Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Night wetting was Re: Unschooling and potty training
Barbara Moreda
I don't see it that way ... I think if the child wants it for their own
reasons, then it is fine.
I would have liked one when I was wetting the bed ... I would sleep through
it and then wake up cold and wet. Not fun.
Barbara
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reasons, then it is fine.
I would have liked one when I was wetting the bed ... I would sleep through
it and then wake up cold and wet. Not fun.
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Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Night wetting was Re: Unschooling and potty
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> My opinion of those alarms are how rude....
> Kathleen
> --- In [email protected], The Bucknum's
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> > <<<I was 7 when I stopped wetting the bed. My brother was 13, as
> was my
> > ex-husband (father of my oldest two) and my husband. None of my
> children have wet
> > the bed past their diaper days. My oldest was dry at night from
> the time he was
> > about a year old.
> >
> > It's probably some kind of individual difference, like learning to
> read. I
> > don't know if that makes it "genetic". I do know it's not much to
> get worked
> > up about.
> >
> > Tuck>>>
> >
> > What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for older kids? Not
> the loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate. I've
> discussed this with a few friends one who swears by it and one who
> thinks they are insulting to the child. I haven't formulated an
> opinion on them yet and was wondering what you lot of 'Out-of The-
> Box'ers think about this.
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Barbara Moreda
Sandra ...
the last time I really remember wetting the bed ... I was in 7th grade. My
cousin was spending the night and then we had to crawl into my sister's twin
bed for the night. I would have LOVED to not wet the bed. If Jackie had
not been spending the night, I would have woken up cold, sometime in the
middle of the night, so I still would have slept through. I don't ever
remember my mom making a big deal about it. My dad, once, got really mad at
me. He was yelling at me, asking how i could sleep through it ... I think
he was embarrassed as the bed I peed was his sister's while were just 4
houses over visiting them. I honestly had not known that I had wet the bed
and found out when they came to get me to take me home.
In 7th grade, I was already 5'9". I don't think they had big diapers back
then and I would NOT have wanted to wear them. I don't really think I wet
all that often, though I really do not remember, except for Girl Scout camp,
but that is a totally different story and that was 4th grade! LOL
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the last time I really remember wetting the bed ... I was in 7th grade. My
cousin was spending the night and then we had to crawl into my sister's twin
bed for the night. I would have LOVED to not wet the bed. If Jackie had
not been spending the night, I would have woken up cold, sometime in the
middle of the night, so I still would have slept through. I don't ever
remember my mom making a big deal about it. My dad, once, got really mad at
me. He was yelling at me, asking how i could sleep through it ... I think
he was embarrassed as the bed I peed was his sister's while were just 4
houses over visiting them. I honestly had not known that I had wet the bed
and found out when they came to get me to take me home.
In 7th grade, I was already 5'9". I don't think they had big diapers back
then and I would NOT have wanted to wear them. I don't really think I wet
all that often, though I really do not remember, except for Girl Scout camp,
but that is a totally different story and that was 4th grade! LOL
Barbara
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Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Night wetting was Re: Unschooling and
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>
> In a message dated 1/2/04 12:35:19 PM, ctbucknum@... writes:
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> << What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for older kids? Not the
> loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate. >>
>
> What's the kid supposed to do? Wake up mid-stream and try to make it to
the
> bathroom? If not, what?
>
> I think sleeping is really important and if they can sleep wet they
should.
> And if a parent could afford some kind of electric alarm system, they
could
> have afforded diapers.
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Barbara Moreda
>Sorry Sandra, all my posts have the stuff below and I don't always think to
> In a message dated 1/2/04 6:53:43 PM, homeiscool@... writes:
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> << I don't see it that way ... I think if the child wants it for their own
>
> reasons, then it is fine. >>
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> Please try to quote a little of what you're responding to.
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> Thanks.
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> Sandra
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Sandra ...
I wasn't thinking about the electrical field ... and I do agree with that!
I remember when we had a water bed, we never turned on the heater! Just had
a couple of thick blankets underneath our sheets. Besides, even with the
heater on low, I would sweat and feel like I was sticking to the mattress
with only a thin pad under the sheets. Gross!
