sonyacurti

Sandra,
I am new to the whole homeschool/unschool community and yes I don't
know the whole history of it. I made that comment to merely make a
joke of my own experience that I had in school and I truly didn't
learn anything in school I floated through in a dreamy state and
then woke up when my mother said "it's a big scary world out there
and it will be different for you now that you are graduating" Geez
thanks MOM !!!!!

I don't always read everything and assume that it is truth. I
didn't do that with this article either. What I did get from it is
that there is "A veiw" of a different way to live your life which is
good for the people who are on the other side and feel like there is
but are not exsposed to wonderful people like all of you on this
list. I myself know because I came to this list longing for a
better way of life and living. School is the only thing that you
hear of (it was all I new and sent my son to school) and people are
NOT empowered to take a path of least resistance. I always wanted
to homeschool my son even though I didn't know a thing about it. I
had heard the term and all I new is to me it ment that I would be
with my children which is why I had them. It didn't make sense to me
that people had them and sent them out to baby factories months old
to them give them to public schools for them to continue it just
never rang TRUE with me.

When people ask me about being home or homeschooling I just smile
and tell them "it's a way of life - it's how we live"

We are at all different levels af awarness and on our quest for the
truth we sometimes need to hear articles such as this one. It just
may be the one that hepls people see that they do have choices about
how they raise their children - and IMO they can start living a life
worth living ????

Sonya

Sandra Dodd

-=-We are at all different levels af awarness and on our quest for the
truth we sometimes need to hear articles such as this one. It just
may be the one that hepls people see that they do have choices about
how they raise their children -=-

That sounds good, but an article written by and for fundamentalist
Christians isn't a good article for other kinds of people to promote
to others. They are basically passing a social virus without
realizing it.

And if a new homeschooler reads that and passes it on as if it is
truth, then untruth is being spread unknowingly.

I don't think people should pass it on because it contains information
which is false. It doesn't matter to me if down in there is a good
point.

I promise NEVER to serve any of you ANY lemonade in which a turd is
floating. A little falsehood will mar a load of truth, but that
article is a load of falsehood "supporting" a little truth.

And that "truth"--that learning can happen without a curriculum, and
that saying "We don't go to school" is better than we "school" at
home--is what this list is already about. So let's put the untruth
and propaganda back outside of this list and go on with our normal
business.

Those who are homeschooling for religious and political purposes know
full well there are better lists for them to be on, and this list
doesn't need religious or political propaganda. It doesn't make it
easier for anyone to understand unschool

Stepheny Cappel

When I first started homeschooling, I was told that if they are raised in a Godly home that they would never stray (lie # 1 and # 2 ) there would be no rebellion. There are no promises like that. I know that homeschooling is good and love being with the kids, I know that public school just shuffles them along, but I can say that for the past couple of years we have been just floating along.. because all of a sudden my "obedient son" became rebellious and started straying all over the place. We do have a good relationship now, although he nudges me to do phonics or math with the other kids now. LOL, I told him he unschooled himself through high school and it worked for him. I showed him all that he taught himself and his interests. Whenever he comes up with a good idea he shares it and I tell him " that sounds good and doable" ... I digress... Anyway John Taylor Gatto may be a good place to start and Phyllis Schafley is another good read..
Stepheny


-=-We are at all different levels af awarness and on our quest for the
truth we sometimes need to hear articles such as this one. It just
may be the one that hepls people see that they do have choices about
how they raise their children -=-

That sounds good, but an article written by and for fundamentalist
Christians isn't a good article for other kinds of people to promote
to others. They are basically passing a social virus without
realizing it.

And if a new homeschooler reads that and passes it on as if it is
truth, then untruth is being spread unknowingly.

I don't think people should pass it on because it contains information
which is false. It doesn't matter to me if down in there is a good
point.

I promise NEVER to serve any of you ANY lemonade in which a turd is
floating. A little falsehood will mar a load of truth, but that
article is a load of falsehood "supporting" a little truth.

And that "truth"--that learning can happen without a curriculum, and
that saying "We don't go to school" is better than we "school" at
home--is what this list is already about. So let's put the untruth
and propaganda back outside of this list and go on with our normal
business.

Those who are homeschooling for religious and political purposes know
full well there are better lists for them to be on, and this list
doesn't need religious or political propaganda. It doesn't make it
easier for anyone to understand unschool



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Tia Leschke

> I digress... Anyway John Taylor Gatto may be a good place to start and
> Phyllis Schafley is another good read..

I never thought I'd see those two recommended in the same sentence.
Tia

Stepheny Cappel

Tia, Why is that? Phyllis Schaffley is not for testing and the dumbing down of tests either. Did I say something wrong? Stepheny



> I digress... Anyway John Taylor Gatto may be a good place to start and
> Phyllis Schafley is another good read..

