Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Subject: spectrum kids, rage, unschooling
Kelli Traaseth
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At 03:52 AM 1/19/04 +0000, Cheryledstrom wrote:
>I think most of us have experienced the cartoon phenomena. When our
>kids watch violent cartoons, they just naturally display more violent
>behavior.
Donna wrote:
I couldn't let this pass. This has not been my experience with my three
boys. That is, if you mean cartoons like Bugs Bunny or Digimon.
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I have actually seen the opposite (from what the first poster said) in my childrens' behavior.
Since we've started unschooling and allowing our children to choose what they want, they've been more relaxed and less violent. I think they are feeling more content in themselves, less resentful toward me or their father. They like alot of the anime stuff, Inuyasha, DragonballZ, Kenshin. But they also like alot of other stuff too, which includes not watching TV.
Their lives are much happier, fuller. :)
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Wife2Vegman
>What I have seen is that when my kids sit and watch a
> At 03:52 AM 1/19/04 +0000, Cheryledstrom wrote:
> I think most of us have experienced the cartoon
> phenomena. When our
> kids watch violent cartoons, they just naturally
> display more violent
> behavior.
few hours of cartoons, then they need to burn off a
bunch of energy. It happens with cartoons or a movie
or a nature show. It isn't more violent, just need
some large motor activity after sitting so long.
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>nor..as was my bigger worry..."witchcraft" type play from some of the showsSarah likes to >watch.
>MamaBethJust curious, why was this a concern. And out of even more curiosity, which
(witch?) shows?
Kelly
Elizabeth Roberts
To put it simply, we're a Christian family. Mostly it'd been Sabrina the Teenage Witch that we were concerned about that is explicitly witchcraft, as well as more mature shows like Buffy and Charmed. Then there are shows like Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Yu-Gi-Oh and others that deal with monsters, powers, and such.
Now though...we talk about it all more in context with our beliefs and keeping in mind that it IS fantasy and there is nothing wrong with the fantasy parts of it all...it's in losing a grip on what is fantasy and what is real and then seeking out the real parts described within the fantasy, which will lead to harm.
So they're welcome to watch...albeit still reluctantly on my part as I had a stronger conviction about things like that than my husband...
MamaBeth
Kelly Lenhart <mina@...> wrote:
(witch?) shows?
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Now though...we talk about it all more in context with our beliefs and keeping in mind that it IS fantasy and there is nothing wrong with the fantasy parts of it all...it's in losing a grip on what is fantasy and what is real and then seeking out the real parts described within the fantasy, which will lead to harm.
So they're welcome to watch...albeit still reluctantly on my part as I had a stronger conviction about things like that than my husband...
MamaBeth
Kelly Lenhart <mina@...> wrote:
>nor..as was my bigger worry..."witchcraft" type play from some of the showsSarah likes to >watch.
>MamaBethJust curious, why was this a concern. And out of even more curiosity, which
(witch?) shows?
Kelly
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In a message dated 1/19/2004 8:52:46 AM Mountain Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
boys. That is, if you mean cartoons like Bugs Bunny or Digimon.=\=
============
Kirby and Marty have played out some cartoons and shows, but not violently.
They've played out the running around and hiding and character relationships
lots, when they were little.
Marty has a very physical friend. Not one of my favorite people. He's small
and has something to prove, always working out, always challenging the other
boys. That's not from TV, that's from his personal insecurities and need for
attention and respect.
My kids have lots of security, attention and respect, and I think that's why
they find no benefit from hurting other people.
Because of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Kirby has been involved with a
karate school for many years. Last year he was teaching a beginning class and a
very young boy (whose brother is Kirby's age) kinda muttered to himself "Just
like Donatello!" at some point and Kirby heard him. He asked him if he liked
Donatello and Ninja turtles and the boy said yes, and Kirby said "That's why I
started learning karate!" "ME TOO!" so now they're special friends.
Sandra
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mamabethuscg@... writes:
>I think most of us have experienced the cartoon phenomena. When our-=-I couldn't let this pass. This has not been my experience with my three
>kids watch violent cartoons, they just naturally display more violent
>behavior.
boys. That is, if you mean cartoons like Bugs Bunny or Digimon.=\=
============
Kirby and Marty have played out some cartoons and shows, but not violently.