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I wasn't thinking about the electrical field ... and I do agree with that!
I remember when we had a water bed, we never turned on the heater! Just had
a couple of thick blankets underneath our sheets. Besides, even with the
heater on low, I would sweat and feel like I was sticking to the mattress
with only a thin pad under the sheets. Gross!
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Night wetting was Re: Unschooling and
potty training
>
> In a message dated 1/2/04 8:17:37 PM, ctbucknum@... writes:
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> << Why should they have to were diapers for how ever long they wet the bed
> 10-14 years, if a little jiggly thing is going to re-establish their
ability to
> wake at night? >>
>
> Marty never had an "ability to wake at night," so it couldn't have been
> re-established.
>
> There are good arguments against sleeping in electrical fields (like under
> electric blankets, too close to all-night appliances like clock radios)
and it
> doesn't seem healthier or safer to me, but if someone's priorities are
> different, then that "alarm" might be the lesser of some uncounted number
of evils.
>
> I just wanted my kids to be able to sleep as long as they wanted to, after
> they had gone to bed sleepy.
>
> And now that Marty never has any troubles (hasn't for years), it seems in
> retrospect that the least intrusive/invasive/pressuring solution worked
out fine.
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<<<I was 7 when I stopped wetting the bed. My brother was 13, as was my
ex-husband (father of my oldest two) and my husband. None of my children have wet
the bed past their diaper days. My oldest was dry at night from the time he was
about a year old.
It's probably some kind of individual difference, like learning to read. I
don't know if that makes it "genetic". I do know it's not much to get worked
up about.
Tuck>>>
What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for older kids? Not the loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate. I've discussed this with a few friends one who swears by it and one who thinks they are insulting to the child. I haven't formulated an opinion on them yet and was wondering what you lot of 'Out-of The-Box'ers think about this.
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ex-husband (father of my oldest two) and my husband. None of my children have wet
the bed past their diaper days. My oldest was dry at night from the time he was
about a year old.
It's probably some kind of individual difference, like learning to read. I
don't know if that makes it "genetic". I do know it's not much to get worked
up about.
Tuck>>>
What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for older kids? Not the loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate. I've discussed this with a few friends one who swears by it and one who thinks they are insulting to the child. I haven't formulated an opinion on them yet and was wondering what you lot of 'Out-of The-Box'ers think about this.
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My opinion of those alarms are how rude....
Kathleen
--- In [email protected], The Bucknum's
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discussed this with a few friends one who swears by it and one who
thinks they are insulting to the child. I haven't formulated an
opinion on them yet and was wondering what you lot of 'Out-of The-
Box'ers think about this.
Kathleen
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>was my
> <<<I was 7 when I stopped wetting the bed. My brother was 13, as
> ex-husband (father of my oldest two) and my husband. None of mychildren have wet
> the bed past their diaper days. My oldest was dry at night fromthe time he was
> about a year old.read. I
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> It's probably some kind of individual difference, like learning to
> don't know if that makes it "genetic". I do know it's not much toget worked
> up about.the loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate. I've
>
> Tuck>>>
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> What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for older kids? Not
discussed this with a few friends one who swears by it and one who
thinks they are insulting to the child. I haven't formulated an
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Box'ers think about this.
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On Jan 2, 2004, at 11:34 AM, The Bucknum's wrote:
not sure) she started becoming very frustrated with her bedwetting (it
was EVERY night and sometimes more than once in the night) - and we
talked about the alarm (it was clear she was an extremely deep sleeper
- still is). She decided she wanted to try the alarm underpants and so
I got them for her. We played with it a bit during the day -
experimented with how much moisture it took to set it off, etc. She
wore them that night. The alarm never went off because she didn't WET
herself. Ever again. She wore the special underpants for about 3 nights
and then that was it. No more bedwetting.
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> What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for older kids? Not theWhen my oldest was about 9 years old (she might have even been 10, I'm
> loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate.
not sure) she started becoming very frustrated with her bedwetting (it
was EVERY night and sometimes more than once in the night) - and we
talked about the alarm (it was clear she was an extremely deep sleeper
- still is). She decided she wanted to try the alarm underpants and so
I got them for her. We played with it a bit during the day -
experimented with how much moisture it took to set it off, etc. She
wore them that night. The alarm never went off because she didn't WET
herself. Ever again. She wore the special underpants for about 3 nights
and then that was it. No more bedwetting.