I never thought I'd see those two recommended in the same sentence.
Tia


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Tia Leschke

>Tia, Why is that? Phyllis Schaffley is not for testing and the dumbing
>down of tests either. Did I say something wrong? Stepheny

Oh I have no idea where she stands on homeschooling. I'm thinking of her
beliefs about women. She did do a lot to help defeat the ERA, after all.
Tia

pam sorooshian

Here is some of what Phyllis Schlafly has to say about homeschooling

<http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2002/june02/02-06-05.shtml>

It takes uncommon commitment by parents to undertake a homeschool
regimen, but they soon discover they can do in a couple of hours what
takes all day at regular school. Homeschooling parents can save lots
of time since there are so many courses they don't have to teach.

They don't have to teach multiculturalism, the peculiar notion that
other cultures should be preferred to our own, or teach a course in
Islam, such as is now taught in California schools. Homeschooling
parents are free to teach that their religion and their country are the
best.

Homeschooling parents do not have to teach political correctness, such
as the dogma that all academic subjects must be taught through the
prism of gender and race oppression. They are free to teach that
America is not a land of victims but a country of freedom and
opportunity for all.

Homeschooing parents do not have to teach the androgyny demanded by
radical feminism. They are free to teach boys and girls separately and
differently and let their boys enjoy plenty of recess to work off their
excess energy and avoid giving them Ritalin to make them behave like
girls.

Homeschoolers do not have to take a course every year in Diversity, the
code word for gay rights, as is now mandated K-12 by the California
State Legislature. Parent educators are free to teach that it is OK to
be judgmental about illegal and immoral acts.

Homeschooling parents don't have to teach revisionist history that
deletes mention of Washington, Jefferson and Franklin, as the New
Jersey State Department of Education tried to do, but had to back down
after a parental uproar. Homeschoolers have academic freedom to study
the Founding Fathers and read the writings of the DWEMs (Dead White
European Males) who contributed so much to Western Civilization.

Homeschoolers do not have to study global education that is designed to
promote global interdependence and citizens of the world instead of the
U.S.A. Homeschooling parents do not have to teach Environmental
Education fantasies such as that humans exist to serve the earth
instead of vice versa.

Homeschoolers don't have to study fuzzy math, whole math, new math, new
new math, or rainforest math. They won't waste math time discussing,
coloring, playing games, or telling their parents how good they feel
about incorrect answers.

Homeschooled children will learn to read using authentic phonics as
their first order of business, so they won't have to take remedial
reading after three years of failure. They won't be inflicted with
Whole Language, which fraudulently teaches children to guess at words
from the pictures, skip over difficult words, and substitute any words
that seem to fit the context.

Homeschoolers will save lots of time because they don't have to read
typical middle school assignments of depressing modern fiction by
"nobody" authors writing about drugs, violence, sex, runaway teens,
witchcraft, and other depressing subjects. Homeschoolers can read
books about heroes and stories that build character, courage,
patriotism, and virtue.

Homeschoolers won't have to spend time filling out nosy questionnaires
about sex, drugs and suicide. The public schools are obsessed with
asking students impudent personal questions such as how many times have
you felt depressed and tried to commit suicide.

There are many more worthless courses taught in public schools on which
homeschoolers will not spend their precious time, such as courses in
murder (forensics is the latest fad), suicide, death and dying,
evolution, and self-esteem. Homeschooled students won't have any
problem with self-esteem because their self-esteem will be earned by
achievement in mastering the important truths of history, literature,
math and science.


On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 09:51 AM, Tia Leschke wrote:

>
>> Tia, Why is that? Phyllis Schaffley is not for testing and the
>> dumbing
>> down of tests either. Did I say something wrong? Stepheny
>
> Oh I have no idea where she stands on homeschooling. I'm thinking of
> her
> beliefs about women. She did do a lot to help defeat the ERA, after
> all.
> Tia
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>>>>>Homeschooing parents do not have to teach the androgyny demanded by
radical feminism. They are free to teach boys and girls separately and
differently and let their boys enjoy plenty of recess to work off their
excess energy and avoid giving them Ritalin to make them behave like
girls>>>>>

A homeschooled teen in my neighborhood is now working toward her nursing degree. When younger, this teen was a favorite among neighborhood children as a babysitter and also did pet sitting and had her own dog grooming business. Her mother told me that she is so sorry she encouraged her daughter to have goals beyond becoming a mother and a homemaker. She is now seeing to it that her younger daughter's focus will be on home and family, rather than on career.

Mary Ellen

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Tia Leschke

>
>
>A homeschooled teen in my neighborhood is now working toward her nursing
>degree. When younger, this teen was a favorite among neighborhood
>children as a babysitter and also did pet sitting and had her own dog
>grooming business. Her mother told me that she is so sorry she encouraged
>her daughter to have goals beyond becoming a mother and a homemaker. She
>is now seeing to it that her younger daughter's focus will be on home and
>family, rather than on career.

