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I'll only believe what Joyce tells me about this! <g>

Joyce? I bow to your expertise! WHAT SHOULD I DO????? <g>

~Kelly


In a message dated 2/3/2004 3:56:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jasonk12@... writes:
This applies to all Yahoo Groups

Dear Friends,

Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo
Group users around the net and see what you're doing and where you
are going - similar to cookies. Take a look at their updated privacy
statement:

http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html


About half-way down the page, in the section "Outside the Yahoo!
Network", you'll see a little "click here" link that will let
you "opt-out" of their new method of snooping. I strongly recommend
that you do this.

Click below to opt out
http://pclick.yahoo.com/p?optout

Once you have clicked that link, you are opted out. Notice
the "Success" message the top the next page.

Do it with each one of your web browsers.

Be careful because on that page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button
that, if clicked, will *undo* the opt-out.

Feel free to forward this to other groups.


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liza sabater

On Tuesday, February 3, 2004, at 04:18 PM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> I'll only believe what Joyce tells me about this! <g>
>
> Joyce? I bow to your expertise! WHAT SHOULD I DO????? <g>
>
> ~Kelly

It's true. I am a moderator on another list. Most people do not know
about this because it is not in the interest of Yahoo not to be able to
harvest/mine information from users that they could use in their
business.

l i z a
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Fetteroll

on 2/3/04 4:18 PM, kbcdlovejo@... at kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> I'll only believe what Joyce tells me about this! <g>
>
> Joyce? I bow to your expertise! WHAT SHOULD I DO????? <g>

Ah, the pressure and responsibility! ;-)

I'd go check it out. And opt out of anything that looked suspicious.

Places of business have to earn my trust first. Yahoo has earned negative
trust by placing ads everywhere they can, regardless of their annoyance
factor. Their first priority making money, not making people happy.

We're all getting the lists for free anyway and not (apparently) giving
Yahoo anything in return. But what we are actually giving them in return for
what they give us is our presence (and information) for them to make money
off of.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. We're always paying for what we get
somehow.

Joyce

liza sabater

On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 07:30 AM, Fetteroll wrote:
> We're all getting the lists for free anyway and not (apparently) giving
> Yahoo anything in return.

That's not true. Have you heard of data mining and marketing
demographics?

It is not a secret Yahoo! is a force to reckon with when it comes to
personalized marketing, right up there with Amazon. At least Amazon
let's you know they're harvesting information with your every move
through their site. It's part of their customer service. Yahoo! has
been very silent about the same thing for years. Technically they're
supposed to strip your personalized information from your identity.
Technically. It does not mean they're not keeping the information out
of databases. They're just parsing it out so that they don't get in
trouble with the current laws. Are they lobbying to change the laws?
You betcha. To companies like Yahoo! privacy laws are an obstacle to
making not millions but billions in advertising.

That's why Google is investing heavily in creating groups, BBSs and
blogs.

l i z a
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[email protected]

In a message dated 2/4/04 8:47:30 AM, listdiva@... writes:

<< > We're all getting the lists for free anyway and not (apparently) giving
> Yahoo anything in return.

That's not true. Have you heard of data mining and marketing
demographics?
>>

Lisa, that's what she's talking about.
Nobody pays to be on a list, directly. That's why "apparently" was there.

<< To companies like Yahoo! privacy laws are an obstacle to
making not millions but billions in advertising.

<<That's why Google is investing heavily in creating groups, BBSs and
blogs.>>

You don't have to be on these lists.

If people have to run their own servers instead of just using space on other
people's, they'll end up paying money for the privilege one way or another.
Or they'll use university space, which still ends up costing money in state
taxes or however.

I pay money so that people don't have to see ads on my webpages. For free, I
could have pages and yahoo would put banners on them.

We get broadcast TV, which just means putting the TV in and any $20 antenna
and getting eight or nine channels free where I live. The commercials
shouldn't be too complained about by people who are getting free broadcast. The
promise of cable TV was to have been, originally, that people would subscribe
and shows would be shown without commercial breaks.

That doesn't seem to have been the eventual outcome.

But as sponsored media is a reality (magazines, newspapers, radio, TV), let's
not spend a bunch of time discussing or complaining about it, please. It
doesn't help people unschool.

Sandra