Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] CBS News Report
crystal.pina
-=-Maybe, it is better to say some parents are abusive instead of some
homeschooling parents abusive. It rellly does not matter which group they
fall into because they belong to every group out there. -=-
This was how I felt about the subject. Replace the word "homeschooling"
with "black" or "gay" and now you can see what I felt was wrong with the
program. The American public fears homeschoolers the way they feared (and
still fear) people of other races, creeds, religions or sexual orientations.
It is not ok for a respected news show to feed into that fear by making it
sound like those kids were abused because they were homeschooled, even if it
does happen sometimes. Neighbors will now watch neighbors looking for this
new threat. "Some of my best friends are homeschoolers. I have no problem
with people homeschooling, but do they have to talk about it in public."
Asking for more regulations for Child Protective Services is old news.
People have been there done that. Asking for more regulations for
homeschoolers is something new and exciting. CBS slanted the show and
focused on what would boost their ratings. And it worked. They got a whole
bunch of people who woudn't have normally watched the show to watch it last
night and a lot of those people are planning on watching it tomorrow. They
got probably every homeschooler in America within an earshot of the internet
talking about it. They've been flooded today with emails, letters and phone
calls.
Crystal
homeschooling parents abusive. It rellly does not matter which group they
fall into because they belong to every group out there. -=-
This was how I felt about the subject. Replace the word "homeschooling"
with "black" or "gay" and now you can see what I felt was wrong with the
program. The American public fears homeschoolers the way they feared (and
still fear) people of other races, creeds, religions or sexual orientations.
It is not ok for a respected news show to feed into that fear by making it
sound like those kids were abused because they were homeschooled, even if it
does happen sometimes. Neighbors will now watch neighbors looking for this
new threat. "Some of my best friends are homeschoolers. I have no problem
with people homeschooling, but do they have to talk about it in public."
Asking for more regulations for Child Protective Services is old news.
People have been there done that. Asking for more regulations for
homeschoolers is something new and exciting. CBS slanted the show and
focused on what would boost their ratings. And it worked. They got a whole
bunch of people who woudn't have normally watched the show to watch it last
night and a lot of those people are planning on watching it tomorrow. They
got probably every homeschooler in America within an earshot of the internet
talking about it. They've been flooded today with emails, letters and phone
calls.
Crystal
Deborah Lewis
You know, the Yates children weren't even compulsory school age in Texas
when they were killed. There's no way a school could have saved them if
they weren't there. Yet, they're called "homeschoolers." Deanna
Laney's kids were six and eight.
Donald and Lisa Boss filed the proper reports in Michigan to keep getting
state money for their adoptive children with special needs (even after
they were living in Iowa!) and the state of Michigan never bothered to
check. They registered as homeschooling in Iowa and Timothy was
assessed for eligibility for special needs programs but the education
agency never bothered to meet him. Their one appointment was missed
because his parents killed him and told the agency he'd gone back to
Michigan. Just like that they complied with and wiggled around the laws
of two states, and were supposed to think more laws would have made a
difference to these people?
I'd like to know if the Boss's underwent a background check in Michigan
before they adopted their kids.
The Edgar's were all about religious discipline and other members of
their church were arrested as well.
Also adopted kids, but homeschooling is being questioned instead of the
agencies who passed these poor kids off to monsters, and instead of
insane fundamentalist religious organizations.
From what I read all these families were good Christians but it's too
much to expect a news report to delve into "The Dark Side of Religion."
Deb L
when they were killed. There's no way a school could have saved them if
they weren't there. Yet, they're called "homeschoolers." Deanna
Laney's kids were six and eight.
Donald and Lisa Boss filed the proper reports in Michigan to keep getting
state money for their adoptive children with special needs (even after
they were living in Iowa!) and the state of Michigan never bothered to
check. They registered as homeschooling in Iowa and Timothy was
assessed for eligibility for special needs programs but the education
agency never bothered to meet him. Their one appointment was missed
because his parents killed him and told the agency he'd gone back to
Michigan. Just like that they complied with and wiggled around the laws
of two states, and were supposed to think more laws would have made a
difference to these people?
I'd like to know if the Boss's underwent a background check in Michigan
before they adopted their kids.
The Edgar's were all about religious discipline and other members of
their church were arrested as well.
Also adopted kids, but homeschooling is being questioned instead of the
agencies who passed these poor kids off to monsters, and instead of
insane fundamentalist religious organizations.
From what I read all these families were good Christians but it's too
much to expect a news report to delve into "The Dark Side of Religion."
