[email protected]

In a message dated 11/11/2003 12:53:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
If you have any real suggestions, I'd gladly listen.....but asking the kids
to pick up after themselves once or twice a day so people can navigate the
house and so I will have time to help them with activities and projects
doesn't seem like coersion to me....it seems like simple respect.<<<<


It ALL boils down to respect.

The idea of a child----and ESPECIALLY an adult---that would walk by and toss
a candy wrapper on the den floor is absolutely incredible to me!

I have a group of kids that comes here----who are pigs (OK, I don't need to
catch the same kind of crap I caught for my slug comment earlier this year!). I
walked up one day, and they had put tictacs in their mouths, sucked the color
off, and then SPIT them on my floor! TWO canisters of them! I was OUTRAGED.
Sticky candy pieces all over the carpet.

I'm certainly not the queen of clean, but there are limits. That went WAAAY
over my comfort zone of just existing! Who would actually DARE to behave like
that in his own house, much less someone else's????

rant, rant, rant, rant

Anyway. These kids are made to clean up at their own house---whether they
want to or not. So I figure that they see it as, since they have to clean, that
they can mess it up however they want----it doesn't matter. *Maybe* they'll
luck out and mom will clean it. Maybe not, but at least *it doesn't matter*.

It matters to me. Duncan's room is not sparkling, by any means. I get in
there and clean it up every week or so. He helps. Sometimes he does it himself.
But the thing is: He OWNS It. It's not clean because I make him. It's not dirty
because he doesn't care. We both care. That's a HUGE difference.

We own the messes. We own the clean. We help each other. There's no
animosity. There's no requirement. There's no shame. There's just respect---for
ourselves, for each other, for our home.

~Kelly


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Tia Leschke

>
> >If you have any real suggestions, I'd gladly listen.....but asking the kids
> >to pick up after themselves once or twice a day so people can navigate the
> >house and so I will have time to help them with activities and projects
> >doesn't seem like coersion to me....it seems like simple respect.<<<<
>
>
>
>
>We own the messes. We own the clean. We help each other. There's no
>animosity. There's no requirement. There's no shame. There's just
>respect---for
>ourselves, for each other, for our home.

I got the impression that it's also that way at Julie's house. She asks
them to help pick up. She never said that they couldn't say no. They know
that helping means she has more time to do what they want her to do. I
don't see what the problem is.
Tia