-pam
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>>She decided she wanted to try the alarm underpants and so I gotthem for her.>>
Hmmm...so these were vibrating underpants you say. Where would I get
some of these...for purely research purposes of course. <BEG>
>>The alarm never went off because she didn't WET herself. Everagain. She wore the special underpants for about 3 nights and then
that was it. No more bedwetting.>>
This is actually a very cool story, Pam. :o)
Life is good.
~Mary
The Bucknum's
Wow I'm glad they worked for her. Thank You
Teresa i8n Canada
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From: pam sorooshian
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Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Night wetting was Re: Unschooling and potty training
On Jan 2, 2004, at 11:34 AM, The Bucknum's wrote:
> What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for older kids? Not the
> loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate.
When my oldest was about 9 years old (she might have even been 10, I'm
not sure) she started becoming very frustrated with her bedwetting (it
was EVERY night and sometimes more than once in the night) - and we
talked about the alarm (it was clear she was an extremely deep sleeper
- still is). She decided she wanted to try the alarm underpants and so
I got them for her. We played with it a bit during the day -
experimented with how much moisture it took to set it off, etc. She
wore them that night. The alarm never went off because she didn't WET
herself. Ever again. She wore the special underpants for about 3 nights
and then that was it. No more bedwetting.
-pam
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On Jan 2, 2004, at 12:49 PM, zenmomma2kids wrote:
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> Hmmm...so these were vibrating underpants you say. Where would I getI got them from Sears, if I remember correctly.
> some of these...for purely research purposes of course. <BEG>
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I had heard this was a good one http://www.pottypager.com/ hate the name though. You just put it in the front pocket of guys underwear or girls who wont wear guys can were two pairs of girls undies. You don't have to wait for it to go through the laundry it in-between so it's good for more then one wetting a night. I like the idea with this kind as they don't alert the whole house and it is somewhat discreet.
When I was young my mom bought a big mat version that went under your sheet and then literally "SCARED THE LIVING PISS OUT OF YOU IT WAS SO LOUD" woke me up did the trick of making my brain wake me up when my bladder was full. The problem was it scared me so badly I would literally be unable to sleep for hours if it was on the bed and then when I did wake to use to bathroom I'd jump bolt upright in bed and run scared that the thing might go off. I still kept my sleeping through anything ability fire alarms, neibors knocking on my door because of fire, land lord using master key and coming into my room to wake me up, slept in landlords car while firemen threw smoking mattress out of top floor apartment desmoked the building and then with sirens blaring when to another fire. Then I had kids and wake much more easily. Anyway the humiliation of wetting the bed was far more severe then that *@%*@ alarm.
Teresa in Canada
When I was young my mom bought a big mat version that went under your sheet and then literally "SCARED THE LIVING PISS OUT OF YOU IT WAS SO LOUD" woke me up did the trick of making my brain wake me up when my bladder was full. The problem was it scared me so badly I would literally be unable to sleep for hours if it was on the bed and then when I did wake to use to bathroom I'd jump bolt upright in bed and run scared that the thing might go off. I still kept my sleeping through anything ability fire alarms, neibors knocking on my door because of fire, land lord using master key and coming into my room to wake me up, slept in landlords car while firemen threw smoking mattress out of top floor apartment desmoked the building and then with sirens blaring when to another fire. Then I had kids and wake much more easily. Anyway the humiliation of wetting the bed was far more severe then that *@%*@ alarm.
Teresa in Canada
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Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:49 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Night wetting was Re: Unschooling and potty training
>>She decided she wanted to try the alarm underpants and so I got
them for her.>>
Hmmm...so these were vibrating underpants you say. Where would I get
some of these...for purely research purposes of course. <BEG>
>>The alarm never went off because she didn't WET herself. Ever
again. She wore the special underpants for about 3 nights and then
that was it. No more bedwetting.>>
This is actually a very cool story, Pam. :o)
Life is good.
