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OK, I'm really tired of being pregnant. So I figured I'd ask all you moms
(and some dads) out there what you did to hurry things along. I'm 38 weeks, the
baby "isn't small" according to my midwife and I'm attempting a VBAC, so I
can't be induced artificially. My first was vaginal, so I have an 80% chance of
being successful. My second was an emergency c-section because of placenta
preevia.

I'm drinking raspberry leaf tea, trying to be active when all I want to do is
sleep, etc. I've gained more weight with this one than the others, but don't
have gestational diabetes this time around. All I want to do is float in a
pool.

Any advice???

Elizabeth in IL, the whining one


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In a message dated 1/13/2004 12:58:03 PM Mountain Standard Time,
ejcrewe@... writes:


> Any advice???

Hi Elizabeth, I am relatively new to this list (actually back again after
being gone for a while), but not new to pregnancy and childbirth!LOL
After 5, I can say that I have tried it all... the raspberry tea, mineral
oil, walking endless miles in the hot July evenings, sex... you name it... none
of these things really did anything for me. BTW, the mineral oil just gave me
cramps and diarrhea! :0(
One thing that did seem to bring on contractions, but not strong enough to do
the trick for me was nipple stimulation... I used the little portable breast
pump I had. I wound up being induced with all 5, so I wish I had better
advice for you! I look forward to reading others' suggestions!


Michelle
Mom to Emily-7
Cassidy-6
Maria Rose- 4
Ethan- 2
"Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study without a
liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
--Leonardo da Vinci




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Kelly

I highly recommend Evening Primrose Oil. You can find them over the counter at any grocery store and I think Walmart carries them, too. I went from closed to 3cms within a week of starting to take them.

Here's a link to more possibilities!

http://www.agentlejourney.com/laborencouragement.html

Kelly

"One day you'll wake up and realize you wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for $1.50 in late fees at the public library." - Good Will Hunting

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] labor inducing hints


OK, I'm really tired of being pregnant. So I figured I'd ask all you moms
(and some dads) out there what you did to hurry things along. I'm 38 weeks, the
baby "isn't small" according to my midwife and I'm attempting a VBAC, so I
can't be induced artificially. My first was vaginal, so I have an 80% chance of
being successful. My second was an emergency c-section because of placenta
preevia.

I'm drinking raspberry leaf tea, trying to be active when all I want to do is
sleep, etc. I've gained more weight with this one than the others, but don't
have gestational diabetes this time around. All I want to do is float in a
pool.

Any advice???

Elizabeth in IL, the whining one


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E, Try what got you pregnant. Seriously it may work. Natural inducing
agents........
The big baby is something ive experienced with my daughter being 10 pounds 12
1/4 ozs you must be very uncomfortable at this point. Almost like having two
in there im sure.

Have you picked a name?

Laura
Dustin 12
Cassidy 4
Nicholas 20mo
EDD Zachary Tyler 5/03

***********************************************************************
OK, I'm really tired of being pregnant. So I figured I'd ask all you moms
(and some dads) out there what you did to hurry things along. I'm 38 weeks,
the
baby "isn't small" according to my midwife and I'm attempting a VBAC, so I
can't be induced artificially. My first was vaginal, so I have an 80% chance
of
being successful. My second was an emergency c-section because of placenta
preevia.

I'm drinking raspberry leaf tea, trying to be active when all I want to do is
sleep, etc. I've gained more weight with this one than the others, but don't
have gestational diabetes this time around. All I want to do is float in a
pool.

Any advice???