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/11/2003 2:40:21 PM Central Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
The idea of a child----and ESPECIALLY an adult---that would walk by and toss
a candy wrapper on the den floor is absolutely incredible to me!
~~~~
It really does make me want to scream right out loud. It's so simple just to
hold it in your hand a little while longer until you can get near a trash
can. Or stick it in your pocket until later or whatever. Just DON'T drop it
casually like no one will notice.

Truth is some people are absentminded about stuff like that, especially
children. My best friend's kids were huge litter bugs, leaving banana peels and
stuff like that around the house all the time. I could understand it out of her
2 yo, but she never managed to raise the consciousness of the other 3 as they
grew. They simply weren't aware that this item would still be there when she
spoke sternly at them to pick it up and pick up the rest of the living room,
too, a couple of hours later. It was a family trait. The kids are much older
now and I haven't been to her house in a long time because she lives far
away, so maybe they are aware, now. Maybe I helped all those years ago by
pointing it out to them on occasion. ;)

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but when grown people throw
stuff out the car window, they get a honk and pointing finger. They do it
because they think no one will notice. I notice.

Tuck


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Robyn Coburn

I'm curious about how you handled the tic tac situation? With the neighbor
who plays with Jayn, I just let her go home and tidy up the toys after, but
it seems a very different vibe to what you experienced.

Robyn L. Coburn



<<I walked up one day, and they had put tictacs in their mouths, sucked the
color
off, and then SPIT them on my floor! TWO canisters of them! I was OUTRAGED.
Sticky candy pieces all over the carpet.

I'm certainly not the queen of clean, but there are limits. That went WAAAY
over my comfort zone of just existing! Who would actually DARE to behave
like
that in his own house, much less someone else's????>>






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[email protected]

>>>>>>>>I'm curious about how you handled the tic tac situation? With the
neighbor
who plays with Jayn, I just let her go home and tidy up the toys after, but
it seems a very different vibe to what you experienced.

Robyn L. Coburn
<color
off, and then SPIT them on my floor! TWO canisters of them! I was OUTRAGED.
Sticky candy pieces all over the carpet.

I'm certainly not the queen of clean, but there are limits. That went WAAAY
over my comfort zone of just existing! Who would actually DARE to behave
like
that in his own house, much less someone else's????>> <<<<<



Well, if you couldn't tell by my rant! <G>---I'm STILL trying to deal with
it! <G>

I cleaned it up after they were gone (cussing the whole time). I've banned
these particular children from having food outside of the kitchen. I put the
candy bowl up when they're here. I "monitor" the bedroom VERY often.

None of the other friends have crossed my "line", so it is a non-issue with
them. It's just these who have lost privileges here. Duncan saw my anger that
day, and he's on board with my restrictions.

It's just incomprehensible to me that anybody could be that inconsiderate. I
don't feel that I can trust them.

~Kelly


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kayb85

I wouldn't ever just drop a candy wrapper on the ground and I don't
think my kids would either, but when you're sitting somewhere doing
something--on the computer, playing a game, watching a show--it's
VERY easy to just set it down and not think about throwing it away
when you get up. VERY hard habit to break!
Sheila


> The idea of a child----and ESPECIALLY an adult---that would walk by
and toss
> a candy wrapper on the den floor is absolutely incredible to me!
> ~~~~
> It really does make me want to scream right out loud. It's so
simple just to
> hold it in your hand a little while longer until you can get near a
trash
> can. Or stick it in your pocket until later or whatever. Just
DON'T drop it
> casually like no one will notice.

Lisa M. Cottrell Bentley

> I wouldn't ever just drop a candy wrapper on the ground and I don't
> think my kids would either, but when you're sitting somewhere doing
> something--on the computer, playing a game, watching a show--it's
> VERY easy to just set it down and not think about throwing it away
> when you get up. VERY hard habit to break!

Maybe mini garbage containers (there are lots of cute ones out there, even
at dollar stores -- some with lids even) right next to the couch (by the
television) and the computer are in order. Then, you can just toss the
wrappers right there and empty the cans when they are full. If I had a
child that habitually left garbage in one certain spot, I'd buy them a
garbage can for right there wherever that there was.

-Lisa in AZ

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/11/2003 9:54:50 PM Central Standard Time,
sheran@... writes:
I wouldn't ever just drop a candy wrapper on the ground and I don't
think my kids would either, but when you're sitting somewhere doing
something--on the computer, playing a game, watching a show--it's
VERY easy to just set it down and not think about throwing it away
when you get up. VERY hard habit to break!
~~~~

Yeah, but we have trash cans near each computer desk, everyone has a trash
can in their bedroom, and all the bathrooms have trash cans, too. Huh. Now
that I think about it, there's a trash can in every room in my house! (It wasn't
that way when I had a bigger house.)

Leaving something on a desk or table is not the same as dropping something on
the floor.

Tuck


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Samantha Stopple

So when do we get to expect the kids will see the importance of throwing
trash in the trash can? And banana peels in the compost or trash? Mine are 5
and almost 8 and they are not consistant with this.

I do ask my kids to do things and rarely do they want to. Yet they will
spontaneously do some things that do help around the house.

When some of you are saying it is just plain rude for someone to drop a
wraper on the floor and not clean it up what age child are you thinking of?
Because I can see as a 5yo or 8yo thinking what is the big deal that a
wrapper is on the floor? I am not troubled by it.

I don't want to punish yet how do I get accross that bubble gum goes IN THE
TRASH CAN not on the floor??? It has been suggested that we accept no as
an answer. Then it is up to us to pick up the wrapper or bubble gum on the
floor. So when will they do this willingly? So when the kids are young are
they being rude or are they just forgetful and unware?

How much do we expect of our kids in relationship to housework /
consideration for others when they are young??

I am really struggling with this right now. Because I see so many things that
get done that don't seem necessary to me that I would like the kids to see that
as well. Like it's okay if you need to dump the clean clothes from the laundry
hamper to find what you want but just put them all back in the hamper when
you are done.

Or last night my son just dropped his coat in the living room and the right after
that took out all of the yarn from the yarn/craft drawer and dropped it on the
floor. I asked him to either hang up the coat or put it on his bed and put the
yarn back in the drawer. He refused at first but I persisted and he finally did it.
I don't belive I was particularly nagging...just persistent with it.

Or like today the kids made a sandwhich and hadn't put away any of the
ingredients. I wanted them to come in and help put them away. And waiting
isn't a good idea because it was perishable foods.

