Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Digest Number 4164
J. Stauffer
<<Isn't the DaVinci Code a work of fiction?>>
Yes it is, as I posted when I brought it up. But it does have some basis in
fact. Just like M*A*S*H was fiction but there really were Mash units, there
really was a Korean War and there really were American Soldiers there.
Julie S.
Yes it is, as I posted when I brought it up. But it does have some basis in
fact. Just like M*A*S*H was fiction but there really were Mash units, there
really was a Korean War and there really were American Soldiers there.
Julie S.
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Topics in this digest:
1. Re: tracts
From: "Julie" <jlist@...>
2. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: "Stepheny Cappel" <stephc62@...>
3. Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: SandraDodd@...
4. Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: Dnowens@...
5. Re: Re: tracts
From: Dnowens@...
6. Re: tracts
From: Dnowens@...
7. Subject: Cartoon Book Recommendation
From: "Bronwen" <felesina@...>
8. Re: Re: tracts
From: Genant2@...
9. Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: Scott Bieser <sbieser@...>
10. Re: The DaVinci Code
From: Elizabeth Roberts <mamabethuscg@...>
11. Re: tracts
From: TeresaBnNC@...
12. Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: "Pam Hartley" <pamhartley@...>
13. Re: Digest Number 4163
From: "J. Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
14. Re: Digest Number 4163
From: "J. Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
15. Re: The DaVinci Code
From: "Joanna Wilkinson" <Wilkinson6@...>
16. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
17. Re: Re: tracts
From: CelticFrau@...
18. Re: Digest Number 4163
From: SandraDodd@...
19. kids chat
From: "Jon and Rue Kream" <skreams@...>
20. Re: taking the plunge
From: pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
21. math manipulatives
From: "LeaAnn" <rootdigger@...>
22. Re: Re: tracts
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
23. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
24. Re: Re: tracts
From: tuckervill2@...
25. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:31:32 -0500
From: "Julie" <jlist@...>
Subject: Re: tracts
Can I just say what a beautiful gift the link to the Chick tract site was?
My sister is a devout unbeliever and collector of religious memorabilia, and
we both truly enjoyed the horrendous tales of woe and redemption.
If you liked the Chick tracts, you might just love these links to sites
about the Precious Moments Chapel:
http://www.savvytraveler.org/show/features/2000/20000804/badtaste.shtml
http://www.bringdown.com/issue3/precious/precious.html
The second is not for the faint of heart. Enjoy!
Julie
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:08:58 -0500
From: "Stepheny Cappel" <stephc62@...>
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
of course this is correct. They are eating the candy like crazy. But I
plan on buying more to refill the candy bowl, and keep doing it. I know
they are hoarding it because they think it will soon be gone. Same things
happen with popsicles, cake, brownies, cookies, everything. LOL I may go
broke doing this! Stepheny
In a message dated 11/5/03 11:23:06 AM, pennacres@... writes:
<< I have a feeling that if people try the "full candy bowl" as an
"experiment " and the kids pick up on the idea that this is just a
temporary thing- the
-"eat it now or it will be gone again" process might kick in and no one
will
have any idea if it is possible for their family -not the parents and
certainly not the kids. >>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:15:51 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
In a message dated 11/5/2003 5:27:03 PM Mountain Standard Time,
moonwindstarsky@... writes:
how do they go to college, or get a job?
----------------------
They do what they like and get out into the community and volunteer and
eventually are offered or get a lead on a job.
They apply for some beginnig kind of college class at a junior college or
community college and see if they like it, sometimes. After they take a few
classes, they can say "some college" on applications, and if they did okay
on those
clases, they can use that when they apply to college full time.
Sandra
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:43:37 EST
From: Dnowens@...
Subject: Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
In a message dated 11/5/03 06:27:16 PM Central Standard Time,
moonwindstarsky@... writes:
how do they go to college, or get a job?
*************
How does anyone go to college or get a job? Not saying college is or isn't
important, but many many people never went or dropped out. And lots of folks
have jobs. My DH has one, there are a few others here who either have
spouses
that work or they work themselves. Some of the kids have jobs too. Moly has
a
small lawn mowing business; complete with fliers, cards, bills, and
receipts, she
is almost ten. She doesn't go to school or college.
~Nancy
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:47:13 EST
From: Dnowens@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/03 07:27:44 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Jesus has twelve apostles and a dozen donuts. How many donuts can each
apostle have?
Sandra
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I'm sorry but there isn't enough information for me to compute this problem.
Does Jesus have exactly one dozen donuts or does Jesus have a bakers dozen?
It
makes a difference, really. <g>
~Nancy
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:56:11 EST
From: Dnowens@...
Subject: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/03 08:12:16 PM Central Standard Time,
jlist@... writes:
If you liked the Chick tracts, you might just love these links to sites
about the Precious Moments Chapel:
http://www.savvytraveler.org/show/features/2000/20000804/badtaste.shtml
http://www.bringdown.com/issue3/precious/precious.html
The second is not for the faint of heart. Enjoy!
Julie
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
A friend was married there. Kinda scary, all those precious eyes. At least
Christ wasn't portrayed as a Precious Moment! <g>
~Nancy
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:25:11 -0800
From: "Bronwen" <felesina@...>
Subject: Subject: Cartoon Book Recommendation
>>We recently checked a book out of the library called Little Lit that my
son
is loving!
THAnKS!- I just ordered it! I think we will love it!
Bronwen
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:31:10 EST
From: Genant2@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/03 3:23:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, leschke@...
writes:
> Might as
> well put apartments on top, and we can all just live there. Ugh!
>
I saw a segment on some TV show about this. There is a mall, somewhere...I
can't remember, that had apartments on top. LOL. I thought this was funny
but
the people that lived there had there own valid points why it worked for
them. It was a funny concept to think about though.
Pam G
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:17:59 -0800
From: Scott Bieser <sbieser@...>
Subject: Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
At 06:43 PM 11/5/2003, Dnowens@... wrote:
>In a message dated 11/5/03 06:27:16 PM Central Standard Time,
>moonwindstarsky@... writes:
>how do they go to college, or get a job?
>*************
>How does anyone go to college or get a job? Not saying college is or isn't
>important, but many many people never went or dropped out. And lots of
folks
>have jobs. My DH has one, there are a few others here who either have
spouses
>that work or they work themselves. Some of the kids have jobs too. Moly has
a
>small lawn mowing business; complete with fliers, cards, bills, and
>receipts, she
>is almost ten. She doesn't go to school or college.
I have noticed that home-schoolers tend to be more entrepreneurial,
generally, than the general population. Their children will, I think, tend
to be even more oriented towards creating their own businesses than
"getting a job."
But the job market -- and for the most part college as well -- is just as
accessible to home-schooled youngsters as the government-schooled. Nearly
every state offers a "general education degree" type certificate one
obtains by passing written exams, which functions as the equivalent of a
high-school diploma. And increasingly, both employers and colleges are
looking at a lot of things _besides_ a high-school sheepskin to gauge
applicants, as said sheepskins have plummeted in value.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:27:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Elizabeth Roberts <mamabethuscg@...>
Subject: Re: The DaVinci Code
Isn't The DaVinci Code a work of fiction?
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:31:45 EST
From: TeresaBnNC@...
Subject: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/03 9:13:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jlist@... writes:
Can I just say what a beautiful gift the link to the Chick tract site was?
>>>
Glad to help any way I can.. LOL
Teresa
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:17:55 -0000
From: "Pam Hartley" <pamhartley@...>
Subject: Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
--- In [email protected],
"moonwindstarsky" <moonwindstarsky@y...> wrote:
> how do they go to college, or get a job?
Like everyone else does -- an application process, or a testing
process, or an interview, or all of the above...
Some don't go to college (just like schooled people) and some
make their own jobs (just like schooled people).
Pam
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:18:40 -0600
From: "J. Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4163
<<I wouldn't rely on the DaVinci Code for historical data>>
Nor would I. I stated that it was fiction and a good starting point if one
is interested in researching this kind of thing. I was raised Christian and
had never even considered some of the things the book brought up, so I
researched them on the internet.
Actually, there are quite a few historians who do believe that the Christian
festivals are based on the Pagan festivals, not just the DaVinci author. In
fact, I watched a documentary on Christianity on the Discovery chanel not
too long ago, within the last year, that went into it in depth. I believe
that it is fairly widely believed that Constantine usurped the Pagan
holidays with the Christian overlay when he decided everyone needed to be
Christian. Of course, I believe that he was Pagan until his deathbed, but
he used Christianity as a ruse to cement his power.
Probably one of those things with competing theories.
Julie S.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:20:11 -0600
From: "J. Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4163
<<The author claims that early Christians did not consider the Lord to be
God>>
It is my understanding from my Bible school days that Jesus wasn't
considered God by all. The council of Nicea voted on it. Is that not
correct?
Julie S.
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: HMSL2@...
2. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: SandraDodd@...
3. Re: Amy /taking the plunge
From: SandraDodd@...
4. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: Dnowens@...
5. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: SandraDodd@...
6. Halloween
From: Halo5964@...
7. Re: on candy and other limits
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
8. Re: Digest Number 4161
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
9. Re: tracts
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
10. Re: on candy and other limits
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
11. RE: movies
From: "cmkerin" <cmkerin@...>
12. Re: tracts
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
13. how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: "moonwindstarsky" <moonwindstarsky@...>
14. homeschooled kids--call for writings
From: SandraDodd@...
15. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: CelticFrau@...
16. Re: math article
From: SandraDodd@...
17. Re: Re: tracts
From: SandraDodd@...
18. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: SandraDodd@...
19. Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Learning Co-ops
From: "Penne & Buddies" <crrbuddy@...>
20. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: SandraDodd@...
21. Re: taking the plunge
From: SandraDodd@...
22. Re: taking the plunge
From: Scott Bieser <sbieser@...>
23. Re: Halloween
From: SandraDodd@...
24. Re: Re: Digest Number 4161
From: SandraDodd@...
25. Re: Re: tracts
From: SandraDodd@...
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:26:41 EST
From: HMSL2@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
Lets remember its not just candy. Candy is only part of it.
I know when I was little my step father would freak over the use of A-1
sauce
on his expensive steak or the amount of ketchup used.
In our home my sons big thing was soda. Why? Cuz my husband used to nag him
about how fast he drank it and tell him that when it was gone that was it.
It
wasn't the last time I bought it but my son drank it like it was.