Elizabeth in IL, the whining one


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Dana Matt

I would like to say...think of your pregnancy as the
beginning of unparenting, unschooling...and try
unbirthing. Don't keep track of dates. Don't do
anything to induce. Let that baby come when he/she's
ready to make an appearance, and don't worry about
size. Woman have been birthing babies since before
the dawn of time, and you will birth this one when
he/she is ready, and not a minute before.
Dana
--- HMSL2@... wrote:
> E, Try what got you pregnant. Seriously it may work.
> Natural inducing
> agents........
> The big baby is something ive experienced with my
> daughter being 10 pounds 12
> 1/4 ozs you must be very uncomfortable at this
> point. Almost like having two
> in there im sure.
>
> Have you picked a name?
>
> Laura
> Dustin 12
> Cassidy 4
> Nicholas 20mo
> EDD Zachary Tyler 5/03
>
>
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> OK, I'm really tired of being pregnant. So I
> figured I'd ask all you moms
> (and some dads) out there what you did to hurry
> things along. I'm 38 weeks,
> the
> baby "isn't small" according to my midwife and I'm
> attempting a VBAC, so I
> can't be induced artificially. My first was
> vaginal, so I have an 80% chance
> of
> being successful. My second was an emergency
> c-section because of placenta
> preevia.
>
> I'm drinking raspberry leaf tea, trying to be active
> when all I want to do is
> sleep, etc. I've gained more weight with this one
> than the others, but don't
> have gestational diabetes this time around. All I
> want to do is float in a
> pool.
>
> Any advice???
>
> Elizabeth in IL, the whining one
>
>
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> removed]
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> big baby is something ive experienced with my daughter being 10 pounds 12
> 1/4 ozs you must be very uncomfortable at this point. Almost like having two
>
> in there im sure.
>
>

Please! I really don't want a big baby. Like I have much choice. Nathan
was 8 pounds and Julia was 6 pounds 15 oz, but she was 6 weeks early. I think
most of my discomfort is just that it's easier to be hugely pregnant at 35 than
it is at 39. That and I still have all this metal in my ankle, so the
swelling is impossible. I'm still not wearing socks - even men's socks are too
snug. I wear my birkenstocks whenever I can and live in Chicago - thank goodness
we've had a pretty mild winter so far.

My midwife suggested sex, too. And I've done Mexican food, although not
really spicey stuff.

No names yet. It's a boy. We like a couple of names and just have to meet
him first. My Julia, at four, keeps poking at my belly button and telling him
to come out! It's really cute.

Thanks for the suggestion. Any others?

Elizabeth in IL


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In a message dated 1/13/04 2:39:39 PM, ejcrewe@... writes:

<< So I figured I'd ask all you moms
(and some dads) out there what you did to hurry things along. >>

Watch movies.
Sleep.
Do whatever will keep you from looking at a clock or a calendar.
The baby's more comfortable and safer inside than out.

<<I've gained more weight with this one than the others, but don't
have gestational diabetes this time around.>>

"Gestational diabetes" just means "eat more protein" anyway. So keep eating
protein, drink water, get friends of yours to lend you all their mesmerizing
mushy movies.

And I don't know if you have read Spiritual Midwifery or if someone has given
you this tip, but when you are in early labor, if you can have some time
alone with your husband for sexual stimulation (YOURS, not his) that has been seen
to do some biochemical stuff that helps contractions and whatever all.
Nipple stimulation and, if possible, orgasm.

Sandra

Inna Manni

Umm... Hi everyone! I guess I will have to send another msg to
introduce myself.

On labor starting and stopping: that's totally normal and can happen
to humans as well as goats.

On inductions in general: just say no to this idea! Inductions are
dangerous and cause more problems that them "solve". One cannot rely
on tests or statistics, but needs to only be patient and trust in
one's own body. Besides, no matter how "bad" the pregnancy was, the
first weeks of parenthood are worse. Look at the last weeks of
pregancy as your last chance to be free of the scariest and most
daunting of responsibilies.

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On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, at 07:26 PM, SandraDodd@... wrote:

> sexual stimulation (YOURS, not his) that has been seen
> to do some biochemical stuff that helps contractions and whatever all.

I was recommended to do that because I was 2 weeks late with Aidan. And
drink castor oil, which has natural progesterone (i think rose hips as
well) ... but i would go into false labor each and every time. i was
eventually induced.

l i z a
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Marjorie Kirk

***********************************************************************
OK, I'm really tired of being pregnant. So I figured I'd ask all you moms
(and some dads) out there what you did to hurry things along. I'm 38 weeks,
the baby "isn't small" according to my midwife and I'm attempting a VBAC, so
I can't be induced artificially. My first was vaginal, so I have an 80%
chance of being successful. My second was an emergency c-section because of
placenta preevia.