Or they make a spill in the kitchen and rather than tell me about they leave it.
If they would just tell me I would come in and help them clean up.

There was another thread recently about popcorn being all over the floor with
rubberbands and toys etc...so when you have just had enough of the mess we
ask for help and if they don't can we say yes I will help you after I am finished
with this?

I guess another question I am trying to understand is so its okay to go to the
movies before the kitchen is cleaned yet how do we finally say I really want to
get this done before I do anything else? Not the they have to help but if they
do help its more likely the mom will have the energy and time to do what the
kids want to do.

And when the kids are young I find the other issue is not that they won't help
yet they are fighting or bickering with each other then I can't even get done the
cleaning I want to get done. Which I have let slide so I can be available for
them and not focus on a clean house.

So is the answer both?? We go to the movies when the kitchen is dirty and
sometimes we go to the movies the next day because Mom really wants to get
the house picked up?

Samantha

Mary

From: "Samantha Stopple" <sammimag@...>

<<So when do we get to expect the kids will see the importance of throwing
trash in the trash can? And banana peels in the compost or trash? Mine are 5
and almost 8 and they are not consistant with this. >>


My youngest daughter just turned 3 and she understands that when she eats
candy, the paper gets thrown in the garbage can. She understands when she
takes her pull up off, it gets thrown in the garbage can. Last year she left
the papers all over the floor. When she was younger, she saw her brother and
sisters throwing stuff away and although it wasn't important to her yet to
do so, she was watching. And she saw me pick up her stuff and throw it all
away. Sometimes saying where it goes as I was doing it, sometimes not. And
if I was right there with her as she unwrapped something, I would say where
the paper went. Of course she was still throwing it on the floor and I was
picking it up!
Paper wrappers are garbage and she understands garbage and where it goes.
Just as she understands that when she finishes eating something, and there's
some left, to throw it in the garbage and not leave it where ever she was
for me to find days later. She saw the results of ants coming from food
being left out. Every now and then she gets sidetracked but I always ask her
what she did with her banana, cookie bar, etc. and she tells me she threw it
away. She also, most of the time when she's done eating from a plate,
remembers to put the plate on the counter so I can reach it from the kitchen
to wash. They mostly eat in the playroom. Like now I found her almost eaten
bowl of cereal on the counter. I didn't say anything to her. It's just
something the kids do. And if anything is left around, I just go and put it
where it needs to be. They forgot, no big deal.


Mary B.
http://www.homeschoolingtshirts.com

pam sorooshian

On Nov 12, 2003, at 8:06 AM, Samantha Stopple wrote:

> I do ask my kids to do things and rarely do they want to. Yet they
> will
> spontaneously do some things that do help around the house.
>

Don't ask them to do things for you, yet - ask them to do things WITH
you. Sometimes if you get them started they can finish a job on their
own, but don't push it.

-pam

National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.

Tia Leschke

> Don't ask them to do things for you, yet - ask them to do things WITH
> you. Sometimes if you get them started they can finish a job on their
> own, but don't push it.

This is something it took me a long time to get. I wanted *help*, the kind
that someone does while I do something else. Efficiency, you know? But
little kids aren't ready for that. I think I would have gotten a lot more
willing help over the years if I had been asking kids to do something *with*
me.
Tia

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/12/03 9:12:32 AM, sammimag@... writes:

<< When some of you are saying it is just plain rude for someone to drop a

wraper on the floor and not clean it up what age child are you thinking of?
>>

Three.
I didn't say it but I thought it.

My kids learned to say "please" and "thank you" not because we told them to,
but because from before they were born, my husband and I had always said
"please" and "thank you" to each other for everything. A drink of water. Opening
the door. We had been together eight years before Kirby was born, and we had
never failed to say "please and thank you." Friends of ours commented on it.
We thought maybe if THEY did it more they would have better relationships
with friends and lovers.

So our kids did it because we did it.

They put trash in the trash can because when they were toddlers and had extra
energy and wanted to DO things, we would ask them to put trash in trash cans
for us, and they saw us putting their trash in trash cans too, though they
would sometimes get grumpy because we were getting all the fun.

Yesterday Holly and I ate at a mall food court, and I started to take the
trash. Holly grabbed the tray and said she wanted to do it. She's twelve.

If Holly were to drop a wrapper on the floor at our house, I would think she
needed some serious counselling, it would be SO unlike her.

