Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: Phyllis Schlafly
Deborah Lewis
***This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn out
queer.***
Damn, Kathryn, you should not do that when people are drinking coffee!!!
Deb, wiping keyboard, changing pants...
queer.***
Damn, Kathryn, you should not do that when people are drinking coffee!!!
Deb, wiping keyboard, changing pants...
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I know you were serious but this is TOO funny. Loved it.
Carol
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Carol
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Shyrley
Deborah Lewis wrote:
I missed the mouse but its ceased to fucntion. I reckin Kathryn should
buy me a new sparkly computer. One of them 3 gig super ones will do....
Shyrley who really should be wthinking about tidying and packing cos she
leaves soon.
>***This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn outYeah, I spat coffee over the monitor *and* keyboard :-)
>queer.***
>
>Damn, Kathryn, you should not do that when people are drinking coffee!!!
>
>Deb, wiping keyboard, changing pants...
>
>
>
I missed the mouse but its ceased to fucntion. I reckin Kathryn should
buy me a new sparkly computer. One of them 3 gig super ones will do....
Shyrley who really should be wthinking about tidying and packing cos she
leaves soon.
Angela McGinn
I think it's another one of those things kids should be left to figure out on their own what they think of it. I remember when I was 15 years old and my great uncle (my grandmother's youngest brother) was moving from California to SC. On his way there, he stopped at our house in Texas and gave us a bunch of his personal belongings. It wasn't until after he left, that our parents officially told us that he was gay, HiV+, and going to live with my grandmother until he died. My brothers and I had already figured out the gay part and decided that was OK with us. I think that if my parents had said something ahead of time to "warn" us or even to tell us what they think of gay people, then our own original opinions would have been severely altered.
Angela McGinn
kids to be judgemental about them surely?
Shyrley
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Angela McGinn
>Homeschoolers do not have to take a course every year in Diversity, theBut as gayness isn't illegal nor are the 'acts' there's no need to teach
>code word for gay rights, as is now mandated K-12 by the California
>State Legislature. Parent educators are free to teach that it is OK to
>be judgmental about illegal and immoral acts.
>This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn out queer.
>Kathryn
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kids to be judgemental about them surely?
Shyrley
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Betsy
**This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn out queer.**
Hi, Kathryn --
I wanted to spin this in a different and still sarcastic direction.
Given how effective school can be in making kids hate poetry and
mathematics, I think a really lengthy sex ed curriculum with lots of
drill and worksheets could actually suppress sexual desire in teenagers.
<eg>
I'm still trying to puzzle out a curriculum that could suppress name
calling.
Betsy
Hi, Kathryn --
I wanted to spin this in a different and still sarcastic direction.
Given how effective school can be in making kids hate poetry and
mathematics, I think a really lengthy sex ed curriculum with lots of
drill and worksheets could actually suppress sexual desire in teenagers.
<eg>
I'm still trying to puzzle out a curriculum that could suppress name
calling.
Betsy
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In a message dated 10/28/03 7:27:27 AM, KathrynJB@... writes:
<< This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn out queer. >>
Yeah. Makes sense. Didn't you go to school, Kathryn?
All my gay friends went to school. Therefore...
Sandra
<< This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn out queer. >>
Yeah. Makes sense. Didn't you go to school, Kathryn?
All my gay friends went to school. Therefore...
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/28/03 8:27:25 AM, shyrley@... writes:
<< But as gayness isn't illegal nor are the 'acts' there's no need to teach
kids to be judgemental about them surely? >>
Only if they want to please God so they can get into heaven.
The deal is this:
Earth is just the train station where you sit by your mom and behave, don't
run around, don't pick your nose, stop begging for food, you're not getting
any, don't kick your feet, I said be quiet, just sit there.
When the train to heaven comes you get on and you're glad, then, that you did
what your mom said.
Those who played under the benches or ate chips or went to the bathroom just
because it was less boring than not, those who looked out the windows and
asked questions, those have to get on the train to eternal torment.
Doing ANYTHING outside of what your Christian community agrees is a good
thing is soul-risking stupidity and doing anything any of them found a Bible verse
to condemn is wilful disobedience to The Will Of God.
They're serious about that.
Sandra
<< But as gayness isn't illegal nor are the 'acts' there's no need to teach
kids to be judgemental about them surely? >>
Only if they want to please God so they can get into heaven.