Over several months I pointed out to my husband that he uses a lot creamer,
Pepsi and requires special peanut butter and only Jam plus others. I told
him
that it was fine with me but that it wasn't right if the rest of us use
generic
or are not allowed to purchase special stuff at all. I told him that our son
is home and not limited on the soda amounts. That when he (my husband) was
home on the weekends he often drank a 2 liter a day and that when he is at
work
his breaks are limited so that was the difference.
We now buy 2-2 liters a week for Dustin rather than 1 and as I sit here they
are both unopened and purchased last Thursday.
Laura
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:35:56 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/5/03 11:23:06 AM, pennacres@... writes:
<< I have a feeling that if people try the "full candy bowl" as an
"experiment " and the kids pick up on the idea that this is just a temporary
thing- the
-"eat it now or it will be gone again" process might kick in and no one will
have any idea if it is possible for their family -not the parents and
certainly not the kids. >>
I think that's true of unschooling and of video game playing and such too.
If the attitude of the parent is bristly suspicious hostility and an honest
HOPE that their "experiment" fails so that they can be proven "right," it
won't
work.
Kids who are told "We'll try unschooling for a month or two to see how it
works" will have parents who say "We used to unschool, and my kids never
showed
any burning interest, never started any big projects, and didn't do any
academic work."
A temporary offer of freedom in a life of limits won't be handled calmly and
maturely. It's smarter to treat it with the wild abandon it requires, if
that
door is closing soon.
Sandra
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:54:44 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Amy /taking the plunge
In a message dated 11/5/03 8:25:28 AM, jcurtielectric@... writes:
<< I still tell the school oh yeah he is reading and doing math
just to shut them up - >>
Why are you dealing with a school?
I'd try to get away from that if you can.
Sandra
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:53:50 EST
From: Dnowens@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/5/03 01:21:31 PM Central Standard Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
I also thought about something else. What if you get say, M&M's and
everyone
goes nuts for them, then some hard candy, and it sits for a long time, but
you
get something else good again and everyone devours it again? Would it be
best to get lots of different kinds?
BTW, I went to WAlmart to get leftover Halloween candy and it was ALL
GONE!!!
I'll pick some up at the bulk grocery store instead.
Nancy B. in WV
############
Lets think of this in an economical way. IF you only get candy that no one
likes and it sits there, then what a waste of money, but the experiment
worked.
Right? IF you get candy that everyone likes and they eat it all up, which
they
will, at least for a few days or weeks, then the experiment failed. Right?
Oh
wait! That is only two doors! I choose the third, get candy everyone likes,
they eat it all right off, you keep the bowl filled, they start to realize
their favorite(s) will always be available, gradually the bowl stays full
most of
the time and the experiment works. <g>
~Nancy
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:06:02 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/4/03 9:09:26 PM, pamhartley@... writes:
<<
"If I have candy, I will eat it all at one sitting" is one of those lies
we tell ourselves, and I think goes along the same lines of "he
would watch TV all day if I let him. It's genetics." >>
I have a collection:
http://sandradodd.com/strew/ifilet
It's people's primary defense against freedom and the idea of "strewing."
*But if I let him [whatever] he will [whatever] all day and never stop.*
I'm now collecting actual quotes. I wish I had saved all I ever saw. It's a
phenomenon.
Sandra
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:21:30 EST
From: Halo5964@...
Subject: Halloween
If Hallowe'en is evil, then Christians shouldn't have anything to do
with it at all. No dressing up; no begging for candy; no handing out
candy (or anything else) If it isn't, then why make up some
big "baptized" version of it? sheesh.
I agree; if Christians are going to define Halloween as evil, they shouldn't
have anything to do with it at all. Doing so "compromises" your belief
system, in my opinion. However, so many Christians believe so many
different
things, such as total immersion baptism or sprinkling of water - what about
babies
being baptized? There's a hot topic with Christians. Oh, here' s a really
hot
topic-once saved always saved??? I think God looks at our hearts and the
intent we have when we commit an act. The Bible is too conflicting in its'
statements. You can support each idea by searching through Scriptures and
taking
them out of context-sometimes even in context. I personally don't look at
Halloween as evil. To my family, it is just a fun time to dress up and go
trick-or-treating. And I even let my kids be whatever they want to be,
whether it is
a witch, a demon, a ghost-whatever. For this reason, we don't go to church
fall festivals. If you want to welcome people I don't believe you can put
stipulations on the welcome mat. At least not at church. In my own home,
I'll
decide what parameters I want. As I write that it sounds like a double
standard, but I reason it with "but I'm not God. I'm not all forgiving and
all loving
and all accepting. I'm not willing to die on the cross for the entire
world." Does that make sense, or am I making excuses?
Carol
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:40:53 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: on candy and other limits
Yeah! I have a couple of yogurt recipes/techniques that I want to try
out. I'm researching tightwaddery/simplicity in all areas of life,
and am pretty excited about it all.
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], ejcrewe@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/4/2003 8:01:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
>
>
> > I've seen this with things like yogurt. I buy it once in awhile,
and
> > when I do, it's one or two per person in the family, adn the
stuff
> > simply disappears. It's gone within 24 hours.
>
> If the budget it tight, yogurt is really easy to make and costs
pennies!
> Plus, when you add your own sweeteners, you really know what's
going in it.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:04:21 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4161
I wouldn't rely on The DaVinci Code for historical data. He cites The
Gnostic Gospels with as much veracity as valid historical documents,
when the earliest copies of the Gnostic Gospels are dated in the 4th
century or later. The author claims that early Christians didn't
consider the Lord to be God, when early Christians most certainly DID
consider Him to be just that. I enjoyed reading The DaVinci Code, but
it isn't an historical treatise by anyone's measure, and it really
isn't all that well written.
As for all these Christian holidays coming out of Paganism...
actually, I have read a book that refutes this notion. (and can't
remember the title. It is a scholarly, historian thing. Like, a PhD
thesis or something. 500 pages + ) The Reformers wanted Christians to
make a clean break from R Catholicism; therefore, they stigmatized
various Catholic practices by saying they came from paganism.
According to this essay, archaeological data indicates that many of
these traditions didn't come into practice until after Christianity
got into an area. I'll try and remember specifics. The Yule Log was
one of the "pagan practices" debunked in the book. sheesh. can't
remember, but Christian feast days coming from paganism or not, isn't
my main point.
IF Christian traditions come from paganism, my question just takes on
more weight. Why is Halloween evil (and it IS considered evil by many
Christians. Take my word on that one. One of my best friends won't do
trick or treating, and another one completely ignores the day...) Why
is All Hallow's Eve considered evil, and to be shunned, when
Christmas and Easter are embraced? IF they come from pagan practices,
we should shun all of it. And in fact, the Reformers and their
followers DID. Christmas was illegal in Puritan America. The
book "Robinson Crusoe" was written by the Puritan Daniel Defoe. He
makes a point of ignoring Dec. 25. by having the main character mark
off days on his calendar and pointedly having Dec. 25 be just another
day, nothing special.
The Puritans tried to rename the days of the week, even. Sunday being
named after the Sun, Monday after the Moon, and so forth. Can't have
THAT.
If Hallowe'en is evil, having come from paganism, then we must follow
through on our logic and ban other Christian high holy days. But
today's Christians don't follow through. They just consider
Hallowe'en evil, but only certain parts of it, like trick or
treating. They allow the dressing up and the candy, but ban the trick
or treating...or, just put it in the church basement or parking lot.
And they never think twice about Christmas and Easter or the origin
of any other tradition.
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], "J. Stauffer"
<jnjstau@g...> wrote:
> <<then why make up some big baptized version of it at all?>>
>
> Because thats how all Christian holidays came into being.
Christmas is
> Yule, when the Pagans celebrate the coming of the Sun God, born out
of the
> Mother who was impregnated by the Horned God. Easter is the Pagan
festival
> of fertility, hence all the eggs. All Saints Day or All Hallow's
Day or Day
> of the Dead (depending on your particular flavor of Christianity)
is the
> Pagan Samhain that celebrates the lowering of the veil between this
world
> and the spirit world.
>
> A fictional book that talks about some of this kind of stuff, using
lots of
> actual facts is "The Davinci Code". Good read and will give people
a place
> to start researching if this kind of thing actually interests them.
>
> Julie S.---born again Pagan
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:12:28 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: tracts
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/5/03 7:26:21 AM, bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
>
> << You see, Hallowe'en is an EVIL holiday. Pagan in origin, and
>
> celebratory of death >>
>
> Only that's not true.
> It's Christian in origin, only it's Catholic in origin, and so it
isn't
> "CHRISTIAN" in origin, but then very little is, by the narrowest
definition, except
> for the strident fictional history they live by.
Right! Most of the Christian traditions are CHRISTIAN in origin.
That's what the treatise that I mention elsewhere was about. Fact is,
Catholicism was outright rejected, therefore all the feast days had
to be rejected, too...Christmas, Easter, Halloween, All Saint's Day,
all of them...are celebrations of the Lord's life or the Church's
life and not pagan at all.
I'm sorry to hear about the banning of the word Medieval! and
laughing my head off...sad and funny at the same time. What idiots.
I'm sorry that there are such idiots representing Christianity out in
the world.
HeidiC
>
> Harvest festivals are just about universal, anthropologically
speaking.
> Christians harvested in agrarian societies as much as anyone else.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:14:48 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: on candy and other limits
cool...like, really cool...popsicles...coool, gettit? LOL
actually, who was it said using a word like experiment might throw it
all off...maybe just put out the candy bowl and let it sit there,
every day, always replenished, and always give permission if they
ask, and never say no if they don't ask, and don't make a big deal of
it. That's the ticket!
HeidiC
--- In [email protected], HaHaMommy@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11-4-2003 8:23:44 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
> okay, pam. The challenge is on! I'll pick up a sack of candy
tomorrow
> and set it out...in a bowl...and keep it filled...won't we JUST see.
>
> :)
>
> HeidiC
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Just so ya know, Heidi, I'm in on the experiment too <g> I came
home from the
> grocery store last night and the kids ate 22 of the 24 popsicles I
bought...
> I got the feeling it's because I only buy them at the *big*
shopping trip at
> the beginning of the month. I'm going today to pick up the other
things I
> forgot and I'm going to buy a couple more boxes... <bg>
>
> diana,
> The wackiest widow westriver...
