I can do guns, it's the gore...
Joyce
that bothers me when ds now 8 finds games he likes to play online. I've asked him not to play those games but then there will be another game he'll find and it feels wrong to keep asking him to find a different game if he doesn't seem to have an issue with it. Yet it also doesn't feel right for ds (8) to play gory killing games (shooting games). I'd rather he saw something with sex in it than bloody violence yet I know lots of kids play these games but the parents might not like the kids to see movies or whatever with sex in it. I don't know why I'm so different about this and want to understand.
The other day dd was playing a fishing game online that seemed 'innocent' enough but then if the little fisherman catches one of a certain kind of fish his head will blow up. The kids say it's not real but my instincts? tell me 'no' don't let them see that?
Am I trying to preserve an innocence or something?
The shooting and killing used to bother me and maybe still does a bit but I think it's really the gore that bothers me the most especially for dc so young.
Joyce
The other day dd was playing a fishing game online that seemed 'innocent' enough but then if the little fisherman catches one of a certain kind of fish his head will blow up. The kids say it's not real but my instincts? tell me 'no' don't let them see that?
Am I trying to preserve an innocence or something?
The shooting and killing used to bother me and maybe still does a bit but I think it's really the gore that bothers me the most especially for dc so young.
Joyce
Dawn Adams
Joyce writes:----- The other day dd was playing a fishing game online that seemed 'innocent' >enough but then if the little fisherman catches one of a certain kind of fish his head will >blow up. The kids say it's not real but my instincts? tell me 'no' don't let them see >that?
Dawn (Former Wolfenstein 3D addict)
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>Maybe, I really don't think kids are innocent (what in the heck does that really mean anyway?). Innocence is something adults impose on kids. Anyhow, I would think it's no big deal. I grew up on gory shooting games and I never confused it for reality. It's balance that's key. What worries do you have about it? How is it different in your mind from the violence that may be in a good war movie, book or role playing game?
>Am I trying to preserve an innocence or something?
Dawn (Former Wolfenstein 3D addict)
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Robyn Coburn
My sorrow will be when Jayn learns that there are children starving in the
world, and people abusing children, and about the horrible evils that real
people have committed against real people throughout history - as she
eventually must. That is the innocence about Jayn that I treasure. Jayn is
able to walk away from games that are too scary for her - usually it is the
creatures, or ghosts, that bother her.
Robyn L. Coburn
<<Maybe, I really don't think kids are innocent (what in the heck does that
really mean anyway?). Innocence is something adults impose on kids.>>
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world, and people abusing children, and about the horrible evils that real
people have committed against real people throughout history - as she
eventually must. That is the innocence about Jayn that I treasure. Jayn is
able to walk away from games that are too scary for her - usually it is the
creatures, or ghosts, that bother her.
Robyn L. Coburn
<<Maybe, I really don't think kids are innocent (what in the heck does that
really mean anyway?). Innocence is something adults impose on kids.>>
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Joyce
>Maybe, I really don't think kids are innocent (what in the heck does that really mean anyway?). Innocence is something adults impose on kids. Anyhow, I would think it's no big deal. I grew up on gory shooting games and I never confused it for reality. It's balance that's key. What worries do you have about it? How is it different in your mind from the violence that may be in a good war movie, book or role playing game?Dawn (Former Wolfenstein 3D addict)<
I guess maybe it's because gore bothers 'me'. The more I see it I feel the less it bothers me but I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.
I definitely have more fear? with dc my kids age seeing violent, bloody movies than reading it in a book or on a game because it's so much more intense for me.
I remember now that I've always had an issue with gore even as a kid. I never understood the total acceptance of the gore as 'just' a part of the game or movie. That is how kids or people who live these movies and games see it right?
I heard the director (sorry forget his name) of the film Kill Bill say how the movie was about extreme gore for the black humor of it. ??? I so don't get that either!!
Joyce
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I agree...it does bother me too...my husband has found an online soldier-type game that he loves, and it's rather graphic. I try to tell myself it's a way for him to de-stress; but I'd really prefer him to not play it when the kids are around. But he will say "Oh, they aren't paying any attention to it" but that isn't my point.
I know that chances are Logan will be attracted to that sort of thing when he is older...it's "in his blood" so to speak as a male. All I can do is try to teach him right and wrong, and to be safe around guns and such.
