Re:can religious people be unshoolers?
Julie Anderson
<<LOL -- I don't think so either. But do you think religious people can be
unschoolers? Nance>>>
From my experience so far..No, I don't think they could be..
Julie in MO
unschoolers? Nance>>>
From my experience so far..No, I don't think they could be..
Julie in MO
C & J Hanson
Why would you say that? I have been unschooling for 15 yrs. I have unschooled three of my 4 kids ages (now) 15 to 26. They have never been to school.
I am a Latter Day Saint and very active in my church.
I home birthed, let my kids wean themselves and have never punished any of them. I treat them as I would like to be treated. Works every time.
You should watch your prejudices.
Janey
I am a Latter Day Saint and very active in my church.
I home birthed, let my kids wean themselves and have never punished any of them. I treat them as I would like to be treated. Works every time.
You should watch your prejudices.
Janey
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Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re:can religious people be unshoolers?
<<LOL -- I don't think so either. But do you think religious people can be
unschoolers? Nance>>>
From my experience so far..No, I don't think they could be..
Julie in MO
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kayb85
I think the question isn't so much can you be "religious" (which can
be broad)and unschool but can you believe in a set of absolute values
and one absolute way that decides whether people go to heaven and
hell and still unschool. Can any caring parent who believes that not
believing in Jesus as Savior results in a person going to hell be
comfortable with their child not accepting Jesus as Savior? If one
believed that was the only way to avoid eternal hell, wouldn't you
beg and plead with them to accept the right way?
Sheila
--- In [email protected], "C & J Hanson"
<hanson01@c...> wrote:
been to school.
time.
be broad)and unschool but can you believe in a set of absolute values
and one absolute way that decides whether people go to heaven and
hell and still unschool. Can any caring parent who believes that not
believing in Jesus as Savior results in a person going to hell be
comfortable with their child not accepting Jesus as Savior? If one
believed that was the only way to avoid eternal hell, wouldn't you
beg and plead with them to accept the right way?
Sheila
--- In [email protected], "C & J Hanson"
<hanson01@c...> wrote:
> Why would you say that? I have been unschooling for 15 yrs. I haveunschooled three of my 4 kids ages (now) 15 to 26. They have never
been to school.
> I am a Latter Day Saint and very active in my church.any of them. I treat them as I would like to be treated. Works every
> I home birthed, let my kids wean themselves and have never punished
time.
>unshoolers?
> You should watch your prejudices.
> Janey
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If one
believed that was the only way to avoid eternal hell, wouldn't you
beg and plead with them to accept the right way?
No, you wouldn't, you would keep the child in your fervent prayers and have
faith that the Holy Spirit will speak to their heart about their eternal
decisions. Begging and pleading cannot bring someone to the Lord, truly, I don't
think. It's all in God's time, not in the mothers or fathers or the preachers.
If you were the nagging sort of mom you might beg and plead to complete this
"ACT" of turning your life over to Christ and to be SAVED but in those
instances I think a mother would (but thinking again, very well might NOT) realize it
was only an act to get the mother/father/preacher off their backs and not a
decision of free will because their heart was moved to be "saved".
Much like with unschooling, one would live their life as an example of how
their children might live. If the mother seems happy and joyous in her life,
the children are more likely to follow the example. If she seems have crazed
and utterly restricted by her Covenants with her God, the child would probably
want no part of it.
Probably a good chance the child would reject all parent religious teachings
or at least explore other ones at some point, if nothing more than to explore
their own inner thoughts and feelings about such things.
glena
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sheran@... writes:
If one
believed that was the only way to avoid eternal hell, wouldn't you
beg and plead with them to accept the right way?
No, you wouldn't, you would keep the child in your fervent prayers and have
faith that the Holy Spirit will speak to their heart about their eternal
decisions. Begging and pleading cannot bring someone to the Lord, truly, I don't
think. It's all in God's time, not in the mothers or fathers or the preachers.
