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Does anyone here have a child that has been or is interested in photography?
Christopher has decided that he would like to be a photographer of animals
only and not a vet but we don't know where to start. If anyone here can give us
some tips, or like for what kind of companies hire for this, we'd really
appreciate it.


Sort of took us by surprise when he announced this today as he has always
groomed animals and rescued them. We currently have 4 dogs/cats he has helped
rescue with the newest one a baby Beagle. Though he still wants to do this, he
really wants to pursue a career where he would take pictures of animals. He's
thirteen, he'll be 14 in December. Do kids at this age change their mind about
their future career? He's so full of changes lately and while all of them have
been wonderful to see him grow through, I'm having a hard time keeping up!

Thanks!
Kim

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In a message dated 10/8/03 5:31:39 PM, CabinOnTheLedge@... writes:

<< Do kids at this age change their mind about
their future career? >>

Sure. Adults do too.

Instead of saying you're helping him make a career of being an animal
photographer, live today.

Help him take pictures of animals.

THAT he can successfully do this week. And if he likes it and he's good and
he practices he might someday later make a career. But for starters, he need
to just take pictures of animals.

I'd start gathering animal photos. Maybe you can find old calendars and
magazines at thrift stores, and he can start look at what's common and special and
uncommon and wonderful, so he builds on what's already been done and aims for
what really impressed him.

Is he interested in just pets, or in wild animals?

What about sports stuff like polo or rodeo? That's HARD photography.

Magazines or books would have lots of samples.

There are lots of videos of wild animals. Those guys will hide in a blind in
a swamp and wait for days.

Sandra

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In a message dated 10/8/2003 7:31:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CabinOnTheLedge@... writes:

> Does anyone here have a child that has been or is interested in photography

My daughter (just turned 14) has shown serious interest in
photography....borrowing good cameras, reading extensively and taking pictures the past 6
months. For her birthday, we contacted a friend who is a photographer and collects
and sells cameras. We got a old Nikon 35 millimeter in excellent condition
from him and he spent an afternoon with her showing her the basics. He first
became interest in photography
when he was 14 and is a photographer now with the U.S. Customs.

His advice......use 100 speed film....and take pictures extensively. She may
or may not continue with it but is completely immersed in it right now.
After numerous rolls , her last roll had some excellent pictures that she was very
happy. She is having so much fun and I'm taking her to places where she can
photograph to her heart's content.

Brenna would be happy to answer questions and correspond with him via e-mail
if he would like. Maybe she could recommend some books that she has found
helpful.

Gail


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<<Instead of saying you're helping him make a career of being an animal

photographer, live today. Help him take pictures of animals.>>


Christopher came to us and said he wanted to look into making a career out of
it, who he could work for and how to get started. I apologize for not being
clear with my words when I asked how to get started, I meant researching the
topic not taking pictures. He's been taking photographs & videos of animals for
years, it's one of his hobbies and he has enormous amounts of animal pictures,
albums, magazines, books, etc. I think he is looking towards his future and
deciding on his own what he may or may not need for a career. He KNOWS the
people here have great resources <BWG>



<<Is he interested in just pets, or in wild animals?>>



Right now just pets. He's pretty good at it. Who knows tomorrow it could be
alligators. From vet to pet photographer shouldn't surprise me much as he
enjoys anything to do with animals.





<<There are lots of videos of wild animals. Those guys will hide in a blind
in

a swamp and wait for days.>>



LOL, Christopher said no swamps for him! He's done dogs, cats and farm
animals the last couple of years but now he is particularly into birds, chipmunks,
moose, deer and the black bear probably because that is all we've been seeing
in our back yard. He wasn't too crazy about getting to close to some of them so
he said he's sticking with pets or birds, the more calmer.


Kim

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In a message dated 10/9/2003 12:02:26 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
CabinOnTheLedge@... writes:

> -=-LOL, Christopher said no swamps for him! He's done dogs, cats and farm
> animals the last couple of years but now he is particularly into birds,
> chipmunks,
> moose, deer and the black bear probably because that is all we've been
> seeing
> in our back yard. He wasn't too crazy about getting to close to some of them
> so
> he said he's sticking with pets or birds, the more calmer. -=-

I'm too impatient, but my best friend in college and my sister have doing
some really great telephoto-lens stuff of birds in nests and spiders in webs.

Sorry for misunderstanding the original question. Because it came with a
question about whether kids change their minds, I guess I thought you were
worried or hoping he would. <g>

Has he called local portrait photographers and ask who in town is best at
animal portraits? Maybe he could at least go in and look at the albums of
samples and volunteer to help on outdoor shoots or something.

What about dog shows? Do they ever offer opportunities for photos taken
there?

Sandra


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Robyn Coburn

<<Does anyone here have a child that has been or is interested in
photography?
Christopher has decided that he would like to be a photographer of
animals
only and not a vet but we don't know where to start. If anyone here can
give us
some tips, or like for what kind of companies hire for this, we'd really

appreciate it. >>

In addition to what others have mentioned, I would suggest a Digital
camera. Although there are certain art aspects to using film, you can
still get good stuff and practice framing and lighting with digital. It
is much cheaper than film and processing while learning. Always get a CD
of the photos with the developed film, so that he can futz with the
images in the computer much more easily. Jayn is 4 next week; she often
asks for the camera and runs around taking all kinds of photos - some
are even of people and not her own toes. We have kept a few of them
inside our computers. There is a magazine that my DH subscribes to
called PC Photo about digital photography.