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From: "pam sorooshian" <pamsoroosh@...>
<<The alarm never went off because she didn't WET
herself. Ever again. She wore the special underpants for about 3 nights
and then that was it. No more bedwetting.>>
I have no experience at all with bedwetting so this is just out of
wondering. With that experience you just mentioned, what does that really
say about thinking that bedwetting is physical? Isn't that what most people
do believe, that the child hasn't matured enough in that way to wait?
Mary B.
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<<The alarm never went off because she didn't WET
herself. Ever again. She wore the special underpants for about 3 nights
and then that was it. No more bedwetting.>>
I have no experience at all with bedwetting so this is just out of
wondering. With that experience you just mentioned, what does that really
say about thinking that bedwetting is physical? Isn't that what most people
do believe, that the child hasn't matured enough in that way to wait?
Mary B.
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Mary
From: "zenmomma2kids" <zenmomma@...>
<<Hmmm...so these were vibrating underpants you say. Where would I get
some of these...for purely research purposes of course. <BEG>>
Go to any adult store and ask for a butterfly. I've done some research on my
own. <BEG>
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<<Hmmm...so these were vibrating underpants you say. Where would I get
some of these...for purely research purposes of course. <BEG>>
Go to any adult store and ask for a butterfly. I've done some research on my
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In a message dated 1/2/04 12:35:19 PM, ctbucknum@... writes:
<< What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for older kids? Not the
loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate. >>
What's the kid supposed to do? Wake up mid-stream and try to make it to the
bathroom? If not, what?
I think sleeping is really important and if they can sleep wet they should.
And if a parent could afford some kind of electric alarm system, they could
have afforded diapers.
Sandra
<< What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for older kids? Not the
loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate. >>
What's the kid supposed to do? Wake up mid-stream and try to make it to the
bathroom? If not, what?
I think sleeping is really important and if they can sleep wet they should.
And if a parent could afford some kind of electric alarm system, they could
have afforded diapers.
Sandra
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--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
although during the last year he has been doing it
less and less.
I once had a nosey relative call one of those places,
Pacific International I think, that advertise in
magazines and on tv about helping children stop
wetting the bed and gave them our name.
They called and said that for a fee they would come
out and interview my son and then install an alarm
system that would vibrate and beep loudly if he wet
during the night!
YIKES!
How humiliating to have a stranger come into your
home, talk to you about what you thought was a secret
and personal problem, and then install something to
scare you awake when you did it again.
I hung up on the person. And I told the relative to
stop giving out our phone number.
We bought Huggies Good Nights when he outgrew the
pull-ups. He is 5'9" now, and weighs 155 lbs. Now he
uses adult size disposables.
And now he has practically stopped, without being
hurt, shamed, scared, or humiliated.
=====
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>My middle son (12.5yo) still wets at night sometimes,
> In a message dated 1/2/04 12:35:19 PM,
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> << What are peoples opinions of those wet alarms for
> older kids? Not the
> loud screaming noisy ones but the ones that vibrate.
> >>
>
> What's the kid supposed to do? Wake up mid-stream
> and try to make it to the
> bathroom? If not, what?
although during the last year he has been doing it
less and less.
I once had a nosey relative call one of those places,
Pacific International I think, that advertise in
magazines and on tv about helping children stop
wetting the bed and gave them our name.
They called and said that for a fee they would come
out and interview my son and then install an alarm
system that would vibrate and beep loudly if he wet
during the night!
YIKES!
How humiliating to have a stranger come into your
home, talk to you about what you thought was a secret
and personal problem, and then install something to
scare you awake when you did it again.
I hung up on the person. And I told the relative to
stop giving out our phone number.
We bought Huggies Good Nights when he outgrew the
pull-ups. He is 5'9" now, and weighs 155 lbs. Now he
uses adult size disposables.
And now he has practically stopped, without being
hurt, shamed, scared, or humiliated.
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I think it says there is no one answer and that, for my daughter, it
was "time" which was why she was ready to do the alarm thing.
Just like when my sister was a bit old to not yet be walking, was just
cruising holding onto table edges, etc. My mom handed her a pie tin to
hold and she would walk, holding that out in front of her as if it
would hold her up if she fell. It was very funny and only lasted a week
or less but we have PICTURES <G>.