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre
minds. The
> latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly
submit to
> hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
intelligence." ~ Albert
> Einstein
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:33:34 -0500
From: "cmkerin" <cmkerin@...>
Subject: RE: movies
Hi Amy,
Unfaithful was originally a French movie and I've been told that the ending
was much more conclusive.
The beauty of the American version is that we can pretty much decide what we
think they did and debate over it. <g>
I'm not sure that's why the American film makers did that but who knows.
;o)
HTH,
Joyce
ps. I didn't put the French version ending here because maybe some people
don't want to not know.
It'll be much easier to find info. on the movie imo knowing that it's
supposedly a classic French movie originally.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:17:47 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: tracts
why make up some
> big "baptized" version of it? sheesh.
> Made me think of Christianized Math books. "If Mary had 2 Bibles,
and Mark
> gave her 6 more, how many would she have in all?"
>
> Nancy B. in WV
>
>
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did you ever see Christian Mother Goose? oh, gross. I mean, nauseous.
Absolutely disgusting.
Especially considering that Mother Goose came about in a Christian
Culture...most of the old Mother Goose rhymes, and many of the fairy
tales, are saturated in Christian morals and themes.
Blessings, HeidiC
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 00:02:13 -0000
From: "moonwindstarsky" <moonwindstarsky@...>
Subject: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
how do they go to college, or get a job?
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:25:17 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: homeschooled kids--call for writings
If this announcement is appropriate for your unschooling site, do you have
an
email loop and/or message board that this announcement could be sent to? I’
d
like to give as many homeschoolers as possible a chance to submit their
writing/artwork for publication. I homeschooled our two boys and now live
on the
coast of New Jersey with my husband in an empty nest! I have had an idea for
a
book for years and am finally pulling it all together! The book will be a
beautiful one; I have found nothing similar in my search of books already
published. It will show everyone just how incredibly creative and talented
our
homeschoolers are. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks
very
much. Kate Jennings
Announcement –
My name is Kate Jennings, and I homeschooled our two sons for eight years,
not counting the years from birth to age six! I am compiling
writings
by homeschoolers that will show the world just how talented we are! I am
accepting (very) short stories, essays/paragraphs (creative or instructive),
diary
entries, poems, letters to and from family or friends, etc. Photos and
drawings that tie in with the writing would be great -- really, really
great. The
book will be a showcase of the talents that homeschooled students possess.
Anything written by students would be appropriate, whether it is
descriptive,
instructive or creative. Please keep in mind my plea for accompanying
artwork
-- photos or sketches that relate to the written submission. The
presentation
of the writing in the book is very, very important to me, and accompanying
artwork is very important to the presentation! One of my favorite
submissions
is from a boy whose family built their own home. A photo and a sketch were
included in the submission. This entry will be most effective! Please
email me
at kjennings03@...
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:03:43 EST
From: CelticFrau@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/5/2003 4:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
Yeah! I have a couple of yogurt recipes/techniques that I want to try
out. I'm researching tightwaddery/simplicity in all areas of life,
and am pretty excited about it all.
blessings, HeidiC
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I'd love to know how to make yogurt. We all love it here too!
Nancy B. in WV
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:15:41 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: math article
In a message dated 11/5/2003 3:50:58 AM Mountain Standard Time,
devapriya108@... writes:
-=-Can you explain the 2 things below
and where to get them? I am not familiar with them.
> - two or more matching geoboards and colored rubber bands (you could
> get just
> one, but then you can't copy each other's designs)
> - Cuisenaire rods if you can get them for less than full price (or if
> you're
> rich), but don't worry about the "real" exercises
-=-
I'd say look them up at google.com so you can see pictures of them.
They're
both math tools/toys.
If you live near an educational supply store, you could go in and ask to see
theirs. I wouldn't pay full price for Cuisenaire rods, but you might find
some used or like on e-bay. Look at pictures on websites and you might
find
you've seen some before but just didn't know the name.
Sandra
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:27:02 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/2003 11:56:12 AM Mountain Standard Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
-=-Made me think of Christianized Math books. "If Mary had 2 Bibles, and
Mark
gave her 6 more, how many would she have in all?"-=-
Here's one with more doctrinal basis. I wrote it myself, my finest *word
problem*:
Jesus has twelve apostles and a dozen donuts. How many donuts can each
apostle have?
Sandra
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:29:27 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/5/2003 12:21:40 PM Mountain Standard Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
-=-What if you get say, M&M's and everyone
goes nuts for them, then some hard candy, and it sits for a long time, but
you
get something else good again and everyone devours it again? Would it be
best to get lots of different kinds? -=-
Remember when Marge bought Bart a golf video game? He didn't play it much.
If you get candy they don't like, they can have all they want without
touching any but the change still won't have come.<G>
Marty just turned off a video game, as I was writing this. <bwg>
A good one.
Sandra
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:43:32 -0000
From: "Penne & Buddies" <crrbuddy@...>
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Learning Co-ops
--- In [email protected], Message 13200 [Yes, I
did my homework! :o]
Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 6:06 am
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Learning Co-ops
"Cathie _" <cathie_98@h...> wrote:
<snip> Its really easy to find
> fun, interesting things to do without a lot of money or planning.
You can
> throw together great learning activities for young children. When
they get a
> little older, the co-op can do so much more that is difficult to
do without
> more structure.
>
> We have had some wonderful classes that involve speakers and field
experts
> that would be difficult to schedule. We have access to materials
that are
> available to schools, but not always to homeschoolers just because
they will
> reach more children. We have gotten grants to pay for some classes
and
> materials. We have a permanant meeting place so long term
commitments can be
> made. One of my latest thoughts is to try to get appoval to start
drivers ed
> classes at the center-in Ohio the kids have to attend a course
through
> school or a private driving school, so why not have a school
program at the
> center so we don't all have to pay $300 to the local driving
school.
We paid over $200 for an insurance-sponsored, profit-driven "driving
school" in Louisiana -- typical, conventional week's worth of wasted
time. They insisted that our son should be able to drive on the
road after six hours of instruction to some arbitrary standard (with
no other "official" road hours under his belt) -before- issuing a
learner's permit (you know, the one you get so you can learn how to
drive on the road?) and when he "failed" to meet their so-called
standard, they had the legal right (as a for-profit company offering
a state-mandated service) to require us to fork over ex-tra bucks
for ex-tra hours from their ex-pert driving instructor. What a scam!
Next time around -- No driver's ed course required in SC --
autodidacts simply pass the written test, which includes some of the
drug & alcohol awareness info, and receive a learner's permit --
then, proceed to learn to drive on the road under an adult, licensed
driver's supervision (you know, like the old days when your parents
sat by your side and took part in the process as a matter of course -
- white knuckles notwithstanding.) Common sense and a lot of love
kept them in the passenger's seat till they were confident in our
ability to steer clear of trouble. Those were the days, my friend...
Here we are in FL -- mandated Traffic Law & Substance Abuse course,
reasonable priced (under $50) and even available in a convenient
online version. Major problem -- the course content on substance
abuse is highly objectionable (nightmarish to those who have gone
through the trauma of losing loved ones to DUI) and in conflict with
our sincerely-held religious beliefs and educational philosophy.
Have contacted the HSMV and State Representatives for information on
a waiver (for the objectionable part of the course, if not all), but
no go. Our Senator's legislative assistant is still looking into
the matter... maybe. Once we exhausted the obvious legal
alternatives, we decided to check out CompuHigh's offerings and drop
a line to Pat Montgomery at Clonlara. Haven't received a response
in the past few weeks since our first inquiry, so plan to follow-up
in a week or so.
Will have to see if any of the umbrella schools/co-ops here in FL
have tackled this one already -- perhaps it's our turn to take the
wheel and formalize our relationship to the un/homeschooling
community by gearing driver's ed to individual needs.
IMHO, driving should never be tied into grades, attendance, or
anything else as a matter of privilege -- it should be recognized as
a marketable skill, and in some cases, an absolute necessity. We
want all who are able to take the initiative to gain this skill
without compromising their values or welfare in the process.
Advice & suggestions welcome & encouraged! Hasta luego, Amigos...
Vayan con Dios ~
Penne & Buddies
>
> I think it is alot easier for new homeschoolers to find the
support they
> need when you have a co-op like this too. They can jump right in
to a
> thriving community of homeschoolers instead of winging it on their
own.
>
>
> The Center that we use is quite far from us, so we often do not
get to
> participate in many of the activities that interest us. I wish we
could have
> them in every community so that more of the wonderful
opportunities were
> available to every one who want to learn for life. Not just the
hsers or
> even just the kids.
>
> Cathie
>
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:40:14 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
Good point, Laura.
It's not about candy itself, it's about nagging and judgmentalism about
food.
My mom used to keep my cousin from having more than one glass of milk with a
meal. It was hateful. She really wanted more milk, that was all. If she
ate
all her other food she MIGHT be allowed to have more milk. But not without
her feeling nine kinds of unworthy.
People have been so mean to kids for so long that it's like the wallpaper,
like the clouds.
Sandra
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:41:33 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: taking the plunge
In a message dated 11/5/2003 1:38:44 PM Mountain Standard Time,
AimeeL73@... writes:
But, that doesn't happen automatically. Check out some links about
deschooling, I think Sandra has one on her page.
==================
http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
Sandra
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:53:43 -0800
From: Scott Bieser <sbieser@...>
Subject: Re: taking the plunge
>
>arcarpenter@... writes:
> > I'll take any and all words of encouragement. <g>
> >
> > Amy
> >
You're doing the right thing, even if the transition may be difficult.
I'm not sure of your situation but it might be worthwhile, during the last
couple of days at the school, for your son to collect phone numbers and
contact info for his favorite friends there. Unless distance is an issue
there's no reason to cut your son off completely from his school friends.
They can still socialize on weekends, in late afternoons, etc. as the
situation permits.
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:47:48 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Halloween
In a message dated 11/5/2003 2:44:58 PM Mountain Standard Time,
Halo5964@... writes:
Oh, here' s a really hot
topic-once saved always saved???
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hey, I wrote about that.
http://sandradodd.com/theology
Some art is missing. Lambs. Easter lambs. I need to upload some I like
enough to look at, though. I had them linked to something that went away.
Sandra
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:58:53 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 4161
In a message dated 11/5/2003 3:20:26 PM Mountain Standard Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
-=-The author claims that early Christians didn't
consider the Lord to be God, when early Christians most certainly DID
consider Him to be just that.-=-
According to what source? What's the earliest date on epistles?
Nobody has "the originals" of any of that stuff.
