. And 9 4's is 36." (Or you could do days.
Or be more exact as they get older and as Christmas gets nearer.)
And, "I've got 58 cents and I found a quarter. Do I have enough for the $1
baseball card pack yet?"
"Well, 2 from the 25 gets the 58 up to 60, so we've got 60 + 20 + 3 or 83
cents. Which is 7 to get the 83 up to 90 and 10 to get the 90 up to 100, so
you need 17 more cents." (That's *one* way of breaking up the problem.
There's oodles of ways. I think it's vitally important to avoid pencil and
paper math -- unless they like it of course! Break problems up in your head
so you can solve them outloud. That way kids can see how numbers work.)
They don't need to fully grasp it, just get the jist of it. Just as they
don't understand every word we use. They just get the sense of what we're
saying from the words they do understand. But the presence of the words (and
the math concepts) they don't fully understand are just as important as the
words they do understand because they're in the process of understanding
them. They can't acquire new words unless they're available.
History is reading books and watching movies set in the past. And then
talking about how their lives were different, perhaps immediately, perhaps a
month later, whenever they ask. Usually kids will be more fascinated by the
physical aspects (bathrooms, eating, traveling) when they're young. Later
the social aspects. (Back then there were very very few women doctors
because society thought women shouldn't work outside the home.) And still
later the political aspects. (Teddy Roosevelt was president then and he had
different ideas about how the country should be run.)
(But none of that is a given. They may only want to hear stories set in the
here and now. They may grasp politics at 5. ;-) Whatever they're drawn to is
what's right for them. :-)
able to stumble across new things that are intriging. (And just as
important, being able to explore something only for a moment, or ignore
something they don't find fascinating yet. (No matter how vital you think it
is for their future! ;-)
that schools have an exclusive monopoly on what constitutes a proper
education then unschooling will frustrate you. If you can embrace a new
model of "proper education" as helping your children become themselves then
you'll all do great :-)
Special Needs Children
(http://www.unschooling.com/discus/messages/603/603.html?FridayApril52002122
6pm). That will give you a list of subtopics, the oldest at the top, newest
at the bottom. (I find using New Messages and Tree View a much better way to
view them.)
Joyce
> I wanted some ideas about unschooling and theWell, unschooling isn't something you do to a child. It's a way of living
> different things I can do to teach him and my 3 year old daughter at home.
life. :-) It isn't leading them somewhere. It's helping them grow into who
they are and who they will become, rather than who society insists they
should become.
Did you make sure to teach them English? Or was English a useful tool they
used while living their lives? There are skills that adults find useful
(speaking, reading, arithmetic) and your job is to make sure they're useful
to your kids at home.
How, you're probably asking ;-) By recognizing that, like English, reading
and arithmetic and geography and history and everything is part of life.
There really is no separate entity called "history" or "science". It's just
life.
They learn to read because they find it useful and because they have
pleasant associations with it. (Snuggling up reading in bed, listening to
books on tape, gaming guides and so forth.)
They learn math because people around them speak math and it's a handy and
fascinating tool. Speaking math means figuring out the answers to questions
out loud.:
"How long until Daddy gets home?"
"Well, it's 3 now and Daddy gets home at 6 so" counting on fingers "3 to 4
is one hour, 4 to 5 is another, 5 to 6 is another. So 3 hours." And I
usually converted that into number of favorite half hour shows since that
was a familiar chunk of time and it immerses them in fractions and
multiplication too. "There are 2 Magic Schoolbuses in an hour, so 3 2's is 6
Magic Schoolbuses until he gets home."
And, "How long until Christmas?"
"Well, it's April now and Christmas is in December." counting on fingers
"April, May, June, July, August, September, October, Novermber, December, so
9 months. Each month has 4 weeks. And 9 4's is 36." (Or you could do days.
Or be more exact as they get older and as Christmas gets nearer.)
And, "I've got 58 cents and I found a quarter. Do I have enough for the $1
baseball card pack yet?"
"Well, 2 from the 25 gets the 58 up to 60, so we've got 60 + 20 + 3 or 83
cents. Which is 7 to get the 83 up to 90 and 10 to get the 90 up to 100, so
you need 17 more cents." (That's *one* way of breaking up the problem.
There's oodles of ways. I think it's vitally important to avoid pencil and
paper math -- unless they like it of course! Break problems up in your head
so you can solve them outloud. That way kids can see how numbers work.)
They don't need to fully grasp it, just get the jist of it. Just as they
don't understand every word we use. They just get the sense of what we're
saying from the words they do understand. But the presence of the words (and
the math concepts) they don't fully understand are just as important as the
words they do understand because they're in the process of understanding
them. They can't acquire new words unless they're available.