Deb L
Tia Leschke
>You know, the Yates children weren't even compulsory school age in TexasIs it too much to expect Deb to send this post to evening@...? Or
>when they were killed. There's no way a school could have saved them if
>they weren't there. Yet, they're called "homeschoolers." Deanna
>Laney's kids were six and eight.
>
>Donald and Lisa Boss filed the proper reports in Michigan to keep getting
>state money for their adoptive children with special needs (even after
>they were living in Iowa!) and the state of Michigan never bothered to
>check. They registered as homeschooling in Iowa and Timothy was
>assessed for eligibility for special needs programs but the education
>agency never bothered to meet him. Their one appointment was missed
>because his parents killed him and told the agency he'd gone back to
>Michigan. Just like that they complied with and wiggled around the laws
>of two states, and were supposed to think more laws would have made a
>difference to these people?
>
>I'd like to know if the Boss's underwent a background check in Michigan
>before they adopted their kids.
>
>The Edgar's were all about religious discipline and other members of
>their church were arrested as well.
>Also adopted kids, but homeschooling is being questioned instead of the
>agencies who passed these poor kids off to monsters, and instead of
>insane fundamentalist religious organizations.
>
> From what I read all these families were good Christians but it's too
>much to expect a news report to delve into "The Dark Side of Religion."
has she already? <g>
Good one!
Tia
>Deb L
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Stepheny Cappel
More like they wouldn't stick with homeschooling or they wouldn't get it "right" unless they were doing it for religious reasons..
Stepheny
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"good Christians"?
There are Christian homeschoolers who think nobody would homeschool if God
hadn't "convicted" them.
Sandra
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Stepheny
<< >
> From what I read all these families were good Christians but it's tooAnyone surprised to think there are people who think all homeschoolers are
>much to expect a news report to delve into "The Dark Side of Religion." >>
"good Christians"?
There are Christian homeschoolers who think nobody would homeschool if God
hadn't "convicted" them.
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/15/03 12:25:20 PM, leschke@... writes:
<< >
"good Christians"?
There are Christian homeschoolers who think nobody would homeschool if God
hadn't "convicted" them.
Sandra
<< >
> From what I read all these families were good Christians but it's tooAnyone surprised to think there are people who think all homeschoolers are
>much to expect a news report to delve into "The Dark Side of Religion." >>
"good Christians"?
There are Christian homeschoolers who think nobody would homeschool if God
hadn't "convicted" them.
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/16/03 9:42:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
shyrley@... writes:
Amy
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shyrley@... writes:
> The Scotsman seems to have it in for home ed!And to have it in for parents in general -- ouch!
Amy
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Shyrley
The Scotsman seems to have it in for home ed!
http://www.news.scotsman.com/education.cfm?id=1138682003
Why home may not be the best classroom
HUGH REILLY
IN A survey, 30 per cent of parents said they could educate their children
better than schoolteachers, a figure that should greatly please the
profession. After all, it compares favourably with the 100 per cent of prison
inmates who believe they could have done better than their lawyers. But
teachers must not allow this public vote of confidence to lead to
complacency.
The Scottish Executive is currently inviting feedback on its decision to cave
in to the vociferous home education lobby. The proposed new guidelines
seem to allow scope for a crank to go undetected. More parents may decide
to keep children in the four walls of home.
Parents have been pupils, ergo they are education experts, in much the
same way that telly addicts of medical soaps can self-diagnose all manner
of ailments without recourse to so-called "health professionals". For this
reason, surely it is proper that the Executive hands over educational
responsibility to those mums and dads who believe they could do a better
job than overpaid classroom duds such as yours truly.
To be fair, parents already do a wonderful job when their kids are young.
They encourage literacy skills by reading bedtime stories, albeit abridged
versions as they miss out every other page to ensure the bonding
experience ends in time for the start of EastEnders. Other kids have
numeracy skills developed at a very early age, e.g. when dad walks out of
their life, 2 minus 1 equals single parenthood.
Mater and pater could theoretically teach certain aspects of the curriculum.
I’m certain that some hard-bodied, toned-up pecs parents would be able to
pass on physical fitness techniques but what about the teenagers of the
chocoholic, chain-smoking chumps trudging the shopping malls in search of
the nearest McDonalds? It’s a recipe for an even greater rate of obesity
among the young.
History lends itself to parental involvement and we are blessed in Glasgow
that so many dads apparently live and breathe dates and events. Go to
Govan on match days and see the proud parent with his "1690 No
Surrender" scarf while at Parkhead his counterpart strolls along sporting a
natty "1916 Up The ’Ra" tammy.