So I guess the only reason these folks see to educate their girls is so the
girls can then homeschool their children. Sad.
Tia

Tia Leschke

Seems Southern California is copying BC this year. I just heard that some
of our fire-fighters are going down to help. They've had lots of experience
this year.
I'm just wondering about our members down there. Anybody in imminent
danger? A couple of people on my writers list have been evacuated and
others have written about how scary it is.
Tia

Stepheny Cappel

Didn't know that at all. I'll have to look that up. I was only looking at homeschooling, public schooling and testing. Interesting. Maybe I'll change my mind, Stepheny



>Tia, Why is that? Phyllis Schaffley is not for testing and the dumbing
>down of tests either. Did I say something wrong? Stepheny

Oh I have no idea where she stands on homeschooling. I'm thinking of her
beliefs about women. She did do a lot to help defeat the ERA, after all.
Tia



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Stepheny Cappel

Ohhhhh, standing corrected. Very corrected, all that is too old mind stuff. My dd is very much too active to do dishes or cook or any " girl stuff" much like her mom. Stepheny

Here is some of what Phyllis Schlafly has to say about homeschooling

<http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2002/june02/02-06-05.shtml>

It takes uncommon commitment by parents to undertake a homeschool
regimen, but they soon discover they can do in a couple of hours what
takes all day at regular school. Homeschooling parents can save lots
of time since there are so many courses they don't have to teach.

They don't have to teach multiculturalism, the peculiar notion that
other cultures should be preferred to our own, or teach a course in
Islam, such as is now taught in California schools. Homeschooling
parents are free to teach that their religion and their country are the
best.

Homeschooling parents do not have to teach political correctness, such
as the dogma that all academic subjects must be taught through the
prism of gender and race oppression. They are free to teach that
America is not a land of victims but a country of freedom and
opportunity for all.

Homeschooing parents do not have to teach the androgyny demanded by
radical feminism. They are free to teach boys and girls separately and
differently and let their boys enjoy plenty of recess to work off their
excess energy and avoid giving them Ritalin to make them behave like
girls.

Homeschoolers do not have to take a course every year in Diversity, the
code word for gay rights, as is now mandated K-12 by the California
State Legislature. Parent educators are free to teach that it is OK to
be judgmental about illegal and immoral acts.

Homeschooling parents don't have to teach revisionist history that
deletes mention of Washington, Jefferson and Franklin, as the New
Jersey State Department of Education tried to do, but had to back down
after a parental uproar. Homeschoolers have academic freedom to study
the Founding Fathers and read the writings of the DWEMs (Dead White
European Males) who contributed so much to Western Civilization.

Homeschoolers do not have to study global education that is designed to
promote global interdependence and citizens of the world instead of the
U.S.A. Homeschooling parents do not have to teach Environmental
Education fantasies such as that humans exist to serve the earth
instead of vice versa.

Homeschoolers don't have to study fuzzy math, whole math, new math, new
new math, or rainforest math. They won't waste math time discussing,
coloring, playing games, or telling their parents how good they feel
about incorrect answers.

Homeschooled children will learn to read using authentic phonics as
their first order of business, so they won't have to take remedial
reading after three years of failure. They won't be inflicted with
Whole Language, which fraudulently teaches children to guess at words
from the pictures, skip over difficult words, and substitute any words
that seem to fit the context.

Homeschoolers will save lots of time because they don't have to read
typical middle school assignments of depressing modern fiction by
"nobody" authors writing about drugs, violence, sex, runaway teens,
witchcraft, and other depressing subjects. Homeschoolers can read
books about heroes and stories that build character, courage,
patriotism, and virtue.

Homeschoolers won't have to spend time filling out nosy questionnaires
about sex, drugs and suicide. The public schools are obsessed with
asking students impudent personal questions such as how many times have
you felt depressed and tried to commit suicide.

There are many more worthless courses taught in public schools on which
homeschoolers will not spend their precious time, such as courses in
murder (forensics is the latest fad), suicide, death and dying,
evolution, and self-esteem. Homeschooled students won't have any
problem with self-esteem because their self-esteem will be earned by
achievement in mastering the important truths of history, literature,
math and science.


On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 09:51 AM, Tia Leschke wrote:

>
>> Tia, Why is that? Phyllis Schaffley is not for testing and the
>> dumbing
>> down of tests either. Did I say something wrong? Stepheny
>
> Oh I have no idea where she stands on homeschooling. I'm thinking of
> her
> beliefs about women. She did do a lot to help defeat the ERA, after
> all.
> Tia
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pam sorooshian

On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 04:02 PM, Tia Leschke wrote:

> I'm just wondering about our members down there. Anybody in imminent
> danger? A couple of people on my writers list have been evacuated and
> others have written about how scary it is.

