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In a message dated 12/14/03 12:50:58 AM, sheran@... writes:

<< If you were quoting me, it'd probably sound like, "I don't believe

the Bible is literally true but I don't want to admit it to myself

yet. ;) >>

Kelly send me a packet she got advertising a "Creation Conference" being held
in South Carolina. In the cover letter it says "The importance of the
account of Creation and its ramifications can hardly be over emphasized."

What that means is that they think if they can prove THAT is true, it proves
everything else in the Bible is true. That is some lame and twisted logic,
but when people base their entire lives on the premise that by faith they
believe the Bible is true, there's hardly another foothold. If the world was NOT
made in seven days, maybe Jesus isn't coming back, and they've been living
lives of deprivation and guilt for no good reason.

Yesterday I rented a DVD and watched it, called "Devil's Playground," about
Amish teens taking their prescribed break to experiment with the "english"
world before they decide whether to be Amish themselves or not, since that
religion is based on NOT allowing for infant Baptism, but only having responsible
people who understand what they're commiting to join the church. Because once
you commit it's stay for life or be shunned. So at 16 kids go out and be
while a while (or they stay and be wild, partying and drinking in the barn at
night). It was sad, and too rough to watch with little kids (drug situation and
bad language), but it was another instance of people basing their lives on
something besides the inherent value and goodness of people, and the extreme
effect it has on anyone who can't relax and fit in. Yet one of the details was
that nearly 90% come back and join the church--the highest figure since the
religion was established in the late 1600s.

They live on this earth to earn a place in Heaven. That's it.

Sandra

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In a message dated 12/14/2003 7:30:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
If the world was NOT
made in seven days, maybe Jesus isn't coming back, and they've been living
lives of deprivation and guilt for no good reason.


But not all people who believe in a literal Bible live their lives being
deprived or full of guilt.

It's the same as saying all unschoolers live wonderful carefree joyous days,
doesn't happen.

Too general, again using strokes too wide and bold when referring to people
who believe in the Bible and live Christian lives.

glena


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In a message dated 12/14/2003 11:31:42 AM Mountain Standard Time,
rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
and they've been living
lives of deprivation and guilt for no good reason.
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The "they" to whom I was referring was the creationist so determined to prove
creationism for their critical purpose, and the Amish.

Both groups are involved in deprivation and guilt.

I wasn't talking about people to whom what I was discussing didn't occur.

In New Mexico a lot of people live in adobe houses. If I write talking about
adobe houses in New Mexico, it won't be helpful for someone to write and say
not everyone in New Mexico lives in an adobe house.

-=-It's the same as saying all unschoolers live wonderful carefree joyous
days,
doesn't happen.
-=-

Has anyone said all unschoolers live/do/are ANY one thing?
If someone makes a statement about their own family, why generalize that to
"all"?

-=-Too general, again using strokes too wide and bold when referring to
people
who believe in the Bible and live Christian lives.-=-

Had I been refering to everyone living a Christian life, perhaps you would be
right, but I wasn't. I quoted and I made specific reference.


Sandra


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