I know that they argue that children exposed to things like that are more likely to end up "going postal" or something...but the thing to remember is this: they were not only ignored by their classmates, but their parents as well. What we're giving our children by our lifestyle of respecting them, letting them be who they are, is a secure sense of self that those children didn't have that led to them feeling they needed to hurt others to prove who they were. I highly doubt our children will end up doing that, gory video games or not (especially if they fully understand that it is not reality).
MamaBeth
Joyce <joyce@...> wrote:
that bothers me when ds now 8 finds games he likes to play online. I've asked him not to play those games but then there will be another game he'll find and it feels wrong to keep asking him to find a different game if he doesn't seem to have an issue with it. Yet it also doesn't feel right for ds (8) to play gory killing games (shooting games). I'd rather he saw something with sex in it than bloody violence yet I know lots of kids play these games but the parents might not like the kids to see movies or whatever with sex in it. I don't know why I'm so different about this and want to understand.
The other day dd was playing a fishing game online that seemed 'innocent' enough but then if the little fisherman catches one of a certain kind of fish his head will blow up. The kids say it's not real but my instincts? tell me 'no' don't let them see that?
Am I trying to preserve an innocence or something?
The shooting and killing used to bother me and maybe still does a bit but I think it's really the gore that bothers me the most especially for dc so young.
Joyce
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I know that chances are Logan will be attracted to that sort of thing when he is older...it's "in his blood" so to speak as a male. All I can do is try to teach him right and wrong, and to be safe around guns and such.
I know that they argue that children exposed to things like that are more likely to end up "going postal" or something...but the thing to remember is this: they were not only ignored by their classmates, but their parents as well. What we're giving our children by our lifestyle of respecting them, letting them be who they are, is a secure sense of self that those children didn't have that led to them feeling they needed to hurt others to prove who they were. I highly doubt our children will end up doing that, gory video games or not (especially if they fully understand that it is not reality).
MamaBeth
Joyce <joyce@...> wrote:
that bothers me when ds now 8 finds games he likes to play online. I've asked him not to play those games but then there will be another game he'll find and it feels wrong to keep asking him to find a different game if he doesn't seem to have an issue with it. Yet it also doesn't feel right for ds (8) to play gory killing games (shooting games). I'd rather he saw something with sex in it than bloody violence yet I know lots of kids play these games but the parents might not like the kids to see movies or whatever with sex in it. I don't know why I'm so different about this and want to understand.
The other day dd was playing a fishing game online that seemed 'innocent' enough but then if the little fisherman catches one of a certain kind of fish his head will blow up. The kids say it's not real but my instincts? tell me 'no' don't let them see that?
Am I trying to preserve an innocence or something?
The shooting and killing used to bother me and maybe still does a bit but I think it's really the gore that bothers me the most especially for dc so young.
Joyce
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In a message dated 12/4/03 6:50:11 AM, mamabethuscg@... writes:
<< I know that chances are Logan will be attracted to that sort of thing when
he is older...it's "in his blood" so to speak as a male. All I can do is try
to teach him right and wrong, and to be safe around guns and such. >>
Video games are not guns.
Really.
Even the ancient Nintendo Duckhunt is just a target game involving light.
It's just light and pictures. No ducks were ever harmed. No dog actually ever
got happy.
<<I know that they argue that children exposed to things like that are more
likely to end up "going postal" or something>>
They are wrong.
Kids who are controlled and shamed are more likely to go postal.
And discussions of limiting access to one video game and not another are
discussions of control and shame.
-=-The kids say it's not real but my instincts? tell me 'no' don't let them
see that?
-=-Am I trying to preserve an innocence or something?-=-
Maybe your own.
"Something," definitely. <g>
Marty listens to some music I just haven't warmed up to yet. It jitters me.
I could tell him not to play it, but instead I bought it for him when it
first came out and we cooperate. I try to be elsewhere, and he doesn't play it
too loudly.
-=-The shooting and killing used to bother me and maybe still does a bit but
I think it's really the gore that bothers me the most especially for dc so
young.-=-
It's not shooting and it's not killing, and it's not gore. Real gore is hot
and smells, and would stain your carpet.
I think it's the mom who can't tell the difference, rather than the kids,
when the mom talks about death and gore while a child is sitting safely in his
own home holding a remote control and little pictures are going by on a
television.
Sandra
<< I know that chances are Logan will be attracted to that sort of thing when
he is older...it's "in his blood" so to speak as a male. All I can do is try
to teach him right and wrong, and to be safe around guns and such. >>
Video games are not guns.
