Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Radical v Regular
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/26/2003 7:42:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Finally the headmistress put me in charge of unlocking the hall
and supervising the chair arranging for the daily morning assembly -
requiring me to be there half an hour before the rest of the school. I
remember feeling astonished. I was never late for school again, including
after that year was up.
That's interesting. So what was it in the new arrangement that got you there
on time? Suddenly you were able to plan ahead, or whatever was required, to
overcome the previously insurmountable misadventures. How come?
Nance
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[email protected] writes:
Finally the headmistress put me in charge of unlocking the hall
and supervising the chair arranging for the daily morning assembly -
requiring me to be there half an hour before the rest of the school. I
remember feeling astonished. I was never late for school again, including
after that year was up.
That's interesting. So what was it in the new arrangement that got you there
on time? Suddenly you were able to plan ahead, or whatever was required, to
overcome the previously insurmountable misadventures. How come?
Nance
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/26/03 7:46:43 AM, marbleface@... writes:
<< So what was it in the new arrangement that got you there
on time? Suddenly you were able to plan ahead, or whatever was required, to
overcome the previously insurmountable misadventures. How come? >>
I'm guessing it was the responsibility.
"They don't really need me" keeps a lot of people in bed, in my experience.
Sandra
<< So what was it in the new arrangement that got you there
on time? Suddenly you were able to plan ahead, or whatever was required, to
overcome the previously insurmountable misadventures. How come? >>
I'm guessing it was the responsibility.
"They don't really need me" keeps a lot of people in bed, in my experience.
Sandra
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In a message dated 12/26/2003 10:00:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:38:57 -0600
From: "Lyle W." <unschoolingdad@...>
Subject: Re: Radical v Regular?
~~Now I "have
to" go warm up the coffee -- because I choose to have another cup.~~
Or...."now I'm GOING to warm up the coffee..."
:)
Lyle
Well, I "have to" heat it up if I want it warm. I could have had it cold, but
I chose to have it warm. I get the :) -- I get that you are kidding. But
there are times when a "have to" is just an expression. There are times when a
"have to" is a burden. It's nice people here are taking the time to help each
other -- but acknowledging the other person's point of view is helpful too.
Sometimes I just mean "have to" and am not complaining and the kids are not
complaining and I don't need help getting that phrase out of my life. Sometimes I
might need that help. Define and dissect all you want. Have fun! :) But
sometimes, really, as another poster wrote, "A cigar is just a cigar."
Or maybe some people don't want to accept that -- and that's fine with me.
If, every time I write the words "have to," you conjure a scene of how my life
is burdened, that is your choice.
Nance
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[email protected] writes:
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:38:57 -0600
From: "Lyle W." <unschoolingdad@...>
Subject: Re: Radical v Regular?
~~Now I "have
to" go warm up the coffee -- because I choose to have another cup.~~
Or...."now I'm GOING to warm up the coffee..."
:)
Lyle
Well, I "have to" heat it up if I want it warm. I could have had it cold, but
I chose to have it warm. I get the :) -- I get that you are kidding. But
there are times when a "have to" is just an expression. There are times when a
"have to" is a burden. It's nice people here are taking the time to help each
other -- but acknowledging the other person's point of view is helpful too.
Sometimes I just mean "have to" and am not complaining and the kids are not
complaining and I don't need help getting that phrase out of my life. Sometimes I
might need that help. Define and dissect all you want. Have fun! :) But
sometimes, really, as another poster wrote, "A cigar is just a cigar."
Or maybe some people don't want to accept that -- and that's fine with me.
If, every time I write the words "have to," you conjure a scene of how my life
is burdened, that is your choice.
Nance
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Lyle W.
~~Or maybe some people don't want to accept that -- and that's fine with me.
If, every time I write the words "have to," you conjure a scene of how my life
is burdened, that is your choice.~~
What I, or anyone else, "conjures up" makes no difference. But some people here obviously don't think there is a difference between have to and choose to, even when they're 'just saying the words'. If some people don't want to accept that there is a difference, that's fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
Lyle
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If, every time I write the words "have to," you conjure a scene of how my life
is burdened, that is your choice.~~
What I, or anyone else, "conjures up" makes no difference. But some people here obviously don't think there is a difference between have to and choose to, even when they're 'just saying the words'. If some people don't want to accept that there is a difference, that's fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
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J. Stauffer
<<< If some people don't want to accept that there is a difference, that's
fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
Again, lots of assumption. People don't all react the same to the
connotations of words or even of situations.
Julie S.
fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
>******************************************
> Lyle>>>
Again, lots of assumption. People don't all react the same to the
connotations of words or even of situations.
Julie S.
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From: "Lyle W." <unschoolingdad@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Radical v Regular
> ~~Or maybe some people don't want to accept that -- and that's fine with
me.