-=-It is a scholarly, historian thing. Like, a PhD
thesis or something. 500 pages + -=-
Why do you respect a PhD thesis (dissertation, written by someone with a
master's degree) more than the research done for a novel? I'm not defending
a
particular novel, just pointing out what is an interesting prejudice for an
unschooler to be showing here.
-=-The Puritans tried to rename the days of the week, even. Sunday being
named after the Sun, Monday after the Moon, and so forth. Can't have
THAT.-=-
Hadn't heard that! Do you have a reference?
The other weekdays are names for Norse and Roman gods--at least the Sun and
the Moon are in the Bible! <bwg>
What were the proposed replacement days?
-=-If Hallowe'en is evil, having come from paganism, then we must follow
through on our logic and ban other Christian high holy days. But
today's Christians don't follow through. -=-
We know fundamentalists who won't celebrate anything but Easter, and that
one
is only a Church-going day, no eggs, etc.
What's being discussed here as Christian holidays and pagan holidays is
dealing just with England/English/American stuff. The Catholic church has
been
really good about adapting local custom and giving it a religous overlay.
So
local observances were maintained but given Christian meanings. It happened
in
Rome and Greece, all over Europe. It's still done now. At the Pueblos on
the
northern Rio Grande they have traditional dances which have come to be
associated with Christmas and danced on Christmas eve, with the dancers
starting in
the church (or ending there). Other dances which haven't been attached to
Christian holidays start and end in the kiva.
Sandra
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:04:11 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/2003 3:22:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
Right! Most of the Christian traditions are CHRISTIAN in origin.
That's what the treatise that I mention elsewhere was about. Fact is,
Catholicism was outright rejected, therefore all the feast days had
to be rejected, too...Christmas, Easter, Halloween, All Saint's Day,
all of them...are celebrations of the Lord's life or the Church's
life and not pagan at all.
The 'right' was aimed at something I said, and although I agree with some of
what's in the above, not all is equally true.
For one thing, All Saint's Day has little to nothing to do with Jesus.
Catholicism, yes.
Easter (the word itself) is worth looking up. Any dictionary with
etymologies or a google search for the etymology of "Easter": NOT Christian
origin.
Yes, about celebrating the resurrection.
No on "Easter" being of Christian origin. When they stuck it on that
weekend, they kept the old name (in England--I don't know what they call it
in other
languages).
Sandra
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:23:53 -0000
From: "Joanna Wilkinson" <Wilkinson6@...>
Subject: Re: The DaVinci Code
--- In [email protected], Elizabeth Roberts
<mamabethuscg@y...> wrote:
> Isn't The DaVinci Code a work of fiction?
>
Yes, but a lot of it is based on the book "The Woman with the
Alabaster Jar". Margaret Starbird.
I just finished reading it. She has a lot of really cool theories
about the lost feminine in Christianity (thanks to Catholicism)and
how it was secretly handed down through the ages, through secret
societies, songs, art....
Mary Magdaline being the wife of Jesus.
Joanna
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:05:39 -0800
From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
>
><< I have a feeling that if people try the "full candy bowl" as an
>"experiment " and the kids pick up on the idea that this is just a
>temporary thing- the
>-"eat it now or it will be gone again" process might kick in and no one
will
>have any idea if it is possible for their family -not the parents and
>certainly not the kids. >>
>
>I think that's true of unschooling and of video game playing and such too.
>If the attitude of the parent is bristly suspicious hostility and an honest
>HOPE that their "experiment" fails so that they can be proven "right," it
>won't
>work.
Even if the parents are sincere in trying it, their unconscious attitudes
could easily be picked up by the kids. I don't think they necessarily have
to be suspicious and hostile and hoping that it won't work.
Tia
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:26:57 EST
From: CelticFrau@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/2003 9:06:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
For one thing, All Saint's Day has little to nothing to do with Jesus.
Catholicism, yes.
Easter (the word itself) is worth looking up. Any dictionary with
etymologies or a google search for the etymology of "Easter": NOT Christian
origin. <<
**********************
This is how I have always understood All Souls (Saints) Day. As the
Catholic
Church expanded, they moved into countries that had Pagan celebrations at
various times of the year. As locals (especially peasants) came to accept
the
Church (yes, I'm sure it was forced on many) they began to mesh their own
Pagan
beliefs with Catholic beliefs. Rather than have an all out rebellion, the
Church said, "OK, you celebrate death and the dead this time of year, you
believe
dead souls come back to earth at this time, let's just call it 'All Souls'
(November 1st) and we'll honor all the saints and dead that have come before
us,
pray for them, and ask them to pray for us." Halloween = All Hallow's
(saint's) Eve = Hallow's eve = Hallow 'een. Things Pagan remained on the
night
before, (carved and lighted turnips - pumpkins now), dead coming back to
roam,
etc, etc.
>>Yes, about celebrating the resurrection.
No on "Easter" being of Christian origin. When they stuck it on that
weekend, they kept the old name (in England--I don't know what they call it
in other
languages).<<
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I think Easter came from the name "Ostre" who was a fertility goddess.
Hence, the eggs (fertility), rabbits (fertility), etc. Another case of
pagan and
Christian mixing.
Almost every "Christian" holiday was meshed with pagan beliefs.
Christmas..Christ was not born in the winter, but pagans had a huge
"winterfest" (Yule)
which celebrated the winter equinox (I think?). They burned part of the
yule
log from the year before, they held holly as a sign of eternal life (doesn't
die
in the winter),...I think even mistletoe began as a pagan tradition! Again,
the Church basically said, "OK, keep your festival, but can we instead 'say'
we're celebrating Christ's birth? That'll make it OK."
Heck, even Birthday cakes started as a gift to idols and "gods" originally.
Not sure what a burning cake represented, but it started pagan!
Nancy B. in WV
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:43:39 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4163
In a message dated 11/5/03 9:22:37 PM, jnjstau@... writes:
<< Actually, there are quite a few historians who do believe that the
Christian
festivals are based on the Pagan festivals, >>
When there was a chance to commandeer an existing tradition they did so.
That doesn't mean things like All Saint's Day and All Hallow's Eve aren't
Christian holidays. They are. But if there was an existing tradition, they
got kind
of blended together.
The eggs and bunnies stuff is sometimes used to represent Christian symbols,
when really they're from a whole separate thing originally.
Sandra
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:18:00 -0500
From: "Jon and Rue Kream" <skreams@...>
Subject: kids chat
Did anyone ever set up another kids chat? Dagny's interested. ~Rue
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:55:24 -0800
From: pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
Subject: Re: taking the plunge
On Nov 5, 2003, at 12:53 PM, Scott Bieser wrote:
> I'm not sure of your situation but it might be worthwhile, during the
> last
> couple of days at the school, for your son to collect phone numbers and
> contact info for his favorite friends there.
Get a special calendar and make playdates right away - so he sees that
he won't be cut off. I did this when I pulled my oldest out of 4th
grade - it was very comforting to my social butterfly child.
-pam sorooshian
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 03:13:08 -0600
From: "LeaAnn" <rootdigger@...>
Subject: math manipulatives
http://matti.usu.edu/nlvm/nav/topic_t_1.html
There is an interactive geoboard here along with many other things. My kids
liked the mastermind type thingys. I was sitting here playing wih it and
pretty soon they were all here wanting to do it. There went my computer
time even though they all have their own. It's kinda like sleeping in my
bed, it's more fun on my computer. Probably cause I have a laptop and
they can run me off of the chair! lol.
LeaAnn
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:19:45 -0500
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
on 11/5/03 9:36 AM, TeresaBnNC@... at TeresaBnNC@... wrote:
> Fundamental
> Christians do NOT have any type of "Halloween" celebration. They do NOT
wear
> costumes and give out candy.
Some do.
Every year we had the Halloween debate in the debate folder of the
homeschooling area of AOL. Every year a Christian fundamentalist would ask
what "people" (apparently assuming we were all fundamentalist Christians)
were doing about Halloween. Usually they had been celebrating it but had
been picking up hints that it wasn't a good thing to do. Of course they
didn't just get a fundamentalist viewpoint! So we'd have the Annual
Halloween Debate.
Some fundamentalists were conflicted. Some fundamentalists were passionately
against Halloween -- and we'd have the Annual Witches Worship Satan Debate.
Some fundamentalists didn't see a problem celebrating Halloween, though I
don't remember any fundamentalists who were passionatly supportive of it.
It probably depends on who's drawing the line on who is a fundamentalist or
"true Christian" and who isn't. Probably those passionately against
Halloween would feel those who didn't see a problem with Halloween weren't
"true Christians."
Joyce
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:25:02 -0500
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
on 11/5/03 1:46 PM, CelticFrau@... at CelticFrau@... wrote:
> I haven't told anyone that it is an experiment. I plan to just get a
bunch
> of candy, get a pretty bowl, and keep it on the counter and see what
happens.
Don't forget other snacks too!
I'm not saying you would forget, just pointing out that an important part of
the experiment is choice. One of the appeals of "junk" food is that it's
convenient. It's easier to grab a candy bar or a bag of chips than to make a
sandwich. So when they reach their saturation point, they need other easy to
grab choices.
Joyce
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:25:17 EST
From: tuckervill2@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/2003 12:34:52 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Because a few ignorant
southerners with their ignorant *Christian* prejudices had refused to rent
sites
to the SCA because all they heard or understood of the request was the
"Evil"
part of "mediEVAL."
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If I didn't live here, I would think this was the stuff of urban legends.
The way the powers that be in the SCA responded, though, that kinda ticks me
off.
Tuck
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:37:02 -0500
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
on 11/5/03 2:22 PM, Lillian Haas at lhaas@... wrote:
> I know I react differently because I keep eating even when it doesn't
taste
> good anymore, and when I feel sick.
Me too. I find my will power drops significantly after I have the first
candy bar and I can keep eating even after I don't want any more.
*But* my behavior was worse when I didn't give myself permission to have as
much as I wanted. One year I bought 3 bags of Halloween candy to hand out
and ate them all before Halloween. That's because pretty much the only candy
I had each year was at Halloween. I went through 3 big bags of almond M%Ms
before I stopped craving them everytime I'd see them in the store.
This may not be an experiment you'd be willing to try -- but you can't know
until you do try it! -- but I bet if you bought 5 bags of your favorite
candy and promised yourself that as you ate them you'd replenish your
supply, that you'd pig out for a while -- maybe for many bags -- but then
grow tired of it.