<<Do kids at this age change their mind about
their future career?>>

I must have changed my mind about 1000 times. However when I was young I
was very confused. It is ironic that once moving in to the workforce for
the first time, I returned to the arena I had decided on "definitely"
when I was six.

Robyn Coburn



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Robyn Coburn

<<Christopher came to us and said he wanted to look into making a career
out of
it, who he could work for and how to get started. I apologize for not
being
clear with my words when I asked how to get started, I meant researching
the
topic not taking pictures. >>



Oh yes, this puts a whole different spin on it, although I still
recommend subscribing to photog'y mags as a way to hear about job
vacancies and competitions. There are also online competitions.

I wonder if he could apprentice to a local photographer of weddings or
child portraits - as the pet portrait specialist?

The other first step that I would recommend to any and all "creatives"
is to immediately begin putting together your portfolio. Presentation is
very important.

Off the top of my head starting from the place of "People who do stuff
with animals" rather than "people who buy/publish photos" might also be
a second path towards an income. I'm thinking put up a flyer at the vets
or local kennels offering his services to members of the public.
Reputable animal breeders could receive a flyer or give advice, people
showing their animals at shows and county fairs, here comes my bias -
people who train animals for film or tv always need good photos, rescue
centers and pet adoption places, dog groomers (before and after???)

I looked at my Humane Society calendar and all the photos of gorgeous
animals are credited to different photographers with agencies/firms or
their own name as the company. A partial list: Rural Images; FPG
International - Getty Images Inc.; Ron Kimball Photography. It may be
worth writing to people for advice.

Robyn Coburn



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In a message dated 10/9/2003 12:02:26 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
CabinOnTheLedge@... writes:

> -=-LOL, Christopher said no swamps for him! He's done dogs, cats and farm
> animals the last couple of years but now he is particularly into birds,
> chipmunks,
> moose, deer and the black bear probably because that is all we've been
> seeing
> in our back yard. He wasn't too crazy about getting to close to some of
them
> so
> he said he's sticking with pets or birds, the more calmer. -=-

********************************

When photographing animals it helps to get on their level. Avoid the head on
shots, animals tend to reflect the red eye in photographs. It is easier to sit
or lay down and wait for the shot, it looks more natural than trying to pose
a pet or even a wild animal. In the spring, hunt out a nest and put up a
ladder or climb the tree to get slightly above and at a small angle from the nest.
Then you can shoot the eggs, if you are lucky a hatching, and later the babies
at various stages. Some of my best shots of our pets have been when they are
not aware of me. I took some great pictures of Maggie (our Boston) with Jack
while they were napping, and another good set when Maggie was waiting for her
Daddy (Darin) to come home. She waits by the door and if the door is open and
just the screen door is between her and outside she will stand, looking out.
Our geckos are much harder to shoot, but I have a great red light and shoot in
the middle of the night when they are more active.
Just my observations.

~Nancy

Everyone has talent. What is rare is the courage to follow the talent to the
dark place where it leads.
Erica Jong


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In a message dated 10/9/03 01:42:35 AM Central Daylight Time,
dezigna@... writes:
Oh yes, this puts a whole different spin on it, although I still
recommend subscribing to photog'y mags as a way to hear about job
vacancies and competitions. There are also online competitions.
###############

Sometimes magazines that are geared toward a particular state have
photography contests. I'm thinking of one that our family subscribes to, Alaska. I'm
sure there are others. I know Parade has a photograph contest and I'm sure there
are others, just can't think of them off the top of my head.

~Nancy

Everyone has talent. What is rare is the courage to follow the talent to the
dark place where it leads.
Erica Jong


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Tia Leschke

>
>
>Has he called local portrait photographers and ask who in town is best at
>animal portraits? Maybe he could at least go in and look at the albums of
>samples and volunteer to help on outdoor shoots or something.
>
>What about dog shows? Do they ever offer opportunities for photos taken
>there?


Those are good ideas. I'll bet pet shows just might. And if one already
has a photographer, another one might not. I know there are people who set
up at ball tournaments and such and offer photos to participants. There's
a good chance pet shows would be the same.
Tia

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<<I'm too impatient, but my best friend in college and my sister have
doing some really great telephoto-lens stuff of birds in nests and
spiders in webs.>>



That's cool. Christopher read this last night and today he went
spider hunting. It was easier than he thought it would be as it's
heavily wooded here and he found all types of spiders. He came back
and got his books and camera and was off again identifying them and
taking pictures. He bought some back with him but I told him that
seeing the pictures would be good enough! <g>



<<Sorry for misunderstanding the original question. Because it came
with a question about whether kids change their minds, I guess I
thought you were worried or hoping he would. <g>>>


You know me, I have a way with words <not really>. I just wanted to
know if it was something typical for this age or if it has
something to do with the fact that we are unschooling and that our
family has changed. It's been sort of hard to keep up with him lately
although it has been very heart warming to see him grow like this.
I'm having a feeling that he never really wanted to be a vet. I think
he's finally wanting to be who he wants to be instead of what WE
really hoped he be. I hope you know what I'm trying to say.



