Witchcraft type play was: spectrum kids, rage, unschooling
Kelly Lenhart
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From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Subject: spectrum kids, rage,
unschooling
In a message dated 1/19/2004 10:01:50 AM Mountain Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
-=-it's in losing a grip on what is fantasy and what is real -=-
>It's the parents who lose their grip if they think the witchcraft is real.
-smile- Some witchcraft is real. In the same way that Communion is real.
It is real ritual meant to serve a real purpose in those people's lives.
Now, can I turn my ex boyfriend into a toad? Nah, but then I didn't need
to. -grin-
>IF Christianity is the one and only truth, then there is no legitimate
>witchcraft possible in any way and it's ALL just playing.
Except that certain forms of witchcraft (communication with the dead and
soothsaying) are directly prohibited in the Bible. Not to mention that some
Pagans are polytheistic which could mess with the "put no other god before
me" bit.
The Bible doesn't say other stuff doesn't exist. It says Christians aren't
supposed to do them.
> To be angry or afraid of something outside the one true religion shows a
>lack of faith that it IS the one true religion.
I get your point, but I think it's a little strongly stated. There are
prayers I would be fine with and ones I wouldn't. My MIL's prayer that all
her kids and their spouses find their way to Christ was, well, annoying.
And that's from my place as both a Jew and a witch. -smile- But a prayer
that we find the spiritual answers we need wouldn't be.
>If a Catholic gets angry because a Baptist prayed for her, or if a Mormon
>gets grumpy because someone asked St. Anthony to help him find his bike, or
if a
>Church-of-England member gets furious at the bikeless Mormon for standing
in
>for a baptism of her great great grandmother... well they should be
>embarrassed.
Well, yes, I'd have to agree with this. -smile- I'm of the mind that all
positive energy sent out is a help, no matter which diety it filters
through.
Kelly
Barb Eaton
Well I can tell you what I did. I said "Great! Tell me more about it."I
asked him what he had found out and that he could share with me. That I was
really interested. Then I sat back and listened to him. Really listened. He
told me what he knew at the time. I told him he could share with me
anything. (I had said that for years) He did a _great_ job explaining what
he knew. I think this was about 4-5 yrs ago when he was 13-14.
I was, and still am, very proud of myself too. You see I was raised in a
strict Baptist household. Church every sunday/ sunday night, dresses down to
my knees, no dancing, etc. Also the authoritarian parenting route. The whole
nine yards. I could have gotten really upset and blew my stack but I didn't.
I stayed calm and really listened. I hate to admit it but I/We have been
very controlling in the past and Michael got the brunt of that too. I'm so
thankful that has changed. :-) I may have even been here lurking. I've
subbed and unsubbed a couple times. These lists have helped me a bunch.
Back to my son. He told me a few things and I could see the similarities
to my beleifs. Which have changed a ton over the years too. It also changed
our relationship for the better. I really beleive that up to that point he
didn't beleive I _really_ respected him and what he thought. He has since
then always told me the truth even when he knew I may disagree or be shocked
by it. We've had great conversation on just about everything now. Drugs,
sex, friends, girls, and of course more on religion and Wicca. He now know I
am truely interested and that is so wonderful.
Matter of fact he did more studying and used his knowledge of Wicca to
write his exam paper in English last quarter. He's quite a young man but
then I'm biased. ;-)
Barb E
The hardest battle is to be nobody but yourself
in a world that is doing its best, night and day,
to make you like everybody else.
E.E. Cummings
on 1/19/04 1:59 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
asked him what he had found out and that he could share with me. That I was
really interested. Then I sat back and listened to him. Really listened. He
told me what he knew at the time. I told him he could share with me
anything. (I had said that for years) He did a _great_ job explaining what
he knew. I think this was about 4-5 yrs ago when he was 13-14.
I was, and still am, very proud of myself too. You see I was raised in a
strict Baptist household. Church every sunday/ sunday night, dresses down to
my knees, no dancing, etc. Also the authoritarian parenting route. The whole
nine yards. I could have gotten really upset and blew my stack but I didn't.
I stayed calm and really listened. I hate to admit it but I/We have been
very controlling in the past and Michael got the brunt of that too. I'm so
thankful that has changed. :-) I may have even been here lurking. I've
subbed and unsubbed a couple times. These lists have helped me a bunch.
Back to my son. He told me a few things and I could see the similarities
to my beleifs. Which have changed a ton over the years too. It also changed
our relationship for the better. I really beleive that up to that point he
didn't beleive I _really_ respected him and what he thought. He has since
then always told me the truth even when he knew I may disagree or be shocked
by it. We've had great conversation on just about everything now. Drugs,
sex, friends, girls, and of course more on religion and Wicca. He now know I
am truely interested and that is so wonderful.
Matter of fact he did more studying and used his knowledge of Wicca to
write his exam paper in English last quarter. He's quite a young man but
then I'm biased. ;-)
Barb E
The hardest battle is to be nobody but yourself
in a world that is doing its best, night and day,
to make you like everybody else.
E.E. Cummings
on 1/19/04 1:59 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
> If you don't mind answering--what would you do, feel, think if one of your
> kids came to you and said they felt the need to explore Wicca or another
> Pagan (witchy) religion? I'm not trying to jump on you or anything. I've
> had to consider that the other way around--what if my kids decided they
> wanted to go to church or be Christian.
>
> Kelly
> (the witchy one -smile-)
>