Joyce
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Exactly what I was trying to say in a very, apparently weak, manner. <grin>
Julie S.
Exactly what I was trying to say in a very, apparently weak, manner. <grin>
Julie S.
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1. Re: tracts
From: "Julie" <jlist@...>
2. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: "Stepheny Cappel" <stephc62@...>
3. Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: SandraDodd@...
4. Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: Dnowens@...
5. Re: Re: tracts
From: Dnowens@...
6. Re: tracts
From: Dnowens@...
7. Subject: Cartoon Book Recommendation
From: "Bronwen" <felesina@...>
8. Re: Re: tracts
From: Genant2@...
9. Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: Scott Bieser <sbieser@...>
10. Re: The DaVinci Code
From: Elizabeth Roberts <mamabethuscg@...>
11. Re: tracts
From: TeresaBnNC@...
12. Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: "Pam Hartley" <pamhartley@...>
13. Re: Digest Number 4163
From: "J. Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
14. Re: Digest Number 4163
From: "J. Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
15. Re: The DaVinci Code
From: "Joanna Wilkinson" <Wilkinson6@...>
16. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
17. Re: Re: tracts
From: CelticFrau@...
18. Re: Digest Number 4163
From: SandraDodd@...
19. kids chat
From: "Jon and Rue Kream" <skreams@...>
20. Re: taking the plunge
From: pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
21. math manipulatives
From: "LeaAnn" <rootdigger@...>
22. Re: Re: tracts
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
23. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
24. Re: Re: tracts
From: tuckervill2@...
25. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:31:32 -0500
From: "Julie" <jlist@...>
Subject: Re: tracts
Can I just say what a beautiful gift the link to the Chick tract site was?
My sister is a devout unbeliever and collector of religious memorabilia, and
we both truly enjoyed the horrendous tales of woe and redemption.
If you liked the Chick tracts, you might just love these links to sites
about the Precious Moments Chapel:
http://www.savvytraveler.org/show/features/2000/20000804/badtaste.shtml
http://www.bringdown.com/issue3/precious/precious.html
The second is not for the faint of heart. Enjoy!
Julie
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:08:58 -0500
From: "Stepheny Cappel" <stephc62@...>
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
of course this is correct. They are eating the candy like crazy. But I
plan on buying more to refill the candy bowl, and keep doing it. I know
they are hoarding it because they think it will soon be gone. Same things
happen with popsicles, cake, brownies, cookies, everything. LOL I may go
broke doing this! Stepheny
In a message dated 11/5/03 11:23:06 AM, pennacres@... writes:
<< I have a feeling that if people try the "full candy bowl" as an
"experiment " and the kids pick up on the idea that this is just a
temporary thing- the
-"eat it now or it will be gone again" process might kick in and no one
will
have any idea if it is possible for their family -not the parents and
certainly not the kids. >>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:15:51 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
In a message dated 11/5/2003 5:27:03 PM Mountain Standard Time,
moonwindstarsky@... writes:
how do they go to college, or get a job?
----------------------
They do what they like and get out into the community and volunteer and
eventually are offered or get a lead on a job.
They apply for some beginnig kind of college class at a junior college or
community college and see if they like it, sometimes. After they take a few
classes, they can say "some college" on applications, and if they did okay
on those
clases, they can use that when they apply to college full time.
Sandra
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:43:37 EST
From: Dnowens@...
Subject: Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
In a message dated 11/5/03 06:27:16 PM Central Standard Time,
moonwindstarsky@... writes:
how do they go to college, or get a job?
*************
How does anyone go to college or get a job? Not saying college is or isn't
important, but many many people never went or dropped out. And lots of folks
have jobs. My DH has one, there are a few others here who either have
spouses
that work or they work themselves. Some of the kids have jobs too. Moly has
a
small lawn mowing business; complete with fliers, cards, bills, and
receipts, she
is almost ten. She doesn't go to school or college.
~Nancy
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:47:13 EST
From: Dnowens@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/03 07:27:44 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Jesus has twelve apostles and a dozen donuts. How many donuts can each
apostle have?
Sandra
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I'm sorry but there isn't enough information for me to compute this problem.
Does Jesus have exactly one dozen donuts or does Jesus have a bakers dozen?
It
makes a difference, really. <g>
~Nancy
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:56:11 EST
From: Dnowens@...
Subject: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/03 08:12:16 PM Central Standard Time,
jlist@... writes:
If you liked the Chick tracts, you might just love these links to sites
about the Precious Moments Chapel:
http://www.savvytraveler.org/show/features/2000/20000804/badtaste.shtml
http://www.bringdown.com/issue3/precious/precious.html
The second is not for the faint of heart. Enjoy!
Julie
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
A friend was married there. Kinda scary, all those precious eyes. At least
Christ wasn't portrayed as a Precious Moment! <g>
~Nancy
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:25:11 -0800
From: "Bronwen" <felesina@...>
Subject: Subject: Cartoon Book Recommendation
>>We recently checked a book out of the library called Little Lit that my
son
is loving!
THAnKS!- I just ordered it! I think we will love it!
Bronwen
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:31:10 EST
From: Genant2@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/03 3:23:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, leschke@...
writes:
> Might as
> well put apartments on top, and we can all just live there. Ugh!
>
I saw a segment on some TV show about this. There is a mall, somewhere...I
can't remember, that had apartments on top. LOL. I thought this was funny
but
the people that lived there had there own valid points why it worked for
them. It was a funny concept to think about though.
Pam G
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:17:59 -0800
From: Scott Bieser <sbieser@...>
Subject: Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
At 06:43 PM 11/5/2003, Dnowens@... wrote:
>In a message dated 11/5/03 06:27:16 PM Central Standard Time,
>moonwindstarsky@... writes:
>how do they go to college, or get a job?
>*************
>How does anyone go to college or get a job? Not saying college is or isn't
>important, but many many people never went or dropped out. And lots of
folks
>have jobs. My DH has one, there are a few others here who either have
spouses
>that work or they work themselves. Some of the kids have jobs too. Moly has
a
>small lawn mowing business; complete with fliers, cards, bills, and
>receipts, she
>is almost ten. She doesn't go to school or college.
I have noticed that home-schoolers tend to be more entrepreneurial,
generally, than the general population. Their children will, I think, tend
to be even more oriented towards creating their own businesses than
"getting a job."
But the job market -- and for the most part college as well -- is just as
accessible to home-schooled youngsters as the government-schooled. Nearly
every state offers a "general education degree" type certificate one
obtains by passing written exams, which functions as the equivalent of a
high-school diploma. And increasingly, both employers and colleges are
looking at a lot of things _besides_ a high-school sheepskin to gauge
applicants, as said sheepskins have plummeted in value.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:27:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Elizabeth Roberts <mamabethuscg@...>
Subject: Re: The DaVinci Code
Isn't The DaVinci Code a work of fiction?
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:31:45 EST
From: TeresaBnNC@...
Subject: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/03 9:13:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jlist@... writes:
Can I just say what a beautiful gift the link to the Chick tract site was?
>>>
Glad to help any way I can.. LOL
Teresa
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:17:55 -0000
From: "Pam Hartley" <pamhartley@...>
Subject: Re: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
--- In [email protected],
"moonwindstarsky" <moonwindstarsky@y...> wrote:
> how do they go to college, or get a job?
Like everyone else does -- an application process, or a testing
process, or an interview, or all of the above...
Some don't go to college (just like schooled people) and some
make their own jobs (just like schooled people).
Pam
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:18:40 -0600
From: "J. Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4163
<<I wouldn't rely on the DaVinci Code for historical data>>
Nor would I. I stated that it was fiction and a good starting point if one
is interested in researching this kind of thing. I was raised Christian and
had never even considered some of the things the book brought up, so I
researched them on the internet.
Actually, there are quite a few historians who do believe that the Christian
festivals are based on the Pagan festivals, not just the DaVinci author. In
fact, I watched a documentary on Christianity on the Discovery chanel not
too long ago, within the last year, that went into it in depth. I believe
that it is fairly widely believed that Constantine usurped the Pagan
holidays with the Christian overlay when he decided everyone needed to be
Christian. Of course, I believe that he was Pagan until his deathbed, but
he used Christianity as a ruse to cement his power.
Probably one of those things with competing theories.
Julie S.
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:20:11 -0600
From: "J. Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4163
<<The author claims that early Christians did not consider the Lord to be
God>>
It is my understanding from my Bible school days that Jesus wasn't
considered God by all. The council of Nicea voted on it. Is that not
correct?
Julie S.
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: HMSL2@...
2. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: SandraDodd@...
3. Re: Amy /taking the plunge
From: SandraDodd@...
4. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: Dnowens@...
5. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: SandraDodd@...
6. Halloween
From: Halo5964@...
7. Re: on candy and other limits
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
8. Re: Digest Number 4161
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
9. Re: tracts
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
10. Re: on candy and other limits
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
11. RE: movies
From: "cmkerin" <cmkerin@...>
12. Re: tracts
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
13. how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
From: "moonwindstarsky" <moonwindstarsky@...>
14. homeschooled kids--call for writings
From: SandraDodd@...
15. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: CelticFrau@...
16. Re: math article
From: SandraDodd@...
17. Re: Re: tracts
From: SandraDodd@...
18. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: SandraDodd@...
19. Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Learning Co-ops
From: "Penne & Buddies" <crrbuddy@...>
20. Re: Re: on candy and other limits
From: SandraDodd@...
21. Re: taking the plunge
From: SandraDodd@...
22. Re: taking the plunge
From: Scott Bieser <sbieser@...>
23. Re: Halloween
From: SandraDodd@...
24. Re: Re: Digest Number 4161
From: SandraDodd@...
25. Re: Re: tracts
From: SandraDodd@...
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:26:41 EST
From: HMSL2@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
Lets remember its not just candy. Candy is only part of it.
I know when I was little my step father would freak over the use of A-1
sauce
on his expensive steak or the amount of ketchup used.
In our home my sons big thing was soda. Why? Cuz my husband used to nag him
about how fast he drank it and tell him that when it was gone that was it.
It
wasn't the last time I bought it but my son drank it like it was.
Over several months I pointed out to my husband that he uses a lot creamer,
Pepsi and requires special peanut butter and only Jam plus others. I told
him
that it was fine with me but that it wasn't right if the rest of us use
generic
or are not allowed to purchase special stuff at all. I told him that our son
is home and not limited on the soda amounts. That when he (my husband) was
home on the weekends he often drank a 2 liter a day and that when he is at
work
his breaks are limited so that was the difference.