But we didn't "teach" them to, we just modelled it as a part of life.

We have trashcans in every room, always have. Sometimes I go to someone
else's house and they don't even have a trashcan in the bathroom. Mysterious.

Sandra

[email protected]

-=-I guess another question I am trying to understand is so its okay to go to
the

movies before the kitchen is cleaned yet how do we finally say I really want
to

get this done before I do anything else? -=-

It's not a matter of whether it's okay with us, or okay with you.
I think what people are trying to share is ways in which they've moved
successfully away from the traditional ways of thinking about chores and housework.
If it works for me, I'm going to tell people what I did to get it to work.
And it took years. It took my kids' whole lives to get from birth to now. So
whether it's "okay" to go to the movies with dishes in the sink is way too
particular a question to ask. It's not about dishes, it's about belief and
attitude and relationships between parents and children.

<< Or like today the kids made a sandwhich and hadn't put away any of the

ingredients. I wanted them to come in and help put them away. And waiting

isn't a good idea because it was perishable foods. >>

If my kids are making their own food, I'm willing to clean up after it if I'm
there, because it's easier than ME making them food (after which I'd have to
clean up after myself).

<< Like it's okay if you need to dump the clean clothes from the laundry

hamper to find what you want but just put them all back in the hamper when

you are done.>>

Dumped where? If they're clean can't you just put them away? If they were
put away the kid wouldn't have to be digging for clean clothes. If ours dump
clean laundry to look,they dump it on the couch. It can stay until it's
folded, or I put it into the laundry basket myself, because I don't want to sort and
fold it yet.

<<I don't want to punish yet how do I get accross that bubble gum goes IN
THE

TRASH CAN not on the floor??? >>

Would punishing help?
We've always wrapped gum in paper before putting it in the trash so the gum
doesn't stick to the inside of the trashcan. But my kids don't chew much gum
either. It's rare. They'll throw it away in its own wrapper if they still
have that in their pocket, or in a piece of paper that's already in the trash, or
a piece of toilet paper.

<<Or they make a spill in the kitchen and rather than tell me about they
leave it.

If they would just tell me I would come in and help them clean up. >>

If I find stuff on the floor and I don't know who did it, I yell "WHO SPILLED
THIS WATER?" or something, and while I'm getting stuff to clean it up, a kid
or two will show up, and know or not know, and if it's the one who spilled it
(or not), and I'll be saying it's dangerous, and if it's something like milk
it's important for them to know it would STINK. But honestly, it's been years
and years since I found a sticky-spill. We have a box of rags under the sink
so it's easy for someone to get a rag.

Because we don't MAKE them clean up their own messes in a punitive way,
they're willing to help other people clean up messes they make. So we have
responsibility and generosity, rather than the kind of individualized ownership of
chores or messes.



Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/12/03 12:20:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mummy124@... writes:

> My youngest daughter just turned 3 and she understands that when she eats
> candy, the paper gets thrown in the garbage can.

My boys were leaving paper around their computer chairs. They would not want
to leave the game to throw it away so I bought another trash can and put it
right between their computer desks. Now it all goes in the trash. They
weren't doing it to be mean or disrespectful. They were just having too much fun.
I also wanted to make it a win win situation. There is usually a compromise
somewhere so that everyone can be happy.
Pam G


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pam sorooshian

Tomorrow morning (Thursday the13th) The topic for discussion on NPR's
national call-in radio show Talk of the Nation will be homeschooling.

Check for local stations and times! Remember, this is a live show that
takes
call-ins and emails, hope to hear some of you on there!

-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.

Danielle E. Conger

>Tomorrow morning (Thursday the13th) The topic for discussion on NPR's
>national call-in radio show Talk of the Nation will be homeschooling.
Hmmmmm.... My local is not broadcasting this, but something else. Checked
Morning Edition and All Things Considered as well, but nothing about hsing.
Would think this would be standard across different stations because the
show itself is syndicated (or whatever the appropriate terminology for this
would be).

--danielle


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[email protected]

Does anyone know which program it is on I am having a hard time finding it.

Heidi


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kayb85

Okay, here's a question. You set the good example since they were
very little. For those of us who haven't set a good example--who
leave a plate on the computer desk until they finally decide they
should clean it up two days later, who let their coats and shoes drop
wherever they take them off, etc.--is it too late for us to set an
example and have an impact on our kids? If I really make a conscious
effort to set a good example about that kind of stuff, how long could
I expect it to take for my kids to start picking up on it and
following my lead?

