Wife2Vegman

--- Elizabeth Roberts <mamabethuscg@...> wrote:
>
http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/Articles/200401%20JanFeb%20Give%20Me%20Liberty.htm
>
> Ok let's see if that doesn't work better!
>
> MamaBeth
>


Thanks, Elizabeth. It was an...interesting...article.

But I have strong objections to the Pearls and the
Ezzos and their methods of child training, so it is no
surprise they let their toddler fall into the pond to
teach it danger.

You know, there is another school of thought, that we
don't have to expose our kids to bad things in order
for them to understand that bad things are, well, bad.

The federal agents that are trained to recognize
counterfeit money don't spend hours and hours studying
counterfeits. They spend hours, months, years
studying the real thing. And then when they see a
counterfeit they know right away, because of what it
isn't.



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WifetoVegman

What is most important and valuable about the home as a base for children's growth into the world is not that it is a better school than the schools, but that it isn't a school at all. John Holt

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Elizabeth Roberts

I'm not very familiar with the Pearl's methods, although from what I understand they do advocate spanking...I've heard much more, and read some excerpts from the materials of, the Ezzos and I do disagree with their philosophy.

Most of what I've read recently from that listing of articles has been somewhat unschoolish in approach and understanding, although I recognize where the articles have been picked to possibly give the best impression overall when there may very well be other things more specifically that I wouldn't agree with...

I don't agree that letting a toddler fall into a pond is the best way to handle having one around; rather, helping the child to learn to swim from an early age.

Overall though I had wanted to toss out that one quote for discussion rather than the Pearl's ideas...

I do agree that it takes more awareness to parent as we are than in a more traditional and adversarial approach. That is the key to unschooling isn't it? Being aware of our children, who they are, what they like, what they want, rather than imposing rules and "musts" and "coulds" and "shoulds" on them? Giving them the liberty to be themselves, and secure in that?

MamaBeth

Wife2Vegman <wifetovegman2002@...> wrote:

--- Elizabeth Roberts <mamabethuscg@...> wrote:
>
http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/Articles/200401%20JanFeb%20Give%20Me%20Liberty.htm
>
> Ok let's see if that doesn't work better!
>
> MamaBeth
>


Thanks, Elizabeth. It was an...interesting...article.

But I have strong objections to the Pearls and the
Ezzos and their methods of child training, so it is no
surprise they let their toddler fall into the pond to
teach it danger.

You know, there is another school of thought, that we
don't have to expose our kids to bad things in order
for them to understand that bad things are, well, bad.

The federal agents that are trained to recognize
counterfeit money don't spend hours and hours studying
counterfeits. They spend hours, months, years
studying the real thing. And then when they see a
counterfeit they know right away, because of what it
isn't.



=====
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WifetoVegman

What is most important and valuable about the home as a base for children's growth into the world is not that it is a better school than the schools, but that it isn't a school at all. John Holt

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Wife2Vegman

--- Elizabeth Roberts <mamabethuscg@...> wrote:
> I'm not very familiar with the Pearl's methods,
> although from what I understand they do advocate
> spanking...I've heard much more, and read some
> excerpts from the materials of, the Ezzos and I do
> disagree with their philosophy.
>
> Most of what I've read recently from that listing of
> articles has been somewhat unschoolish in approach
> and understanding, although I recognize where the
> articles have been picked to possibly give the best
> impression overall when there may very well be other
> things more specifically that I wouldn't agree
> with...

Right. Well, it would not be helpful to anyone's
unschooling to discuss their philosophies here, of
course. And anyone who wants to know about them can
certainly google enough information.

I know enough about the Pearls to know where the idea
of training a toddler to be afraid of the pond by
allowing him to fall in it comes from. They do
advocate training infants and toddlers with a switch
to not touch things or not go where they shouldn't, so
it would fall in that same vein.

I did like the descriptions of their children's
childhood experiences as missionaries though, and how
they were able to draw on those experiences later in
life.

It does show that our children's experiences do
adequately prepare them for their choices as adults,
now, doesn't it!?



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WifetoVegman

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liza sabater

On Friday, January 16, 2004, at 11:40 AM, Wife2Vegman wrote:

> You know, there is another school of thought, that we
> don't have to expose our kids to bad things in order
> for them to understand that bad things are, well, bad.
>
> The federal agents that are trained to recognize
> counterfeit money don't spend hours and hours studying
> counterfeits. They spend hours, months, years
> studying the real thing. And then when they see a
> counterfeit they know right away, because of what it
> isn't.
>

I love that analogy! I am keeping this one for further pondering.

l i z a
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