They've played out the running around and hiding and character relationships
lots, when they were little.
Marty has a very physical friend. Not one of my favorite people. He's small
and has something to prove, always working out, always challenging the other
boys. That's not from TV, that's from his personal insecurities and need for
attention and respect.
My kids have lots of security, attention and respect, and I think that's why
they find no benefit from hurting other people.
Because of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Kirby has been involved with a
karate school for many years. Last year he was teaching a beginning class and a
very young boy (whose brother is Kirby's age) kinda muttered to himself "Just
like Donatello!" at some point and Kirby heard him. He asked him if he liked
Donatello and Ninja turtles and the boy said yes, and Kirby said "That's why I
started learning karate!" "ME TOO!" so now they're special friends.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/19/2004 10:01:50 AM Mountain Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
-=-it's in losing a grip on what is fantasy and what is real -=-
It's the parents who lose their grip if they think the witchcraft is real.
IF Christianity is the one and only truth, then there is no legitimate
witchcraft possible in any way and it's ALL just playing.
There have been times when people have been angry that someone said a prayer
for them in another religion, or blessed them in the words of another
religion. To be angry or afraid of something outside the one true religion shows a
lack of faith that it IS the one true religion.
If a Catholic gets angry because a Baptist prayed for her, or if a Mormon
gets grumpy because someone asked St. Anthony to help him find his bike, or if a
Church-of-England member gets furious at the bikeless Mormon for standing in
for a baptism of her great great grandmother... well they should be
embarrassed.
Sandra
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mamabethuscg@... writes:
-=-it's in losing a grip on what is fantasy and what is real -=-
It's the parents who lose their grip if they think the witchcraft is real.
IF Christianity is the one and only truth, then there is no legitimate
witchcraft possible in any way and it's ALL just playing.
There have been times when people have been angry that someone said a prayer
for them in another religion, or blessed them in the words of another
religion. To be angry or afraid of something outside the one true religion shows a
lack of faith that it IS the one true religion.
If a Catholic gets angry because a Baptist prayed for her, or if a Mormon
gets grumpy because someone asked St. Anthony to help him find his bike, or if a
Church-of-England member gets furious at the bikeless Mormon for standing in
for a baptism of her great great grandmother... well they should be
embarrassed.
Sandra
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Elizabeth Roberts
The witchcraft typically portrayed in these shows is not real. However, there IS real "witch craft" and it is a vehicle for Satan to use. Spiritual warfare is very real. I have experienced it first hand within myself, and I have watched both my immediate and extended families go through it.
Acknowledging that these things exist is not a denial of Christ or His Deity.
Being a Christian isn't about following a particular denomination's doctrine. That is being a Pharisee, and something Jesus was totally against. So if a Catholic is upset over a Baptist's prayer for them, one prayed to God in Christ's name, then they do have something to be embarassed about.
In that same vein, keeping a child from being "fanciful" out of a belief that it is a "have to" of Christianity, without examining it then yes, there is a problem there. It's also being a legalistic Pharisee. It's also likely to push them towards the very thing you might be trying to avoid. But discussing it, keeping it in perspective, examining it for the truth and the lies within it...that's a whole different ball game.
MamaBeth
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/19/2004 10:01:50 AM Mountain Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
-=-it's in losing a grip on what is fantasy and what is real -=-
It's the parents who lose their grip if they think the witchcraft is real.
IF Christianity is the one and only truth, then there is no legitimate
witchcraft possible in any way and it's ALL just playing.
There have been times when people have been angry that someone said a prayer
for them in another religion, or blessed them in the words of another
religion. To be angry or afraid of something outside the one true religion shows a
lack of faith that it IS the one true religion.
If a Catholic gets angry because a Baptist prayed for her, or if a Mormon
gets grumpy because someone asked St. Anthony to help him find his bike, or if a
Church-of-England member gets furious at the bikeless Mormon for standing in
for a baptism of her great great grandmother... well they should be
embarrassed.