If you were the nagging sort of mom you might beg and plead to complete this
"ACT" of turning your life over to Christ and to be SAVED but in those
instances I think a mother would (but thinking again, very well might NOT) realize it
was only an act to get the mother/father/preacher off their backs and not a
decision of free will because their heart was moved to be "saved".
Much like with unschooling, one would live their life as an example of how
their children might live. If the mother seems happy and joyous in her life,
the children are more likely to follow the example. If she seems have crazed
and utterly restricted by her Covenants with her God, the child would probably
want no part of it.
Probably a good chance the child would reject all parent religious teachings
or at least explore other ones at some point, if nothing more than to explore
their own inner thoughts and feelings about such things.
glena
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Wife2Vegman
--- kayb85 <sheran@...> wrote:
that calls people to Himself, we are only responsible
to share the gospel with them, and model it for them
in our lives. Through watching us walk out our faith,
we trust the children will be drawn. No person can be
responsible for another person's salvation, because
that would be putting ourselves at the same level as
God.
Susan
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>Actually, no. Our personal position is that it is God
> Can any caring parent who
> believes that not
> believing in Jesus as Savior results in a person
> going to hell be
> comfortable with their child not accepting Jesus as
> Savior? If one
> believed that was the only way to avoid eternal
> hell, wouldn't you
> beg and plead with them to accept the right way?
>
> Sheila
that calls people to Himself, we are only responsible
to share the gospel with them, and model it for them
in our lives. Through watching us walk out our faith,
we trust the children will be drawn. No person can be
responsible for another person's salvation, because
that would be putting ourselves at the same level as
God.
Susan
wifetovegman
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Elizabeth Roberts
I am a born-again Christian. But I don't force my beliefs on my children; however this is the life that I lead. Sarah became a Christian when she was 5. She happily joins me in church, goes to Junior Church and reminds me to help her study for the AWANA Bible Club that she enjoys. Logan asked to be a Cubbie in AWANA, but he's not as into it right now as Sarah is. So I don't make him go, and I don't make him study.
I can not make them become Christians. All I can do is live my life, and openly. If they choose a different religion or none at all there is nothing I can ultimately do about it. They'll know my prayer for them to become Christians, but if they don't, I won't love them any less.
So yes, religious people can unschool.
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I can not make them become Christians. All I can do is live my life, and openly. If they choose a different religion or none at all there is nothing I can ultimately do about it. They'll know my prayer for them to become Christians, but if they don't, I won't love them any less.
So yes, religious people can unschool.
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my3sonsinva
I've met Unitarians and Christians that unschool. Do a web search
and you will find books and websites on the subject. I've met
many "conservative" Christians that home birth, family bed, believe
in child led weaning, are into herbal remedies, etc.
We are Methodist and our motto is "open hearts, open minds, open
doors". We even have Yoga classes.
Barb in VA
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<anderclan@c...> wrote:
and you will find books and websites on the subject. I've met
many "conservative" Christians that home birth, family bed, believe
in child led weaning, are into herbal remedies, etc.
We are Methodist and our motto is "open hearts, open minds, open
doors". We even have Yoga classes.
Barb in VA
--- In [email protected], "Julie Anderson"
<anderclan@c...> wrote:
> <<LOL -- I don't think so either. But do you think religious peoplecan be
> unschoolers? Nance>>>
>
> From my experience so far..No, I don't think they could be..
> Julie in MO
Elizabeth Roberts
I wouldn't be "comfortable" with it either if my children were to not become Christian. But that wouldn't make me love them any less. It wouldn't mean they couldn't be in my house.
Jesus didn't beg or plead for people to follow him. He asked specific people, and others also followed. But they all had the choice. We all still have that choice.
My husband was forced into attending church. He won't go. A person's attendance at church really has nothing to do with their faith. It's between him and God. He can worship and pray just as well outside of a church as he can within one.
I happen to like going to church, so I go. The children come with me when Paul is not home because I don't have a sitter. But they have the choice when he is home whether to go or not.