We're maybe 30 to 40 miles from the closest of the fires - not in
danger from fire, but just from the horrible air quality which is
starting to get to us.

-pam

Robyn Coburn

<<We're maybe 30 to 40 miles from the closest of the fires - not in
danger from fire, but just from the horrible air quality which is
starting to get to us.>>

We are also about 25-30 miles from the fires, although Jayn's great
great Aunt is in Hemet near one lot of fires. The air quality is awful.
The pool in our complex has floating ash, but that is incomparably
trivial next to the homes and lives that have been lost. It will all
change for us when the Santa Ana wind reverses to the more common
offshore breezes. Thank you for asking.

Robyn Coburn








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Robyn Coburn

<<Homeschoolers don't have to study fuzzy math, whole math, new math,
new
new math, or rainforest math. They won't waste math time discussing,
coloring, playing games, or telling their parents how good they feel
about incorrect answers.>>



Hey Pam, I bet this is just about your favorite part of her polemic. ;)

No math games ???!!!!???!

Robyn Coburn





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Sandra Dodd

-=- They won't waste math time discussing,
coloring, playing games, or telling their parents how good they feel
about incorrect answers.-=-

That is a good one!
Don't waste math time playing games or discussing.

THIS REMINDS ME!

I put a link to Pam Sorooshian's thus-far deposits of math stuff
(warning: it's about games, largely) here:

http://sandradodd.com/math

She has other plans for a final version, but this for-now version is
pretty wonderful!

-=-Homeschooled children will learn to read using authentic phonics as
their first order of business, so they won't have to take remedial
reading after three years of failure.-=-

Oh, retching. Wretched retching wrenching the depths of my... (Well
that's enough phonics humor for now.)

Another thing I can put out for general reading now that the newest
issue of Home Education Magazine is out: the column from last issue,
"Persephonics."

http://sandradodd.com/persephonics

Sandra
--------------------

pam sorooshian

On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 07:56 PM, Robyn Coburn wrote:

> <<Homeschoolers don't have to study fuzzy math, whole math, new math,
> new
> new math, or rainforest math. They won't waste math time discussing,
> coloring, playing games, or telling their parents how good they feel
> about incorrect answers.>>
>
>
>
> Hey Pam, I bet this is just about your favorite part of her polemic. ;)

Math time. As opposed to what OTHER kind of time? Anytime, all time,
time ITSELF is math time. <G>

-pam

Rebecca DeLong

pam sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:

On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 04:02 PM, Tia Leschke wrote:

> I'm just wondering about our members down there. Anybody in imminent
> danger? A couple of people on my writers list have been evacuated and
> others have written about how scary it is.


I'm in San Diego. One fire was about 5 miles North of us, one about 8 miles East, and another was about 15 miles South. We have been stuck inside since Sunday, because of all the smoke and ash. But it seems to be clearing up a little. We didn't loose our power but a lot of my family did. We were also able to stay in our home but again alot of family and friends had to be evacuated. My aunt and uncle almost lost their house Sunday, but they were able to beat the fire back.

It's been really scary, I had to stop watching the news, seeing places that I knew burn was just to much.

~Rebecca




*~*Leave the crowd, look within, and let your dreams soar*~*

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Robyn Coburn

<<I'm in San Diego. One fire was about 5 miles North of us, one about 8
miles East, and another was about 15 miles South. We have been stuck
inside since Sunday, because of all the smoke and ash. But it seems to
be clearing up a little. We didn't loose our power but a lot of my
family did. We were also able to stay in our home but again alot of
family and friends had to be evacuated. My aunt and uncle almost lost
their house Sunday, but they were able to beat the fire back.

It's been really scary, I had to stop watching the news, seeing places
that I knew burn was just to much.

~Rebecca>>>



((((Rebecca))))

You are close. I'm wishing hard for rain and cooler temps.

Robyn Coburn




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Rebecca DeLong

Robyn Coburn <dezigna@...> wrote:

((((Rebecca))))

You are close. I'm wishing hard for rain and cooler temps.

Robyn Coburn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanx Robyn, :)

I keep thinking every time I look out the window that it is going to rain, it's so dark and gloomy out side, the I remember that it's smoke :(

I can see patches of blue today, so hopefully things are getting better. I feel really bad for the boys, being stuck inside, they want to go out and play so much. All the park days have been cancled and we arn't sure if we'll be able to go out for Halloween. We talked about trying to get to one of the two indoor malls in our area so that they were at least out of the apartment, but one is North near a fire and the other is East, near a nother fire.

Sorry about rambling on, but I'm board and this is the first time since Sunday I've been able to turn on the computer.

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