Mum could run in-house drama workshops, having gleaned great acting
experience from those occasions when called to the school to account for
her child’s behaviour. Some can do "upset" when the headteacher
sensitively informs them they have given birth to the anti-Christ. It is right
that drama teachers should be made redundant because anyone can act -
check out River City - and there is a close link between the popularity of
drama and levels of academic attainment. It’s not an exact science but
show me a school with a large drama department and I’ll show you a school
with poor SQA results.
There would be far-reaching consequences if almost one-third of mums and
dads decided to home educate their offspring. For one thing, financing
McCrone would be easier as a result of the massive downsizing in schools,
saving pots of cash for council taxpayers - except for those living in local
authorities that are tied into PPP contracts for the next 30 years.
At a stroke, the issue of class size would be eliminated as a consequence
of the mass exodus. Instead of picking up crisp packets and coke cans
from the playground, janitors would be brushing up tumbleweed blown into
ghost schools. Fewer kids means fewer fights, less bullying. Gosh, it might
result in fewer teenage pregnancies given the youngsters would have a
diminished partner pool to choose from. Better still, the number of
exclusions would fall, offering the Executive the opportunity to declare its
social inclusion policy a great success.
The prosaic truth is that sales of Prozac would increase a hundredfold if
parents had to spend more time with their issue. Thankfully, 70 per cent of
adults realise that teachers do a good job most of the time.
http://www.news.scotsman.com/education.cfm?id=1138682003
Why home may not be the best classroom
HUGH REILLY
IN A survey, 30 per cent of parents said they could educate their children
better than schoolteachers, a figure that should greatly please the
profession. After all, it compares favourably with the 100 per cent of prison
inmates who believe they could have done better than their lawyers. But
teachers must not allow this public vote of confidence to lead to
complacency.
The Scottish Executive is currently inviting feedback on its decision to cave
in to the vociferous home education lobby. The proposed new guidelines
seem to allow scope for a crank to go undetected. More parents may decide
to keep children in the four walls of home.
Parents have been pupils, ergo they are education experts, in much the
same way that telly addicts of medical soaps can self-diagnose all manner
of ailments without recourse to so-called "health professionals". For this
reason, surely it is proper that the Executive hands over educational
responsibility to those mums and dads who believe they could do a better
job than overpaid classroom duds such as yours truly.
To be fair, parents already do a wonderful job when their kids are young.
They encourage literacy skills by reading bedtime stories, albeit abridged
versions as they miss out every other page to ensure the bonding
experience ends in time for the start of EastEnders. Other kids have
numeracy skills developed at a very early age, e.g. when dad walks out of
their life, 2 minus 1 equals single parenthood.
Mater and pater could theoretically teach certain aspects of the curriculum.
I’m certain that some hard-bodied, toned-up pecs parents would be able to
pass on physical fitness techniques but what about the teenagers of the
chocoholic, chain-smoking chumps trudging the shopping malls in search of
the nearest McDonalds? It’s a recipe for an even greater rate of obesity
among the young.
History lends itself to parental involvement and we are blessed in Glasgow
that so many dads apparently live and breathe dates and events. Go to
Govan on match days and see the proud parent with his "1690 No
Surrender" scarf while at Parkhead his counterpart strolls along sporting a
natty "1916 Up The ’Ra" tammy.
Mum could run in-house drama workshops, having gleaned great acting
experience from those occasions when called to the school to account for
her child’s behaviour. Some can do "upset" when the headteacher
sensitively informs them they have given birth to the anti-Christ. It is right
that drama teachers should be made redundant because anyone can act -
check out River City - and there is a close link between the popularity of
drama and levels of academic attainment. It’s not an exact science but
show me a school with a large drama department and I’ll show you a school
with poor SQA results.
There would be far-reaching consequences if almost one-third of mums and
dads decided to home educate their offspring. For one thing, financing
McCrone would be easier as a result of the massive downsizing in schools,
saving pots of cash for council taxpayers - except for those living in local
authorities that are tied into PPP contracts for the next 30 years.
At a stroke, the issue of class size would be eliminated as a consequence
of the mass exodus. Instead of picking up crisp packets and coke cans
from the playground, janitors would be brushing up tumbleweed blown into
ghost schools. Fewer kids means fewer fights, less bullying. Gosh, it might
result in fewer teenage pregnancies given the youngsters would have a
diminished partner pool to choose from. Better still, the number of
exclusions would fall, offering the Executive the opportunity to declare its
social inclusion policy a great success.