Really.
Even the ancient Nintendo Duckhunt is just a target game involving light.
It's just light and pictures. No ducks were ever harmed. No dog actually ever
got happy.
<<I know that they argue that children exposed to things like that are more
likely to end up "going postal" or something>>
They are wrong.
Kids who are controlled and shamed are more likely to go postal.
And discussions of limiting access to one video game and not another are
discussions of control and shame.
-=-The kids say it's not real but my instincts? tell me 'no' don't let them
see that?
-=-Am I trying to preserve an innocence or something?-=-
Maybe your own.
"Something," definitely. <g>
Marty listens to some music I just haven't warmed up to yet. It jitters me.
I could tell him not to play it, but instead I bought it for him when it
first came out and we cooperate. I try to be elsewhere, and he doesn't play it
too loudly.
-=-The shooting and killing used to bother me and maybe still does a bit but
I think it's really the gore that bothers me the most especially for dc so
young.-=-
It's not shooting and it's not killing, and it's not gore. Real gore is hot
and smells, and would stain your carpet.
I think it's the mom who can't tell the difference, rather than the kids,
when the mom talks about death and gore while a child is sitting safely in his
own home holding a remote control and little pictures are going by on a
television.
Sandra
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In a message dated 12/04/2003 10:49:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Yes, at least for the near future, there are obvious differences
between "real" and simulated. But it's equally obvious to me that these
differences have been dramatically reduced, just in our lifetimes, and that the momentum
is toward erasing them.
The human mind fascinates me as art AND science. To me, the effects of
various storylines, images, and music and all other entertainment should be
considered as both to be understood. In the end, I might wind up pretty much
where Sandra seems to be, but for me, there's a lot more to getting to that
place than simply accepting that whatever modern culture can throw at us has no
power to affect us.
The unschooling angle on whether graphic entertainment has any effect
and if so, what kind, fascinates me too -- enough to propel me off to
re-explore some resources with this thread in mind, like Steven Pinker's book, "The
Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature." And online I may browse back
through some of the Thinking Parent stuff we collected at the PDE website (<A HREF="http://www.parentdirectededucation.org/Thinking%20Parent/Quick%20Links.htm">Quick
Links to Resources</A> takes you there without all the intros and transitions.)
I'll report back if I find anything particularly illuminating. <g>
And I really am interested in links or thoughts others here may have
on this. JJ
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> -=-The shooting and killing used to bother me and maybe still does a bitHmmm.
> but
> I think it's really the gore that bothers me the most especially for dc so
> young.-=-
>
> It's not shooting and it's not killing, and it's not gore. Real gore is hot
>
> and smells, and would stain your carpet.
>
> I think it's the mom who can't tell the difference, rather than the kids,
> when the mom talks about death and gore while a child is sitting safely in
> his
> own home holding a remote control and little pictures are going by on a
> television.
>
> Sandra
>
Yes, at least for the near future, there are obvious differences
between "real" and simulated. But it's equally obvious to me that these
differences have been dramatically reduced, just in our lifetimes, and that the momentum
is toward erasing them.
The human mind fascinates me as art AND science. To me, the effects of
various storylines, images, and music and all other entertainment should be
considered as both to be understood. In the end, I might wind up pretty much
where Sandra seems to be, but for me, there's a lot more to getting to that
place than simply accepting that whatever modern culture can throw at us has no
power to affect us.
The unschooling angle on whether graphic entertainment has any effect
and if so, what kind, fascinates me too -- enough to propel me off to
re-explore some resources with this thread in mind, like Steven Pinker's book, "The
Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature." And online I may browse back
through some of the Thinking Parent stuff we collected at the PDE website (<A HREF="http://www.parentdirectededucation.org/Thinking%20Parent/Quick%20Links.htm">Quick
Links to Resources</A> takes you there without all the intros and transitions.)
I'll report back if I find anything particularly illuminating. <g>
And I really am interested in links or thoughts others here may have
on this. JJ
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/4/2003 9:49:22 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
lazer is just a light. He says something like "What are you going to do, make
him BLINK?"
I love those movies.
Elizabeth in IL
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Even the ancient Nintendo Duckhunt is just a target game involving light.This reminds me of Toy Story when Woody is trying to convince Buzz that his
> It's just light and pictures. No ducks were ever harmed. No dog actually
> ever
> got happy.