MamaBeth
Wife2Vegman <wifetovegman2002@...> wrote:
--- kayb85 <sheran@...> wrote:
that calls people to Himself, we are only responsible
to share the gospel with them, and model it for them
in our lives. Through watching us walk out our faith,
we trust the children will be drawn. No person can be
responsible for another person's salvation, because
that would be putting ourselves at the same level as
God.
Susan
wifetovegman
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Jesus didn't beg or plead for people to follow him. He asked specific people, and others also followed. But they all had the choice. We all still have that choice.
My husband was forced into attending church. He won't go. A person's attendance at church really has nothing to do with their faith. It's between him and God. He can worship and pray just as well outside of a church as he can within one.
I happen to like going to church, so I go. The children come with me when Paul is not home because I don't have a sitter. But they have the choice when he is home whether to go or not.
MamaBeth
Wife2Vegman <wifetovegman2002@...> wrote:
--- kayb85 <sheran@...> wrote:
>Actually, no. Our personal position is that it is God
> Can any caring parent who
> believes that not
> believing in Jesus as Savior results in a person
> going to hell be
> comfortable with their child not accepting Jesus as
> Savior? If one
> believed that was the only way to avoid eternal
> hell, wouldn't you
> beg and plead with them to accept the right way?
>
> Sheila
that calls people to Himself, we are only responsible
to share the gospel with them, and model it for them
in our lives. Through watching us walk out our faith,
we trust the children will be drawn. No person can be
responsible for another person's salvation, because
that would be putting ourselves at the same level as
God.
Susan
wifetovegman
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<< If one
believed that was the only way to avoid eternal hell, wouldn't you
beg and plead with them to accept the right way?
No, you wouldn't, >>
Two things: Let's talk about what WE do or think or what we can show by
evidence that others believe or think instead of using this kind of "no you
would't" verbiage.
The other thing is if people are using AOL 9.0, you need to compensate for
the glitch that doesn't separate your highlighted quote from the response you
give.
Up above it was two different voices, but that's not apparent in the post.
There have been several posts where the response came right in the same
paragraph, with no break, from the quote, and those are confusing.
I've done it a couple of times when using Kirby's computer which has 9.0.
If you're using that, add quotation marks of some sort <<maybe this kind>> AND
most importantly, hit the return key at least twice before you start typing,
because otherwise there will be no space.
It's bad enough for us to tell people what they SHOULD do without telling
them what they will or won't do.
<<No, you wouldn't, you would keep the child in your fervent prayers and have
faith that....>>
Please don't.
If Christians want to wrestle each other to the death, they need to go and
build their own yahoogroups colliseum. You'll all go to heaven at the end, so
life or death doesn't matter, but we wouldn't be getting the blood on the rest
of the people on this list.
Sandra
believed that was the only way to avoid eternal hell, wouldn't you
beg and plead with them to accept the right way?
No, you wouldn't, >>
Two things: Let's talk about what WE do or think or what we can show by
evidence that others believe or think instead of using this kind of "no you
would't" verbiage.
The other thing is if people are using AOL 9.0, you need to compensate for
the glitch that doesn't separate your highlighted quote from the response you
give.
Up above it was two different voices, but that's not apparent in the post.
There have been several posts where the response came right in the same
paragraph, with no break, from the quote, and those are confusing.
I've done it a couple of times when using Kirby's computer which has 9.0.
If you're using that, add quotation marks of some sort <<maybe this kind>> AND
most importantly, hit the return key at least twice before you start typing,
because otherwise there will be no space.
It's bad enough for us to tell people what they SHOULD do without telling
them what they will or won't do.
<<No, you wouldn't, you would keep the child in your fervent prayers and have
faith that....>>
Please don't.
If Christians want to wrestle each other to the death, they need to go and
build their own yahoogroups colliseum. You'll all go to heaven at the end, so
life or death doesn't matter, but we wouldn't be getting the blood on the rest
of the people on this list.