Sandra
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Acknowledging that these things exist is not a denial of Christ or His Deity.
Being a Christian isn't about following a particular denomination's doctrine. That is being a Pharisee, and something Jesus was totally against. So if a Catholic is upset over a Baptist's prayer for them, one prayed to God in Christ's name, then they do have something to be embarassed about.
In that same vein, keeping a child from being "fanciful" out of a belief that it is a "have to" of Christianity, without examining it then yes, there is a problem there. It's also being a legalistic Pharisee. It's also likely to push them towards the very thing you might be trying to avoid. But discussing it, keeping it in perspective, examining it for the truth and the lies within it...that's a whole different ball game.
MamaBeth
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/19/2004 10:01:50 AM Mountain Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
-=-it's in losing a grip on what is fantasy and what is real -=-
It's the parents who lose their grip if they think the witchcraft is real.
IF Christianity is the one and only truth, then there is no legitimate
witchcraft possible in any way and it's ALL just playing.
There have been times when people have been angry that someone said a prayer
for them in another religion, or blessed them in the words of another
religion. To be angry or afraid of something outside the one true religion shows a
lack of faith that it IS the one true religion.
If a Catholic gets angry because a Baptist prayed for her, or if a Mormon
gets grumpy because someone asked St. Anthony to help him find his bike, or if a
Church-of-England member gets furious at the bikeless Mormon for standing in
for a baptism of her great great grandmother... well they should be
embarrassed.
Sandra
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Rose
WELL SAID!!
My oldest was 6 when he discovered Dragon tales.
It really got to be 'too' much fantasy play when EVERYTHING he did or said
was based on the show. He was bringing the play into his 'real' life.
The show was banned for a short while. Now he can watch it and enjoy it
without it 'taking over' his daily life. It wasn't a good thing to watch if
he couldn't determine what was real and what was not.
I also do not allow 'witchcraft' play. There is a difference between play
magic, super heroes,etc... and witch craft where spirits and potions are
used.
Rose
-------Original Message-------
The witchcraft typically portrayed in these shows is not real. However,
there IS real "witch craft"
<snip>
But discussing it, keeping it in perspective, examining it for the truth
and the lies within it...that's a whole different ball game.
MamaBeth
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My oldest was 6 when he discovered Dragon tales.
It really got to be 'too' much fantasy play when EVERYTHING he did or said
was based on the show. He was bringing the play into his 'real' life.
The show was banned for a short while. Now he can watch it and enjoy it
without it 'taking over' his daily life. It wasn't a good thing to watch if
he couldn't determine what was real and what was not.
I also do not allow 'witchcraft' play. There is a difference between play
magic, super heroes,etc... and witch craft where spirits and potions are
used.
Rose
-------Original Message-------
The witchcraft typically portrayed in these shows is not real. However,
there IS real "witch craft"
<snip>
But discussing it, keeping it in perspective, examining it for the truth
and the lies within it...that's a whole different ball game.
MamaBeth
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:52:19 AM Mountain Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
-=-However, there IS real "witch craft" and it is a vehicle for Satan to use.
Spiritual warfare is very real. I have experienced it first hand within
myself, and I have watched both my immediate and extended families go through
it.-=-
Well then you have beliefs and situations others here might not (probably few
do) and so the discussion can't really be neutral or objective.
Satan could use this list as a vehicle, and so if your priority is protecting
your children from a very-real Satan, how will you know who and what to fear?
-=Being a Christian isn't about following a particular denomination's
doctrine. That is being a Pharisee, and something Jesus was totally against. -=-
So says your particular doctrine.
-=- So if a Catholic is upset over a Baptist's prayer for them, one prayed to
God in Christ's name, then they do have something to be embarassed about.
-=-
They think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.
Sandra
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mamabethuscg@... writes:
-=-However, there IS real "witch craft" and it is a vehicle for Satan to use.
Spiritual warfare is very real. I have experienced it first hand within
myself, and I have watched both my immediate and extended families go through
it.-=-
Well then you have beliefs and situations others here might not (probably few
do) and so the discussion can't really be neutral or objective.