<<Has he called local portrait photographers and ask who in town is
best at animal portraits? Maybe he could at least go in and look at
the albums of samples and volunteer to help on outdoor shoots or
something. What about dog shows?>>


Excellent ideas, thank-you!

Kim

homeschool4good

<<There is a magazine that my DH subscribes to called PC Photo about
digital photography.>>


Robyn, where can we get that magazine? I looked for it but I can't
find it here. Also, thank-you for the tips, sorry I didn't respond
earlier, something must be wrong with my e-mail because I didn't
receive any responses but when I came to the list, I saw yours and
others.


Kim

homeschool4good

<<I would recommend to any and all "creatives"is to immediately begin
putting together your portfolio. Presentation is very important.>>



So, he could take the best photos from the many photo albums he has
now and put in his portfolio right?



<<I'm thinking put up a flyer at the vets or local kennels offering
his services to members of the public. Reputable animal breeders
could receive a flyer or give advice, people showing their animals at
shows and county fairs>>



What a great idea, Christopher loved this! He just this moment read
this and he is in his room working on a flyer. Looks like it's going
to be a long night!


Kim

homeschool4good

<<When photographing animals it helps to get on their level. Avoid
the head on shots, animals tend to reflect the red eye in
photographs.>>


Good tip. Christopher was wondering how to get rid of the red eye.



<<Some of my best shots of our pets have been when they are not aware
of me.>>



That's hard for Christopher, he's not very quiet <g>



<<Our geckos are much harder to shoot, but I have a great red light
and shoot in the middle of the night when they are more active.>>


Christopher has some wonderful pictures of his geckos. He has one
that "plays dead" and the picture is so funny. He said he may submit
it to the most funniest animals or something like that.

Thanks for the tips (from Christopher and us too)

Kim

Robyn Coburn

<<Robyn, where can we get that magazine? I looked for it but I can't
find it here. Also, thank-you for the tips, sorry I didn't respond
earlier, something must be wrong with my e-mail because I didn't
receive any responses but when I came to the list, I saw yours and
others. >>



From the inside cover of the latest issue:

www.pcphotomag.com <http://www.pcphotomag.com/>



Werner Publishing Corp

12121 Wilshire Blve, Ste 1200

Los Angeles, CA 90025-1176

800-537-4619



Robyn Coburn



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Robyn Coburn

<<So, he could take the best photos from the many photo albums he has
now and put in his portfolio right? >>



The portfolios that I have looked at are mostly for theater or film,
however here is what I do know.

The presentation of the actual holder is important. If you go to a good
art store like Aaron Brothers, as against a craft supplier like
Michaels, you will probably find a selection of very beautiful leather
bound portfolios with acid free black paper, and often acid free acrylic
sleeves, possibly with a zip closure - that helps to keep dust out of
the portfolio. His photos ideally should be 8x10 one to a page. Start
with the best ones, because sometimes the interviewer will only glance
at the first few shots. Have a photo to leave with the interviewer, or a
photo postcard with all information. On the back of the photo include
contact information and resume info as it increases, or a list of
satisfied customers and references. It is ok to group photos by type
with a title page before the photos. Eg: Animal Portraits, Insects,
Environments, Humor - gosh I don't know. It is perfectly allowable, in
fact a good idea, to change the order of your photos depending on who
you are showing them to. For this reason look at clip ring binders as
the page fastening, or ease of sliding pages in and out. Sometimes
people have the kind of folio that converts to a little easel. I don't
know which is better. Personally I like getting closer to the image I am
looking at, but that is just me.

All these expenses are tax deductible as soon as he starts earning money
from it, or seeking to earn money from it, as jobsearch expenses. Also
any special clothing if he going out into the wild, printing expenses,
software used for creating photos or flyers, a portion of the cost of
computer hardware, mailing expenses, quite aside from his actual
photographic equipment. Also tax deductible: chemicals and paper. If he
ends up with a room set aside as a dark room, a commensurate portion of
his rent, mortgage, utility bills etc will be deductible.

Robyn Coburn









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The Scanlons

Kim,
We had a foggy morning her a few weeks ago and the spider WEBS were
absolutely gorgeous. And you never knew how many there were until the fog
made them all so silvery!!! We didn't realize it until we had already left
the house and we didn't have time to go back for the camera. The kids have
been waiting for another misty morning so we can take some pictures.

Sandy

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<<We had a foggy morning her a few weeks ago and the spider WEBS were

absolutely gorgeous. And you never knew how many there were until the fog

made them all so silvery!!! We didn't realize it until we had already left

the house and we didn't have time to go back for the camera. The kids have

been waiting for another misty morning so we can take some pictures.>>


Sandy,

Usually it is pretty foggy around here being at such high elevation in the
mountains and we never noticed that. Christopher is ready with camera in hand
now. Hope your kids get those cool pictures too!

Kim