>
lazer is just a light. He says something like "What are you going to do, make
him BLINK?"
I love those movies.
Elizabeth in IL
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J. Stauffer
<<but for me, there's a lot more to getting to that
becomes one of degree or perhaps balance. It is one thing to play shooting
games, it is another to be obsessed with violence. If someone, adult or
child, is holed up in their room for days on end playing gory games,
listening to rape and pillage music......that is just so much different than
an adult or child who has many interests one of which is gory games or rape
and pillage music.
My son, 10yo, loves guns, adores guns. Used to go to the library and check
out "The Shooter's Bible" which is basically a gun catalog and just sit and
look through it for hours on end. We were a bit worried because he seemed
so obsessed with little sense of what being shot does to a real life person.
So we signed him up for skeet shooting through 4-H. We helped him channel
that in a socially acceptable manner. He still loves guns but his talk
about them has matured tremendously and we know that he knows how to handle
one safely.
My daughter, 13yo, listens to music that I find tremendously offensive. We
have a deal that she doesn't listen to it around the little kids. I talked
to her about my reasons and she accepted them. Without my ever asking her
to, she has always changed the radio station in the car when a song was
coming on that she knew would be offensive to me. She is able to judge how
things affect others.
> place than simply accepting that whatever modern culture can throw at ushas no
> power to affect us.Of course things in our environment affect us. But I think the issue
>>>>
becomes one of degree or perhaps balance. It is one thing to play shooting
games, it is another to be obsessed with violence. If someone, adult or
child, is holed up in their room for days on end playing gory games,
listening to rape and pillage music......that is just so much different than
an adult or child who has many interests one of which is gory games or rape
and pillage music.
My son, 10yo, loves guns, adores guns. Used to go to the library and check
out "The Shooter's Bible" which is basically a gun catalog and just sit and
look through it for hours on end. We were a bit worried because he seemed
so obsessed with little sense of what being shot does to a real life person.
So we signed him up for skeet shooting through 4-H. We helped him channel
that in a socially acceptable manner. He still loves guns but his talk
about them has matured tremendously and we know that he knows how to handle
one safely.
My daughter, 13yo, listens to music that I find tremendously offensive. We
have a deal that she doesn't listen to it around the little kids. I talked
to her about my reasons and she accepted them. Without my ever asking her
to, she has always changed the radio station in the car when a song was
coming on that she knew would be offensive to me. She is able to judge how
things affect others.
----- Original Message -----
From: <jrossedd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] I can do guns, it's the gore...
> In a message dated 12/04/2003 10:49:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> SandraDodd@... writes:
>
>
> > -=-The shooting and killing used to bother me and maybe still does a bit
> > but
> > I think it's really the gore that bothers me the most especially for dc
so
> > young.-=-
> >
> > It's not shooting and it's not killing, and it's not gore. Real gore is
hot
> >
> > and smells, and would stain your carpet.
> >
> > I think it's the mom who can't tell the difference, rather than the
kids,
> > when the mom talks about death and gore while a child is sitting safely
in
> > his
> > own home holding a remote control and little pictures are going by on a
> > television.
> >
> > Sandra
> >
>
>
> Hmmm.
>
> Yes, at least for the near future, there are obvious differences
> between "real" and simulated. But it's equally obvious to me that these
> differences have been dramatically reduced, just in our lifetimes, and
that the momentum
> is toward erasing them.
>
> The human mind fascinates me as art AND science. To me, the effects
of
> various storylines, images, and music and all other entertainment should
be
> considered as both to be understood. In the end, I might wind up pretty
much
> where Sandra seems to be, >
> The unschooling angle on whether graphic entertainment has any
effect
> and if so, what kind, fascinates me too -- enough to propel me off to
> re-explore some resources with this thread in mind, like Steven Pinker's
book, "The
> Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature." And online I may browse
back
> through some of the Thinking Parent stuff we collected at the PDE website
(<A
HREF="http://www.parentdirectededucation.org/Thinking%20Parent/Quick%20Links
.htm">Quick
> Links to Resources</A> takes you there without all the intros and
transitions.)
>
> I'll report back if I find anything particularly illuminating. <g>
>
> And I really am interested in links or thoughts others here may
have
> on this. JJ
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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> Without my ever asking herI think this is an excellent solution! Probably much better than you trying to make a list of "banned" songs. She is far more likely to know from title or opening bars when to switch than you who would not know until actually hearing the song......unless you too listen to that particular music at other times.