I'm drinking raspberry leaf tea, trying to be active when all I want to do
is sleep, etc. I've gained more weight with this one than the others, but
don't have gestational diabetes this time around. All I want to do is float
in a pool.

Any advice???

Elizabeth in IL, the whining one



I've heard that black or blue cohosh helps, although I haven't tried it
personally. My midwife recommended evening primrose oil (first as a dietary
supplement them applied topically on the cervix). The morning after I used
it(topically) I woke up in labor. Sex is an old stand-by. We resorted to
that when my labor stalled after 10 hours in the hospital!!
I really wanted to have that baby and get home!

Marjorie

Lyle W.

I haven't read the other replies, but I'm sure this has been suggested by now. Within the last two weeks of both my wife's pregnancies, we hadn't had sex in a while simply because she was too uncomfortable and not in the mood. But both times she finally decided that ANYTHING was worth a try. We had sex, and the next day we had a baby! It worked like a charm for us. Both times. (or maybe it was coincidence, but I wasn't complaing.)

:)

Lyle


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<<All I want to do is float
in a pool.

Any advice???>>

Go to the YMCA and float in their indoor pool for a while?

The book I loved while pregnant was "Birthing From Within".

Robyn L. Coburn








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In a message dated 1/14/2004 5:52:10 AM Central Standard Time,
SpinFrog@... writes:


> On inductions in general: just say no to this idea! Inductions are
> dangerous and cause more problems that them "solve". One cannot rely
> on tests or statistics, but needs to only be patient and trust in
> one's own body. Besides, no matter how "bad" the pregnancy was, the
> first weeks of parenthood are worse. Look at the last weeks of
> pregancy as your last chance to be free of the scariest and most
> daunting of responsibilies.
>

Everyone has been so helpful! I can't thank you enough. I can't be induced
because I had a c-section last time, so I don't have to think about that. I'm
just going to try to zen this and let it happen when it does. And take my 4
and 5 year old swimming as much as possible. Luckily, they really enjoy the
long hot showers afterwards, so their skin isn't all chlorine-ladden. I've
been watching a lot of DVDs lately, too. And trying to just think of my due date
as the end of January.

Naps are good too.

Elizabeth in IL


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Penn Acres

On labour in Dairy goats. I raised a very large herd of Dairy goats for over 15 years and I would say that the appearance of labour starting and stopping is not normal and would for me have been a definite cause for concern.
I assume that the breeding date is not known. that makes it harder to determine if thay are due.
They are not likely to go more than a few days past a known breeding date. Multiple births which are very common in goats -from twins being the norm to quads and quints not uncommon in Nubians. Many of my Alpines routinely had triplets.
If the tail head is raised and soft underneath-the birth procedure has usually started. If this is accompanied by straining or contractions that then stop; you have definite cause to take further steps. Kids that are tangled or badly presented can be the cause. Poor gestational nutrition and selenium deficiency can be other common causes of birthing complications.
Some does carrying multiple fetuses may have ketosis which can cause them to go off their feed and lay down not cudding and give the empression that labor is imminent. Bagging up and leaking prior to kidding is not necessarily a sign of imminent kidding but can cause loss of colestrum which is of course not good!!! freezing excess colestrum from another doe is always a good idea.....but then I digress ...as always ;-)
and I sympathize with the goat owner who needs that doe to kid now!!!!
grace...in the snowy rockies of BC who misses her dairy goats but not the work..


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In a message dated 1/13/04 4:49:08 PM, ejcrewe@... writes:

<< And I've done Mexican food, although not
really spicey stuff. >>

That won't do anything. If it did, all Mexican babies would be born early.
<g>


Or maybe she just means the shock to your system if you're not used to it!
Maybe she means the gas from many beans. <g>

<<Thanks for the suggestion. Any others?>>

I'm back to the movies and naps. A coma would be inconvenient since there
are other kids, so whatever you can do that's most like a coma so you forget the
time is passing.