History is reading books and watching movies set in the past. And then
talking about how their lives were different, perhaps immediately, perhaps a
month later, whenever they ask. Usually kids will be more fascinated by the
physical aspects (bathrooms, eating, traveling) when they're young. Later
the social aspects. (Back then there were very very few women doctors
because society thought women shouldn't work outside the home.) And still
later the political aspects. (Teddy Roosevelt was president then and he had
different ideas about how the country should be run.)
(But none of that is a given. They may only want to hear stories set in the
here and now. They may grasp politics at 5. ;-) Whatever they're drawn to is
what's right for them. :-)
> I just want them to be happy and enjoy learning because I remember when I wasAnd the way to enjoy learning is by pursuing what interests them, and being
> in school and I didn't want to do my work because either it was to hard or to
> easy or I was just bored.
able to stumble across new things that are intriging. (And just as
important, being able to explore something only for a moment, or ignore
something they don't find fascinating yet. (No matter how vital you think it
is for their future! ;-)
> I guess one of my questionsIt will depend how you define "proper education". If you hold onto the idea
> is are they going to get a proper education
that schools have an exclusive monopoly on what constitutes a proper
education then unschooling will frustrate you. If you can embrace a new
model of "proper education" as helping your children become themselves then
you'll all do great :-)
> He was diagnosed with ADHD when he was 4 and it is hard for him to just setThere's a very active folder at the Unschooling.com website, Unschooling and
> still for that long of time.
Special Needs Children
(http://www.unschooling.com/discus/messages/603/603.html?FridayApril52002122
6pm). That will give you a list of subtopics, the oldest at the top, newest
at the bottom. (I find using New Messages and Tree View a much better way to
view them.)
Joyce
Bonni Sollars
---if
unschooling doesn't involve something like school books to teach from how
do
you teach your child everything they need to learn to go to college with
in
the future?---
I think if you go to unschooling.com and some other unschooling sites you
can find a lot of answers to your questions.
I came upon unschooling by accident last year when I read a book at the
library in the homeschooling section. My kids were all in school, (I
have four kids). But I did not feel it was how I wanted to live. The
only problem was, I had homeschooled before but always felt like a
failure. I had mostly homeschooled my oldest because he was energetic
and expressive in ways that didn't suit the teachers. Homeschooling
didn't work for me because I always felt like I was supposed to make my
kids do so much work on so many subjects, just like at school. Then they
either wouldn't do it, or they would do it but later on tests wouldn't
remember it. I would see other moms who were probably unschoolers who
said they let their kids find their own curriculum. I thought, "Man,
these moms really have their act together. I could never be that smart."
But, when I read that book at the library called The Teenage Liberation
Handbook, my eyes were opened. It doesn't take a lot of smarts, or
organizational skills, it just takes listening to the children like they
are important individuals with a mind of their own and dreams of their
own. Which of course, they are. I remember how much passion I had for
music growing up, yet my parents never noticed that I was passionately in
love with music. So, I floundered along doing school when all I really
was interested in was writing, reading, foreign languages and music. The
most learning I got in music was from choir. Yet, I wanted to learn
instruments. I lived with my sister for a while and she had a piano so I
paid for lessons with my babysitting money. My piano teacher encouraged
me to continue since I had a talent for it. But when I moved, we had no
piano and no one would pay for lessons. I would have taught myself if I
had even known it was possible. School had taught me that I could only
do what I was told, not what I sought out and figured out on my own. If
my parents would have paid for my music lessons, bought a piano (or
helped me figure out how to find one to use or pay for one myself), then
turned me loose at the library, I would have been perfectly happy.
Anyway, along with unschooling came a whole new thought system. I had to
really see my children as the wonder that they are. To really listen.
And with that came the realization that I have tried to conform them to a
false standard of acceptability. I have had to change my thinking that
the parent's job is to control the children. The adversarial
relationship is no more. Now we have communication. I have had to read
many books, because it is hard to grasp some of these new concepts. So,
I have been unschooling myself as well.
Today I was getting ready to go somewhere, and babysitting. I enlisted
the help of two of my sons to straighten up a bit. I asked my oldest to
clean the kitchen-it wasn't very messy. He whined and said he had
cleaned it yesterday. I said, "Well, what would you prefer to clean?"
He chose the living/dining area. My younger son cleaned the kitchen, but
I noticed he was goofing off when it came time to do the dishes. I
thought maybe he did not understand how to do them, so, holding the baby,
I went in and said I would guide him to show him how to do it. He said,
"I already know how to do it, Mom. I just hate to clean the dishes." I
said, "What do you like to clean?" He said, "I like to pick up things
and put them away, but I hate to wash the dishes." So, he picked up the
dirty dishes and put away the clean ones, then I buckled the baby in the
stroller and washed them.
Now, here is how it would have happened in the past. I ask for help.