Satan could use this list as a vehicle, and so if your priority is protecting
your children from a very-real Satan, how will you know who and what to fear?
-=Being a Christian isn't about following a particular denomination's
doctrine. That is being a Pharisee, and something Jesus was totally against. -=-
So says your particular doctrine.
-=- So if a Catholic is upset over a Baptist's prayer for them, one prayed to
God in Christ's name, then they do have something to be embarassed about.
-=-
They think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/19/2004 1:24:09 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Laura
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> They think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.I've never heard that one and I am Catholic.
>
Laura
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TreeGoddess
On Jan 19, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Roberts wrote:
-Tracy-
> there IS real "witch craft" and it is a vehicle for Satan to use.I think I saw him using it to drive down I-75 this morning! ;')
-Tracy-
TreeGoddess
So.... Christianity doesn't include Spirits (Holy Ghost) or potions
(Communion -- "This is the blood of Christ" grape juice/wine and Holy
Water)?
-Tracy-
(Communion -- "This is the blood of Christ" grape juice/wine and Holy
Water)?
-Tracy-
On Jan 19, 2004, at 2:02 PM, Rose wrote:
> I also do not allow 'witchcraft' play. There is a difference between
> play
> magic, super heroes,etc... and witch craft where spirits and potions
> are
> used.
rachel_foodie
>Actually, it's the other way around. I am a Christian who "got saved"
> They (Catholics) think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.
>
> Sandra
almost 20 years ago at(how perfect is this) a Billy Graham Crusade. I
was a practicing and devout protestant (although very different with
my unschooling, nurse your kid til he's 5 type views) up until a year
and half ago when I started to unschool myself right into the
Catholic church. Cardinal John Henry Newman once said, "To be deep in
history is to cease to be protestant". He was a protestant
convert to the Catholic church. Anyway, I digress, as a protestant,
in many churches, I was taught that the Catholic church was
the "whore
of Babylon". Even the famous Left Behind Series has the anti-Christs
best pal some former Papal dude. Anyway, there is WAY WAY more
prejudice from the Baptists (and other protestant groups) AGAINST the
Catholics than the other way around. At Mass we pray for ALL
Christians whether or not they are Catholic, that we may someday be
unified as Christ wanted us to "be one as my Father and I are one".
I lived that prejudice of which I speak. Worrying about my Catholic
friends when I was
protestant. I have been a Catholic for a while now, and I am not
coming up against "Baptists (protestants) are the vehicles of Satan"
at church at ALL. However, evangelical and fundamentalist friends
think I have joined the greatest cult of them all and have been duped
by Satan. Oh well. But protestants are taught not to ever investigate
Catholicism. If they did, many would be surprised. I used to think
that people left the Catholic church for protestant churches or
nothing at all. Imagine my surprise when almost everyone I have met
has been an adult convert, from protestantism to catholicism.
Rachel --Happy to believe what I believe and happy that you all
believe what you believe.
arcarpenter2003
--- In [email protected], BonKnit@a... wrote:
Baptist church with friends. My family was Catholic but seriously
lapsed. And the minister put a bar graph up on an overhead
projector, showing the percentage of the U.S. population who were
Catholic, Episcopalian, etc. He pointed to the (much smaller) bar of
Baptists and said "These are the only ones going to heaven. The rest
of these people (indicating other bars) are going to hell, unless we
reach them in time."
I laugh about it now, but as a kid it caused me to spend a lot of
nights crying myself to sleep, worried over my parents' salvation.
So if Catholics don't think that Baptists are vehicles of Satan,
maybe they should reconsider their policy. (Kidding -- really
kidding. No, I'm not bitter. <g>)
I joke about it because I don't fear it any more. I have the same
lack of fear re: witchcraft play; I have a friend who is Wiccan, and
came to it from a Christian background. Like any religion, there are
some Wiccan nuts out there, trying to cast harmful spells, but the
way that she approaches it is very balanced. She's not out to cast
any spells, but to have rituals that help her honor nature and her
body (she's been chronically ill for 10 years and is finally getting
better, so honoring her body is a big thing).