I think my daughter was just very very ready to stop the bedwetting and
the whole alarm thing just gave her some kind of boost to do it.
-pam
was "time" which was why she was ready to do the alarm thing.
Just like when my sister was a bit old to not yet be walking, was just
cruising holding onto table edges, etc. My mom handed her a pie tin to
hold and she would walk, holding that out in front of her as if it
would hold her up if she fell. It was very funny and only lasted a week
or less but we have PICTURES <G>.
I think my daughter was just very very ready to stop the bedwetting and
the whole alarm thing just gave her some kind of boost to do it.
-pam
On Jan 2, 2004, at 3:04 PM, Mary wrote:
> <<The alarm never went off because she didn't WET
> herself. Ever again. She wore the special underpants for about 3 nights
> and then that was it. No more bedwetting.>>
>
>
> I have no experience at all with bedwetting so this is just out of
> wondering. With that experience you just mentioned, what does that
> really
> say about thinking that bedwetting is physical? Isn't that what most
> people
> do believe, that the child hasn't matured enough in that way to wait?
>
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In a message dated 1/2/04 6:53:43 PM, homeiscool@... writes:
<< I don't see it that way ... I think if the child wants it for their own
reasons, then it is fine. >>
Please try to quote a little of what you're responding to.
Thanks.
Sandra
<< I don't see it that way ... I think if the child wants it for their own
reasons, then it is fine. >>
Please try to quote a little of what you're responding to.
Thanks.
Sandra
pam sorooshian
On Jan 2, 2004, at 5:44 PM, pam sorooshian wrote:
to do something she wants to do it NOW. Asking her to just be patient
and reassuring her that she'll stop eventually -- it simply wasn't
going to satisfy this kid at that time. No way. At that time she was
wanting to do overnighters with friends - frequently. At home we had
plastic under the sheets and we were used to washing bedding -
sometimes changing it in the middle of the night and then changing it
AGAIN a few hours later. But overnighters were a problem. It was common
for all the kids in our homeschool group to stay at each other's houses
a lot - we lived long distances from each other - 30 to 40 miles - and
so overnight "play dates" were the norm. This was her motivation. Just
to be clear, I am NOT recommending this - just describing our rather
unusual experience with it. Apparently, though, kids often do not pee a
big flood right off during the night, but tend to leak a little (still
holding it in) before they finally let it all go. That is why the
alarms work - they wake the kid up when a tiny bit of moisture hits
them, before the big flood starts.
-pam
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>I should add that she was and is extremely intense and when she wants
> I think my daughter was just very very ready to stop the bedwetting and
> the whole alarm thing just gave her some kind of boost to do it.
to do something she wants to do it NOW. Asking her to just be patient
and reassuring her that she'll stop eventually -- it simply wasn't
going to satisfy this kid at that time. No way. At that time she was
wanting to do overnighters with friends - frequently. At home we had
plastic under the sheets and we were used to washing bedding -
sometimes changing it in the middle of the night and then changing it
AGAIN a few hours later. But overnighters were a problem. It was common
for all the kids in our homeschool group to stay at each other's houses
a lot - we lived long distances from each other - 30 to 40 miles - and
so overnight "play dates" were the norm. This was her motivation. Just
to be clear, I am NOT recommending this - just describing our rather
unusual experience with it. Apparently, though, kids often do not pee a
big flood right off during the night, but tend to leak a little (still
holding it in) before they finally let it all go. That is why the
alarms work - they wake the kid up when a tiny bit of moisture hits
them, before the big flood starts.
-pam
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From: "pam sorooshian" <pamsoroosh@...>
<< Just to be clear, I am NOT recommending this - just describing our rather
unusual experience with it. >>
But you did say that she is the one that asked for the alarm thing too. I
think that makes a big difference from a parent saying here, we need to try
this to get you to stop. She wanted it and obvioulsy was ready because it
never even really had to work.
Reminds me of Sierra and her sucking her thumb at night. She was the one
that asked for the liquid stuff you use when I talked to her about solutions
if any. I think she used it a couple of nights just in case and stopped
pretty much, as far as I know, right then.
Mary B.