>to, she has always changed the radio >station in the car when a song was
>coming on that she knew would be >offensive to me.
vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: J. Stauffer
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] I can do guns, it's the gore...
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In a message dated 12/4/03 8:51:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:
that love the visceral reaction they have to gore in movies and in video games
-- and that never, ever confuse the fantasy they use for release and
entertainment with their real lives. My husband becomes physically ill when someone is
mistreated in real life -- he is the most gentle, fair, Golden Rule kind of
man I've ever met. If it takes violent video games and RPGs to turn out like
that, let me at 'em! <g>
My son plays video games because it's a bonding time for his papa and him. I
started playing in order to join the bonding, and found out I really like
blasting things on a screen to bits. (I used to shoot real guns, too, when I
dated an avid hunter, and I helped teach hunter safety at the time -- it is
important that kids know how to treat a real gun if they ever come across one.) I
think it's the evolved hunter (as in hunter/gatherer) in all of us -- at one
time, hitting a target was one of the most important life skills that humans
had. It's very satisfying to do this well, whether with a bow and arrow, or a
.22, or in a martial arts setting, or in a video game.
Li-Young Li, a poet who writes truly beautiful stuff, once said that he loved
the old Kung Fu movies and the Jackie Chan movies because of their visceral
feel. He criticized Ang Lee's _Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon_, because he
said that Ang Lee was all about surface beauty -- there was nothing underneath.
There is something about having a safe but real release for violence, anger,
rage, and the satisfying thud of a well-landed punch -- there is something in
us (at least some of us) that needs this.
Peace,
Amy (who works with the Just Peace team at her church, and has been
coordinating non-violence training sessions there for the last many months)
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mamabethuscg@... writes:
> I know that chances are Logan will be attracted to that sort of thing whenI can't tell you how many gentle, wonderful men I know that love war games,
> he is older...it's "in his blood" so to speak as a male. All I can do is try
> to teach him right and wrong, and to be safe around guns and such.
that love the visceral reaction they have to gore in movies and in video games
-- and that never, ever confuse the fantasy they use for release and
entertainment with their real lives. My husband becomes physically ill when someone is
mistreated in real life -- he is the most gentle, fair, Golden Rule kind of
man I've ever met. If it takes violent video games and RPGs to turn out like
that, let me at 'em! <g>
My son plays video games because it's a bonding time for his papa and him. I
started playing in order to join the bonding, and found out I really like
blasting things on a screen to bits. (I used to shoot real guns, too, when I
dated an avid hunter, and I helped teach hunter safety at the time -- it is
important that kids know how to treat a real gun if they ever come across one.) I
think it's the evolved hunter (as in hunter/gatherer) in all of us -- at one
time, hitting a target was one of the most important life skills that humans
had. It's very satisfying to do this well, whether with a bow and arrow, or a
.22, or in a martial arts setting, or in a video game.
Li-Young Li, a poet who writes truly beautiful stuff, once said that he loved
the old Kung Fu movies and the Jackie Chan movies because of their visceral
feel. He criticized Ang Lee's _Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon_, because he
said that Ang Lee was all about surface beauty -- there was nothing underneath.
There is something about having a safe but real release for violence, anger,
rage, and the satisfying thud of a well-landed punch -- there is something in
us (at least some of us) that needs this.
Peace,
Amy (who works with the Just Peace team at her church, and has been
coordinating non-violence training sessions there for the last many months)
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In a message dated 12/4/03 9:56:24 AM, jrossedd@... writes:
<< But it's equally obvious to me that these
differences have been dramatically reduced, just in our lifetimes, and that
the momentum
is toward erasing them. >>
In other people's lifetimes, there was real gore. Meat wasn't handled in
refrigerated back rooms of supermarkets. Babies weren't born at hospitals.
People didn't die hooked up to IVs surrounded by strangers.
<<In the end, I might wind up pretty much
where Sandra seems to be, but for me, there's a lot more to getting to that
place than simply accepting that whatever modern culture can throw at us has
no
power to affect us.>>
In the meantime you might give messages to your son that won't do him any
good and that won't improve his regard for you.
Whatever ANY culture "throws at" people affects them. Yet each person lives
within a culture. This has been true since the beginning of time.
Stepping outside one's culture is also a tradition: monateries and
hermitages. But even those exist within a culture, and the list of what they're
avoiding is more stark in its absence (they base their lives on its lack) than if
it were a casual occasional reality.