If Fisher is interested in something, I try to treat it the same way
I do when *I* am interested in something: I ask myself what about
that thing is compelling to him? Lately he's been an Air Pirate who
can use simple spells (a la Skies of Arcadia, the Sega Dreamcast
game), and the whole fantasy is just gorgeous -- pirate ships with
full sails and jaunty blue flags, cruising through white fluffy
clouds and blue sky, swords glinting in the sun, and pretty blue
crystals that hold healing spells in them for when we need them. I
can't blame him a bit for being enthralled with it all.
Peace,
Amy
> > They think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.Heh heh -- this reminds of the time when I was a kid, I visited a
> >
> I've never heard that one and I am Catholic.
> Laura
Baptist church with friends. My family was Catholic but seriously
lapsed. And the minister put a bar graph up on an overhead
projector, showing the percentage of the U.S. population who were
Catholic, Episcopalian, etc. He pointed to the (much smaller) bar of
Baptists and said "These are the only ones going to heaven. The rest
of these people (indicating other bars) are going to hell, unless we
reach them in time."
I laugh about it now, but as a kid it caused me to spend a lot of
nights crying myself to sleep, worried over my parents' salvation.
So if Catholics don't think that Baptists are vehicles of Satan,
maybe they should reconsider their policy. (Kidding -- really
kidding. No, I'm not bitter. <g>)
I joke about it because I don't fear it any more. I have the same
lack of fear re: witchcraft play; I have a friend who is Wiccan, and
came to it from a Christian background. Like any religion, there are
some Wiccan nuts out there, trying to cast harmful spells, but the
way that she approaches it is very balanced. She's not out to cast
any spells, but to have rituals that help her honor nature and her
body (she's been chronically ill for 10 years and is finally getting
better, so honoring her body is a big thing).
If Fisher is interested in something, I try to treat it the same way
I do when *I* am interested in something: I ask myself what about
that thing is compelling to him? Lately he's been an Air Pirate who
can use simple spells (a la Skies of Arcadia, the Sega Dreamcast
game), and the whole fantasy is just gorgeous -- pirate ships with
full sails and jaunty blue flags, cruising through white fluffy
clouds and blue sky, swords glinting in the sun, and pretty blue
crystals that hold healing spells in them for when we need them. I
can't blame him a bit for being enthralled with it all.
Peace,
Amy
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In a message dated 1/19/2004 1:17:59 PM Mountain Standard Time,
BonKnit@... writes:
---------
Fundamentalists are big on things and people being "agents of Satan."
In the context of the other post, it was terminology for "something not to be
trusted in any way; something to be avoided."
Sandra
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BonKnit@... writes:
> They think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.I've never heard that one and I am Catholic.-=-
>
---------
Fundamentalists are big on things and people being "agents of Satan."
In the context of the other post, it was terminology for "something not to be
trusted in any way; something to be avoided."
Sandra
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bobalinga
> mamabethuscg@y... writes:Satan to use.
> -=-However, there IS real "witch craft" and it is a vehicle for
> Spiritual warfare is very real. I have experienced it first handwithin
> myself, and I have watched both my immediate and extended familiesgo through
> it.-=-Witchcraft and Satanism are not the same thing. Both witches and
>
Satanists get tired of explaining this one. Satanists worship Satan
who is a Christian creation/pantheon, witches worship the Horned God
and the Goddess.
Different things.
Shyrley
bobalinga
--- In [email protected], TreeGoddess
<treegoddess@c...> wrote:
Shyrley
<treegoddess@c...> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Roberts wrote:Polluting the environment again. Sheesh.
>
> > there IS real "witch craft" and it is a vehicle for Satan to use.
>
> I think I saw him using it to drive down I-75 this morning! ;')
>
> -Tracy-
Shyrley
Elizabeth Roberts
I know that not everyone would agree with my position, and I didn't intend to start a debate but I was asked why I'd felt as I did before regarding those types of shows.
MamaBeth
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:52:19 AM Mountain Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
-=-However, there IS real "witch craft" and it is a vehicle for Satan to use.
Spiritual warfare is very real. I have experienced it first hand within
myself, and I have watched both my immediate and extended families go through
it.-=-
Well then you have beliefs and situations others here might not (probably few
do) and so the discussion can't really be neutral or objective.