The deal is this:
Earth is just the train station where you sit by your mom and behave, don't
run around, don't pick your nose, stop begging for food, you're not getting
any, don't kick your feet, I said be quiet, just sit there.
When the train to heaven comes you get on and you're glad, then, that you did
what your mom said.
Those who played under the benches or ate chips or went to the bathroom just
because it was less boring than not, those who looked out the windows and
asked questions, those have to get on the train to eternal torment.
Doing ANYTHING outside of what your Christian community agrees is a good
thing is soul-risking stupidity and doing anything any of them found a Bible verse
to condemn is wilful disobedience to The Will Of God.
They're serious about that.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/28/03 8:51:58 AM, amcginn@... writes:
<< I think that if my parents had said something ahead of time to "warn" us
or even to tell us what they think of gay people, then our own original
opinions would have been severely altered. >>
If they were conservative fundamentalist Christians, they would have no
option but to condemn homosexuality.
Comparing Schlafly's comments to what most of the people on this group think
is a waste. She's not being objective. She's following the
political/religous views of that group.
Sandra
<< I think that if my parents had said something ahead of time to "warn" us
or even to tell us what they think of gay people, then our own original
opinions would have been severely altered. >>
If they were conservative fundamentalist Christians, they would have no
option but to condemn homosexuality.
Comparing Schlafly's comments to what most of the people on this group think
is a waste. She's not being objective. She's following the
political/religous views of that group.
Sandra
Marjorie Kirk
Yesterday I heard the beginning of a news story on NPR about a "preacher" of
some sort who wants to erect a memorial to commemorate the death of Mathew
Shepard and his descent into hell. I was so disgusted. Did anyone else
hear about this?
marjorie
some sort who wants to erect a memorial to commemorate the death of Mathew
Shepard and his descent into hell. I was so disgusted. Did anyone else
hear about this?
marjorie
Deborah Lewis
That's Fred Phelps from the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas.
Google and be horrified.
Deb L
Google and be horrified.
Deb L
Shyrley
Betsy wrote:
with prayer time. Only 5% of Brits now go to church compared with the US
which doesn't allow religion to be taught but has a higher % of
religious people.
Force-feeding religion seems to be the fastest way to put people off and
while I don't want to offend the Chistians on this list, religion in the
UK isa private affair and we don't have Santorum or Scalia to deal with :-)
There must be other things too....
Shyrley
>**This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn out queer.**And religion. British schools have religious assmeblies every morning
>
>Hi, Kathryn --
>
>I wanted to spin this in a different and still sarcastic direction.
>Given how effective school can be in making kids hate poetry and
>mathematics, I think a really lengthy sex ed curriculum with lots of
>drill and worksheets could actually suppress sexual desire in teenagers.
><eg>
>
>I'm still trying to puzzle out a curriculum that could suppress name
>calling.
>
>Betsy
>
>
>
with prayer time. Only 5% of Brits now go to church compared with the US
which doesn't allow religion to be taught but has a higher % of
religious people.
Force-feeding religion seems to be the fastest way to put people off and
while I don't want to offend the Chistians on this list, religion in the
UK isa private affair and we don't have Santorum or Scalia to deal with :-)
There must be other things too....
Shyrley
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/28/03 10:35:10 AM, shyrley@... writes:
<< And religion. British schools have religious assmeblies every morning
with prayer time. Only 5% of Brits now go to church compared with the US
which doesn't allow religion to be taught but has a higher % of
religious people. >>
Yes.
The kind of humor Monty Python makes of church wouldn't be nearly funny here,
but here people aren't forced by school to go to services, pray and sing
hymns. (Well some schools, but parents pay extra for that.)
Interestingly, somone from England quoted my whole long train station
analogy, and added one sarcastic line. I don't think the post will be approved; it's
in the pending file. But if someone in England doesn't believe such
Christianity exists, that's because most of it is in the SE U.S. Not all,
unfortunately. But there it is rampant and they homeschool. And so Phyllis Schafly can
imagine or believe that all homeschoolers are that way.
I hope the post doesn't make it in, because the people on digest would get my
whole train analogy twice, but to the person who thought this was a good
response: "Yup. That sums up all the Christians I ever met. Cos we all know that
they're all the same," please read the group's guidelines about lenghths
of quotes and while you're out there, read some more of Phyllis Schafly and
company. They're the people I was directly discussing, AND I qualified my
statements, AND insulting me won't make them go away. Stabbing me to death on
international live satellite TV and saying "NOW she will shut up about what she
thinks fundamentalist Christians believe" would not make them go away.