We now buy 2-2 liters a week for Dustin rather than 1 and as I sit here they
are both unopened and purchased last Thursday.
Laura
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:35:56 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/5/03 11:23:06 AM, pennacres@... writes:
<< I have a feeling that if people try the "full candy bowl" as an
"experiment " and the kids pick up on the idea that this is just a temporary
thing- the
-"eat it now or it will be gone again" process might kick in and no one will
have any idea if it is possible for their family -not the parents and
certainly not the kids. >>
I think that's true of unschooling and of video game playing and such too.
If the attitude of the parent is bristly suspicious hostility and an honest
HOPE that their "experiment" fails so that they can be proven "right," it
won't
work.
Kids who are told "We'll try unschooling for a month or two to see how it
works" will have parents who say "We used to unschool, and my kids never
showed
any burning interest, never started any big projects, and didn't do any
academic work."
A temporary offer of freedom in a life of limits won't be handled calmly and
maturely. It's smarter to treat it with the wild abandon it requires, if
that
door is closing soon.
Sandra
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:54:44 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Amy /taking the plunge
In a message dated 11/5/03 8:25:28 AM, jcurtielectric@... writes:
<< I still tell the school oh yeah he is reading and doing math
just to shut them up - >>
Why are you dealing with a school?
I'd try to get away from that if you can.
Sandra
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:53:50 EST
From: Dnowens@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/5/03 01:21:31 PM Central Standard Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
I also thought about something else. What if you get say, M&M's and
everyone
goes nuts for them, then some hard candy, and it sits for a long time, but
you
get something else good again and everyone devours it again? Would it be
best to get lots of different kinds?
BTW, I went to WAlmart to get leftover Halloween candy and it was ALL
GONE!!!
I'll pick some up at the bulk grocery store instead.
Nancy B. in WV
############
Lets think of this in an economical way. IF you only get candy that no one
likes and it sits there, then what a waste of money, but the experiment
worked.
Right? IF you get candy that everyone likes and they eat it all up, which
they
will, at least for a few days or weeks, then the experiment failed. Right?
Oh
wait! That is only two doors! I choose the third, get candy everyone likes,
they eat it all right off, you keep the bowl filled, they start to realize
their favorite(s) will always be available, gradually the bowl stays full
most of
the time and the experiment works. <g>
~Nancy
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:06:02 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/4/03 9:09:26 PM, pamhartley@... writes:
<<
"If I have candy, I will eat it all at one sitting" is one of those lies
we tell ourselves, and I think goes along the same lines of "he
would watch TV all day if I let him. It's genetics." >>
I have a collection:
http://sandradodd.com/strew/ifilet
It's people's primary defense against freedom and the idea of "strewing."
*But if I let him [whatever] he will [whatever] all day and never stop.*
I'm now collecting actual quotes. I wish I had saved all I ever saw. It's a
phenomenon.
Sandra
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:21:30 EST
From: Halo5964@...
Subject: Halloween
If Hallowe'en is evil, then Christians shouldn't have anything to do
with it at all. No dressing up; no begging for candy; no handing out
candy (or anything else) If it isn't, then why make up some
big "baptized" version of it? sheesh.
I agree; if Christians are going to define Halloween as evil, they shouldn't
have anything to do with it at all. Doing so "compromises" your belief
system, in my opinion. However, so many Christians believe so many
different
things, such as total immersion baptism or sprinkling of water - what about
babies
being baptized? There's a hot topic with Christians. Oh, here' s a really
hot
topic-once saved always saved??? I think God looks at our hearts and the
intent we have when we commit an act. The Bible is too conflicting in its'
statements. You can support each idea by searching through Scriptures and
taking
them out of context-sometimes even in context. I personally don't look at
Halloween as evil. To my family, it is just a fun time to dress up and go
trick-or-treating. And I even let my kids be whatever they want to be,
whether it is
a witch, a demon, a ghost-whatever. For this reason, we don't go to church
fall festivals. If you want to welcome people I don't believe you can put
stipulations on the welcome mat. At least not at church. In my own home,
I'll
decide what parameters I want. As I write that it sounds like a double
standard, but I reason it with "but I'm not God. I'm not all forgiving and
all loving
and all accepting. I'm not willing to die on the cross for the entire
world." Does that make sense, or am I making excuses?
Carol
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:40:53 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: on candy and other limits
Yeah! I have a couple of yogurt recipes/techniques that I want to try
out. I'm researching tightwaddery/simplicity in all areas of life,
and am pretty excited about it all.
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], ejcrewe@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/4/2003 8:01:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
>
>
> > I've seen this with things like yogurt. I buy it once in awhile,
and
> > when I do, it's one or two per person in the family, adn the
stuff
> > simply disappears. It's gone within 24 hours.
>
> If the budget it tight, yogurt is really easy to make and costs
pennies!
> Plus, when you add your own sweeteners, you really know what's
going in it.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:04:21 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4161
I wouldn't rely on The DaVinci Code for historical data. He cites The
Gnostic Gospels with as much veracity as valid historical documents,
when the earliest copies of the Gnostic Gospels are dated in the 4th
century or later. The author claims that early Christians didn't
consider the Lord to be God, when early Christians most certainly DID
consider Him to be just that. I enjoyed reading The DaVinci Code, but
it isn't an historical treatise by anyone's measure, and it really
isn't all that well written.
As for all these Christian holidays coming out of Paganism...
actually, I have read a book that refutes this notion. (and can't
remember the title. It is a scholarly, historian thing. Like, a PhD
thesis or something. 500 pages + ) The Reformers wanted Christians to
make a clean break from R Catholicism; therefore, they stigmatized
various Catholic practices by saying they came from paganism.
According to this essay, archaeological data indicates that many of
these traditions didn't come into practice until after Christianity
got into an area. I'll try and remember specifics. The Yule Log was
one of the "pagan practices" debunked in the book. sheesh. can't
remember, but Christian feast days coming from paganism or not, isn't
my main point.
IF Christian traditions come from paganism, my question just takes on
more weight. Why is Halloween evil (and it IS considered evil by many
Christians. Take my word on that one. One of my best friends won't do
trick or treating, and another one completely ignores the day...) Why
is All Hallow's Eve considered evil, and to be shunned, when
Christmas and Easter are embraced? IF they come from pagan practices,
we should shun all of it. And in fact, the Reformers and their
followers DID. Christmas was illegal in Puritan America. The
book "Robinson Crusoe" was written by the Puritan Daniel Defoe. He
makes a point of ignoring Dec. 25. by having the main character mark
off days on his calendar and pointedly having Dec. 25 be just another
day, nothing special.
The Puritans tried to rename the days of the week, even. Sunday being
named after the Sun, Monday after the Moon, and so forth. Can't have
THAT.
If Hallowe'en is evil, having come from paganism, then we must follow
through on our logic and ban other Christian high holy days. But
today's Christians don't follow through. They just consider
Hallowe'en evil, but only certain parts of it, like trick or
treating. They allow the dressing up and the candy, but ban the trick
or treating...or, just put it in the church basement or parking lot.
And they never think twice about Christmas and Easter or the origin
of any other tradition.
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], "J. Stauffer"
<jnjstau@g...> wrote:
> <<then why make up some big baptized version of it at all?>>
>
> Because thats how all Christian holidays came into being.
Christmas is
> Yule, when the Pagans celebrate the coming of the Sun God, born out
of the
> Mother who was impregnated by the Horned God. Easter is the Pagan
festival
> of fertility, hence all the eggs. All Saints Day or All Hallow's
Day or Day
> of the Dead (depending on your particular flavor of Christianity)
is the
> Pagan Samhain that celebrates the lowering of the veil between this
world
> and the spirit world.
>
> A fictional book that talks about some of this kind of stuff, using
lots of
> actual facts is "The Davinci Code". Good read and will give people
a place
> to start researching if this kind of thing actually interests them.
>
> Julie S.---born again Pagan
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:12:28 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: tracts
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/5/03 7:26:21 AM, bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
>
> << You see, Hallowe'en is an EVIL holiday. Pagan in origin, and
>
> celebratory of death >>
>
> Only that's not true.
> It's Christian in origin, only it's Catholic in origin, and so it
isn't
> "CHRISTIAN" in origin, but then very little is, by the narrowest
definition, except
> for the strident fictional history they live by.
Right! Most of the Christian traditions are CHRISTIAN in origin.
That's what the treatise that I mention elsewhere was about. Fact is,
Catholicism was outright rejected, therefore all the feast days had
to be rejected, too...Christmas, Easter, Halloween, All Saint's Day,
all of them...are celebrations of the Lord's life or the Church's
life and not pagan at all.
I'm sorry to hear about the banning of the word Medieval! and
laughing my head off...sad and funny at the same time. What idiots.
I'm sorry that there are such idiots representing Christianity out in
the world.
HeidiC
>
> Harvest festivals are just about universal, anthropologically
speaking.
> Christians harvested in agrarian societies as much as anyone else.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:14:48 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: on candy and other limits
cool...like, really cool...popsicles...coool, gettit? LOL
actually, who was it said using a word like experiment might throw it
all off...maybe just put out the candy bowl and let it sit there,
every day, always replenished, and always give permission if they
ask, and never say no if they don't ask, and don't make a big deal of
it. That's the ticket!
HeidiC
--- In [email protected], HaHaMommy@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11-4-2003 8:23:44 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
> okay, pam. The challenge is on! I'll pick up a sack of candy
tomorrow
> and set it out...in a bowl...and keep it filled...won't we JUST see.
>
> :)
>
> HeidiC
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Just so ya know, Heidi, I'm in on the experiment too <g> I came
home from the
> grocery store last night and the kids ate 22 of the 24 popsicles I
bought...
> I got the feeling it's because I only buy them at the *big*
shopping trip at
> the beginning of the month. I'm going today to pick up the other
things I
> forgot and I'm going to buy a couple more boxes... <bg>
>
> diana,
> The wackiest widow westriver...
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre
minds. The
> latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly
submit to
> hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
intelligence." ~ Albert
> Einstein
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:33:34 -0500
From: "cmkerin" <cmkerin@...>
Subject: RE: movies
Hi Amy,
Unfaithful was originally a French movie and I've been told that the ending
was much more conclusive.
The beauty of the American version is that we can pretty much decide what we
think they did and debate over it. <g>
I'm not sure that's why the American film makers did that but who knows.