Sheila


> << When some of you are saying it is just plain rude for someone to
drop a
>
> wraper on the floor and not clean it up what age child are you
thinking of?
> >>
>
> Three.
> I didn't say it but I thought it.
>
> My kids learned to say "please" and "thank you" not because we told
them to,
> but because from before they were born, my husband and I had always
said
> "please" and "thank you" to each other for everything. A drink of
water. Opening
> the door. We had been together eight years before Kirby was born,
and we had
> never failed to say "please and thank you." Friends of ours
commented on it.
> We thought maybe if THEY did it more they would have better
relationships
> with friends and lovers.
>
> So our kids did it because we did it.
>
> They put trash in the trash can because when they were toddlers and
had extra
> energy and wanted to DO things, we would ask them to put trash in
trash cans
> for us, and they saw us putting their trash in trash cans too,
though they
> would sometimes get grumpy because we were getting all the fun.
>
> Yesterday Holly and I ate at a mall food court, and I started to
take the
> trash. Holly grabbed the tray and said she wanted to do it. She's
twelve.
>
> If Holly were to drop a wrapper on the floor at our house, I would
think she
> needed some serious counselling, it would be SO unlike her.
>
> But we didn't "teach" them to, we just modelled it as a part of
life.
>
> We have trashcans in every room, always have. Sometimes I go to
someone
> else's house and they don't even have a trashcan in the bathroom.
Mysterious.
>
> Sandra

kayb85

> If I find stuff on the floor and I don't know who did it, I
yell "WHO SPILLED
> THIS WATER?" or something, and while I'm getting stuff to clean it
up, a kid
> or two will show up, and know or not know, and if it's the one who
spilled it
> (or not), and I'll be saying it's dangerous, and if it's something
like milk
> it's important for them to know it would STINK.

Does that make them feel guilty and shamed?

Sheila

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/12/2003 10:37:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
sheran@... writes:

-=-Does that make them feel guilty and shamed? -=-

Not that I know of.

I don't say 'which idiot did this' or
'I'm ashamed of you,"

it's discussion of who did it, come help, that's dangerous, and it ends with
"thanks" and probably some subject-changing chit-chat.

If my husband says "Who left the garage door open?" and if it was me, I might
feel guilty (if I was guilty, that's okay) but not shamed.

Sandra


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Robyn Coburn

I don't want to punish yet how do I get accross that bubble gum goes IN THE

<<TRASH CAN not on the floor??? It has been suggested that we accept no
as
an answer. Then it is up to us to pick up the wrapper or bubble gum on the
floor. So when will they do this willingly? So when the kids are young are

they being rude or are they just forgetful and unware?>>



Jayn is 4, she sometimes drops wrappers, and certainly makes a very big mess
when doing paper cut out projects - her current passion. I do 95 % of the
picking up. However there have been some occasions when she has refused to
pick up something small and yucky - like a piece of hot dog and ketchup that
then starts to soak into the carpet. I pick it up, and tell her that it
really bothers me because it makes a stain, could attract ants etc. I
usually then ask her if she will help with the clean up. Since this usually
involves water she is much more willing. The big leap we seem to have made
around here recently, is that Jayn will tell me at once if there has been a
spill or wet mess made. "Are you happy I told you?" she asks with immense
pride in herself. She has never been punished for making a spill, although
there are times when she has persisted in some experimental activity, like
pouring out a glass of juice, despite being asked not to. I get irritated,
but the greatest punishment she could envisage would be not being allowed to
help clean it up. I'm really looking forward to having floors without
carpeting at out next home.

Robyn L. Coburn






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pam sorooshian

On Nov 12, 2003, at 6:09 PM, hmsclmyboy@... wrote:

> Does anyone know which program it is on I am having a hard time
> finding it.
>
Supposed to be Talk of the Nation - but the website doesn't show it as
that topic. I copied that post from another list from someone who is
normally very very reliable, and that's all I know.

-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/12/03 10:34:57 PM, sheran@... writes:

<< For those of us who haven't set a good example--who

leave a plate on the computer desk until they finally decide they

should clean it up two days later, who let their coats and shoes drop

wherever they take them off, etc.--is it too late for us to set an

example and have an impact on our kids? >>

I don't think so. Families turn it around all the time.