The prosaic truth is that sales of Prozac would increase a hundredfold if
parents had to spend more time with their issue. Thankfully, 70 per cent of
adults realise that teachers do a good job most of the time.
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/16/03 7:44:45 AM, shyrley@... writes:
<< IN A survey, 30 per cent of parents said they could educate their children
better than schoolteachers, a figure that should greatly please the
profession. After all, it compares favourably with the 100 per cent of prison
inmates who believe they could have done better than their lawyers. >>
So wait.
The 100 percent of prison inmates have reason to believe their lawyers didn't
do so well. Every one of them is in prison!
Maybe the schools are only failing to provide good education for 30% of their
students, and maybe those are the 30% of parents who think they could do
better!
Maybe teachers are NOT smarter than the population at large.
<<Mater and pater could theoretically teach certain aspects of the curriculum.
I’m certain that some hard-bodied, toned-up pecs parents would be able to
pass on physical fitness techniques but what about the teenagers of the
chocoholic, chain-smoking chumps trudging the shopping malls in search of
the nearest McDonalds? It’s a recipe for an even greater rate of obesity
among the young.>>
Spurious is too weak a word for that kind of argument.
Amazing.
And this guy teaches logic and composition?
<<Mum could run in-house drama workshops, having gleaned great acting
experience from those occasions when called to the school to account for
her child’s behaviour. Some can do "upset" when the headteacher
sensitively informs them they have given birth to the anti-Christ. >>
OOOh, THAT will convince some parents that teachers are sensitive and
concerned about their children.
<<It’s not an exact science but
show me a school with a large drama department and I’ll show you a school
with poor SQA results.>>
REALLY.
Not even a vague science.
That's crazy. Drama and music departments seem often to attract the
brightest kids, but maybe doing something REAL (music, drama) detracts from the
attention they pay to more theoretical distant trivia.
<<The prosaic truth is that sales of Prozac would increase a hundredfold if
parents had to spend more time with their issue. Thankfully, 70 per cent of
adults realise that teachers do a good job most of the time.>>
Thanks to schools, parents do NOT "have to" spend more time with their issue.
Only those who WANT to do it, and they end up with less stress.
He'll be embarrassed about his uninformed opinion someday if he lives long
enough.
Sandra
<< IN A survey, 30 per cent of parents said they could educate their children
better than schoolteachers, a figure that should greatly please the
profession. After all, it compares favourably with the 100 per cent of prison
inmates who believe they could have done better than their lawyers. >>
So wait.
The 100 percent of prison inmates have reason to believe their lawyers didn't
do so well. Every one of them is in prison!
Maybe the schools are only failing to provide good education for 30% of their
students, and maybe those are the 30% of parents who think they could do
better!
Maybe teachers are NOT smarter than the population at large.
<<Mater and pater could theoretically teach certain aspects of the curriculum.
I’m certain that some hard-bodied, toned-up pecs parents would be able to
pass on physical fitness techniques but what about the teenagers of the
chocoholic, chain-smoking chumps trudging the shopping malls in search of
the nearest McDonalds? It’s a recipe for an even greater rate of obesity
among the young.>>
Spurious is too weak a word for that kind of argument.
Amazing.
And this guy teaches logic and composition?
<<Mum could run in-house drama workshops, having gleaned great acting
experience from those occasions when called to the school to account for
her child’s behaviour. Some can do "upset" when the headteacher
sensitively informs them they have given birth to the anti-Christ. >>
OOOh, THAT will convince some parents that teachers are sensitive and
concerned about their children.
<<It’s not an exact science but
show me a school with a large drama department and I’ll show you a school
with poor SQA results.>>
REALLY.
Not even a vague science.
That's crazy. Drama and music departments seem often to attract the
brightest kids, but maybe doing something REAL (music, drama) detracts from the
attention they pay to more theoretical distant trivia.
<<The prosaic truth is that sales of Prozac would increase a hundredfold if
parents had to spend more time with their issue. Thankfully, 70 per cent of
adults realise that teachers do a good job most of the time.>>
Thanks to schools, parents do NOT "have to" spend more time with their issue.
Only those who WANT to do it, and they end up with less stress.
He'll be embarrassed about his uninformed opinion someday if he lives long
enough.
Sandra
catherine aceto
That was weird. Is this writer/organization always so ...er...dismissive of
working class parents?
I am assuming the article is serious and not the Scottish version of the
Onion?
-cat
working class parents?
I am assuming the article is serious and not the Scottish version of the
Onion?