> If, every time I write the words "have to," you conjure a scene of how my
life
> is burdened, that is your choice.~~
>
> What I, or anyone else, "conjures up" makes no difference. But some
people here obviously don't think there is a difference between have to and
choose to, even when they're 'just saying the words'. > ***Always remember,
Lead By Example***
>
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<<<If some people don't want to accept that there is a difference, that's
fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
Again, lots of assumption. People don't all react the same to the
connotations of words or even of situations.
Julie S.
That is so true but if you use the words "have to" too much you may forget
they really are choices and that there are other choices you could make.
(you generic you not specific you)
Pam G
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fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
>******************************************
>Lyle>>>
Again, lots of assumption. People don't all react the same to the
connotations of words or even of situations.
Julie S.
That is so true but if you use the words "have to" too much you may forget
they really are choices and that there are other choices you could make.
(you generic you not specific you)
Pam G
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/26/2003 12:18:34 PM Mountain Standard Time,
jnjstau@... writes:
<<< If some people don't want to accept that there is a difference, that's
fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
Again, lots of assumption. People don't all react the same to the
connotations of words or even of situations.
Julie S.
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No, but if someone's reaction to "you don't *have* to" is yes I do, I DO, I
DO HAVE TO! that's a reaction that seems perhaps to be indicative of some
unexamined thought.
We could all be wrong, but it's never happened before <bwg>.
Sandra
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jnjstau@... writes:
<<< If some people don't want to accept that there is a difference, that's
fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
>******************************************
> Lyle>>>
Again, lots of assumption. People don't all react the same to the
connotations of words or even of situations.
Julie S.
-------------------------
No, but if someone's reaction to "you don't *have* to" is yes I do, I DO, I
DO HAVE TO! that's a reaction that seems perhaps to be indicative of some
unexamined thought.
We could all be wrong, but it's never happened before <bwg>.
Sandra
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J. Stauffer
<<That is so true but if you use the words "have to" too much you may forget
Julie S.
> they really are choices and that there are other choices you could make.>>Agreed.
Julie S.
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From: <Genant2@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Radical v Regular
> <<<If some people don't want to accept that there is a difference, that's
> fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
> >
> >Lyle>>>
> ******************************************
> Again, lots of assumption. People don't all react the same to the
> connotations of words or even of situations.
>
> Julie S.
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> >
> (you generic you not specific you)
> Pam G
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Robyn Coburn
It was the appalling idea of letting down the entire school if I was not
there. The "insurmountable misadventures" (fantastic phrase!) just
evaporated. I actually became so anxious to be on time, that I was generally
extra early. I guess there had never been a reason I cared about to just be
on time to deadly dull but compulsory assembly each day.
Robyn L. Coburn
<<That's interesting. So what was it in the new arrangement that got you
there
on time? Suddenly you were able to plan ahead, or whatever was required, to
overcome the previously insurmountable misadventures. How come?>>
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there. The "insurmountable misadventures" (fantastic phrase!) just
evaporated. I actually became so anxious to be on time, that I was generally
extra early. I guess there had never been a reason I cared about to just be
on time to deadly dull but compulsory assembly each day.
Robyn L. Coburn
<<That's interesting. So what was it in the new arrangement that got you
there
on time? Suddenly you were able to plan ahead, or whatever was required, to
overcome the previously insurmountable misadventures. How come?>>
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J. Stauffer
<<<> No, but if someone's reaction to "you don't *have* to" is yes I do, I
DO, I
Julie S.
DO, I
> DO HAVE TO! that's a reaction that seems perhaps to be indicative of someI "have to" agree with that <grin>
> unexamined thought.
>
> We could all be wrong, but it's never happened before <bwg>.>>>
Julie S.
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From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Radical v Regular
> In a message dated 12/26/2003 12:18:34 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> jnjstau@... writes:
> <<< If some people don't want to accept that there is a difference, that's
> fine with me. But it WILL get in the way of their unschooling lives.
> >
> > Lyle>>>
> ******************************************
> Again, lots of assumption. People don't all react the same to the
> connotations of words or even of situations.
>
> Julie S.
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> Sandra
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on 12/26/03 10:43 AM, marbleface@... at marbleface@... wrote:
People do use it that way but they do so at their own peril ;-)
It helps people get the responses they expect (and keeps the list useful) if
people keep in mind that what they're sharing gets treated as examples of
the ideas/principles/philosophies of unschooling. If they use words casually
and imply something that will get interpretted in a way they don't intend,
then it's going to be held up to examination.
Joyce
> Or maybe some people don't want to accept that -- and that's fine with me.I think lots of people think of the list as a place to share what they do.
> If, every time I write the words "have to," you conjure a scene of how my life
> is burdened, that is your choice.
People do use it that way but they do so at their own peril ;-)
It helps people get the responses they expect (and keeps the list useful) if
people keep in mind that what they're sharing gets treated as examples of
the ideas/principles/philosophies of unschooling. If they use words casually
and imply something that will get interpretted in a way they don't intend,
then it's going to be held up to examination.
Joyce