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This is an older post but reminds me of a discussion we are having on a local
list. I wrote something in reference to some trad HSers being forceful,
punishing for work not done, spanking and that there was another way. (I wasn't
thinking about relaxed HS at all or anyone on our list that had spoken about it)
Since that post two Moms have come back VERY defensively about their "relaxed"
way of HSing. Makes me really want to comment and point out what I said in my
post as it seems that they are responding to my post but not coming out and
saying they do this but dancing around it..

One Mom actually said (no joke) that she let her 9 or 10 yr. old child play
video games for one day and he pooped and peed himself and sat in it all day
then she dragged him out of the room kicking and screaming.. I am still beside
my self on that one. How is this possible one and two how could anyone be
comfortable writing it as an anti-video game defense?

There are maybe 2 or 3 of us on this list of 200 that Unschool what does one
say to this as a minority on a list?

Laura

<<<My question is why are homeschooler more outraged over the conclusion CBS
came to after real cases of abuse, than they are at the kind of
homeschoolers who beat and "discipline" and punish their kids?
On a lot of lists if you were to speak out against hitting kids you'd get
that "judgmental" word thrown at you and the "everyone knows what's best
for their own families" bull pucky routine.

Maybe everyone should get involved in making spanking and time out and
go-to-bed-without-your-dinner illegal.

Deb L


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In a message dated 10/29/03 7:48:20 AM, HMSL2@... writes:

<< One Mom actually said (no joke) that she let her 9 or 10 yr. old child
play
video games for one day and he pooped and peed himself and sat in it all day
then she dragged him out of the room kicking and screaming.. I am still
beside
my self on that one. How is this possible one and two how could anyone be
comfortable writing it as an anti-video game defense? >>

Holly has a friend who still poops and pees himself.
I think it's because any second of his life his mom can blast screaming onto
the scene without a "Hi, how's it going, it's just his name, HIGH PITCHED and
he knows he's in trouble. His brother poops his pants. He's five or six. It
could just be a genetic problem.

But ALL DAY? How could a mother not pay more attention to her child? A
child or adult who is in the care of another and is in pee or poop "all day" is an
indicator of neglect, and that was a stupid example to bring out in public.
Either she's a liar or a bad mom. (Wait. Could be both.)

But if I had a bad mom (wait; I did, most of the time) and I was FINALLY
given an opportunity I had never had and thought I might never have again, I might
not waste one minute of that unusual freedom going to the bathroom.

I have three kids who can play video games all they want. They KNOW they can
play some more if they stop to pee or eat, so they eat when they're hungry
and none of them as had a waking urinary mishap since they were two or three.
(Marty, nighttime, but sleeping, not while playing video games.)

Because they know the rules won't change on them just because they went to
sleep and woke up again, they LIKE going to bed. They like their own beds, and
they like sleeping when they want to.

I'm preaching to the choir, I know, but sometimes it just feels good to let a
stream of thought out.

Sandra