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<< Just to be clear, I am NOT recommending this - just describing our rather
unusual experience with it. >>
But you did say that she is the one that asked for the alarm thing too. I
think that makes a big difference from a parent saying here, we need to try
this to get you to stop. She wanted it and obvioulsy was ready because it
never even really had to work.
Reminds me of Sierra and her sucking her thumb at night. She was the one
that asked for the liquid stuff you use when I talked to her about solutions
if any. I think she used it a couple of nights just in case and stopped
pretty much, as far as I know, right then.
Mary B.
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The Bucknum's
<<<I have no experience at all with bedwetting so this is just out of
wondering. With that experience you just mentioned, what does that really
say about thinking that bedwetting is physical? Isn't that what most people
do believe, that the child hasn't matured enough in that way to wait?
Mary B.
http://www.homeschoolingtshirts.com>>>>>>
I think that there is a definite physical correlation but as time passes if your accustomed to wetting the bed I think your mental queuing is affected. Most children develop a mental queuing as they potty train and if they are physically not ready for night queuing to develop they pass over that and the little alarm that goes off in many children's heads while they sleep"Oh I have to pee gotta get up." is sighlenced. It can take a strong focus or something traumatic to induce the alarm to work. Also with very heavy sleepers or children with say a milk allergy it can continue well after they are physically able to do the trick.
Hope that make sense the kids are rowdy tonight :-P
Teresa
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wondering. With that experience you just mentioned, what does that really
say about thinking that bedwetting is physical? Isn't that what most people
do believe, that the child hasn't matured enough in that way to wait?
Mary B.
http://www.homeschoolingtshirts.com>>>>>>
I think that there is a definite physical correlation but as time passes if your accustomed to wetting the bed I think your mental queuing is affected. Most children develop a mental queuing as they potty train and if they are physically not ready for night queuing to develop they pass over that and the little alarm that goes off in many children's heads while they sleep"Oh I have to pee gotta get up." is sighlenced. It can take a strong focus or something traumatic to induce the alarm to work. Also with very heavy sleepers or children with say a milk allergy it can continue well after they are physically able to do the trick.
Hope that make sense the kids are rowdy tonight :-P
Teresa
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<<Hmmm...so these were vibrating underpants you say. Where would I get
some of these...for purely research purposes of course. <BEG>>
Go to any adult store and ask for a butterfly. I've done some research on my
own. <BEG>
Mary B.
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OH! Now I get it. Thats horrible. My mind is usually very quick at pick up 'those' sorts of refferences. I must be getting slow in my old age.
Teresa in Canada
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<<Hmmm...so these were vibrating underpants you say. Where would I get
some of these...for purely research purposes of course. <BEG>>
Go to any adult store and ask for a butterfly. I've done some research on my
own. <BEG>
Mary B.
http://www.homeschoolingtshirts.com}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}>>>>
OH! Now I get it. Thats horrible. My mind is usually very quick at pick up 'those' sorts of refferences. I must be getting slow in my old age.
Teresa in Canada
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Tia Leschke
>I think it's some of both. If the child is a deep sleeper, knowing that
>
>I have no experience at all with bedwetting so this is just out of
>wondering. With that experience you just mentioned, what does that really
>say about thinking that bedwetting is physical? Isn't that what most people
>do believe, that the child hasn't matured enough in that way to wait?
there's some kind of alarm going to go off can possibly make them sleep
more lightly. They might still not be producing enough of the hormone that
slows urine production at night, but if they're sleeping a little more
lightly they just might wake up when the bladder gets full. I wish I'd had
one when I was a child. They didn't have them then, and when my boys could
have used them, we couldn't afford them. Plus I was skeptical because I
didn't know anyone who had used them successfully.
Tia
Tia Leschke
>My opinion of those alarms are how rude....Why?
Assuming the child wants to try it. Even with less stigma attached to bed
wetting these days, it's still hard on the child.
Tia
The Bucknum's
<<<<<What's the kid supposed to do? Wake up mid-stream and try to make it to the
bathroom? If not, what?
I think sleeping is really important and if they can sleep wet they should.
And if a parent could afford some kind of electric alarm system, they could
have afforded diapers.