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/13/04 7:14:48 PM, listdiva@... writes:

<< but i would go into false labor each and every time. >>

"False labor" is a false idea. ANY labor helps. Some people's "labor" is
spread over hours, some over days or weeks.

Hospitals call it "false" if you're not worth admitting and you're not going
to have a baby within 24 hours, but midwives tend to say that any contractions
are good for you and the baby and that all of a sudden, hard labor isn't as
good as gentler, longer labor.

(Just to consider for the next time. <g>)

It's Marty's birthday.

Fifteen years ago, I went into labor on the 12th. Not slow and easy labor.
It's not a great story, except Marty's great.

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/14/04 4:52:13 AM, SpinFrog@... writes:

<< On inductions in general: just say no to this idea! Inductions are
dangerous and cause more problems that them "solve". One cannot rely
on tests or statistics, but needs to only be patient and trust in
one's own body. >>

I SO agree.
Due dates are nonsense.

<<Besides, no matter how "bad" the pregnancy was, the
first weeks of parenthood are worse. Look at the last weeks of
pregancy as your last chance to be free of the scariest and most
daunting of responsibilies. >>

I was telling Holly the other day, when she was talking about how she might
feel having a first baby and wanting to see it, that I REALLY wanted to see
Kirby, and touch him, and play with him, and I even used to wake him up from a
nap to see him see me!

But with Marty I was all for having him stay in there as long as he wanted to.

Then with Holly, she came before I thought it was time, and so there was no
waiting or wondering, it was just happening early.

Sandra

Tia Leschke

>
>
>Please! I really don't want a big baby. Like I have much choice.

My friend had 4 over 10 lbs. All but the last were born at home with no
problems. The last got a bit stuck, so we all went to the hospital. She
stayed stuck, and the doc kept threatening to "take the baby". When it
stopped being a threat, and they were just waiting for a free operating
room, it all got going again, and she pushed him out quite quickly. Your
body will handle whatever size baby you've grown.
Tia

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In a message dated 1/14/2004 1:30:54 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:


> A coma would be inconvenient

A coma diet would be nice.....LOL
Laura


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Mary

From: <ejcrewe@...>

<<Everyone has been so helpful! I can't thank you enough. I can't be
induced
because I had a c-section last time, so I don't have to think about that. >>


I'm just rather curious as to what the previous c section has to do with
being induced? I was induced for all my kids and had 2 VBAC's after my first
which was a c section.



Mary B.
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In a message dated 1/14/2004 1:30:59 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:


> A coma would be inconvenient since there
> are other kids, so whatever you can do that's most like a coma so you forget
> the
> time is passing.
>

This cracked me up! Actually, we are pretty much in a coma right now, having
spent two hours swimming and a big lunch at McD's (big mac craving). I just
switched from Mentura to Netflix and am sooooooo happy. Except that I keep
falling asleep watching a Crusades thing.

Elizabeth in IL


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In a message dated 1/14/2004 4:04:10 PM Central Standard Time,
mummy124@... writes:


> I'm just rather curious as to what the previous c section has to do with
> being induced? I was induced for all my kids and had 2 VBAC's after my first
> which was a c section.

They've recently changed the protocol because induced labor elevates the risk
of uterine rupture. I think this was in the last year or two. They would
never induce two weeks early anyway, but they wont let me go more than a week
late either.

I guess part of the problem is the whole due date thing. Sometimes I still
get my son's birthday wrong and he was only two days early! He's five now.
Plus, we kept telling the kids that Lovey (their name for the baby) would come
after Christmas - first Halloween, then Thanksgiving, then Christmas, then
Lovey. So, Christmas is over and where is the boy??? It's hard enough for me to
get it, much less a four and five year old.

elizabeth


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Mary

From: <ejcrewe@...>

<<They've recently changed the protocol because induced labor elevates the
risk
of uterine rupture. I think this was in the last year or two. They would
never induce two weeks early anyway, but they wont let me go more than a
week
late either.

