Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] food - and other stuff
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In a message dated 5/31/00 3:21:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:
<< (lead in
some cans, chemicals to "preserve" packaging, MSG "hiding" under other
names, etc.). >>
Lynda and others,
I would love to hear more about this. You are so full of great
information....sorry, I have tons of question. As I said before, this stuff
is really all new to me, so I am hang on to every word.
Lynda-your son is 16-was he unschooled, also? I would love to hear more
about his education and what he is involved with. After all, we are an
unschooling list....hee hee hee hee.
Brooke, You are right! You know your child best. Go with what you are
thinking.
Happy Mothering,
Julie
Mommy to Ali and Matthew, Wife to a Great Man, Adam
Please check out a few of my favorite sites:
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http://www.AttachmentParenting.org
http://www.LaLecheLeague.org
http://www.naturalchild.org
"It helps me to remember that people are more important than ideas and that
being kind is more important than being right."
-Peggy O'Mara, Publisher of Mothering Magazine.
lurine@... writes:
<< (lead in
some cans, chemicals to "preserve" packaging, MSG "hiding" under other
names, etc.). >>
Lynda and others,
I would love to hear more about this. You are so full of great
information....sorry, I have tons of question. As I said before, this stuff
is really all new to me, so I am hang on to every word.
Lynda-your son is 16-was he unschooled, also? I would love to hear more
about his education and what he is involved with. After all, we are an
unschooling list....hee hee hee hee.
Brooke, You are right! You know your child best. Go with what you are
thinking.
Happy Mothering,
Julie
Mommy to Ali and Matthew, Wife to a Great Man, Adam
Please check out a few of my favorite sites:
http://www.mothering.com
http://www.AttachmentParenting.org
http://www.LaLecheLeague.org
http://www.naturalchild.org
"It helps me to remember that people are more important than ideas and that
being kind is more important than being right."
-Peggy O'Mara, Publisher of Mothering Magazine.
Lynda
I think Derek is the ultimate in unschooled but might not appear so to some
folks. He has been in and out of ps as the mood takes him (spell that
competitive sports <g>). He goes long enough (and on his own terms, poor
teachers <<<BEWG>>>) to participate in the sport he is interested in at the
time and then he is back home again. He is really math and biology minded,
wants to be a veterinarian, hates reading (doesn't do the pleasure thing at
all, just reads to get the info he needs) and has the socialization thing
down to a fine science (girl friends from several high schools and some
from as far away as San Diego), has been to several proms (isn't that one
of the NEA's biggest worries) and he and the other kidlets designed a
t-shirt that reads "The more the NEA talks, the more I know why I love
homeschooling."
He takes what he needs or is interested in and does what he feels is in his
best interest when he goes to ps. If he finds something to be redundant,
he doesn't do it. He is polite to the teachers about it but, hey, truth is
truth and he figures they are supposedly adults and should be able to
handle it (boy has that gotten us some interesting conferences <g>). I
guess what bugs them is that even though he won't do their whole million
hours of homework thing and has been vocal in his disdain of multiple
"guess" questions, he maintains A's and B's. They also get hysterical
because he bounces in and out of the schools and they scream that he is
ruining his chance of getting a good eduction, that he will never learn
good study skills, that a child needs continuity, blah, blah, blah. He
then points to the grades and says that he thinks they speak for
themselves. I should mention that he has given the speech about how grades
only prove that someone can take a test and that he thinks time could be
better spent learning because you love knowledge. Geez, that one really
got us a ration %-}
Lynda
----------
folks. He has been in and out of ps as the mood takes him (spell that
competitive sports <g>). He goes long enough (and on his own terms, poor
teachers <<<BEWG>>>) to participate in the sport he is interested in at the
time and then he is back home again. He is really math and biology minded,
wants to be a veterinarian, hates reading (doesn't do the pleasure thing at
all, just reads to get the info he needs) and has the socialization thing
down to a fine science (girl friends from several high schools and some
from as far away as San Diego), has been to several proms (isn't that one
of the NEA's biggest worries) and he and the other kidlets designed a
t-shirt that reads "The more the NEA talks, the more I know why I love
homeschooling."