Sandra>>>>
That was part of my thinking too but then I was thinking and reading some. Why should they have to were diapers for how ever long they wet the bed 10-14 years, if a little jiggly thing is going to re-establish their ability to wake at night?
Teresa in Canada
bathroom? If not, what?
I think sleeping is really important and if they can sleep wet they should.
And if a parent could afford some kind of electric alarm system, they could
have afforded diapers.
Sandra>>>>
That was part of my thinking too but then I was thinking and reading some. Why should they have to were diapers for how ever long they wet the bed 10-14 years, if a little jiggly thing is going to re-establish their ability to wake at night?
Teresa in Canada
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about when it might go off, too, which could make for
some strange scarey dreams.
flowing, maybe it would stop on its own without. But
some kids (and parents) don't want to wait that long.
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>I dunno, it could make them more nervous and anxious
>
> I think it's some of both. If the child is a deep
> sleeper, knowing that
> there's some kind of alarm going to go off can
> possibly make them sleep
> more lightly.
about when it might go off, too, which could make for
some strange scarey dreams.
> They might still not be producingYeah, and when puberty hits and hormones start
> enough of the hormone that
> slows urine production at night, but if they're
> sleeping a little more
> lightly they just might wake up when the bladder
> gets full.
flowing, maybe it would stop on its own without. But
some kids (and parents) don't want to wait that long.
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With that experience you just mentioned, what does that really
in general, you might be interested to check out my website
www.natural-wisdom.com where i talk about raising babies without relying on
diapers. Babies are clearly able to control their sphincters long before
what is commonly believed.
My belief, based on my experience of raising a conventionally diapered child
who night-wet for many years and 2 diaper-free children who were
consistantly dry at night within the first 8-14 months, as well as talking
to hundeds of moms about this issue, is that conventionally diapered
children are actually trained to ignore their body signals and that toilet
training is a re-training to try to refind that awareness. Kind of like
having to unlearn your programming after quitting school to regain your
natural learning.
And once that's happened (ie. the diaper training or the school-programming)
it takes a lot of patience and time to undo and can't be forced. But, like
schooling, long-term diapering and toilet training can happily be avoided
altogether!! :-)
One thing i've discovered in my research that long-time night-wetters might
find helpful, is the very clear link between food allergies/sensitivities
and night-time wetting. By far the most common culprit seems to be dairy.
I've heard literally dozens of stories from moms whose children stopped
night-wetting totally when all dairy was removed from the diet. Some
children were so sensitive and predictable that as soon as any tiny bit of
dairy entered their system (like a breastfeeding mom drinking tea with milk,
or casein in a food product) they wet the bed again. I'm sure that info
would apply to older children too and i wish i'd have known it with my first
who really struggled with this and, as we now know, had food allergies.
By the way, citrus before bed and diuretic foods like watermelon can also
cause night-wetting but dairy is by far the most common.
Hope that's helpful to someone.
ingrid
> >say about thinking that bedwetting is physical? Isn't that what mostpeople
> >do believe, that the child hasn't matured enough in that way to wait?For a different perspective on that idea and the concept of toilet training
in general, you might be interested to check out my website
www.natural-wisdom.com where i talk about raising babies without relying on
diapers. Babies are clearly able to control their sphincters long before
what is commonly believed.
My belief, based on my experience of raising a conventionally diapered child
who night-wet for many years and 2 diaper-free children who were
consistantly dry at night within the first 8-14 months, as well as talking
to hundeds of moms about this issue, is that conventionally diapered
children are actually trained to ignore their body signals and that toilet
training is a re-training to try to refind that awareness. Kind of like
having to unlearn your programming after quitting school to regain your
natural learning.
And once that's happened (ie. the diaper training or the school-programming)
it takes a lot of patience and time to undo and can't be forced. But, like
schooling, long-term diapering and toilet training can happily be avoided
altogether!! :-)
One thing i've discovered in my research that long-time night-wetters might
find helpful, is the very clear link between food allergies/sensitivities
and night-time wetting. By far the most common culprit seems to be dairy.