;o)
HTH,
Joyce
ps. I didn't put the French version ending here because maybe some people
don't want to not know.
It'll be much easier to find info. on the movie imo knowing that it's
supposedly a classic French movie originally.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:17:47 -0000
From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
Subject: Re: tracts
why make up some
> big "baptized" version of it? sheesh.
> Made me think of Christianized Math books. "If Mary had 2 Bibles,
and Mark
> gave her 6 more, how many would she have in all?"
>
> Nancy B. in WV
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
did you ever see Christian Mother Goose? oh, gross. I mean, nauseous.
Absolutely disgusting.
Especially considering that Mother Goose came about in a Christian
Culture...most of the old Mother Goose rhymes, and many of the fairy
tales, are saturated in Christian morals and themes.
Blessings, HeidiC
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 00:02:13 -0000
From: "moonwindstarsky" <moonwindstarsky@...>
Subject: how have unschoolers fared after growing up?
how do they go to college, or get a job?
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:25:17 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: homeschooled kids--call for writings
If this announcement is appropriate for your unschooling site, do you have
an
email loop and/or message board that this announcement could be sent to? I’
d
like to give as many homeschoolers as possible a chance to submit their
writing/artwork for publication. I homeschooled our two boys and now live
on the
coast of New Jersey with my husband in an empty nest! I have had an idea for
a
book for years and am finally pulling it all together! The book will be a
beautiful one; I have found nothing similar in my search of books already
published. It will show everyone just how incredibly creative and talented
our
homeschoolers are. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks
very
much. Kate Jennings
Announcement –
My name is Kate Jennings, and I homeschooled our two sons for eight years,
not counting the years from birth to age six! I am compiling
writings
by homeschoolers that will show the world just how talented we are! I am
accepting (very) short stories, essays/paragraphs (creative or instructive),
diary
entries, poems, letters to and from family or friends, etc. Photos and
drawings that tie in with the writing would be great -- really, really
great. The
book will be a showcase of the talents that homeschooled students possess.
Anything written by students would be appropriate, whether it is
descriptive,
instructive or creative. Please keep in mind my plea for accompanying
artwork
-- photos or sketches that relate to the written submission. The
presentation
of the writing in the book is very, very important to me, and accompanying
artwork is very important to the presentation! One of my favorite
submissions
is from a boy whose family built their own home. A photo and a sketch were
included in the submission. This entry will be most effective! Please
email me
at kjennings03@...
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:03:43 EST
From: CelticFrau@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/5/2003 4:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
Yeah! I have a couple of yogurt recipes/techniques that I want to try
out. I'm researching tightwaddery/simplicity in all areas of life,
and am pretty excited about it all.
blessings, HeidiC
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I'd love to know how to make yogurt. We all love it here too!
Nancy B. in WV
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:15:41 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: math article
In a message dated 11/5/2003 3:50:58 AM Mountain Standard Time,
devapriya108@... writes:
-=-Can you explain the 2 things below
and where to get them? I am not familiar with them.
> - two or more matching geoboards and colored rubber bands (you could
> get just
> one, but then you can't copy each other's designs)
> - Cuisenaire rods if you can get them for less than full price (or if
> you're
> rich), but don't worry about the "real" exercises
-=-
I'd say look them up at google.com so you can see pictures of them.
They're
both math tools/toys.
If you live near an educational supply store, you could go in and ask to see
theirs. I wouldn't pay full price for Cuisenaire rods, but you might find
some used or like on e-bay. Look at pictures on websites and you might
find
you've seen some before but just didn't know the name.
Sandra
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:27:02 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/2003 11:56:12 AM Mountain Standard Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
-=-Made me think of Christianized Math books. "If Mary had 2 Bibles, and
Mark
gave her 6 more, how many would she have in all?"-=-
Here's one with more doctrinal basis. I wrote it myself, my finest *word
problem*:
Jesus has twelve apostles and a dozen donuts. How many donuts can each
apostle have?
Sandra
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:29:27 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
In a message dated 11/5/2003 12:21:40 PM Mountain Standard Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
-=-What if you get say, M&M's and everyone
goes nuts for them, then some hard candy, and it sits for a long time, but
you
get something else good again and everyone devours it again? Would it be
best to get lots of different kinds? -=-
Remember when Marge bought Bart a golf video game? He didn't play it much.
If you get candy they don't like, they can have all they want without
touching any but the change still won't have come.<G>
Marty just turned off a video game, as I was writing this. <bwg>
A good one.
Sandra
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:43:32 -0000
From: "Penne & Buddies" <crrbuddy@...>
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Learning Co-ops
--- In [email protected], Message 13200 [Yes, I
did my homework! :o]
Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 6:06 am
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Learning Co-ops
"Cathie _" <cathie_98@h...> wrote:
<snip> Its really easy to find
> fun, interesting things to do without a lot of money or planning.
You can
> throw together great learning activities for young children. When
they get a
> little older, the co-op can do so much more that is difficult to
do without
> more structure.
>
> We have had some wonderful classes that involve speakers and field
experts
> that would be difficult to schedule. We have access to materials
that are
> available to schools, but not always to homeschoolers just because
they will
> reach more children. We have gotten grants to pay for some classes
and
> materials. We have a permanant meeting place so long term
commitments can be
> made. One of my latest thoughts is to try to get appoval to start
drivers ed
> classes at the center-in Ohio the kids have to attend a course
through
> school or a private driving school, so why not have a school
program at the
> center so we don't all have to pay $300 to the local driving
school.
We paid over $200 for an insurance-sponsored, profit-driven "driving
school" in Louisiana -- typical, conventional week's worth of wasted
time. They insisted that our son should be able to drive on the
road after six hours of instruction to some arbitrary standard (with
no other "official" road hours under his belt) -before- issuing a
learner's permit (you know, the one you get so you can learn how to
drive on the road?) and when he "failed" to meet their so-called
standard, they had the legal right (as a for-profit company offering
a state-mandated service) to require us to fork over ex-tra bucks
for ex-tra hours from their ex-pert driving instructor. What a scam!
Next time around -- No driver's ed course required in SC --
autodidacts simply pass the written test, which includes some of the
drug & alcohol awareness info, and receive a learner's permit --
then, proceed to learn to drive on the road under an adult, licensed
driver's supervision (you know, like the old days when your parents
sat by your side and took part in the process as a matter of course -
- white knuckles notwithstanding.) Common sense and a lot of love
kept them in the passenger's seat till they were confident in our
ability to steer clear of trouble. Those were the days, my friend...
Here we are in FL -- mandated Traffic Law & Substance Abuse course,
reasonable priced (under $50) and even available in a convenient
online version. Major problem -- the course content on substance
abuse is highly objectionable (nightmarish to those who have gone
through the trauma of losing loved ones to DUI) and in conflict with
our sincerely-held religious beliefs and educational philosophy.
Have contacted the HSMV and State Representatives for information on
a waiver (for the objectionable part of the course, if not all), but
no go. Our Senator's legislative assistant is still looking into
the matter... maybe. Once we exhausted the obvious legal
alternatives, we decided to check out CompuHigh's offerings and drop
a line to Pat Montgomery at Clonlara. Haven't received a response
in the past few weeks since our first inquiry, so plan to follow-up
in a week or so.
Will have to see if any of the umbrella schools/co-ops here in FL
have tackled this one already -- perhaps it's our turn to take the
wheel and formalize our relationship to the un/homeschooling
community by gearing driver's ed to individual needs.
IMHO, driving should never be tied into grades, attendance, or
anything else as a matter of privilege -- it should be recognized as
a marketable skill, and in some cases, an absolute necessity. We
want all who are able to take the initiative to gain this skill
without compromising their values or welfare in the process.
Advice & suggestions welcome & encouraged! Hasta luego, Amigos...
Vayan con Dios ~
Penne & Buddies
>
> I think it is alot easier for new homeschoolers to find the
support they
> need when you have a co-op like this too. They can jump right in
to a
> thriving community of homeschoolers instead of winging it on their
own.
>
>
> The Center that we use is quite far from us, so we often do not
get to
> participate in many of the activities that interest us. I wish we
could have
> them in every community so that more of the wonderful
opportunities were
> available to every one who want to learn for life. Not just the
hsers or
> even just the kids.
>
> Cathie
>
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:40:14 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
Good point, Laura.
It's not about candy itself, it's about nagging and judgmentalism about
food.
My mom used to keep my cousin from having more than one glass of milk with a
meal. It was hateful. She really wanted more milk, that was all. If she
ate
all her other food she MIGHT be allowed to have more milk. But not without
her feeling nine kinds of unworthy.
People have been so mean to kids for so long that it's like the wallpaper,
like the clouds.
Sandra
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:41:33 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: taking the plunge
In a message dated 11/5/2003 1:38:44 PM Mountain Standard Time,
AimeeL73@... writes:
But, that doesn't happen automatically. Check out some links about
deschooling, I think Sandra has one on her page.
==================
http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
Sandra
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:53:43 -0800
From: Scott Bieser <sbieser@...>
Subject: Re: taking the plunge
>
>arcarpenter@... writes:
> > I'll take any and all words of encouragement. <g>
> >
> > Amy
> >
You're doing the right thing, even if the transition may be difficult.
I'm not sure of your situation but it might be worthwhile, during the last
couple of days at the school, for your son to collect phone numbers and
contact info for his favorite friends there. Unless distance is an issue
there's no reason to cut your son off completely from his school friends.
They can still socialize on weekends, in late afternoons, etc. as the
situation permits.
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:47:48 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Halloween
In a message dated 11/5/2003 2:44:58 PM Mountain Standard Time,
Halo5964@... writes:
Oh, here' s a really hot
topic-once saved always saved???
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hey, I wrote about that.
http://sandradodd.com/theology
Some art is missing. Lambs. Easter lambs. I need to upload some I like
enough to look at, though. I had them linked to something that went away.
Sandra
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:58:53 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 4161
In a message dated 11/5/2003 3:20:26 PM Mountain Standard Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
-=-The author claims that early Christians didn't
consider the Lord to be God, when early Christians most certainly DID
consider Him to be just that.-=-
According to what source? What's the earliest date on epistles?
Nobody has "the originals" of any of that stuff.
-=-It is a scholarly, historian thing. Like, a PhD
thesis or something. 500 pages + -=-
Why do you respect a PhD thesis (dissertation, written by someone with a
master's degree) more than the research done for a novel? I'm not defending
a
particular novel, just pointing out what is an interesting prejudice for an
unschooler to be showing here.