There are families here who used to press school, and then had a period of
being strict school-at-homers (doh!) and who used to ground kids and spank them
and whatever all, and now they don't.

Putting plates in the sink is nothing compared to all that. When we've
changed a behavior here, what seems to have worked best is just talking. "I
don't want it to be the way it has been. What can we do to change it? Please
remind me if I forget. Thanks." Those kinds of messages, in various
combinations. And then when it's going better, I tried to acknowledge it with "I'm so
glad we started doing [whatever]," and "Thanks! That's really cool."

The older my kids get the better they are at picking up just anyone's dirty
dishes if they're on the way to the kitchen, and they're past the urge to say
"Whose is this?" because they get personal satisfaction and a "thanks" from
someone sometimes, no matter whose stuff they're taking.

When I was a kid I wouldn't have taken someone's stuff without reporting it
to my mom as "I brought mine AND Nada's" or whatever, because my mom was so
lacking in generosity of spirit herself, so we had our demarcations of whose was
whose stuff, responsibility, time, rights, and we guarded our meager
territories jealously. The tone was set for us, and we just staked our allowed claims
within that scenario. Generosity was a weakness, or seen as sucking up or
"what do you want?"

Harshness and inflexibility and cynicism are things I strive to avoid, and
talking about what in general helps prevent them seems, to me, a good kind of
commentary. It doesn't mean mentioning it is an accusation. It's a general
commentary, a little warning-beacon, an orange barrel by a pothole.

Sandra

Elizabeth Roberts

This is what came up on the NPR "Talk of the Nation" page this morning, Nov. 13.
Not homeschooling.


Thursday, November 13, 2003
Paul Bremer, the top U.S. administrator in Iraq, spent Wednesday meeting with President Bush. Meanwhile, U.S. forces stepped up efforts against insurgents in Baghdad. We'll look at the latest developments in Iraq.

Confucius, St. Augustine, Galileo and Thomas Jefferson are just a few of the innovators who have left their mark on history by challenging conventional wisdom. Jennifer Michael Hecht's new book, Doubt: A History, traces the force of doubt in human history. We'll talk with Hecht.

pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:

Tomorrow morning (Thursday the13th) The topic for discussion on NPR's
national call-in radio show Talk of the Nation will be homeschooling.

Check for local stations and times! Remember, this is a live show that
takes
call-ins and emails, hope to hear some of you on there!

-pam
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Lillian Haas

It might be a last-minute substitution. I heard a promo on my local station
this morning, and they mentioned homeschooling.

Lillian

> This is what came up on the NPR "Talk of the Nation" page this morning,
Nov. 13.
> Not homeschooling.
>

Melanie Freisinger deGonzalez

trying to find this in the Chicago area....tried WBEZ but could not find it....anyone have any more info??/
maybe I already missed it :(
thanks
melanie

pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:

Tomorrow morning (Thursday the13th) The topic for discussion on NPR's
national call-in radio show Talk of the Nation will be homeschooling.

Check for local stations and times! Remember, this is a live show that
takes
call-ins and emails, hope to hear some of you on there!

-pam
National Home Education Network

Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.



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[email protected]

In a message dated 11/13/2003 9:31:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mamabethuscg@... writes:


> Confucius, St. Augustine, Galileo and Thomas Jefferson are just a few of
> the innovators who have left their mark on history by challenging conventional
> wisdom. Jennifer Michael Hecht's new book, Doubt: A History, traces the force
> of doubt in human history. We'll talk with Hecht.
>
>

Well, this sounds pretty cool! Maybe more meaningful than hs politics
anyway-- JJ


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Betsy

**It might be a last-minute substitution. I heard a promo on my local
station
this morning, and they mentioned homeschooling.**

I just half heard a similar promo that mentioned "homeschooling" and
said something like "topics coming up on Talk of the Nation today".

I didn't here clearly whether it will be in the first hour (11am on my
station) or the second hour. But they do seem to intend to cover it today.

It still isn't showing up as the scheduled topic when I look at the
NPR/TOTN website.

Betsy

Deborah Lewis

***trying to find this in the Chicago area....tried WBEZ but could not
find it....anyone have any more info??/
maybe I already missed it :(***

If you did miss it, you can listen to it later at www.npr.org. You'll
have missed the opportunity to participate, but you can still hear the
program.
That's how I have to do it. I can't get an npr station here and I seem
to have missed it on-line.

Deb L