He takes what he needs or is interested in and does what he feels is in his
best interest when he goes to ps. If he finds something to be redundant,
he doesn't do it. He is polite to the teachers about it but, hey, truth is
truth and he figures they are supposedly adults and should be able to
handle it (boy has that gotten us some interesting conferences <g>). I
guess what bugs them is that even though he won't do their whole million
hours of homework thing and has been vocal in his disdain of multiple
"guess" questions, he maintains A's and B's. They also get hysterical
because he bounces in and out of the schools and they scream that he is
ruining his chance of getting a good eduction, that he will never learn
good study skills, that a child needs continuity, blah, blah, blah. He
then points to the grades and says that he thinks they speak for
themselves. I should mention that he has given the speech about how grades
only prove that someone can take a test and that he thinks time could be
better spent learning because you love knowledge. Geez, that one really
got us a ration %-}
Lynda
----------
> Lynda and others,stuff
> I would love to hear more about this. You are so full of great
> information....sorry, I have tons of question. As I said before, this
> is really all new to me, so I am hang on to every word.
>
> Lynda-your son is 16-was he unschooled, also? I would love to hear more
> about his education and what he is involved with. After all, we are an
> unschooling list....hee hee hee hee.
>
> Brooke, You are right! You know your child best. Go with what you are
> thinking.
> Happy Mothering,
> Julie
> Mommy to Ali and Matthew, Wife to a Great Man, Adam
> Please check out a few of my favorite sites:
[email protected]
Lynda,
I was on the floor laugh at the things your were saying about your son! : )
: )
What a smart kid! I bet the teachers are beside themselves with what to do
with him. I bet they feel he is very truefull, respectful, but most of all
odd.
Hee Hee Hee, still laughing.
Happy Mothering,
Julie
Mommy to Ali and Matthew, Wife to a Great Man, Adam
Please check out a few of my favorite sites:
http://www.mothering.com
http://www.AttachmentParenting.org
http://www.LaLecheLeague.org
http://www.naturalchild.org
"It helps me to remember that people are more important than ideas and that
being kind is more important than being right."
-Peggy O'Mara, Publisher of Mothering Magazine.
I was on the floor laugh at the things your were saying about your son! : )
: )
What a smart kid! I bet the teachers are beside themselves with what to do
with him. I bet they feel he is very truefull, respectful, but most of all
odd.
Hee Hee Hee, still laughing.
Happy Mothering,
Julie
Mommy to Ali and Matthew, Wife to a Great Man, Adam
Please check out a few of my favorite sites:
http://www.mothering.com
http://www.AttachmentParenting.org
http://www.LaLecheLeague.org
http://www.naturalchild.org
"It helps me to remember that people are more important than ideas and that
being kind is more important than being right."
-Peggy O'Mara, Publisher of Mothering Magazine.
Tia Leschke
At 05:29 PM 5/31/00 -0700, you wrote:
unschooling. My 12 year old unschooled boy has decided to try school next
year. At first I had thought I would make him do school the school's way,
if he was going at all. Now, I'm having second thoughts, and am thinking
that I'll just let him unschool at school, much as your son has been doing.
It's great to hear that someone *is* doing it. Lars has never yet been
interested in academics (just learned to read this year) so it's less
likely that he'll have the A's and B's to point to, but you never know.
One thing is certain. He's certainly disproved the myth about homeschooled
kids not being well socialized. He went with his friend to the school
dance a couple of weeks ago, and then spent 3 days at school last week.
His friend couldn't believe how popular he was. He just fit right in.