<< The unschooling angle on whether graphic entertainment has any
effect
and if so, what kind, fascinates me too >>
I don't think there is an unschooling angle on graphic entertainment not
having any effect. I think I have a standing personal question for anyone who
believes that playing with imaginary guns (not even so real as toy guns, just
moving pictures of guns) will cause a male human to grow up violent, or cause him
any confusion at the end of a long session of video gaming about whether he
might have just caused loss of human life. Or duck life. (That one does have
a toy gun. A big red plastic one. But it doesn't have a toy duck. Just
pixels flying by.)
Sandra
<< But it's equally obvious to me that these
differences have been dramatically reduced, just in our lifetimes, and that
the momentum
is toward erasing them. >>
In other people's lifetimes, there was real gore. Meat wasn't handled in
refrigerated back rooms of supermarkets. Babies weren't born at hospitals.
People didn't die hooked up to IVs surrounded by strangers.
<<In the end, I might wind up pretty much
where Sandra seems to be, but for me, there's a lot more to getting to that
place than simply accepting that whatever modern culture can throw at us has
no
power to affect us.>>
In the meantime you might give messages to your son that won't do him any
good and that won't improve his regard for you.
Whatever ANY culture "throws at" people affects them. Yet each person lives
within a culture. This has been true since the beginning of time.
Stepping outside one's culture is also a tradition: monateries and
hermitages. But even those exist within a culture, and the list of what they're
avoiding is more stark in its absence (they base their lives on its lack) than if
it were a casual occasional reality.
<< The unschooling angle on whether graphic entertainment has any
effect
and if so, what kind, fascinates me too >>
I don't think there is an unschooling angle on graphic entertainment not
having any effect. I think I have a standing personal question for anyone who
believes that playing with imaginary guns (not even so real as toy guns, just
moving pictures of guns) will cause a male human to grow up violent, or cause him
any confusion at the end of a long session of video gaming about whether he
might have just caused loss of human life. Or duck life. (That one does have
a toy gun. A big red plastic one. But it doesn't have a toy duck. Just
pixels flying by.)
Sandra
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In a message dated 12/04/2003 12:41:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jnjstau@... writes:
sounds weird. Almost like a parody of itself --
I was nodding along with the rest of your post, though. :) JJ
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jnjstau@... writes:
> If someone, adult orLOL! Sorry, I know what you meant (I think) but this statement sure
> child, is holed up in their room for days on end playing gory games,
> listening to rape and pillage music......that is just so much different than
> an adult or child who has many interests one of which is gory games or rape
> and pillage music.
>
sounds weird. Almost like a parody of itself --
I was nodding along with the rest of your post, though. :) JJ
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SandraDodd@... writes:
realize this was a standing point. :)
For myself, I don't believe any of the above. I haven't spent much
time thinking about guns OR blood, one way or the other.
My unschooling male human is still little (8 years old) and though he
loves computer video games, so far he hasn't shown interest in guns or blood.
If and when he does, it will interest me. It might even concern me,
depending on how and when it manifests itself. Whether I would actually DO
anything, I'm pretty sure I would THINK about it a lot!
So it does interest me now to hear real stories about older
unschooling male humans with such interests (and their moms) who handle it all just
fine.
JJ
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> I don't think there is an unschooling angle on graphic entertainment notSorry, I'm new here. Took off on what seems to be a tangent and didn't
> having any effect. I think I have a standing personal question for anyone
> who
> believes that playing with imaginary guns (not even so real as toy guns,
> just
> moving pictures of guns) will cause a male human to grow up violent, or
> cause him
> any confusion at the end of a long session of video gaming about whether he
> might have just caused loss of human life. Or duck life. (That one does
> have
> a toy gun. A big red plastic one. But it doesn't have a toy duck. Just
> pixels flying by.)
>
> Sandra
>
realize this was a standing point. :)
For myself, I don't believe any of the above. I haven't spent much
time thinking about guns OR blood, one way or the other.
My unschooling male human is still little (8 years old) and though he
loves computer video games, so far he hasn't shown interest in guns or blood.
If and when he does, it will interest me. It might even concern me,
depending on how and when it manifests itself. Whether I would actually DO
anything, I'm pretty sure I would THINK about it a lot!
So it does interest me now to hear real stories about older
unschooling male humans with such interests (and their moms) who handle it all just
fine.
JJ
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