Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Learning Biased was:Unschooling thoughts
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I think I know what you mean, but this phrase doesn't really convey that
meaning imo. You don't mean to reject real learning, but rather the
*reduction* of learning to little skill snips and factoids that can be weighed,
measured and documented in schoolish jargon?
Maybe it would be more correct to say you've stopped being
school-biased then? I sure hope so, because I'd have to say we are learning-biased
around my house and proud of it! :) JJ
tktraas@... writes:
meaning imo. You don't mean to reject real learning, but rather the
*reduction* of learning to little skill snips and factoids that can be weighed,
measured and documented in schoolish jargon?
Maybe it would be more correct to say you've stopped being
school-biased then? I sure hope so, because I'd have to say we are learning-biased
around my house and proud of it! :) JJ
tktraas@... writes:
> I've stopped being learning biased! <g>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Kelli Traaseth
So, learning via a video game isn't as good as sitting with a book??
That's what I'm talking about.
One isn't better than the other.
Sorry if I was unclear. Maybe this would be better, "I've stopped being learning vehicle biased".
Oh well, that doesn't sound clear either. :) Hope you know what I mean.
Kelli~
That's what I'm talking about.
One isn't better than the other.
Sorry if I was unclear. Maybe this would be better, "I've stopped being learning vehicle biased".
Oh well, that doesn't sound clear either. :) Hope you know what I mean.
Kelli~
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From: jrossedd@...
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Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Learning Biased was:Unschooling thoughts
I think I know what you mean, but this phrase doesn't really convey that
meaning imo. You don't mean to reject real learning, but rather the
*reduction* of learning to little skill snips and factoids that can be weighed,
measured and documented in schoolish jargon?
Maybe it would be more correct to say you've stopped being
school-biased then? I sure hope so, because I'd have to say we are learning-biased
around my house and proud of it! :) JJ
tktraas@... writes:
> I've stopped being learning biased! <g>
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In a message dated 01/19/2004 4:26:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tktraas@... writes:
JJ
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tktraas@... writes:
> Sorry if I was unclear. Maybe this would be better, "I've stopped beingYou are omni-method! Delivery-neutral? A serendipity supporter? <g>
> learning vehicle biased".
>
> Oh well, that doesn't sound clear either. :) Hope you know what I mean.
>
> Kelli~
>
JJ
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Kelli Traaseth
Also note the <g>.
Kelli~
Kelli~
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From: jrossedd@...
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Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Learning Biased was:Unschooling thoughts
I think I know what you mean, but this phrase doesn't really convey that
meaning imo. You don't mean to reject real learning, but rather the
*reduction* of learning to little skill snips and factoids that can be weighed,
measured and documented in schoolish jargon?
Maybe it would be more correct to say you've stopped being
school-biased then? I sure hope so, because I'd have to say we are learning-biased
around my house and proud of it! :) JJ
tktraas@... writes:
> I've stopped being learning biased! <g>
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On Jan 19, 2004, at 12:29 PM, jrossedd@... wrote:
example, not judging the value of what we spend our time doing based on
whether the kids are learning or not. It means losing any consciousness
that everything they do is "learning" - and, instead, just "being."
If asked, I can easily describe the learning in what my kids are doing.
But, the point is that I don't think about it anymore UNLESS I'm asked
to do so. I write about it when writing for homeschoolers and I talk
about it when talking to people who are still worried about whether
unschooled kids will really "learn what they need to learn." But I no
longer even bother to consider whether what my kids are doing is
something they are "learning" from -- I passed that point some time
over the years - not realizing it when it happened - and now everybody
just lives and we don't think of it as "learning" we really ONLY think
of it as living our lives.
Still, seeing all of the learning that IS happening as kids live their
unschooling lives, is not a BAD thing. Its a GREAT thing. Maybe this
further stop is just age-related, my kids are ALL teenagers now - and
have proven to me over and over and over that they learn all the time.
I don't have any question about it even in the deepest darkest corners
of my heart or mind and so I'm not concerned and so I don't think about
it anymore. But, also, I don't find it surprising or even particularly
amazing, as I did when I was first discovering what it was like to live
as an unschooling family - now it just is the way things ARE. So -
maybe in a way this is just old fogeys like me being a little jaded
<BEG>.
Except I still think that we're living a lifestyle that is the leading
edge - on the frontier - of what is to come in the future. And that's
pretty cool to think about.
And I still get really jazzed when people newly discover unschooling
and it clicks for them and changes their family life for the better. I
love the warm fuzzy feeling I get thinking that I've had the chance to
help them get there!!! I'm definitely not jaded about that!!!
-pam
National Home Education Network
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Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
>No - it is far more than not being school-biased. It means, for
> Maybe it would be more correct to say you've stopped being
> school-biased then? I sure hope so, because I'd have to say we are
> learning-biased
> around my house and proud of it! :) JJ
example, not judging the value of what we spend our time doing based on
whether the kids are learning or not. It means losing any consciousness
that everything they do is "learning" - and, instead, just "being."
If asked, I can easily describe the learning in what my kids are doing.
But, the point is that I don't think about it anymore UNLESS I'm asked
to do so. I write about it when writing for homeschoolers and I talk
about it when talking to people who are still worried about whether
unschooled kids will really "learn what they need to learn." But I no
longer even bother to consider whether what my kids are doing is
something they are "learning" from -- I passed that point some time
over the years - not realizing it when it happened - and now everybody
just lives and we don't think of it as "learning" we really ONLY think
of it as living our lives.
Still, seeing all of the learning that IS happening as kids live their
unschooling lives, is not a BAD thing. Its a GREAT thing. Maybe this
further stop is just age-related, my kids are ALL teenagers now - and
have proven to me over and over and over that they learn all the time.