I guess part of the problem is the whole due date thing. Sometimes I still
get my son's birthday wrong and he was only two days early! He's five now.
Plus, we kept telling the kids that Lovey (their name for the baby) would
come
after Christmas - first Halloween, then Thanksgiving, then Christmas, then
Lovey. So, Christmas is over and where is the boy??? It's hard enough for
me to
get it, much less a four and five year old. >>



Thanks, I hadn't heard that. Makes sense though. Good thing I didn't have
any problems.

My kids were all late. 9,10, 11 and 12 days late from the Dr.'s due date.
After the 2nd baby, I told the Dr's not to expect anything happening until
at least a week after their date!!! My last was the longest overdue at 12
days. So much for them getting easier as they go.




Mary B.
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In a message dated 1/14/04 3:04:10 PM, mummy124@... writes:

<< I'm just rather curious as to what the previous c section has to do with

being induced? >>

Kirby was induced and after 24 hours I was dilated to 9, they had me push
push push not because it was time to push, but because 24 hours had passed and
hospital policy was you couldn't be in labor over 24 hours after your water had
broken.

They had broken my water for me, effectively putting the 24 hour timer on a
C-section.

That's a long time ago, and some things have changed. Not enough things. :-/

Sandra

liza sabater

On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 05:57 PM, ejcrewe@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/14/2004 4:04:10 PM Central Standard Time,
> mummy124@... writes:
>
>
>> I'm just rather curious as to what the previous c section has to do
>> with
>> being induced? I was induced for all my kids and had 2 VBAC's after
>> my first
>> which was a c section.

I was induced because, even though I had no idea when I conceived, the
hit or miss date set by the sonographist is, by law, the due date in NY
state. They do not only want to control how we raise our children but
also how we birth them. By law, the midwives had to induce because we
had missed "the date" by two weeks. Believe me, I was not happy with
that.

l i z a
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liza sabater

On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 02:15 PM, SandraDodd@... wrote:

> Hospitals call it "false" if you're not worth admitting and you're not
> going
> to have a baby within 24 hours,

In NY state, if you've had a c-section first, by law, you have to have
the kid in a hospital --not even a birthing center. I was not happy
with that choice.

> but midwives tend to say that any contractions
> are good for you and the baby and that all of a sudden, hard labor
> isn't as
> good as gentler, longer labor.

because they had no recourse (they were under hospital and state rules)
they tried everything but nothing took. i do have to say that they did
not abuse the pitocin --once i went into labor they banished it from
the room.
>
> (Just to consider for the next time. <g>)

AAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!

I'll pass :)

I had to be sewed up after having Aidan and was knocked out for a few
hours. Mark was there waiting for me to pop the question: Now that
you've had both experiences, c-section and vaginal, which one would you
choose. My answer?

Adoption.

l i z a
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eaglefalconlark

Hi there, I just want to second the orgasm suggestion -- yes, the
sperm is helpful in softening your cervix, but that isn't going to
start contractions. STRONG orgasm can, you might try by yourself.
Squatting if you can manage it.

Someone mentioned castor oil -- I would not not not attempt
induction that way. Can start labor, but also can cause
complications of labor and distress to baby. The cohoshes as well.

Linda

Kelly Lenhart

>By law, the midwives had to induce because we
>had missed "the date" by two weeks. Believe me, I was not happy with
>that.
>l i z a

And you didn't just say no? No one can force you to undergo a procedure,
not without a court order.

Kelly

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In a message dated 1/16/04 7:12:19 AM, mina@... writes:

<< >By law, the midwives had to induce because we

>had missed "the date" by two weeks. Believe me, I was not happy with

>that.

>l i z a


And you didn't just say no? No one can force you to undergo a procedure,

not without a court order. >>

But they could disqualify her from using midwives and she'd go into the
hospital's cattle chute system.

The medical system strongarms people all kinds of ways.

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/16/2004 1:28:24 AM Central Standard Time,
eaglefalconlark@... writes:


> Squatting if you can manage it.
>

OK, the visual in my head just made me spit out my coffee!!!!!!

Elizabeth


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