Satan could use this list as a vehicle, and so if your priority is protecting
your children from a very-real Satan, how will you know who and what to fear?
-=Being a Christian isn't about following a particular denomination's
doctrine. That is being a Pharisee, and something Jesus was totally against. -=-
So says your particular doctrine.
-=- So if a Catholic is upset over a Baptist's prayer for them, one prayed to
God in Christ's name, then they do have something to be embarassed about.
-=-
They think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.
Sandra
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MamaBeth
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:52:19 AM Mountain Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
-=-However, there IS real "witch craft" and it is a vehicle for Satan to use.
Spiritual warfare is very real. I have experienced it first hand within
myself, and I have watched both my immediate and extended families go through
it.-=-
Well then you have beliefs and situations others here might not (probably few
do) and so the discussion can't really be neutral or objective.
Satan could use this list as a vehicle, and so if your priority is protecting
your children from a very-real Satan, how will you know who and what to fear?
-=Being a Christian isn't about following a particular denomination's
doctrine. That is being a Pharisee, and something Jesus was totally against. -=-
So says your particular doctrine.
-=- So if a Catholic is upset over a Baptist's prayer for them, one prayed to
God in Christ's name, then they do have something to be embarassed about.
-=-
They think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.
Sandra
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Elizabeth Roberts
I never heard that growing up Catholic either...although the general consensus I picked up was that Baptists were "weird" for not allowing any alchohol or dancing..but then not every church is like that just as not all Catholic churches are as liberal as mine was.
MamaBeth
BonKnit@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/19/2004 1:24:09 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Laura
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BonKnit@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/19/2004 1:24:09 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
> They think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.I've never heard that one and I am Catholic.
>
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Elizabeth Roberts
LMAO Yeah, I've seen him out there too...Satan loves to drive in Massachusetts! LOL
MamaBeth
TreeGoddess <treegoddess@...> wrote:
MamaBeth
TreeGoddess <treegoddess@...> wrote:
On Jan 19, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Roberts wrote:
> there IS real "witch craft" and it is a vehicle for Satan to use.
I think I saw him using it to drive down I-75 this morning! ;')
-Tracy-
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liza sabater
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 02:36 PM, BonKnit@... wrote:
days :) It was a rather right-wing, no "protestant anything allowed in
our churches" is allowed in our churches. so they would shun Baptists
and any brand of 'protestantism' that sung, danced, spoke in tongues
and basically kept people alive in the church. And yes, they did look
upon all of it as vehicles to Satan, SO MUCH SO that the Archdiocese
had a fit when one new priest, a good ol' Irish boy from Boston taught
my class how to sing "Oh when the Saints Come Marching In" because it
was considered a Baptist spiritual.
l i z a, nyc
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> In a message dated 1/19/2004 1:24:09 PM Central Standard Time,The brand of Catholicism I grew up has made me the atheist I am these
> SandraDodd@... writes:
>> They think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.
>>
> I've never heard that one and I am Catholic.
> Laura
>
days :) It was a rather right-wing, no "protestant anything allowed in
our churches" is allowed in our churches. so they would shun Baptists
and any brand of 'protestantism' that sung, danced, spoke in tongues
and basically kept people alive in the church. And yes, they did look
upon all of it as vehicles to Satan, SO MUCH SO that the Archdiocese
had a fit when one new priest, a good ol' Irish boy from Boston taught
my class how to sing "Oh when the Saints Come Marching In" because it
was considered a Baptist spiritual.
l i z a, nyc
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Elizabeth Roberts
There is a HUGE difference though between The Holy Spirit, which is both of God and is God, angels and other heavenly spirits and demonic spirits.
In one definition, yes Christianity could be said to use "spirits" and "potions" but an indwelling of the Holy Spirit and an indwelling of Satan or a demon. There is a term for the bread and wine becoming flesh and blood in Communion but I can't recall just what that term is..
MamaBeth
TreeGoddess <treegoddess@...> wrote:
So.... Christianity doesn't include Spirits (Holy Ghost) or potions
(Communion -- "This is the blood of Christ" grape juice/wine and Holy
Water)?