Tia
"Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study without
a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
------Leonardo Da Vinci
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
______________________________________________
Canadian Homeschool Resource Page
http://www.flora.org/homeschool-ca
>I think Derek is the ultimate in unschooled but might not appear so to someI want to thank Lynda for this. I'm new to the list but not to
>folks. He has been in and out of ps as the mood takes him (spell that
>competitive sports <g>). He goes long enough (and on his own terms, poor
>teachers <<<BEWG>>>) to participate in the sport he is interested in at the
>time and then he is back home again. He is really math and biology minded,
>wants to be a veterinarian, hates reading (doesn't do the pleasure thing at
>all, just reads to get the info he needs) and has the socialization thing
>down to a fine science (girl friends from several high schools and some
>from as far away as San Diego), has been to several proms (isn't that one
>of the NEA's biggest worries) and he and the other kidlets designed a
>t-shirt that reads "The more the NEA talks, the more I know why I love
>homeschooling."
unschooling. My 12 year old unschooled boy has decided to try school next
year. At first I had thought I would make him do school the school's way,
if he was going at all. Now, I'm having second thoughts, and am thinking
that I'll just let him unschool at school, much as your son has been doing.
It's great to hear that someone *is* doing it. Lars has never yet been
interested in academics (just learned to read this year) so it's less
likely that he'll have the A's and B's to point to, but you never know.
One thing is certain. He's certainly disproved the myth about homeschooled
kids not being well socialized. He went with his friend to the school
dance a couple of weeks ago, and then spent 3 days at school last week.
His friend couldn't believe how popular he was. He just fit right in.
Tia
"Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study without
a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
------Leonardo Da Vinci
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
______________________________________________
Canadian Homeschool Resource Page
http://www.flora.org/homeschool-ca
Lynda
We have always explained to Derek what people would expect of him and made
it very clear what his options were. He is then given the option of doing
it his way or doing it "their" way. We then explained to him what
unschooling at school would "cost" him. He went into it with full
knowledge and I think that made all the difference. He knew that ps was
all about producing mounds of paper and testing, testing, testing. He knew
that individuals are frowned on and that he would probably be conferenced
(this ends at the high school level somewhat). He also knew that I could
care less about the grades or conferences and that I would support what he
was doing. He also understood that if he wanted to get into a college that
the grades would start counting in the ps world when he entered 9th grade.
I think if your son knows what will happen and that if he chooses not to
play their game that you will support him, then he'll do fine.
Lynda
----------
it very clear what his options were. He is then given the option of doing
it his way or doing it "their" way. We then explained to him what
unschooling at school would "cost" him. He went into it with full
knowledge and I think that made all the difference. He knew that ps was
all about producing mounds of paper and testing, testing, testing. He knew
that individuals are frowned on and that he would probably be conferenced
(this ends at the high school level somewhat). He also knew that I could
care less about the grades or conferences and that I would support what he
was doing. He also understood that if he wanted to get into a college that
the grades would start counting in the ps world when he entered 9th grade.
I think if your son knows what will happen and that if he chooses not to
play their game that you will support him, then he'll do fine.
Lynda
----------
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>some
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] food - and other stuff
> Date: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:44 PM
>
> At 05:29 PM 5/31/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >I think Derek is the ultimate in unschooled but might not appear so to
> >folks. He has been in and out of ps as the mood takes him (spell thatpoor
> >competitive sports <g>). He goes long enough (and on his own terms,
> >teachers <<<BEWG>>>) to participate in the sport he is interested in atthe
> >time and then he is back home again. He is really math and biologyminded,
> >wants to be a veterinarian, hates reading (doesn't do the pleasure thingat
> >all, just reads to get the info he needs) and has the socializationthing
> >down to a fine science (girl friends from several high schools and someone
> >from as far away as San Diego), has been to several proms (isn't that
> >of the NEA's biggest worries) and he and the other kidlets designed anext
> >t-shirt that reads "The more the NEA talks, the more I know why I love
> >homeschooling."
>
> I want to thank Lynda for this. I'm new to the list but not to
> unschooling. My 12 year old unschooled boy has decided to try school
> year. At first I had thought I would make him do school the school'sway,
> if he was going at all. Now, I'm having second thoughts, and am thinkingdoing.
> that I'll just let him unschool at school, much as your son has been
> It's great to hear that someone *is* doing it. Lars has never yet beenhomeschooled
> interested in academics (just learned to read this year) so it's less
> likely that he'll have the A's and B's to point to, but you never know.