Sandra
<< And religion. British schools have religious assmeblies every morning
with prayer time. Only 5% of Brits now go to church compared with the US
which doesn't allow religion to be taught but has a higher % of
religious people. >>
Yes.
The kind of humor Monty Python makes of church wouldn't be nearly funny here,
but here people aren't forced by school to go to services, pray and sing
hymns. (Well some schools, but parents pay extra for that.)
Interestingly, somone from England quoted my whole long train station
analogy, and added one sarcastic line. I don't think the post will be approved; it's
in the pending file. But if someone in England doesn't believe such
Christianity exists, that's because most of it is in the SE U.S. Not all,
unfortunately. But there it is rampant and they homeschool. And so Phyllis Schafly can
imagine or believe that all homeschoolers are that way.
I hope the post doesn't make it in, because the people on digest would get my
whole train analogy twice, but to the person who thought this was a good
response: "Yup. That sums up all the Christians I ever met. Cos we all know that
they're all the same," please read the group's guidelines about lenghths
of quotes and while you're out there, read some more of Phyllis Schafly and
company. They're the people I was directly discussing, AND I qualified my
statements, AND insulting me won't make them go away. Stabbing me to death on
international live satellite TV and saying "NOW she will shut up about what she
thinks fundamentalist Christians believe" would not make them go away.
Sandra
The Scanlons
>don't
>
> Only if they want to please God so they can get into heaven.
>
> The deal is this:
>
> Earth is just the train station where you sit by your mom and behave,
> run around, don't pick your nose, stop begging for food, you're notgetting
> any, don't kick your feet, I said be quiet, just sit there.did
>
> When the train to heaven comes you get on and you're glad, then, that you
> what your mom said.just
>
> Those who played under the benches or ate chips or went to the bathroom
> because it was less boring than not, those who looked out the windows andBible verse
> asked questions, those have to get on the train to eternal torment.
>
> Doing ANYTHING outside of what your Christian community agrees is a good
> thing is soul-risking stupidity and doing anything any of them found a
> to condemn is wilful disobedience to The Will Of God.Yup. That sums up all the Christians I ever met. Cos we all know that
>
> They're serious about that.
>
> Sandra
they're all the same.
Sandy
Tia Leschke
>Sandy, you've been on this list long enough to know that Sandra was *not*
>Yup. That sums up all the Christians I ever met. Cos we all know that
>they're all the same.
talking about all Christians, but a subset of Christians that you seem to
have trouble believing exists. She was clear that she was talking about
that subset.
Tia
Angela McGinn
Comparing Schlafly's comments to what most of the people on this group think
is a waste. She's not being objective. She's following the
political/religous views of that group.
Sandra
*****I suppose it could be a waste. Of what, I'm not sure. Your time? your thoughts? But that's assuming that none of us think like her.
Is it possible for any unschoolers out there to be radical in thought in most ways of their lives except regarding homosexuality? Possibly so. Is it still a waste if their opinions were challenged in their own minds?
Angela McGinn - who admits that she's never heard of Phyllis what's-her-name until now.
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is a waste. She's not being objective. She's following the
political/religous views of that group.
Sandra
*****I suppose it could be a waste. Of what, I'm not sure. Your time? your thoughts? But that's assuming that none of us think like her.
Is it possible for any unschoolers out there to be radical in thought in most ways of their lives except regarding homosexuality? Possibly so. Is it still a waste if their opinions were challenged in their own minds?
Angela McGinn - who admits that she's never heard of Phyllis what's-her-name until now.
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In a message dated 10/28/03 11:41:34 AM, amcginn@... writes:
<< But that's assuming that none of us think like her. >>
People who think like her won't be unschoolers.
She thinks games and discussion are a waste of "math time."
She thinks people can't learn to read without phonics lessons.
If you don't like homosexuality, fine. That has nothing to do with
unschooling directly, but math and reading do.
<< Is it possible for any unschoolers out there to be radical in thought in
most ways of their lives except regarding homosexuality? Possibly so. >>
Probably so, but her article wasn't about homosexuality. It was about
conservative fundamentalist Christianity.