I don't have any question about it even in the deepest darkest corners
of my heart or mind and so I'm not concerned and so I don't think about
it anymore. But, also, I don't find it surprising or even particularly
amazing, as I did when I was first discovering what it was like to live
as an unschooling family - now it just is the way things ARE. So -
maybe in a way this is just old fogeys like me being a little jaded
<BEG>.
Except I still think that we're living a lifestyle that is the leading
edge - on the frontier - of what is to come in the future. And that's
pretty cool to think about.
And I still get really jazzed when people newly discover unschooling
and it clicks for them and changes their family life for the better. I
love the warm fuzzy feeling I get thinking that I've had the chance to
help them get there!!! I'm definitely not jaded about that!!!
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/19/2004 8:23:39 PM Central Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
think about having my kids home now and they don't either. For at least a year,
maybe longer I was very aware of the fact every time we went out. Now I never
think of it and am dumbfounded for a minute when we get the occasional "No
school today?". I still cannot figure out why complete strangers ask that
question. It feels good when I do think about it and realize that it is no longer an
issue.
Laura
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
> No - it is far more than not being school-biased. It means, forWe have lost that consciousness as hsers, what I mean is I no longer even
> example, not judging the value of what we spend our time doing based on
> whether the kids are learning or not. It means losing any consciousness
> that everything they do is "learning" - and, instead, just "being."
>
think about having my kids home now and they don't either. For at least a year,
maybe longer I was very aware of the fact every time we went out. Now I never
think of it and am dumbfounded for a minute when we get the occasional "No
school today?". I still cannot figure out why complete strangers ask that
question. It feels good when I do think about it and realize that it is no longer an
issue.
Laura
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In a message dated 01/19/2004 9:23:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
learning-unbiased? <g>
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
> No - it is far more than not being school-biased. It means, forWouldn't that just make you learning-unconscious, rather than
> example, not judging the value of what we spend our time doing based on
> whether the kids are learning or not. It means losing any consciousness
> that everything they do is "learning" - and, instead, just "being."
>
learning-unbiased? <g>
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pam sorooshian
On Jan 19, 2004, at 8:42 PM, jrossedd@... wrote:
-pam
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Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
> Wouldn't that just make you learning-unconscious, rather thanYes. As opposed to learning-self-conscious. Good distinction.
> learning-unbiased? <g>
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
Pam Hartley
--- In [email protected], pam
sorooshian <pamsoroosh@m...> wrote:
but they just don't give me time to doubt, they're always too busy
showing me what they've learned through what they're doing. So
I've noticed, but (almost ) never worried.
Sometimes, an outsider will say something that makes me pay
attention to "what are they learning?", which usually lasts less
than a day, sometimes less than an hour!, because the fact
they're learning, and the ease with which they're learning, is
glowingly, glaringly, flourescently obvious to me.
One of the coolest parts the past few years has been watching
Wally, home now with our business, have a front row seat for all
this too. Sometimes, he calls me on the cell phone when I'm out
on a buying run, just to report the latest. <g>
Pam
sorooshian <pamsoroosh@m...> wrote:
>their
> On Jan 19, 2004, at 12:29 PM, jrossedd@a... wrote:
>
> Still, seeing all of the learning that IS happening as kids live
> unschooling lives, is not a BAD thing. Its a GREAT thing. Maybethis
> further stop is just age-related, my kids are ALL teenagers now- and
> have proven to me over and over and over that they learn all thetime.
> I don't have any question about it even in the deepest darkestcorners
> of my heart or mind and so I'm not concerned and so I don'tthink about
> it anymore.I mostly haven't ever wondered about it. Mine are 9 and 6 now,
but they just don't give me time to doubt, they're always too busy
showing me what they've learned through what they're doing. So
I've noticed, but (almost ) never worried.
Sometimes, an outsider will say something that makes me pay
attention to "what are they learning?", which usually lasts less
than a day, sometimes less than an hour!, because the fact
they're learning, and the ease with which they're learning, is
glowingly, glaringly, flourescently obvious to me.
One of the coolest parts the past few years has been watching
Wally, home now with our business, have a front row seat for all
this too. Sometimes, he calls me on the cell phone when I'm out
on a buying run, just to report the latest. <g>
Pam
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In a message dated 1/19/04 9:44:58 PM, jrossedd@... writes:
<< Wouldn't that just make you learning-unconscious, rather than
learning-unbiased? <g> >>
learning unaware, or learning non-discriminating more like
It seems to newer unschoolers like this talk of the difference between
learning and teaching, or learning and just living is just nonsense, but it's really
central to making the very small leap to unschooling. It's not a far leap,
it's like a hop up and turning around 180 degrees in the same spot. You're
in the same place, the view's just different.
Sandra
<< Wouldn't that just make you learning-unconscious, rather than
learning-unbiased? <g> >>
learning unaware, or learning non-discriminating more like
It seems to newer unschoolers like this talk of the difference between
learning and teaching, or learning and just living is just nonsense, but it's really
central to making the very small leap to unschooling. It's not a far leap,
it's like a hop up and turning around 180 degrees in the same spot. You're
in the same place, the view's just different.
Sandra
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Yes. Well put.
Maybe like when you are expecting a baby, or considering buying a
certain kind of car, that internal change in awareness suddenly makes it seem that
babies or baby stuff, or different colors of that particular car, are
everywhere. This happens to me a lot with all kinds of things.
SandraDodd@... writes:
Maybe like when you are expecting a baby, or considering buying a
certain kind of car, that internal change in awareness suddenly makes it seem that
babies or baby stuff, or different colors of that particular car, are
everywhere. This happens to me a lot with all kinds of things.
SandraDodd@... writes:
> You're[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> in the same place, the view's just different.
>
>
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SandraDodd@... writes:
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