-=-The Puritans tried to rename the days of the week, even. Sunday being
named after the Sun, Monday after the Moon, and so forth. Can't have
THAT.-=-
Hadn't heard that! Do you have a reference?
The other weekdays are names for Norse and Roman gods--at least the Sun and
the Moon are in the Bible! <bwg>
What were the proposed replacement days?
-=-If Hallowe'en is evil, having come from paganism, then we must follow
through on our logic and ban other Christian high holy days. But
today's Christians don't follow through. -=-
We know fundamentalists who won't celebrate anything but Easter, and that
one
is only a Church-going day, no eggs, etc.
What's being discussed here as Christian holidays and pagan holidays is
dealing just with England/English/American stuff. The Catholic church has
been
really good about adapting local custom and giving it a religous overlay.
So
local observances were maintained but given Christian meanings. It happened
in
Rome and Greece, all over Europe. It's still done now. At the Pueblos on
the
northern Rio Grande they have traditional dances which have come to be
associated with Christmas and danced on Christmas eve, with the dancers
starting in
the church (or ending there). Other dances which haven't been attached to
Christian holidays start and end in the kiva.
Sandra
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:04:11 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/2003 3:22:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
Right! Most of the Christian traditions are CHRISTIAN in origin.
That's what the treatise that I mention elsewhere was about. Fact is,
Catholicism was outright rejected, therefore all the feast days had
to be rejected, too...Christmas, Easter, Halloween, All Saint's Day,
all of them...are celebrations of the Lord's life or the Church's
life and not pagan at all.
The 'right' was aimed at something I said, and although I agree with some of
what's in the above, not all is equally true.
For one thing, All Saint's Day has little to nothing to do with Jesus.
Catholicism, yes.
Easter (the word itself) is worth looking up. Any dictionary with
etymologies or a google search for the etymology of "Easter": NOT Christian
origin.
Yes, about celebrating the resurrection.
No on "Easter" being of Christian origin. When they stuck it on that
weekend, they kept the old name (in England--I don't know what they call it
in other
languages).
Sandra
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:23:53 -0000
From: "Joanna Wilkinson" <Wilkinson6@...>
Subject: Re: The DaVinci Code
--- In [email protected], Elizabeth Roberts
<mamabethuscg@y...> wrote:
> Isn't The DaVinci Code a work of fiction?
>
Yes, but a lot of it is based on the book "The Woman with the
Alabaster Jar". Margaret Starbird.
I just finished reading it. She has a lot of really cool theories
about the lost feminine in Christianity (thanks to Catholicism)and
how it was secretly handed down through the ages, through secret
societies, songs, art....
Mary Magdaline being the wife of Jesus.
Joanna
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:05:39 -0800
From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
>
><< I have a feeling that if people try the "full candy bowl" as an
>"experiment " and the kids pick up on the idea that this is just a
>temporary thing- the
>-"eat it now or it will be gone again" process might kick in and no one
will
>have any idea if it is possible for their family -not the parents and
>certainly not the kids. >>
>
>I think that's true of unschooling and of video game playing and such too.
>If the attitude of the parent is bristly suspicious hostility and an honest
>HOPE that their "experiment" fails so that they can be proven "right," it
>won't
>work.
Even if the parents are sincere in trying it, their unconscious attitudes
could easily be picked up by the kids. I don't think they necessarily have
to be suspicious and hostile and hoping that it won't work.
Tia
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:26:57 EST
From: CelticFrau@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/2003 9:06:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
For one thing, All Saint's Day has little to nothing to do with Jesus.
Catholicism, yes.
Easter (the word itself) is worth looking up. Any dictionary with
etymologies or a google search for the etymology of "Easter": NOT Christian
origin. <<
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This is how I have always understood All Souls (Saints) Day. As the
Catholic
Church expanded, they moved into countries that had Pagan celebrations at
various times of the year. As locals (especially peasants) came to accept
the
Church (yes, I'm sure it was forced on many) they began to mesh their own
Pagan
beliefs with Catholic beliefs. Rather than have an all out rebellion, the
Church said, "OK, you celebrate death and the dead this time of year, you
believe
dead souls come back to earth at this time, let's just call it 'All Souls'
(November 1st) and we'll honor all the saints and dead that have come before
us,
pray for them, and ask them to pray for us." Halloween = All Hallow's
(saint's) Eve = Hallow's eve = Hallow 'een. Things Pagan remained on the
night
before, (carved and lighted turnips - pumpkins now), dead coming back to
roam,
etc, etc.
>>Yes, about celebrating the resurrection.
No on "Easter" being of Christian origin. When they stuck it on that
weekend, they kept the old name (in England--I don't know what they call it
in other
languages).<<
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I think Easter came from the name "Ostre" who was a fertility goddess.
Hence, the eggs (fertility), rabbits (fertility), etc. Another case of
pagan and
Christian mixing.
Almost every "Christian" holiday was meshed with pagan beliefs.
Christmas..Christ was not born in the winter, but pagans had a huge
"winterfest" (Yule)
which celebrated the winter equinox (I think?). They burned part of the
yule
log from the year before, they held holly as a sign of eternal life (doesn't
die
in the winter),...I think even mistletoe began as a pagan tradition! Again,
the Church basically said, "OK, keep your festival, but can we instead 'say'
we're celebrating Christ's birth? That'll make it OK."
Heck, even Birthday cakes started as a gift to idols and "gods" originally.
Not sure what a burning cake represented, but it started pagan!
Nancy B. in WV
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:43:39 EST
From: SandraDodd@...
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4163
In a message dated 11/5/03 9:22:37 PM, jnjstau@... writes:
<< Actually, there are quite a few historians who do believe that the
Christian
festivals are based on the Pagan festivals, >>
When there was a chance to commandeer an existing tradition they did so.
That doesn't mean things like All Saint's Day and All Hallow's Eve aren't
Christian holidays. They are. But if there was an existing tradition, they
got kind
of blended together.
The eggs and bunnies stuff is sometimes used to represent Christian symbols,
when really they're from a whole separate thing originally.
Sandra
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:18:00 -0500
From: "Jon and Rue Kream" <skreams@...>
Subject: kids chat
Did anyone ever set up another kids chat? Dagny's interested. ~Rue
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:55:24 -0800
From: pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
Subject: Re: taking the plunge
On Nov 5, 2003, at 12:53 PM, Scott Bieser wrote:
> I'm not sure of your situation but it might be worthwhile, during the
> last
> couple of days at the school, for your son to collect phone numbers and
> contact info for his favorite friends there.
Get a special calendar and make playdates right away - so he sees that
he won't be cut off. I did this when I pulled my oldest out of 4th
grade - it was very comforting to my social butterfly child.
-pam sorooshian
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 03:13:08 -0600
From: "LeaAnn" <rootdigger@...>
Subject: math manipulatives
http://matti.usu.edu/nlvm/nav/topic_t_1.html
There is an interactive geoboard here along with many other things. My kids
liked the mastermind type thingys. I was sitting here playing wih it and
pretty soon they were all here wanting to do it. There went my computer
time even though they all have their own. It's kinda like sleeping in my
bed, it's more fun on my computer. Probably cause I have a laptop and
they can run me off of the chair! lol.
LeaAnn
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:19:45 -0500
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
on 11/5/03 9:36 AM, TeresaBnNC@... at TeresaBnNC@... wrote:
> Fundamental
> Christians do NOT have any type of "Halloween" celebration. They do NOT
wear
> costumes and give out candy.
Some do.
Every year we had the Halloween debate in the debate folder of the
homeschooling area of AOL. Every year a Christian fundamentalist would ask
what "people" (apparently assuming we were all fundamentalist Christians)
were doing about Halloween. Usually they had been celebrating it but had
been picking up hints that it wasn't a good thing to do. Of course they
didn't just get a fundamentalist viewpoint! So we'd have the Annual
Halloween Debate.
Some fundamentalists were conflicted. Some fundamentalists were passionately
against Halloween -- and we'd have the Annual Witches Worship Satan Debate.
Some fundamentalists didn't see a problem celebrating Halloween, though I
don't remember any fundamentalists who were passionatly supportive of it.
It probably depends on who's drawing the line on who is a fundamentalist or
"true Christian" and who isn't. Probably those passionately against
Halloween would feel those who didn't see a problem with Halloween weren't
"true Christians."
Joyce
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:25:02 -0500
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
on 11/5/03 1:46 PM, CelticFrau@... at CelticFrau@... wrote:
> I haven't told anyone that it is an experiment. I plan to just get a
bunch
> of candy, get a pretty bowl, and keep it on the counter and see what
happens.
Don't forget other snacks too!
I'm not saying you would forget, just pointing out that an important part of
the experiment is choice. One of the appeals of "junk" food is that it's
convenient. It's easier to grab a candy bar or a bag of chips than to make a
sandwich. So when they reach their saturation point, they need other easy to
grab choices.
Joyce
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:25:17 EST
From: tuckervill2@...
Subject: Re: Re: tracts
In a message dated 11/5/2003 12:34:52 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Because a few ignorant
southerners with their ignorant *Christian* prejudices had refused to rent
sites
to the SCA because all they heard or understood of the request was the
"Evil"
part of "mediEVAL."
~~~~
If I didn't live here, I would think this was the stuff of urban legends.
The way the powers that be in the SCA responded, though, that kinda ticks me
off.
Tuck
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:37:02 -0500
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
Subject: Re: Re: on candy and other limits
on 11/5/03 2:22 PM, Lillian Haas at lhaas@... wrote:
> I know I react differently because I keep eating even when it doesn't
taste
> good anymore, and when I feel sick.
Me too. I find my will power drops significantly after I have the first
candy bar and I can keep eating even after I don't want any more.
*But* my behavior was worse when I didn't give myself permission to have as
much as I wanted. One year I bought 3 bags of Halloween candy to hand out
and ate them all before Halloween. That's because pretty much the only candy
I had each year was at Halloween. I went through 3 big bags of almond M%Ms
before I stopped craving them everytime I'd see them in the store.
This may not be an experiment you'd be willing to try -- but you can't know
until you do try it! -- but I bet if you bought 5 bags of your favorite
candy and promised yourself that as you ate them you'd replenish your
supply, that you'd pig out for a while -- maybe for many bags -- but then
grow tired of it.
Joyce
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