<Angela McGinn - who admits that she's never heard of Phyllis what's-her-name
until now.>>
If you're interested in her writings, they're out there.
You can read them for hours, weeks.
And after that, come back and let us know if you still want to defend her.
But please don't defend things/movements/political activists you're admi
ttedly unfamiliar with.
Sandra
Sandra
<< But that's assuming that none of us think like her. >>
People who think like her won't be unschoolers.
She thinks games and discussion are a waste of "math time."
She thinks people can't learn to read without phonics lessons.
If you don't like homosexuality, fine. That has nothing to do with
unschooling directly, but math and reading do.
<< Is it possible for any unschoolers out there to be radical in thought in
most ways of their lives except regarding homosexuality? Possibly so. >>
Probably so, but her article wasn't about homosexuality. It was about
conservative fundamentalist Christianity.
<Angela McGinn - who admits that she's never heard of Phyllis what's-her-name
until now.>>
If you're interested in her writings, they're out there.
You can read them for hours, weeks.
And after that, come back and let us know if you still want to defend her.
But please don't defend things/movements/political activists you're admi
ttedly unfamiliar with.
Sandra
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/28/03 11:08:13 AM Central Standard Time,
mkirk@... writes:
Yesterday I heard the beginning of a news story on NPR about a "preacher" of
some sort who wants to erect a memorial to commemorate the death of Mathew
Shepard and his descent into hell. I was so disgusted. Did anyone else
hear about this?
marjorie
##########
That would be my good friend (not really) and local pastor/disbarred
lawyer/homophobe. He is such a great and wonderful man, praise his name. He set out a
few years ago to educate the poor uneducated citizens of my little town, on
the dangers of everything and anything not heterosexual. That includes anyone
who is against him. The police department, most of the mayors, the Marine Corps,
most of the Catholic priests, many pastors of other religions, various
citizens... All of them Whoring FAGS Who will burn in HELL! Matthew Shepard got his
just rewards for hitting on those poor unsuspecting cowboys up in Wyoming.
That is just one of the many things Fred has taught us here in Topeka. UGH!
For a while some stupid people tried to ban him from protesting, laws were
passed, he and his gaggle of family/lawyers shot every one of them down.
Although I do think there is something about not protesting within 50 feet of a
church while services are being held. The best thing ole Fred has done is harden
our town against injustices of any kind. People don't even see him anymore. For
a few years people would protest against him, and he even had police escorts
for a time, complete with a bullet proof vest. I think he might still wear that
when he goes out of town, but here in Topeka, no one cares anymore and that
is just so sad. He used to get death threats, he might still, but not from
people here, we just don't care. And to me, that is just as bad as his neon signs
depicting acts of sodomy and all the biblical quotes taken so far out of
context to help him connect god somehow to his lies.
Welcome to the golden city of Topeka; while you are here visit the world
famous Topeka Zoo, tour Ward Mead Park, take in a Scarecrows game, and go gawk at
the famous preacher who stands on street corners making the world safe from
homosexuals for all god fearing folk.
~Nancy~ who really hates to admit where she lives in the same paragraph as
the Phelps
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mkirk@... writes:
Yesterday I heard the beginning of a news story on NPR about a "preacher" of
some sort who wants to erect a memorial to commemorate the death of Mathew
Shepard and his descent into hell. I was so disgusted. Did anyone else
hear about this?
marjorie
##########
That would be my good friend (not really) and local pastor/disbarred
lawyer/homophobe. He is such a great and wonderful man, praise his name. He set out a
few years ago to educate the poor uneducated citizens of my little town, on
the dangers of everything and anything not heterosexual. That includes anyone
who is against him. The police department, most of the mayors, the Marine Corps,
most of the Catholic priests, many pastors of other religions, various
citizens... All of them Whoring FAGS Who will burn in HELL! Matthew Shepard got his
just rewards for hitting on those poor unsuspecting cowboys up in Wyoming.
That is just one of the many things Fred has taught us here in Topeka. UGH!
For a while some stupid people tried to ban him from protesting, laws were
passed, he and his gaggle of family/lawyers shot every one of them down.