-Tracy-
In one definition, yes Christianity could be said to use "spirits" and "potions" but an indwelling of the Holy Spirit and an indwelling of Satan or a demon. There is a term for the bread and wine becoming flesh and blood in Communion but I can't recall just what that term is..
MamaBeth
TreeGoddess <treegoddess@...> wrote:
So.... Christianity doesn't include Spirits (Holy Ghost) or potions
(Communion -- "This is the blood of Christ" grape juice/wine and Holy
Water)?
-Tracy-
On Jan 19, 2004, at 2:02 PM, Rose wrote:
> I also do not allow 'witchcraft' play. There is a difference between
> play
> magic, super heroes,etc... and witch craft where spirits and potions
> are
> used.
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Elizabeth Roberts
Now THAT one I've heard, and more than once in the Baptist circles...that Catholicism is a "cult" and they aren't "real" Christians because they "worship Mary and the Saints" and yadda yadda...which most of it from what I've seen is more of misunderstanding or not truly being familiar with what the Catholic church teaches/how/why.
MamaBeth
rachel_foodie <rachel_foodie@...> wrote:
almost 20 years ago at(how perfect is this) a Billy Graham Crusade. I
was a practicing and devout protestant (although very different with
my unschooling, nurse your kid til he's 5 type views) up until a year
and half ago when I started to unschool myself right into the
Catholic church. Cardinal John Henry Newman once said, "To be deep in
history is to cease to be protestant". He was a protestant
convert to the Catholic church. Anyway, I digress, as a protestant,
in many churches, I was taught that the Catholic church was
the "whore
of Babylon". Even the famous Left Behind Series has the anti-Christs
best pal some former Papal dude. Anyway, there is WAY WAY more
prejudice from the Baptists (and other protestant groups) AGAINST the
Catholics than the other way around. At Mass we pray for ALL
Christians whether or not they are Catholic, that we may someday be
unified as Christ wanted us to "be one as my Father and I are one".
I lived that prejudice of which I speak. Worrying about my Catholic
friends when I was
protestant. I have been a Catholic for a while now, and I am not
coming up against "Baptists (protestants) are the vehicles of Satan"
at church at ALL. However, evangelical and fundamentalist friends
think I have joined the greatest cult of them all and have been duped
by Satan. Oh well. But protestants are taught not to ever investigate
Catholicism. If they did, many would be surprised. I used to think
that people left the Catholic church for protestant churches or
nothing at all. Imagine my surprise when almost everyone I have met
has been an adult convert, from protestantism to catholicism.
Rachel --Happy to believe what I believe and happy that you all
believe what you believe.
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rachel_foodie <rachel_foodie@...> wrote:
>Actually, it's the other way around. I am a Christian who "got saved"
> They (Catholics) think Baptists are vehicles of Satan.
>
> Sandra
almost 20 years ago at(how perfect is this) a Billy Graham Crusade. I
was a practicing and devout protestant (although very different with
my unschooling, nurse your kid til he's 5 type views) up until a year
and half ago when I started to unschool myself right into the
Catholic church. Cardinal John Henry Newman once said, "To be deep in
history is to cease to be protestant". He was a protestant
convert to the Catholic church. Anyway, I digress, as a protestant,
in many churches, I was taught that the Catholic church was
the "whore
of Babylon". Even the famous Left Behind Series has the anti-Christs
best pal some former Papal dude. Anyway, there is WAY WAY more
prejudice from the Baptists (and other protestant groups) AGAINST the
Catholics than the other way around. At Mass we pray for ALL
Christians whether or not they are Catholic, that we may someday be
unified as Christ wanted us to "be one as my Father and I are one".
I lived that prejudice of which I speak. Worrying about my Catholic
friends when I was
protestant. I have been a Catholic for a while now, and I am not
coming up against "Baptists (protestants) are the vehicles of Satan"
at church at ALL. However, evangelical and fundamentalist friends
think I have joined the greatest cult of them all and have been duped
by Satan. Oh well. But protestants are taught not to ever investigate
Catholicism. If they did, many would be surprised. I used to think
that people left the Catholic church for protestant churches or
nothing at all. Imagine my surprise when almost everyone I have met
has been an adult convert, from protestantism to catholicism.