I've heard literally dozens of stories from moms whose children stopped
night-wetting totally when all dairy was removed from the diet. Some
children were so sensitive and predictable that as soon as any tiny bit of
dairy entered their system (like a breastfeeding mom drinking tea with milk,
or casein in a food product) they wet the bed again. I'm sure that info
would apply to older children too and i wish i'd have known it with my first
who really struggled with this and, as we now know, had food allergies.
By the way, citrus before bed and diuretic foods like watermelon can also
cause night-wetting but dairy is by far the most common.
Hope that's helpful to someone.
ingrid
Fetteroll
on 1/2/04 11:49 PM, Wife2Vegman at wifetovegman2002@... wrote:
herself.
Some people are responding assuming the parent wants the alarm for the
child.
So what someoene means by the words they write is going to depend on which
assumption they made.
If the child wants one, why not?
If the child is wetting at night, the parent should let them know what
options are available so they can try various things out until they find
something what works for them.
Joyce
> I dunno, it could make them more nervous and anxiousI think some people are responding assuming the child wants the alarm for
> about when it might go off, too, which could make for
> some strange scarey dreams.
herself.
Some people are responding assuming the parent wants the alarm for the
child.
So what someoene means by the words they write is going to depend on which
assumption they made.
If the child wants one, why not?
If the child is wetting at night, the parent should let them know what
options are available so they can try various things out until they find
something what works for them.
Joyce
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In a message dated 1/2/04 8:17:37 PM, ctbucknum@... writes:
<< Why should they have to were diapers for how ever long they wet the bed
10-14 years, if a little jiggly thing is going to re-establish their ability to
wake at night? >>
Marty never had an "ability to wake at night," so it couldn't have been
re-established.
There are good arguments against sleeping in electrical fields (like under
electric blankets, too close to all-night appliances like clock radios) and it
doesn't seem healthier or safer to me, but if someone's priorities are
different, then that "alarm" might be the lesser of some uncounted number of evils.
I just wanted my kids to be able to sleep as long as they wanted to, after
they had gone to bed sleepy.
And now that Marty never has any troubles (hasn't for years), it seems in
retrospect that the least intrusive/invasive/pressuring solution worked out fine.
Sandra
<< Why should they have to were diapers for how ever long they wet the bed
10-14 years, if a little jiggly thing is going to re-establish their ability to
wake at night? >>
Marty never had an "ability to wake at night," so it couldn't have been
re-established.
There are good arguments against sleeping in electrical fields (like under
electric blankets, too close to all-night appliances like clock radios) and it
doesn't seem healthier or safer to me, but if someone's priorities are
different, then that "alarm" might be the lesser of some uncounted number of evils.
I just wanted my kids to be able to sleep as long as they wanted to, after
they had gone to bed sleepy.
And now that Marty never has any troubles (hasn't for years), it seems in
retrospect that the least intrusive/invasive/pressuring solution worked out fine.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
>I wasn't in 7th grade when I stopped, but I was almost 12. I was still
>
>In 7th grade, I was already 5'9". I don't think they had big diapers back
>then and I would NOT have wanted to wear them. I don't really think I wet
>all that often, though I really do not remember, except for Girl Scout camp,
>but that is a totally different story and that was 4th grade! LOL
wetting *every* night and hated it. I didn't get to go to Girl Scout camp
because of it. I went through puberty still wetting. In fact, I woke up one
morning, and my usual wet bed was red. Yuck! I hated it, would have done
anything in my power to stop, but it seems puberty stopped it for me. It
was just a month or two later.
Tia
Tia Leschke
>Funny. I had been drinking *tons* of milk in the year leading up to puberty
>One thing i've discovered in my research that long-time night-wetters might
>find helpful, is the very clear link between food allergies/sensitivities
>and night-time wetting. By far the most common culprit seems to be dairy.
>I've heard literally dozens of stories from moms whose children stopped
>night-wetting totally when all dairy was removed from the diet. Some
>children were so sensitive and predictable that as soon as any tiny bit of
>dairy entered their system (like a breastfeeding mom drinking tea with milk,
>or casein in a food product) they wet the bed again. I'm sure that info
>would apply to older children too and i wish i'd have known it with my first
>who really struggled with this and, as we now know, had food allergies.
and stopping the night wetting. I didn't cut down on the dairy for some
time after I quit wetting the bed.
Tia