Sandra
kayb85
> I can not make them become Christians. All I can do is live mylife, and openly. If they choose a different religion or none at all
there is nothing I can ultimately do about it. They'll know my prayer
for them to become Christians, but if they don't, I won't love them
any less.
Of course you won't love them any less. But believing what you
believe, you would have to at least feel some type of anguish at the
thought of their eternal souls ending up in hell.
Sheila
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I dont think in my mind the question applies to the children but rather the
parents and beliefs.
Laura
<<I can not make them become Christians. All I can do is live my life, and
openly. If they choose a different religion or none at all there is nothing I
can ultimately do about it. They'll know my prayer for them to become
Christians, but if they don't, I won't love them any less.
So yes, religious people can unschool.
MamaBeth>>
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parents and beliefs.
Laura
<<I can not make them become Christians. All I can do is live my life, and
openly. If they choose a different religion or none at all there is nothing I
can ultimately do about it. They'll know my prayer for them to become
Christians, but if they don't, I won't love them any less.
So yes, religious people can unschool.
MamaBeth>>
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Shay
--- In [email protected], "Julie Anderson"
<anderclan@c...> wrote:
unschooling fits right in w/UU principles. Plenty of Christians,
Buddhists, Muslims, etc. also unschool. Unschooling isn't about
religion; it's about honoring the child's interests and inborn urge
to learn.
-Shay
<anderclan@c...> wrote:
> <<LOL -- I don't think so either. But do you think religiouspeople can be
> unschoolers? Nance>>>I'm religious and I unschool. I'm a Unitarian Universalist, and
>
> From my experience so far..No, I don't think they could be..
> Julie in MO>>
unschooling fits right in w/UU principles. Plenty of Christians,
Buddhists, Muslims, etc. also unschool. Unschooling isn't about
religion; it's about honoring the child's interests and inborn urge
to learn.
-Shay
Elizabeth Roberts
Yes, I would. It would bother me, but I couldn't do anything about it other than let them know that it bothers me.
MamaBeth
kayb85 <sheran@...> wrote:
there is nothing I can ultimately do about it. They'll know my prayer
for them to become Christians, but if they don't, I won't love them
any less.
Of course you won't love them any less. But believing what you
believe, you would have to at least feel some type of anguish at the
thought of their eternal souls ending up in hell.
Sheila
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MamaBeth
kayb85 <sheran@...> wrote:
> I can not make them become Christians. All I can do is live mylife, and openly. If they choose a different religion or none at all
there is nothing I can ultimately do about it. They'll know my prayer
for them to become Christians, but if they don't, I won't love them
any less.
Of course you won't love them any less. But believing what you
believe, you would have to at least feel some type of anguish at the
thought of their eternal souls ending up in hell.
Sheila
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In a message dated 12/10/2003 3:17:40 PM Mountain Standard Time,
shaysea@... writes:
-=-Unschooling isn't about
religion; it's about honoring the child's interests and inborn urge
to learn.-=-
True, but if one's religion prohibits honoring a child or respecting their
"inborn urges," unschooling can prove unworkable.
All honor flows upward (children honor adults but adults owe children
nothing) in some branches of Christianity, and their "inborn urges" are purely sinful.
I can bring references if it would help, or people who doubt this could just
go to google and spend a few sad hours reading about the sinful nature of
young Christian homeschoolers.
Sandra
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shaysea@... writes:
-=-Unschooling isn't about
religion; it's about honoring the child's interests and inborn urge
to learn.-=-
True, but if one's religion prohibits honoring a child or respecting their
"inborn urges," unschooling can prove unworkable.
All honor flows upward (children honor adults but adults owe children
nothing) in some branches of Christianity, and their "inborn urges" are purely sinful.
I can bring references if it would help, or people who doubt this could just
go to google and spend a few sad hours reading about the sinful nature of
young Christian homeschoolers.
Sandra
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