-cat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shyrley" <shyrley@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:49 AM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] More Media bashing of Home Education
>
>
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> The Scotsman seems to have it in for home ed!
>
> http://www.news.scotsman.com/education.cfm?id=1138682003
>
catherine aceto
Surfing around their website -- here is another article, equally odd. I've
never seen the Scotsman, does it purport to be news or just editorials?
http://www.news.scotsman.com/education.cfm?id=1138242003
never seen the Scotsman, does it purport to be news or just editorials?
http://www.news.scotsman.com/education.cfm?id=1138242003
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shyrley" <shyrley@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:49 AM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] More Media bashing of Home Education
>
>
>
> The Scotsman seems to have it in for home ed!
>
> http://www.news.scotsman.com/education.cfm?id=1138682003
>
Shyrley
catherine aceto wrote:
Having said that, there have been more n more negative HE articles. I
reckons they are getting scared.....
Shyrley
>That was weird. Is this writer/organization always so ...er...dismissive ofhe's just a moron. Often writes sarcastic nasty stuff.
>working class parents?
>
>I am assuming the article is serious and not the Scottish version of the
>Onion?
>
>-cat
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Having said that, there have been more n more negative HE articles. I
reckons they are getting scared.....
Shyrley
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Betsy
**To be fair, parents already do a wonderful job when their kids are young.
They encourage literacy skills by reading bedtime stories, albeit abridged
versions as they miss out every other page to ensure the bonding
experience ends in time for the start of EastEnders.**
Grrrrr! Arrrgggghhh!
Do Scots teachers have a union that chiefly functions to keep their
workload as light as possible whilst increasing salaries as much as
possible? (That's the key function of the teachers' union in the
states.) If so, then the pot shouldn't be calling the kettle black!
Betsy
They encourage literacy skills by reading bedtime stories, albeit abridged
versions as they miss out every other page to ensure the bonding
experience ends in time for the start of EastEnders.**
Grrrrr! Arrrgggghhh!
Do Scots teachers have a union that chiefly functions to keep their
workload as light as possible whilst increasing salaries as much as
possible? (That's the key function of the teachers' union in the
states.) If so, then the pot shouldn't be calling the kettle black!
Betsy
The Scanlons
.
Gotta reign those wackos in before they become too strong in number and then
you have a *real* media battle on your hands. If they can keep the
homeschooling movement from growing too large over here, they won't have the
problems the US has with them.
Sandy
> Having said that, there have been more n more negative HE articles. IShyrley, I do believe that the UK educrats are learning by watching the US.
> reckons they are getting scared.....
>
> Shyrley
Gotta reign those wackos in before they become too strong in number and then
you have a *real* media battle on your hands. If they can keep the
homeschooling movement from growing too large over here, they won't have the
problems the US has with them.
Sandy
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/16/2003 7:16:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
scanlon36@... writes:
than here. Does anyone know more? JJ
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scanlon36@... writes:
> Having said that, there have been more n more negative HE articles. IIt was my impression that the "movement" already is stronger in the UK
> > reckons they are getting scared.....
> >
> > Shyrley
>
> Shyrley, I do believe that the UK educrats are learning by watching the US.
> Gotta reign those wackos in before they become too strong in number and then
> you have a *real* media battle on your hands. If they can keep the
> homeschooling movement from growing too large over here, they won't have the
> problems the US has with them.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
than here. Does anyone know more? JJ
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Shyrley
jrossedd@... wrote:
follow a curriculum. Thanks to EO and the home-educators who make sure
nothing is whittled away and the local Education Authorities don't
re-interpret the law to their own advantage.
Fingers crossed it stays that way.
Shyrley
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>In a message dated 10/16/2003 7:16:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,It's pretty strong and so far we don't have to test or register or
>scanlon36@... writes:
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>> Having said that, there have been more n more negative HE articles. I
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>>>reckons they are getting scared.....
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>>>Shyrley
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>>Shyrley, I do believe that the UK educrats are learning by watching the US.
>>Gotta reign those wackos in before they become too strong in number and then
>>you have a *real* media battle on your hands. If they can keep the
>>homeschooling movement from growing too large over here, they won't have the
>>problems the US has with them.
>>
>>Sandy
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>
> It was my impression that the "movement" already is stronger in the UK
>than here. Does anyone know more? JJ
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follow a curriculum. Thanks to EO and the home-educators who make sure
nothing is whittled away and the local Education Authorities don't
re-interpret the law to their own advantage.
Fingers crossed it stays that way.
Shyrley
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