Kids whine or do half-hearted job. I whine or put-down kids. Either I
just give up,(forget it, I'll do it), or I get mad(power struggle). Kids
lose 'cause I'm bigger or I lose 'cause kids have more energy.
Now I'm not discouraged by their whines or their body language that says
"I don't want to do what you want me to do." Now, we talk about it. I
see their whining or their body language not as a challenge to my
authority but as an attempt to communicate. It is an opportunity to
really listen.
This is what unschooling has done for me in less than a year. Life is so
much more pleasant. I absolutely love it!
Bonni
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unschooling doesn't involve something like school books to teach from how
do
you teach your child everything they need to learn to go to college with
in
the future?---
I think if you go to unschooling.com and some other unschooling sites you
can find a lot of answers to your questions.
I came upon unschooling by accident last year when I read a book at the
library in the homeschooling section. My kids were all in school, (I
have four kids). But I did not feel it was how I wanted to live. The
only problem was, I had homeschooled before but always felt like a
failure. I had mostly homeschooled my oldest because he was energetic
and expressive in ways that didn't suit the teachers. Homeschooling
didn't work for me because I always felt like I was supposed to make my
kids do so much work on so many subjects, just like at school. Then they
either wouldn't do it, or they would do it but later on tests wouldn't
remember it. I would see other moms who were probably unschoolers who
said they let their kids find their own curriculum. I thought, "Man,
these moms really have their act together. I could never be that smart."
But, when I read that book at the library called The Teenage Liberation
Handbook, my eyes were opened. It doesn't take a lot of smarts, or
organizational skills, it just takes listening to the children like they
are important individuals with a mind of their own and dreams of their
own. Which of course, they are. I remember how much passion I had for
music growing up, yet my parents never noticed that I was passionately in
love with music. So, I floundered along doing school when all I really
was interested in was writing, reading, foreign languages and music. The
most learning I got in music was from choir. Yet, I wanted to learn
instruments. I lived with my sister for a while and she had a piano so I
paid for lessons with my babysitting money. My piano teacher encouraged
me to continue since I had a talent for it. But when I moved, we had no
piano and no one would pay for lessons. I would have taught myself if I
had even known it was possible. School had taught me that I could only
do what I was told, not what I sought out and figured out on my own. If
my parents would have paid for my music lessons, bought a piano (or
helped me figure out how to find one to use or pay for one myself), then
turned me loose at the library, I would have been perfectly happy.
Anyway, along with unschooling came a whole new thought system. I had to
really see my children as the wonder that they are. To really listen.
And with that came the realization that I have tried to conform them to a
false standard of acceptability. I have had to change my thinking that
the parent's job is to control the children. The adversarial
relationship is no more. Now we have communication. I have had to read
many books, because it is hard to grasp some of these new concepts. So,
I have been unschooling myself as well.
Today I was getting ready to go somewhere, and babysitting. I enlisted
the help of two of my sons to straighten up a bit. I asked my oldest to
clean the kitchen-it wasn't very messy. He whined and said he had
cleaned it yesterday. I said, "Well, what would you prefer to clean?"
He chose the living/dining area. My younger son cleaned the kitchen, but
I noticed he was goofing off when it came time to do the dishes. I
thought maybe he did not understand how to do them, so, holding the baby,
I went in and said I would guide him to show him how to do it. He said,
"I already know how to do it, Mom. I just hate to clean the dishes." I
said, "What do you like to clean?" He said, "I like to pick up things
and put them away, but I hate to wash the dishes." So, he picked up the
dirty dishes and put away the clean ones, then I buckled the baby in the
stroller and washed them.
Now, here is how it would have happened in the past. I ask for help.
Kids whine or do half-hearted job. I whine or put-down kids. Either I
just give up,(forget it, I'll do it), or I get mad(power struggle). Kids
lose 'cause I'm bigger or I lose 'cause kids have more energy.
Now I'm not discouraged by their whines or their body language that says
"I don't want to do what you want me to do." Now, we talk about it. I
see their whining or their body language not as a challenge to my
authority but as an attempt to communicate. It is an opportunity to
really listen.
This is what unschooling has done for me in less than a year. Life is so
much more pleasant. I absolutely love it!
Bonni
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bonni Sollars
Helen, thank you for your testimony. It encourages me. Please share
what your siblings are doing for careers.
Bonni
what your siblings are doing for careers.
Bonni
[email protected]
I wanted to thank you all for sharing your lives, lifestyles and ideas.
I am new, too, like Shelley and Michelle and it is very helpful and
encouraging to hear from you all. Especially thanks to Helen - it is
good to hear from grown unschoolers.
Special note to Shelley- sorry to hear about your grandfather.
Sharon
I am new, too, like Shelley and Michelle and it is very helpful and
encouraging to hear from you all. Especially thanks to Helen - it is
good to hear from grown unschoolers.
Special note to Shelley- sorry to hear about your grandfather.
Sharon