Rachel --Happy to believe what I believe and happy that you all
believe what you believe.
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>There is a term for the bread and wine becoming flesh and blood inTransubstantiaion? Either that, or
>Communion but
>I can't recall just what that term is..
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
Peace,
Amy
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mamabethuscg@... writes:
There is a term for the bread and wine becoming flesh and blood in Communion
but I can't recall just what that term is..
===========
Catholics call it transubstantiation.
Baptists call it papist superstitious nonsense.
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mamabethuscg@... writes:
There is a term for the bread and wine becoming flesh and blood in Communion
but I can't recall just what that term is..
===========
Catholics call it transubstantiation.
Baptists call it papist superstitious nonsense.
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Fetteroll
This could get into uncomfortable territory.
I'm seeing fundamentalist Christian beliefs in Satan as fact being treated
as though it were a silly notion to be talked out of.
It's akin to asking a Christian how they can possibly believe in Jesus.
Approaching the topic like that isn't going to go any place helpful.
I'm seeing Christian beliefs presented as fact.
That's akin to a Buddhist presenting reincarnation as a fact and that's why
we need to run our lives such and such a way and make such and such
decisions.
Presenting religions beliefs like that isn't going to go any place helpful
either.
Try turning your questions around as though you were questioning your own
beliefs or hearing someone else's beliefs presented as fact to help posts be
made in a less (hopefully unintentionaly) inflamatory manner.
Joyce
I'm seeing fundamentalist Christian beliefs in Satan as fact being treated
as though it were a silly notion to be talked out of.
It's akin to asking a Christian how they can possibly believe in Jesus.
Approaching the topic like that isn't going to go any place helpful.
I'm seeing Christian beliefs presented as fact.
That's akin to a Buddhist presenting reincarnation as a fact and that's why
we need to run our lives such and such a way and make such and such
decisions.
Presenting religions beliefs like that isn't going to go any place helpful
either.
Try turning your questions around as though you were questioning your own
beliefs or hearing someone else's beliefs presented as fact to help posts be
made in a less (hopefully unintentionaly) inflamatory manner.
Joyce
Elizabeth Roberts
thanks I knew it was trans-something or other!
SandraDodd@... wrote:
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mamabethuscg@... writes:
There is a term for the bread and wine becoming flesh and blood in Communion
but I can't recall just what that term is..
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Catholics call it transubstantiation.
Baptists call it papist superstitious nonsense.
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SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/19/2004 2:54:49 PM Mountain Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
There is a term for the bread and wine becoming flesh and blood in Communion
but I can't recall just what that term is..
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Catholics call it transubstantiation.
Baptists call it papist superstitious nonsense.
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Robyn Coburn
Shyrley, yippee � how are you? All safe back home? Good to see your name
again! I agree with your point also. Pagans are extremely diverse.
Robyn L. Coburn
<<Witchcraft and Satanism are not the same thing. Both witches and
Satanists get tired of explaining this one. Satanists worship Satan
who is a Christian creation/pantheon, witches worship the Horned God
and the Goddess.
Different things.
Shyrley>>
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again! I agree with your point also. Pagans are extremely diverse.
Robyn L. Coburn
<<Witchcraft and Satanism are not the same thing. Both witches and
Satanists get tired of explaining this one. Satanists worship Satan
who is a Christian creation/pantheon, witches worship the Horned God
and the Goddess.
Different things.
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>>It wasn't a good thing to watch ifhe couldn't determine what was real and what was not.
**Not having a distinct line between fantasy and reality is an integral
part of childhood. It's important (and fun, which is also important).
~Rue
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Kelly Lenhart
>I also do not allow 'witchcraft' play. There is a difference between playBut if the play is different from the real thing, why not allow the play?
>magic, super heroes,etc... and witch craft where spirits and potions are
>used.
>Rose
That's the part I don't get.
TV witches are not real witchcraft. Trust a real witch. So why would play
based on that fantasy not be ok?
Kelly