>
> One thing is certain. He's certainly disproved the myth about
> kids not being well socialized. He went with his friend to the schoolwithout
> dance a couple of weeks ago, and then spent 3 days at school last week.
> His friend couldn't believe how popular he was. He just fit right in.
> Tia
>
> "Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study
> a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
> ------Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> Tia Leschke leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
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Lynda,
This is such an interesting concept. I love it! I would have never thought
of doing it that way...Derek is very lucky to have you for a mom.....
Keep the ideas coming! : ) : )
Happy Mothering,
Julie
Mommy to Ali and Matthew, Wife to a Great Man, Adam
Please check out a few of my favorite sites:
http://www.mothering.com
http://www.AttachmentParenting.org
http://www.LaLecheLeague.org
http://www.naturalchild.org
"It helps me to remember that people are more important than ideas and that
being kind is more important than being right."
-Peggy O'Mara, Publisher of Mothering Magazine.
This is such an interesting concept. I love it! I would have never thought
of doing it that way...Derek is very lucky to have you for a mom.....
Keep the ideas coming! : ) : )
Happy Mothering,
Julie
Mommy to Ali and Matthew, Wife to a Great Man, Adam
Please check out a few of my favorite sites:
http://www.mothering.com
http://www.AttachmentParenting.org
http://www.LaLecheLeague.org
http://www.naturalchild.org
"It helps me to remember that people are more important than ideas and that
being kind is more important than being right."
-Peggy O'Mara, Publisher of Mothering Magazine.
Tia Leschke
At 11:24 PM 6/2/00 -0700, you wrote:
for a conference about the student, or is it something else?
Tia
"Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study without
a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
------Leonardo Da Vinci
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
______________________________________________
Canadian Homeschool Resource Page
http://www.flora.org/homeschool-ca
>We have always explained to Derek what people would expect of him and madeWhat is conferencing? Is this just when the teacher calls the parents in
>it very clear what his options were. He is then given the option of doing
>it his way or doing it "their" way. We then explained to him what
>unschooling at school would "cost" him. He went into it with full
>knowledge and I think that made all the difference. He knew that ps was
>all about producing mounds of paper and testing, testing, testing. He knew
>that individuals are frowned on and that he would probably be conferenced
>(this ends at the high school level somewhat).
for a conference about the student, or is it something else?
Tia
"Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study without
a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
------Leonardo Da Vinci
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
______________________________________________
Canadian Homeschool Resource Page
http://www.flora.org/homeschool-ca
Lynda
Some schools begin with a teacher/student conference, then a parent/teacher
conference, then on to a parent/teacher/student conference, next a
principal/parent/teacher/student conference and ultimately they go to CAP
committees where the school can bounce a kid for not conforming. The CAP's
are usually reserved for "incorragible" and "multi-offenders." Derek has
never been CAP'd but he has been to all of the others and has really
annoyed them by having read all the rules and regs for the district and
then got himself a copy of the state regs. And he always brings along his
report cards which have comments like "he is so polite in class," "he's a
leader," "his grades are excellent" and so forth and so on. They, of
course, always then comment on him "applying himself more to work
assignments," which when you get down to it would appear to be answered by
the A's and B's.
You would think that after 11 years they would give up. Do you ever wonder
if most ps employees were bulls or mules in another life <g>
Lynda
----------
conference, then on to a parent/teacher/student conference, next a
principal/parent/teacher/student conference and ultimately they go to CAP
committees where the school can bounce a kid for not conforming. The CAP's
are usually reserved for "incorragible" and "multi-offenders." Derek has
never been CAP'd but he has been to all of the others and has really
annoyed them by having read all the rules and regs for the district and
then got himself a copy of the state regs. And he always brings along his
report cards which have comments like "he is so polite in class," "he's a
leader," "his grades are excellent" and so forth and so on. They, of
course, always then comment on him "applying himself more to work
assignments," which when you get down to it would appear to be answered by
the A's and B's.