Although I do think there is something about not protesting within 50 feet of a
church while services are being held. The best thing ole Fred has done is harden
our town against injustices of any kind. People don't even see him anymore. For
a few years people would protest against him, and he even had police escorts
for a time, complete with a bullet proof vest. I think he might still wear that
when he goes out of town, but here in Topeka, no one cares anymore and that
is just so sad. He used to get death threats, he might still, but not from
people here, we just don't care. And to me, that is just as bad as his neon signs
depicting acts of sodomy and all the biblical quotes taken so far out of
context to help him connect god somehow to his lies.
Welcome to the golden city of Topeka; while you are here visit the world
famous Topeka Zoo, tour Ward Mead Park, take in a Scarecrows game, and go gawk at
the famous preacher who stands on street corners making the world safe from
homosexuals for all god fearing folk.
~Nancy~ who really hates to admit where she lives in the same paragraph as
the Phelps
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catherine aceto
Snork!! Just spat coke all over my keyboard, thank you. LOL.
-Cat
This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn out queer.
Kathryn
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This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn out queer.
Kathryn
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Kelly Lenhart
<< This is why we homeschool. We didn't want the kid to turn out queer. >>
Makes me think of a funny story from my childhood.
In middle school I was in a circle of friends who were kids of the
university teachers, vs being townies. We repeatedly got called "lesbian
pinko commies."
Well, we figured, being commies wasn't that big a deal.
As for being lesbians, if the choice was the townie boys calling us names or
each other.....not a tough choice. It didn't hurt that there was me--curvy
and dark, Tanya--who looked like Daryl Hannah, Barbie--preppy and adorable,
and Joy--think a more ethinic Sarah Jessica Parker. Or the pig farmers son.
Like I said, not a tough choice.
Kelly
(who always did have good taste in women)
Makes me think of a funny story from my childhood.
In middle school I was in a circle of friends who were kids of the
university teachers, vs being townies. We repeatedly got called "lesbian
pinko commies."
Well, we figured, being commies wasn't that big a deal.
As for being lesbians, if the choice was the townie boys calling us names or
each other.....not a tough choice. It didn't hurt that there was me--curvy
and dark, Tanya--who looked like Daryl Hannah, Barbie--preppy and adorable,
and Joy--think a more ethinic Sarah Jessica Parker. Or the pig farmers son.
Like I said, not a tough choice.
Kelly
(who always did have good taste in women)
Angela McGinn
I never defended anything about this lady or what she believes in. I posted a story about my own dealings with homosexuality as a kid and said that kids should just be left to figure out what they think on their own.
Now that I go back and re-read ....you said "Comparing Schlafly's comments to what most of the people on this group think is a waste." I mistakenly read that to mean my story was a "waste" and I did not understand why. And my next post was saying that if there was someone on this list who thought like her and then read what I wrote (or anyone else) and subsequently challenged their own thinking on the subject.....then how was that a "waste"?
I wasn't comparing her comments at all, just sharing a story and my opinion.
From what I did read of hers, I think the lady's a fruitcake.
Angela
Now that I go back and re-read ....you said "Comparing Schlafly's comments to what most of the people on this group think is a waste." I mistakenly read that to mean my story was a "waste" and I did not understand why. And my next post was saying that if there was someone on this list who thought like her and then read what I wrote (or anyone else) and subsequently challenged their own thinking on the subject.....then how was that a "waste"?
I wasn't comparing her comments at all, just sharing a story and my opinion.
From what I did read of hers, I think the lady's a fruitcake.
Angela
----- Original Message -----
From: SandraDodd@...
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: Phyllis Schlafly
In a message dated 10/28/03 11:41:34 AM, amcginn@... writes:
<< But that's assuming that none of us think like her. >>
People who think like her won't be unschoolers.
She thinks games and discussion are a waste of "math time."
She thinks people can't learn to read without phonics lessons.
If you don't like homosexuality, fine. That has nothing to do with
unschooling directly, but math and reading do.
<< Is it possible for any unschoolers out there to be radical in thought in
most ways of their lives except regarding homosexuality? Possibly so. >>
Probably so, but her article wasn't about homosexuality. It was about
conservative fundamentalist Christianity.
<Angela McGinn - who admits that she's never heard of Phyllis what's-her-name
until now.>>
If you're interested in her writings, they're out there.
You can read them for hours, weeks.
And after that, come back and let us know if you still want to defend her.
But please don't defend things/movements/political activists you're admi
ttedly unfamiliar with.
Sandra
Sandra
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