You would think that after 11 years they would give up. Do you ever wonder
if most ps employees were bulls or mules in another life <g>
Lynda
----------
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>made
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] food - and other stuff
> Date: Saturday, June 03, 2000 9:29 PM
>
> At 11:24 PM 6/2/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >We have always explained to Derek what people would expect of him and
> >it very clear what his options were. He is then given the option ofdoing
> >it his way or doing it "their" way. We then explained to him whatknew
> >unschooling at school would "cost" him. He went into it with full
> >knowledge and I think that made all the difference. He knew that ps was
> >all about producing mounds of paper and testing, testing, testing. He
> >that individuals are frowned on and that he would probably beconferenced
> >(this ends at the high school level somewhat).without
>
> What is conferencing? Is this just when the teacher calls the parents in
> for a conference about the student, or is it something else?
> Tia
>
> "Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study
> a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
> ------Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> Tia Leschke leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
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In a message dated 6/4/00 3:00:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:
<< Some schools begin with a teacher/student conference, then a parent/teacher
conference, then on to a parent/teacher/student conference, next a
principal/parent/teacher/student conference and ultimately they go to CAP
committees where the school can bounce a kid for not conforming. The CAP's
are usually reserved for "incorragible" and "multi-offenders." Derek has
never been CAP'd but he has been to all of the others and has really
annoyed them by having read all the rules and regs for the district and
then got himself a copy of the state regs. >>
WHAT IS THIS SCHOOL RO PRISION? maybe it is one in the same institute. I
wonder how many of those "offender" are bored with learning and just buying
time.....
Happy Mothering,
Julie
Mommy to Ali and Matthew, Wife to a Great Man, Adam
Please check out a few of my favorite sites:
http://www.mothering.com
http://www.AttachmentParenting.org
http://www.LaLecheLeague.org
http://www.naturalchild.org
"It helps me to remember that people are more important than ideas and that
being kind is more important than being right."
-Peggy O'Mara, Publisher of Mothering Magazine.
lurine@... writes:
<< Some schools begin with a teacher/student conference, then a parent/teacher
conference, then on to a parent/teacher/student conference, next a
principal/parent/teacher/student conference and ultimately they go to CAP
committees where the school can bounce a kid for not conforming. The CAP's
are usually reserved for "incorragible" and "multi-offenders." Derek has
never been CAP'd but he has been to all of the others and has really
annoyed them by having read all the rules and regs for the district and
then got himself a copy of the state regs. >>
WHAT IS THIS SCHOOL RO PRISION? maybe it is one in the same institute. I
wonder how many of those "offender" are bored with learning and just buying
time.....
Happy Mothering,
Julie
Mommy to Ali and Matthew, Wife to a Great Man, Adam
Please check out a few of my favorite sites:
http://www.mothering.com
http://www.AttachmentParenting.org
http://www.LaLecheLeague.org
http://www.naturalchild.org
"It helps me to remember that people are more important than ideas and that
being kind is more important than being right."
-Peggy O'Mara, Publisher of Mothering Magazine.
Tia Leschke
>Not that I ever put any faith in test scores, but I read that education
>You would think that after 11 years they would give up. Do you ever wonder
>if most ps employees were bulls or mules in another life <g>
majors tend to have the lowest SAT scores.
Tia
"Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study without
a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
------Leonardo Da Vinci
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
______________________________________________
Canadian Homeschool Resource Page
http://www.flora.org/homeschool-ca
Dewar Charles
Yup.
See http://www.teachingandlearning.org/rschnews/research/edtstnew.html
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From: Tia Leschke [mailto:leschke@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 9:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] food - and other stuff
majors tend to have the lowest SAT scores.
Tia
"Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study without
a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
------Leonardo Da Vinci
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
______________________________________________
Canadian Homeschool Resource Page
http://www.flora.org/homeschool-ca
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>Not that I ever put any faith in test scores, but I read that education
>You would think that after 11 years they would give up. Do you ever wonder
>if most ps employees were bulls or mules in another life <g>
majors tend to have the lowest SAT scores.
Tia
"Just as eating against one's will is injurious to health, so study without
a liking for it spoils the memory, and it retains nothing it takes in."
------Leonardo Da Vinci
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